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Can I pay someone $500 to measure frequencies
« on: July 20, 2022, 01:55:55 am »
Hi there,

I'm willing to pay $500 to somebody who has the equipment and skill set to measure frequencies. I have wireless chip inside me that broadcasts signal to my friend who can read the frequency on computer.

I'm willing to pay so we can find and measure the signal that is getting broadcast from inside me. I'm hoping to isolate all other surrounding frequencies and have the person zero in on this particular frequency.

Let me know. I'm willing to travel anywhere. 

Thanks,
Brandon
 

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Re: Can I pay someone $500 to measure frequencies
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2022, 02:11:43 am »
I have wireless chip inside me that broadcasts signal to my friend who can read the frequency on computer.

No you don't. Don't waste your money.

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Re: Can I pay someone $500 to measure frequencies
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2022, 03:05:40 am »
I'm willing to pay so we can find and measure the signal that is getting broadcast from inside me. I'm hoping to isolate all other surrounding frequencies and have the person zero in on this particular frequency.
Let me know. I'm willing to travel anywhere. 

I recommend you pay a good psychologist.
 
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Re: Can I pay someone $500 to measure frequencies
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2022, 03:45:32 am »
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Re: Can I pay someone $500 to measure frequencies
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2022, 04:13:19 am »
I have wireless chip inside me that broadcasts signal to my friend who can read the frequency on computer.

Your friend had installed hidden cameras throughout your living space.  :-DD

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« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2022, 04:45:24 am »
Have you seen his other thread? https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/hanheld-frequency-analyzer-question/msg4306027/#msg4306027

He digested something, but apparently does not know what and now he needs to find out what it was. A sane person would go to hospital and have a doctor look at it. An insane person should do the same, but needs a different kind of doctor :o

Or he needs a kcoo kcoo counter :-DD

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Re: Can I pay someone $500 to measure frequencies
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2022, 06:32:13 am »
I have wireless chip inside me that broadcasts signal to my friend who can read the frequency on computer.
First of all, you use the term 'frequency' in a way that indicates you don't have a particularly good grasp of electromagnetic radiation.  You happen to use it in the same way that people who come to this forum to look for emotional support to their pet theories, which can only be responded sanely with ridicule.  This forum is a rare one dedicated to rational discussion between engineers and scientists and likeminded hobbyists, so you can hopefully understand why the reaction to someone wanting everyone to please them and drop all logic and rationality, is reacted to so strongly.

I am taking a risk, and assuming that this is not the case with you, and is just an unfortunate communications issue.



First of all, basically everything radiates electromagnetic waves all the time; just see the electromagnetic spectrum.  Frequency determines the type of the radiation, as well as what kind of reactions the radiation can have with matter.  Intensity is the amount of radiation, and to be useful for communications, it has to be high/strong enough to not be absorbed by intervening matter.

You can exclude ionizing radiation by going through an airport security check.  If you do trip it, you'll go through a wringer, because ionizing radiation will damage your tissues and is basically deadly; you'll probably be treated as a potential terrorist, and afterwards have to go through chelation in a hospital (a process of trying to remove the radiation source from your body, especially from your blood flow).  Every time you have an x-ray taken, you do get a dose of it; and similarly when you go for a long flight (where the plane flies at altitudes above 30,000 feet or so).  So ionizing radiation of various kinds (frequencies) exists in nature, but is not intense enough to worry about, our bodies have evolved to deal with it.  Russians do like to use polonium (a rare metal that emits ionizing radiation) to kill people in a signature way, though.

(Strictly speaking, not all ionizing radiation is electromagnetic radiation.  There is also alpha radiation consisting of helium nuclei; beta radiation consisting of electrons; neutron radiation consisting of neutrons; and cosmic rays, which can be either high-energy photons (electromagnetic radiation) or some more exotic high-energy particles.  Still, anything like this inside your body intense/strong enough to be measurable above the background noise is Bad News; and definitely would need recognizable exotic detectors to be detected, something off a physics laboratory or hospital radiation ward.)

If it was visible light, you'd be able to see it.  If it was infrared or ultraviolet light, it'd cook your tissues.

Infrared is absorbed by tissue (and naturally converts to heat), so those are out.  Frequencies below 10 MHz or so are absorbed by the atmosphere, and would require a very long antenna anyway.

This leaves a frequency range of between 10 MHz and 300 GHz or so.  To be usable for communications, there has to be a carrier signal at some specific frequency band.  (It would be a single frequency only if it was AM modulated, but that's a terribly inefficient way.)  To be inside something that can be digested, the antenna elements cannot be too long (although they don't need to be straight, somewhat reducing their size), so the most likely range is between 1 GHz and 10 GHz.

We can take a look at frequencies used in RF id tags.  So, to simplify matters a bit, we can probably safely say that you might have ingested some kind of RF ID tag or active transmitter.

(The dust spec-sized terahertz band ID tags demonstrated by MIT, TFID, has almost no range, because atmosphere itself absorbs that frequency quite well.)

Note that not all transmitters need to be active (with their own battery): the same antenna can be used to receive power, and there are even backscatter techniques where nothing is transmitted by the device itself, as its antenna just modulates the received radiation.



So, this simplifies the problem of how can one find a hidden, unknown type RFID tag.  Most RFID detectors are dedicated for a specific type (a specific frequency range), so those are out.  Security services do have sensitive wide-band EM detectors to look for surveillance devices, so something like that would be my bet.

Although some describe me as the paranoid type, I know nothing about these, but a quick online search finds shops dedicated for this kind of "spy tech", with typical ranges being 1 MHz to 8 GHz (8000 MHz), for a fraction of the sum you offered –– but of course I have no idea whether they actually do what they advertise.  I do believe private investigators use some of this stuff on behalf of their clients, so that is an approach that might help.

To eliminate external sources, you want to do the measurement inside a Faraday cage.  The easiest way to achieve that with minimal resources is, uh, kitchen alu foil.  No, not a hat: just make a large cardboard or paper box (with e.g. wooden supports), and paper over it with the alu foil.  The foil is conductive (although the very surface layer contains an oxide that is nonconductive), and "blocks" most frequencies of the electromagnetic spectrum.  (There are limitations because the foil is so thin.)  Even a chicken wire cage works at longer wavelengths.  The rebar and meshes in concrete work in a similar way, and is the reason one often has bad reception in large buildings, unless they have repeaters inside.



I also cannot help but point out that it is rather common today for us humans to have problems that generate symptoms like belief in allergies related to electromagnetic radiation or electricity, paranoia and other similar fears, because we simply haven't evolved to live in the situations we live in and with the utterly overwhelming communications methods we're constantly bombarded with.

I cannot stress how important it is to react to those symptoms –– and indeed treat them as symptoms of an underlying problem, instead of as a separate, purely physical problem –– and get help.  I personally recommend therapy, and consider it as something that is intended not to remove a problem, but to make you strong and resilient enough to deal with it.  So, to me, a therapist is not someone spouting psychological mumbo-jumbo, but a personal trainer that just happens to be specialised on the mind instead of the body.  The difference to physical therapy after an injury or illness is neglible, in my opinion.

I myself have burned out repeatedly, and because I did not seek help to fix the underlying problem, I now suffer from recurring depression, and am completely unable to deal with stress.  I used to thrive under pressure, now I just collapse like a deflated balloon.  Things used to be even worse –– much, much worse –– just a few years ago; mental training (in my case, via cognitive-behavioural psychotherapy) has really helped me build myself back together.  But, because I let things completely crash, a decade after my last burnout, I still have a long way to go before I can fully take advantage of my existing skills, and can only hobble along, verbose Uncle Bumblefuck fashion.

Now, if I can be this direct and honest with somebody who statistically is likely to be a troll or attention-seeker, whoever is reading this post is surely capable of considering themselves and their own ailments in the same fashion.  The particular problem at hand might be psychological, psychosocial (being manipulated by the "friend" into believing things that are not real), or physical (having ingested a real RF ID transmitter or similar gadget).  It is important to consider all three, and not exclude one just because you believe.  This is the cost, definition, and benefit, of being rational.
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Re: Can I pay someone $500 to measure frequencies
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2022, 06:35:27 am »
Subscribing to this one  :popcorn:
 
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Re: Can I pay someone $500 to measure frequencies
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2022, 06:39:58 am »
Subscribing to this one  :popcorn:
You meanie.

But yeah, I did take a few minutes to decide whether to try this –– attempt to help either way, and just assume this is not attention/support-seeking behaviour ––, and am rather curious about the end results.  Hopefully, it won't blow back up in my face, but hey, life is a gamble.  I am a Help Helper (Apustaja) at heart, after all.
 
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Re: Can I pay someone $500 to measure frequencies
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2022, 06:48:09 am »
I have wireless chip inside me that broadcasts signal to my friend who can read the frequency on computer.

First of all, you use the term 'frequency' in a way that indicates you don't have a particularly good grasp of electromagnetic radiation.  You happen to use it in the same way that people who come to this forum to look for emotional support to their pet theories, which can only be responded sanely with ridicule.  This forum is a rare one dedicated to rational discussion between engineers and scientists and likeminded hobbyists, so you can hopefully understand why the reaction to someone wanting everyone to please them and drop all logic and rationality, is reacted to so strongly.

I am taking a risk, and assuming that this is not the case with you, and is just an unfortunate communications issue.



First of all, basically everything radiates electromagnetic waves all the time; just see the electromagnetic spectrum.  Frequency determines the type of the radiation, as well as what kind of reactions the radiation can have with matter.  Intensity is the amount of radiation, and to be useful for communications, it has to be high/strong enough to not be absorbed by intervening matter.

You can exclude ionizing radiation by going through an airport security check.  If you do trip it, you'll go through a wringer, because ionizing radiation will damage your tissues and is basically deadly; you'll probably be treated as a potential terrorist, and afterwards have to go through chelation in a hospital (a process of trying to remove the radiation source from your body, especially from your blood flow).  Every time you have an x-ray taken, you do get a dose of it; and similarly when you go for a long flight (where the plane flies at altitudes above 30,000 feet or so).  So ionizing radiation of various kinds (frequencies) exists in nature, but is not intense enough to worry about, our bodies have evolved to deal with it.  Russians do like to use polonium (a rare metal that emits ionizing radiation) to kill people in a signature way, though.

(Strictly speaking, not all ionizing radiation is electromagnetic radiation.  There is also alpha radiation consisting of helium nuclei; beta radiation consisting of electrons; neutron radiation consisting of neutrons; and cosmic rays, which can be either high-energy photons (electromagnetic radiation) or some more exotic high-energy particles.  Still, anything like this inside your body intense/strong enough to be measurable above the background noise is Bad News; and definitely would need recognizable exotic detectors to be detected, something off a physics laboratory or hospital radiation ward.)

If it was visible light, you'd be able to see it.  If it was infrared or ultraviolet light, it'd cook your tissues.

Infrared is absorbed by tissue (and naturally converts to heat), so those are out.  Frequencies below 10 MHz or so are absorbed by the atmosphere, and would require a very long antenna anyway.

This leaves a frequency range of between 10 MHz and 300 GHz or so.  To be usable for communications, there has to be a carrier signal at some specific frequency band.  (It would be a single frequency only if it was AM modulated, but that's a terribly inefficient way.)  To be inside something that can be digested, the antenna elements cannot be too long (although they don't need to be straight, somewhat reducing their size), so the most likely range is between 1 GHz and 10 GHz.

We can take a look at frequencies used in RF id tags.  So, to simplify matters a bit, we can probably safely say that you might have ingested some kind of RF ID tag or active transmitter.

(The dust spec-sized terahertz band ID tags demonstrated by MIT, TFID, has almost no range, because atmosphere itself absorbs that frequency quite well.)

Note that not all transmitters need to be active (with their own battery): the same antenna can be used to receive power, and there are even backscatter techniques where nothing is transmitted by the device itself, as its antenna just modulates the received radiation.



So, this simplifies the problem of how can one find a hidden, unknown type RFID tag.  Most RFID detectors are dedicated for a specific type (a specific frequency range), so those are out.  Security services do have sensitive wide-band EM detectors to look for surveillance devices, so something like that would be my bet.

Although some describe me as the paranoid type, I know nothing about these, but a quick online search finds shops dedicated for this kind of "spy tech", with typical ranges being 1 MHz to 8 GHz (8000 MHz), for a fraction of the sum you offered –– but of course I have no idea whether they actually do what they advertise.  I do believe private investigators use some of this stuff on behalf of their clients, so that is an approach that might help.

To eliminate external sources, you want to do the measurement inside a Faraday cage.  The easiest way to achieve that with minimal resources is, uh, kitchen alu foil.  No, not a hat: just make a large cardboard or paper box (with e.g. wooden supports), and paper over it with the alu foil.  The foil is conductive (although the very surface layer contains an oxide that is nonconductive), and "blocks" most frequencies of the electromagnetic spectrum.  (There are limitations because the foil is so thin.)  Even a chicken wire cage works at longer wavelengths.  The rebar and meshes in concrete work in a similar way, and is the reason one often has bad reception in large buildings, unless they have repeaters inside.



I also cannot help but point out that it is rather common today for us humans to have problems that generate symptoms like belief in allergies related to electromagnetic radiation or electricity, paranoia and other similar fears, because we simply haven't evolved to live in the situations we live in and with the utterly overwhelming communications methods we're constantly bombarded with.

I cannot stress how important it is to react to those symptoms –– and indeed treat them as symptoms of an underlying problem, instead of as a separate, purely physical problem –– and get help.  I personally recommend therapy, and consider it as something that is intended not to remove a problem, but to make you strong and resilient enough to deal with it.  So, to me, a therapist is not someone spouting psychological mumbo-jumbo, but a personal trainer that just happens to be specialised on the mind instead of the body.  The difference to physical therapy after an injury or illness is neglible, in my opinion.

I myself have burned out repeatedly, and because I did not seek help to fix the underlying problem, I now suffer from recurring depression, and am completely unable to deal with stress.  I used to thrive under pressure, now I just collapse like a deflated balloon.  Things used to be even worse –– much, much worse –– just a few years ago; mental training (in my case, via cognitive-behavioural psychotherapy) has really helped me build myself back together.  But, because I let things completely crash, a decade after my last burnout, I still have a long way to go before I can fully take advantage of my existing skills, and can only hobble along, verbose Uncle Bumblefuck fashion.

Now, if I can be this direct and honest with somebody who statistically is likely to be a troll or attention-seeker, whoever is reading this post is surely capable of considering themselves and their own ailments in the same fashion.  The particular problem at hand might be psychological, psychosocial (being manipulated by the "friend" into believing things that are not real), or physical (having ingested a real RF ID transmitter or similar gadget).  It is important to consider all three, and not exclude one just because you believe.  This is the cost, definition, and benefit, of being rational.


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Re: Can I pay someone $500 to measure frequencies
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2022, 06:56:07 am »
He digested something, but apparently does not know what and now he needs to find out what it was.

Hurry up!! Or this interesting science project might just go down the toilet...  ::)
 

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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2022, 07:09:21 am »
He digested something, but apparently does not know what and now he needs to find out what it was.
Hurry up!! Or this interesting science project might just go down the toilet...  ::)

Good point! Best to capture all poop for close analysis.
 
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« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2022, 07:26:32 am »
He digested something, but apparently does not know what and now he needs to find out what it was.
Hurry up!! Or this interesting science project might just go down the toilet...  ::)

Good point! Best to capture all poop for close analysis.

Ugh don't go there. I had to clean someone's house out once who did that. There were about 200 bottles of piss I had to empty out. Similarly focused individual. Very paranoid, very into alternative theories for everything.
 

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« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2022, 07:30:07 am »
Hi there,

I'm willing to pay $500 to somebody who has the equipment and skill set to measure frequencies. I have wireless chip inside me that broadcasts signal to my friend who can read the frequency on computer.

I'm willing to pay so we can find and measure the signal that is getting broadcast from inside me. I'm hoping to isolate all other surrounding frequencies and have the person zero in on this particular frequency.

Let me know. I'm willing to travel anywhere. 

Thanks,
Brandon
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« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2022, 07:31:28 am »
I think there are some people in Noida, Uttar Pradesh, that will help you out if you send them a $500 Visa Gift card, but I don't have their VOIP phone number anymore since they keep changing it.
 

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« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2022, 07:51:54 am »
I digested something that emits a frequency

Source of quote:  https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/hanheld-frequency-analyzer-question/

If you digested such a thing, it would usually pass out of the body, naturally, and into a toilet.

It would usually very rapidly run out of electrical power, and stop working.  As it would have a tiny battery, hence only a tiny amount of electricity available from it, and data/other transmissions, usually need a fair wack of electricity.

I suspect your 'friend' who told you this (if I have understood things correctly, from a quick skim through), is either mistaken or trying to fool you, a bit like a magic trick.

Alternatively get your mental health checked out.

Also, why would anyone bother doing this, assuming you are a relatively normal person?
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« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2022, 07:53:03 am »
Ingested = eaten, inhaled, snorted
Digested = converted to its useful constituent parts in the digestive system

(Edit: Ninja'd by MK14!)

Nordic Semiconductor does have 10×4×1mm BLE modules, which would well fit inside one of the larger glass capsules used for ingesting or implanting this kind of stuff.  I don't know how one would power it, though.  Plain ol' backscattering RFID tags are smaller.  The kind used to identify pets are in ~ 12mm glass capsules a bit over 2mm in diameter, but are obviously close range only.

In countries where people do not take off their shoes indoors, the sole of the shoe would make for a good hiding place for a cheap off-the-shelf BLE or even WiFi tracker.  If you have a "friend" who is convinced of some conspiracy, that kind of thing could very well in their mind be justifiable to convince you of their "facts".
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« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2022, 09:03:48 am »
If I was going to have a computer in my shoes it’d be for something far more nefarious http://www.doynefarmer.com/roulette
 

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« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2022, 09:53:14 am »
I have the equipment and skills to measure those frequencies.

Send me $500 and I'll tell you what they are. There'll be no need for you to travel at all.
 
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« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2022, 10:07:30 am »
I'm willing to pay so we can find and measure the signal that is getting broadcast from inside me. I'm hoping to isolate all other surrounding frequencies and have the person zero in on this particular frequency.

You're don't needs to measure it, because it cannot help you. Instead of that you're needs to find the signal source in your body and then decide what to do with it. Do you have any implants in your body?
 

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« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2022, 11:35:55 am »
I digested something that emits a frequency

Source of quote:  https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/hanheld-frequency-analyzer-question/

If you digested such a thing, it would usually pass out of the body, naturally, and into a toilet.

It would usually very rapidly run out of electrical power, and stop working.  As it would have a tiny battery, hence only a tiny amount of electricity available from it, and data/other transmissions, usually need a fair wack of electricity.

If it is small enough it might get stuck in the appendix, and never come out through the poop tube.

For battery operated devices you are quite right that it will run out very quickly, unless he swallowed a device with one of those new nuclear diamond batteries. They can last for ever :-DD

If it is a RFID type of device then the power comes from an external device. For instance Philips has "smart" cards called MIFARE cards. Here the card reader generates a field that induces power in a coil that turns the chip on. Then communication starts. But this is very near field and requires a fairly large coil. For as far as I know this is also how newer wireless bank cards work. Been out of this line of work for a long time and did not keep up with technological evolution of it.

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« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2022, 11:39:58 am »
"Can I pay someone $500 to measure frequencies"

Yes, yes you can. Hell I'll do it for $350.
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« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2022, 12:07:46 pm »
I'll do it for $349.99  :-DD
 

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« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2022, 12:10:15 pm »


If it is small enough it might get stuck in the appendix, and never come out through the poop tube.

For battery operated devices you are quite right that it will run out very quickly, unless he swallowed a device with one of those new nuclear diamond batteries. They can last for ever :-DD


What reason does he have to think he swallowed this device? Was it deliberate, say as part of an experiment, or was it slipped into his food?

What sort of device was it? How big was it?

Why does he think it's still in him?

If he didn't swallow it, it must be some sort of implant. How did it come to be implanted?

What's the story with the friend who can read the frequency on a computer. How does this work? He can obviously pick it up, so why can't he locate the source?

This is either a spoof or someone undergoing an irrational excursion.
 

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« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2022, 12:11:42 pm »
I'll do it for $349.99  :-DD

Psychological warfare? Just the one cent :palm:


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