Author Topic: best half bridge ic for high power SMPS  (Read 488 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline HerschelTopic starter

  • Regular Contributor
  • *
  • Posts: 70
  • Country: in
best half bridge ic for high power SMPS
« on: December 31, 2024, 06:05:46 pm »
So i have decided to make a 5.1 Home audio system which could output 1000watts. So for the the powersupply I decided to make a half bridge SMPS powersupply using sg3525. But the problem is, the IC creates high frequency switching noises at the output and seems to be pretty slow at feedback responding.
Is it a good idea to go with TL494's ? I do have a led strip driver powersupply with TL494 and It dose'nt seems to create any noise.
Are there any better IC's other than TL494 and SG3525 which has much lower output noice level and a good builtin feedback circuit, or should i continue with TL494 ?
 

Offline jmelson

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 2850
  • Country: us
Re: best half bridge ic for high power SMPS
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2024, 06:57:44 pm »
The noise from the driver IC will be microscopic compared to the noise from a 1000 W power supply.  It may be possible to put the supply in a separate, shielded box and place RC filtering at the output.  But, using a switching power supply in audio equipment is going to be a bit difficult.
Jon
 

Offline janoc

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 3921
  • Country: de
Re: best half bridge ic for high power SMPS
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2024, 11:36:42 pm »
Given that it is for 1kW output that supply would need to provide probably 2x as much if not more, depending on how efficient (or not) that amplifier is.

Building a 1kW amp as a beginner with limited experience (judging from where it has been posted) is probably not the smartest idea, IMO. 
 

Offline HerschelTopic starter

  • Regular Contributor
  • *
  • Posts: 70
  • Country: in
Re: best half bridge ic for high power SMPS
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2025, 01:45:35 am »
The noise from the driver IC will be microscopic compared to the noise from a 1000 W power supply.  It may be possible to put the supply in a separate, shielded box and place RC filtering at the output.  But, using a switching power supply in audio equipment is going to be a bit difficult.
Jon

for the amplifier, the powersupply, poweramplifier and the preamp with equilizer are in seperate metal boxes (like a rack type music system). I have already tested my amplifier at its full power and it did fine
the only problem is the noise from the audio output of the amplifier when not playing a music.
I did try changing the sg3525 with IR2153, the noise at the output reduced a bit, but it was a different noise
later found out it was due to the sg3525 switching noise
 

Offline HerschelTopic starter

  • Regular Contributor
  • *
  • Posts: 70
  • Country: in
Re: best half bridge ic for high power SMPS
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2025, 01:49:23 am »
Given that it is for 1kW output that supply would need to provide probably 2x as much if not more, depending on how efficient (or not) that amplifier is.

Building a 1kW amp as a beginner with limited experience (judging from where it has been posted) is probably not the smartest idea, IMO.

the powersupply i made was able to produce nearly 1500watts. but the noise at the output of speakers was the only problem...
also I'm not sure where to post this topic...
 

Offline HerschelTopic starter

  • Regular Contributor
  • *
  • Posts: 70
  • Country: in
Re: best half bridge ic for high power SMPS
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2025, 08:45:43 am »
Is this transformer noise caused by PWM burst or pulse skipping? also the inductor values i used are pretty high more than the 20uH inductors used here

This from an another article https://www.diysmps.com/forums/index.php?threads/sg3525-ir2110-50khz-900w-smps-question.708/

also a small modification in feed back circuit is said to do the job...
 

Online MathWizard

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 1741
  • Country: ca
Re: best half bridge ic for high power SMPS
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2025, 09:08:17 am »
It's no big deal, but this would probably go in the Project's/Design's/Technical page
 

Offline HerschelTopic starter

  • Regular Contributor
  • *
  • Posts: 70
  • Country: in
Re: best half bridge ic for high power SMPS
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2025, 07:27:23 am »
I think, I might have solved the issue

A) transformer making a high frequency sound affecting the output audio:
      output inductors where meant to be 20 uH but I used one of 30 uH (calculated with coil 32 as i don't have a meter to measure inductance)
B) transformer making a ticking sound while operation and may gets reduced under loads (you can hear this in the speaker outputs):
      replaced the 4n25 optocoupler with PC817
C) PowerAmp output gets clipped under high volumes:
      snubber circuit should be used before the SMPS tranformer input after the mosfets and after the output inductors (20uH). I forgot to use them :palm:
      (this problem not only happens with base, but also with the mid frequencies)

Also make sure the transformer frequency is not too high.(the tranformer core will be the one that gets warm instead of the windings reducing its effiency)

 BUT, why did replacing the 4n25 optocoupler with PC817 soved the issue :o ?
« Last Edit: January 04, 2025, 07:30:46 am by Herschel »
 

Offline Andy Chee

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 1375
  • Country: au
Re: best half bridge ic for high power SMPS
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2025, 08:15:58 pm »
I think, I might have solved the issue

 BUT, why did replacing the 4n25 optocoupler with PC817 soved the issue :o ?
Optocouplers have a specification called CTR Current Transfer Ratio. This spec has a significant impact on control loops.

Unfortunately CTR can vary a lot. In order to deal with it, you need to;

a) make your design tolerance wider, and/or
b) measure the CTR and select a device with adequate spec
 


Share me

Digg  Facebook  SlashDot  Delicious  Technorati  Twitter  Google  Yahoo
Smf