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Cheap alternatives to ebay China ?
« on: March 10, 2017, 01:31:47 pm »
I'm in Canada, and between Chinapost, Canadapost, and customs, (and maybe dishonest sellers, etc), a bunch of things have been taking 2 months to arrive. And for me since Decemeber, I've had about 8 items that haven't arrived at all, and some are 1 month late.

I just a few components here and there, but the cost of ordering them from Canada/US is pretty mush always $5,10,15 or more, vs the $1-2 from China

Many items lately use economy international shipping, which will list an estimate of 12-37 BUSINESS DAYS, and I live on literally the farthest Eastern edge of Canada and all of North America in St.John's (Cape Spear is just a short drive away).


Any ideas where else to order from ?
 

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Re: Cheap alternatives to ebay China ?
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2017, 02:21:41 pm »
I am in America, and I have the same problem with the 1-2 or months to arrive, or things being late. I order all components from ebay on the cheap, If you want them cheaper go to aliexpress but it will take longer. I have found it best just to accept the fact it takes a month or two to come in. Its cheap enough, and shipping is usually free, So I try not to complain much.
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Re: Cheap alternatives to ebay China ?
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2017, 02:30:28 pm »
There are of course reasons why the Chinese stuff is cheap and shipping is free.

And a local reseller who keeps local stock will have a higher price due to his own costs and profitmargin.
 

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Re: Cheap alternatives to ebay China ?
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2017, 02:38:04 pm »
I don't see the problem, I never expect when I order things from China that they will be on time.
If you order something from China, it's gonna be somewhere between 2 weeks and 1-2 months.
Ebay doesn't have anything to do with it, it's just parts that are checked by your customs from certain countries.
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Re: Cheap alternatives to ebay China ?
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2017, 04:51:45 pm »
But lately I'm missing stuff, usually stuff would show up within the expected time 20-30 business days, usually right at the end since I'm in St.John's. Now I have a few that I ordered in mid-Dec and Jan  that aren't here yet(if at all)

Bottom line I'd rather pay more, and order from another country. What about Malaysia to US/Canada ?, I see Malaysia listed a 1/2 often.
 

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Re: Cheap alternatives to ebay China ?
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2017, 05:01:26 pm »
I know what you mean.
It's a 100% Canada post problem.
Since they've done a $200million "upgrade" to their Richmond sorting facility, it's been a disaster.
Just received a padded envelope from California..it was mailed in December!!
Google "mail-processing-canada-customs-slow" on the redflagdeals forums and read the last few pages.
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Is there no online parts retailers out East/Toronto?
We have http://leeselectronic.com/en/ locally here and they will post..same Chinese stuff, their cut added on, but without the 3 month (or more) postal wait.
The fastest is, of course, Digi-Key..8 bucks for overnight courier delivery isn't too bad! And prime parts!
 

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Re: Cheap alternatives to ebay China ?
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2017, 05:12:23 pm »
Both Fasttech & Gearbest have fast expedited shipping options on the cheap:

http://fasttech.com
http://gearbest.com

And with Dealextreme, it shouldn't take longer than a month at worst:
http://dx.com

Also, Dealextreme has a US-specific website (which offers fast US shipping):
http://dxsoul.com
I don't think they ship to Canada, but if you have a friend or a relative living the US, maybe you could have it shipped there (and then have him ship it to you) I'd imagine this would be quicker than getting the shipment from their main site.
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Re: Cheap alternatives to ebay China ?
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2017, 06:18:56 pm »
When getting cheap stuff from China at $1 - $2, I usually order a few - one each from different sellers, preferably in difference cities.  It's playing the odds, but often one comes earlier than the others, and it is still cheaper than buying just 1 at $10 - $15 for local stock. I am in the US, so if Canada post is the issue, this may not work as well.

If i want something within a week, I buy things fulfilled by amazon prime.  Sometimes the Chinese sellers have some stock in the amazon warehouse and you can get the prime 2 day shipping - you just pay a bit more for this option.
 

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Re: Cheap alternatives to ebay China ?
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2017, 06:34:49 pm »
Most of you don't know, that commercial international shipping in China is not any cheaper than the rest of the world.
Only Chinapost is cheaper, and not to individuals. Chinese government has a US dollar earning program, which encourages domestic companies to sell abroad to stock US dollars. One of the act is to lower Chinapost's cost for export-only sellers. This particular service is called ePacket.
Almost all countries' postal service are united into a consortium, that's why we can send mails and packages using post office to and from all over the world. One of the consortium's contract says when using postal service to ship abroad, the shipper country pays shipping cost, the recipient's country pays delivery cost.
Therefore, when shipping goods from China using Chinapost, the big cost, which is the most labor intensive part, delivery, is actually paid by your country or your country's postal service company, that's why shipping from China is cheaper than shipping form within your country.
If you want reliable shipping (not using postal service), you need to turn to UPS/FedEx or some Chinese private shipping company, such as SF-Express. As a result, now you are going to pay all costs for shipping it to your country.

TLDR: if you want to buy from China without months of waiting and possibly losing your package, try SF-Express. They charge $30-ish for small packets, deliver in 7 days. Their delivery partner in the US is UPS, operating at JFK. Another option is to use a reshipper to get your goods to HongKong, then use HK DHL, this is equally cheap but 2 days faster. Final delivery is made by DHL itself in the US, operating at CVG.
 
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Re: Cheap alternatives to ebay China ?
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2017, 06:46:09 pm »
Seems there's a problem in Canada, lot of people have the same problem in late 2016

https://community.ebay.ca/t5/Packaging-Shipping/China-to-Canada-packages/qaq-p/121715/comment-id/4926#M4926

Thanks for the links guys, I'll add them to a list to remember next month and try a bigger order all at once
 

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Re: Cheap alternatives to ebay China ?
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2017, 06:51:57 pm »
I have a picture in my head of just a giant pile of little packages filling whole warehouses, and they use front end loaders to shovel onto conveyor belts for sorting, like a recycling center or dump
 

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Re: Cheap alternatives to ebay China ?
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2017, 07:01:19 pm »
If it did not arrive within the indicated timeframe, open a dispute on Paypal and get your money back. It seems Chinapost "tracking numbers" are not traceable outside of China, so no point to try to trace it and no proof of delivery, so PayPal will refund.
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Re: Cheap alternatives to ebay China ?
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2017, 07:09:18 pm »
What about Malaysia to US/Canada ?, I see Malaysia listed a 1/2 often.

I've ordered thing lately from Malaysia and wondered if shipping was better time.  All packets were postmarked CHINA.
 

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Re: Cheap alternatives to ebay China ?
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2017, 07:09:57 pm »
If it did not arrive within the indicated timeframe, open a dispute on Paypal and get your money back. It seems Chinapost "tracking numbers" are not traceable outside of China, so no point to try to trace it and no proof of delivery, so PayPal will refund.

Track with your local post office's website.
For instance, I recently purchased this: https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction_input?strOrigTrackNum=LK163058870CN.
 

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Re: Cheap alternatives to ebay China ?
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2017, 07:11:37 pm »
China is doing some kind of subsidy now with shipping costs to the US for its suppliers.  It's cheap and and fast now.  It's not unusual for me to see stuff coming within a week or two with shipping costs less than a few dollars.  Wasn't like that at all just a few years ago.  Sounds like Canada kind of got left behind in the dust on that one.

The Chinese have been very smart in doing things that have ever increased their presence in the global market.  I think that shipping subsidy is another thing they're doing to gobble up more of the market where they already have a huge advantage.  I don't think it will be long before they own it all.
 

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Re: Cheap alternatives to ebay China ?
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2017, 07:23:07 pm »
Same here being in Canada and same problems.

What used to take 30 to 45 days now takes 45 to 60 days.  About 1/3 of my items don't even arrive.  Luckily, they are items I don't need right away.

I try to pick sellers that say they are based in Hong Kong.  Whether that is true or not, I don't know.

For those wondering, a tablet case sold by my local store is listed at $35 MSRP not including taxes.  The exact same case is $6 + free shipping on ebay/aliexpress.

PS. The tracking numbers, if any, supplied are totally useless.  They show the seller shipped the item, usually, within 24 hours, but after that the information goes into a black hole.  Even when items arrive, the tracking information shows nothing more.
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Re: Cheap alternatives to ebay China ?
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2017, 09:27:25 pm »
Just received a delivery notice # 026786611069076 from CPC (Canada Post Corp)   Original tracking  # RS809126787CN
Package from DX (Deal Extreme)  international tracking  https://www.17track.net/en/track?nums=RS809126787CN
It was ordered Nov. 21, 2016 (109 days to delivery)
By the way, CPC "used to show" international tracking, they still can track internally, but now refuse to show it for online tracking. Why?
Because the mail sits in warehouses for months! Or shipped back east and back again for sorting! Really!
It's not customs..it's because they can't handle the mail with their fancy new Pitney Bowes equipment!
Regular job postings here for postal mechanics in the new plant...funny that.
This is what we get for having them double our postage fees!? (and CEO making almost $1 million/year with bonuses)
Welcome to the newest third world..canada!
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Re: Cheap alternatives to ebay China ?
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2017, 12:24:48 am »
Just received a delivery notice # 026786611069076 from CPC (Canada Post Corp)   Original tracking  # RS809126787CN
Package from DX (Deal Extreme)  international tracking  https://www.17track.net/en/track?nums=RS809126787CN
It was ordered Nov. 21, 2016 (109 days to delivery)
By the way, CPC "used to show" international tracking, they still can track internally, but now refuse to show it for online tracking. Why?
Because the mail sits in warehouses for months! Or shipped back east and back again for sorting! Really!
It's not customs..it's because they can't handle the mail with their fancy new Pitney Bowes equipment!
Regular job postings here for postal mechanics in the new plant...funny that.
This is what we get for having them double our postage fees!? (and CEO making almost $1 million/year with bonuses)
Welcome to the newest third world..canada!
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Why do you think its not customs? You are misinformed, this is almost entirely CBSA delays, because they are hand inspecting every single package to look for drugs. Waste of time IMO.
If you order anything express it comes through as fast as it always did. I haven't received lettermail, but that is not supposed to be inspected as well.

https://www.canadapost.ca/web/en/blogs/announcements/details.page?article=2016/10/14/delays_with_mail_pri&cat=servicealerts&cattype=announcements
https://community.ebay.ca/t5/Packaging-Shipping/Horrible-delays-for-items-from-Asia-China-etc/qaq-p/362927

If this keeps happening, and people are requesting refunds due to no fault of the seller, I wouldn't be surprised for people to start blacklisting Canada.
 

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Re: Cheap alternatives to ebay China ?
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2017, 01:57:43 am »
I am in a Western suburb of Toronto. When I phone or order online from Digikey or Newark before 8PM then it is delivered to me the next morning. They do not have much poor quality Chinese junk.
I shop at Electrosonic, Active or Sayal stores that are all over Toronto.

Sayal sells many surplus items, I bought Name Brand clock radios for $1.50 and 5V/2A wall warts for $1.75. They have many ICs. They are from India so many cheap electronic parts like LEDs are poor quality.
 

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Re: Cheap alternatives to ebay China ?
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2017, 03:12:39 am »
Why do you think its not customs? You are misinformed, this is almost entirely CBSA delays, because they are hand inspecting every single package to look for drugs. Waste of time IMO.
If you order anything express it comes through as fast as it always did. I haven't received lettermail, but that is not supposed to be inspected as well.
If this keeps happening, and people are requesting refunds due to no fault of the seller, I wouldn't be surprised for people to start blacklisting Canada.

I agree with the possible blacklisting, however you haven't addressed the fact that CPC no longer shows online international tracking, which was once a standard here, as in most countries.
As for the CBSA, who knows? We'll never know the truth, especially from CPC (they tend to censor their Facebook page, funny that).
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Re: Cheap alternatives to ebay China ?
« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2017, 03:15:38 am »
I agree with Wilfred.
Also in Australia.
I have ordered quite a lot of components from china and my daughter has ordered quite a few Tamagochi type toy/games and many of our orders
have arrived in lest then 3 calendar weeks i.e. 15 - 16 working days.
I think the longest we have had to wait was about 4 1/2 weeks.

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Re: Cheap alternatives to ebay China ?
« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2017, 03:33:28 am »
Therefore, when shipping goods from China using Chinapost, the big cost, which is the most labor intensive part, delivery, is actually paid by your country or your country's postal service company, that's why shipping from China is cheaper than shipping form within your country.

The whole free shipping thing is nice personally, but I really hope Trump can trample all over international "agreements" like this before he has to leave office. It has to stop, we can't just muddle on with this for another decade.
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« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2017, 07:08:48 am »
Also Canada here, many items over 2 months now. Hmm, starting to think it's more a Canada problem.   :-//
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« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2017, 07:24:35 am »
It seems to me that the slow boat from China is being exceptionally slow lately.  I think a lot of people have clued into buying from China direct.  And who knows what Canada Post is doing to keep the load off those community mailbox parcel compartments.

I got an Amazon Prime membership last summer and that's my goto source these days for things like that.  Free 2 day shipping has really changed my shopping habits.  I got annoyed at not having a good selection of (unused) resistors.  $6 and two days later the problem has been solved.  Fortunately, amazon.ca is getting to be "not bad" compared to how it was in the past; which was just a collection of amazon partners shipping from the US or China.
Would have gone with Digikey but their kits are over $20 for 5pc of each, and frankly 5pc is just annoyingly too few.  While very complete, I would rather have 10-20 of a bunch of random E24s than a few of each E12 so I'd end up buying 2 or three. 
I'm also moving a rather shocking amount of my purchases for work through Amazon just because it's easier than driving the few blocks to the local industrial supply and cheaper for the company.

I'm also on the east coast (Halifax).  I've found the the Royal Mail surprisingly quick and cheap compared to the USPS or any courier's ground service from the US.
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« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2017, 08:12:45 am »
My shipping to USA take average 8-14 days, on average it arrive around 10days, depend on location really.

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« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2017, 09:55:05 am »
There is DipMicro, they are Canadian, although I don't know if they actually ship from Canada, I seem to remember having stuff come from them (to NZ) through SwissPost maybe, but haven't bought anything from them in years.

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« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2017, 01:14:06 pm »
That reminds me I just ordered a 9.00 baofeng HAM radio including shipping. A ham radio for less then 300 bucks? How abut 9? The chinese thing has made selling stuff on ebay so hard. People just look at the price and forget it takes forever to ship. And somethings you can ONLY find from china. I liked it better when we had a choice as consumers.
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« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2017, 10:33:38 pm »
I agree with the possible blacklisting, however you haven't addressed the fact that CPC no longer shows online international tracking, which was once a standard here, as in most countries.
As for the CBSA, who knows? We'll never know the truth, especially from CPC (they tend to censor their Facebook page, funny that).
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Their tracking is a joke now, I agree. But the job opening you've posted is for a single position. I would be surprised if 3-4 people made a significant difference in the volume of mail processed.

Quote from rfd thread (https://forums.redflagdeals.com/mail-processing-canada-customs-slow-711375/52/):
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Surprisingly, I spoke to a supervisor who was friendly and helpful. She sent me an email saying the item apparently arrived in Canada on Feb. 7 but Canada Post never had it in its possession. She even included a screenshot of their system. She confirmed that a lot of packages are sent from Richmond to Mississauga to get processed because Canada Post and CBSA are understaffed in Richmond.

So you are right about it being shipped somewhere else to process, and we won't know know who to blame. But the fact that items shipped after christmas are arriving sooner than the ones shipped before is very suspicious. It would indicate CBSA targeting certain shipments for additional inspection.

From that thread, if you can pay an extra $4 for ePacket it will arrive quickly.
 

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« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2017, 02:07:42 am »
The worst thing about ebay now is when you are looking for something not from china and are willing to pay more. This is a big problem when I try to order things to make flavorings for foods. I really dont trust chemicals or filters from china, since a small amount of contamination can lead to a deadly and unwanted chemical reaction. Mmmmmm artificial ingredients! Did you know they have counterfeit eggs in china? All synthetic and toxic materials. Eggs? Really?
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« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2017, 07:06:02 am »
There is DipMicro, they are Canadian, although I don't know if they actually ship from Canada, I seem to remember having stuff come from them (to NZ) through SwissPost maybe, but haven't bought anything from them in years.

http://www.dipmicro.ca/store/

 Yes I use DipMicro and they ship to Canadians using  Canada post surface from southern Ontario, that is no Customs. No Customs for American orders as well as they seem to personally truck across the border and ship from the US side handling customs themselves. Good people, reliable, limited selection of mostly chinese stuff at OK prices. 5 to 7 days to get to Vancouver Island. To the island  always takes an additional day for the ferry ride.
 

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Re: Cheap alternatives to ebay China ?
« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2017, 07:13:01 am »
It can take months for me in CA as well, most of the Chinese EBay sellers I have bought from will DHL if you ask them to, it costs around $9 to $14 U.S. And arrives in a few days usually.
 

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« Reply #31 on: March 20, 2017, 11:45:38 pm »
For those wondering, a tablet case sold by my local store is listed at $35 MSRP not including taxes.  The exact same case is $6 + free shipping on ebay/aliexpress.

PS. The tracking numbers, if any, supplied are totally useless.
Wow, I ordered this tablet case on March 9 from Aliexpress, seller shipped March 11 and it arrived today (March 20).  Unbelievable, only 9 days.

Additionally, shipping information was provided and it showed when it arrived in Canada (March 17) and how long customs took to process the package.

It was shipped via ePacket with delivery confirmation.  I paid $6 CDN + free shipping.

So, maybe, just maybe everything is working now?  I'm pleased with the case and price that I ordered another from the same seller today.  Hopefully, it will arrive within 2 weeks as well.

PS. I ordered this same case from ebay back in November 2016 and it never arrived. Seller gave me refund though.
 

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Re: Cheap alternatives to ebay China ?
« Reply #32 on: March 21, 2017, 12:35:20 am »
I'll add my 2 cents on this. Free-shipping packages from China to Israel usually take about a month to arrive (today I got something I ordered on ebay on February 17th), but it can take much longer around global events (e.g. Christmas or Chinese new year sale) that create a load on China Post, or local holidays when people buy more and create a load on the feeble local post.

My impression is that when the post workers are faced with too many packages, they simply give up - leave the piles as they are, attend to newer incoming packages, and only process the old ones if and when things are quiet again.
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