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| xavier60:
Having the function generator mains grounded and the CRO mains grounded attached to the op-amp circuit won't cause any damage even with the 0V point on the PSU also mains grounded, assuming that everything is wired correctly. It's best practice to leave the PSU totally un-grounded unless there is a good reason to do so. Having more than one piece of equipment mains grounded does cause ground loops which usually adds a small amount of interference to displayed waveforms. |
| David Hess:
--- Quote from: codingwithethanol on May 30, 2019, 09:21:33 am ---As an addendum, I recently opened up my function generator to see what was inside and found that the BNC port grounds were also earth referenced. I checked a few other threads here and here are my main concerns. 1. Removing or simply taping over the ground pin on the power cable on the Function Generator would solve the issue of blowing up my oscilloscope but some people said it would probably lead to inaccurate operation or HV developing across the unused connectors which would obviously be a safety concern. --- End quote --- That can be a solution under some circumstances however the common mode capacitance between the BNC ground and Earth ground still exists. This can be several hundred picofarads. Some function generators have a fully isolated output just like some oscilloscopes have fully isolated inputs. --- Quote ---2. Always taking care to where the ground lead is placed is another solution but this limits what you can probe. --- End quote --- What I have done in some cases is to build the equivalent of an instrumentation amplifier into the circuit which will accept the grounded test signal and level shift it to the point where I need it applied. Or I may do the opposite to provide a grounded signal to the oscilloscope. |
| codingwithethanol:
I learned something fantastic recently, where you can probe voltages without even using the ground clip, completely solving the problem. The only con is that you cant display the output of 2 things at once, but I feel that that is far outweighed by the positive of worry free probing anywhere in a mains earth grounded circuit. I learned this fantastic trick from a youtube video and I havent seen this mentioned anywhere else, so here it is: https://youtu.be/VWodjUSkYVE?t=222 |
| spiff72:
I don't know if you ever got this working, but in looking through your thread, I see that you are trying to do the same thing that I was just doing. Please check this thread out: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/agilent-e3646-power-supply-with-opamps-(for-dual-rail-power)/ My thought is that you need to take the "earth" ground connections out of your circuit. These are what may be confusing you here. I posted a schematic of how I connected this up on my Agilent power supply (which doesn't have any earth ground connections on the front panel - but does have them on the back). I turned on tracking mode on my supply, which lets you adjust voltage for both channels at the same time, and then connected a jumper from the "-" terminal of Channel 1 to the "+" terminal of Channel 2. This puts connects them in series providing a total of 20v, and I connected another jumper from that series jumper to my breadboard to serve as my "common" reference point. This is the zero voltage point that some have called ground (including me). Calling it "common" is better because it doesn't introduce confusion about earth ground. Since the voltage from each channel is 10v, the common voltage can be considered 0, Channel 1's "+" terminal serves as the +10v rail, and Channel 2's "-" terminal serves as the -10v rail. The only difference is that I have the op amp wired up as an inverting amplifier. Also note that the ground clip of each scope probe I used, AND the ground clip of my BNC-to-alligator cable from the Function Generator are all connected to that zero reference point. Finally, when you set up the power supply, even if you don't have tracking mode set up, just set both channels to 10v, with reasonable current limits (I think mine was set at 0.5 amps, but the circuit only draws about a milliamp or two from each power rail for my 741 op amp). |
| codingwithethanol:
Yes I had in fact wired it up this way before, but I discovered that my second channel was shorted. I had gotten it recently and someone said that it could have already been in a state of disrepair when I purchased it which is highly likely. Anyways, I'll soon open it up and do a thorough teardown and replacement of any malfunctioning components. |
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