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Offline josephpateTopic starter

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voltage divider pot as power supply
« on: August 21, 2012, 03:24:43 pm »
I was watching a youtube video where a guy used a 1k pot as a voltage divider.  the outside pins were connected to + and - and the wiper pin was his output. 

I tried this with a 10k pot I had and a 9v battery and it worked great. 

This leads to the obvious question of why do people spend so much money on power supplies when you can do the same thing with a battery and a cheap pot?
 

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Re: voltage divider pot as power supply
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2012, 03:40:01 pm »
I was watching a youtube video where a guy used a 1k pot as a voltage divider.  the outside pins were connected to + and - and the wiper pin was his output. 

I tried this with a 10k pot I had and a 9v battery and it worked great. 

This leads to the obvious question of why do people spend so much money on power supplies when you can do the same thing with a battery and a cheap pot?

Which in turn leads to the obvious answer:
People want to draw usable currents at the lower voltage,which they can't do if there is,in your case,several  thousand Ohms in series
with the connection they are drawing it from.
Plus,the less obvious:
As soon as you start to draw current,your voltage divider doesn't have the same division ratio anymore--Any ideas why?
 

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Re: voltage divider pot as power supply
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2012, 03:40:53 pm »
This leads to the obvious question of why do people spend so much money on power supplies when you can do the same thing with a battery and a cheap pot?

Let's try a quick thought experiment, which might illuminate -- imagine a battery and a 10k pot connected as you describe, with the wiper at the halfway point so you've got 4.5 volts at the output.  Now connect a 1k resistor between your wiper and ground to provide a bit of load; what do you think will happen to the output voltage?
 

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Re: voltage divider pot as power supply
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2012, 03:44:20 pm »
Simple reason is power delivery and output voltage. At best you will supply a minute current through the wiper, and if you connect any load to the output it will quickly drop. Try again , but use a plain LED that you do not mind destroying and see the voltage across it as you vary the pot.

Another reason is that the output depends both on the input voltage and the load current, and both are variable in a power supply, the pot can be used across a reference supply to supply a high power amplifier to drive the output, basically a power supply.
 

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Re: voltage divider pot as power supply
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2012, 03:46:09 pm »
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why do people spend so much money on power supplies when you can do the same thing with a battery and a cheap pot?
Pretty simple. They want to get some significant current out of their powersupply without changing the outputvoltage.
But if you put a loadresistor on the output of your powersupply you will get a voltagedecrease.



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Re: voltage divider pot as power supply
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2012, 04:39:58 pm »
Ah I see.  Perhaps I need to rewatch the youtube video then.

So what's the purpose of a voltage divider then?  (sorry I'm at work can't really look it up.  Should be working instead of posting this too!)
 

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Re: voltage divider pot as power supply
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2012, 05:34:57 pm »
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So what's the purpose of a voltage divider then?

In case of adjustable voltage divider (aka. potentiometer):
With reference to the powersupply: setting a reference voltage to control the output voltage/limiting the output current

In this case, there is no load on the voltage divider (because the voltage is feed in an op amp with high input impedance) and therefore, the voltage is stable.

Another pretty common purposes is volume control at the radio.

In case of fixed voltage divider (and a PSU again):
Diving down the output voltage in order to feed it back in the voltage controlling op amp.
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Re: voltage divider pot as power supply
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2012, 05:56:06 pm »
Of course you could use one of these. Rated at 3 amps 67 ohms.150mm dia 50mm deep weighs about a one kilo.
 

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Re: voltage divider pot as power supply
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2012, 08:33:18 pm »
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So what's the purpose of a voltage divider then?

In case of adjustable voltage divider (aka. potentiometer):
With reference to the powersupply: setting a reference voltage to control the output voltage/limiting the output current

In this case, there is no load on the voltage divider (because the voltage is feed in an op amp with high input impedance) and therefore, the voltage is stable.

Another pretty common purposes is volume control at the radio.

In case of fixed voltage divider (and a PSU again):
Diving down the output voltage in order to feed it back in the voltage controlling op amp.

I believe the guy in the video was feeding the output into a transistor (the base, maybe?).  Does that sound about right?
 

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Re: voltage divider pot as power supply
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2012, 08:55:36 pm »
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the guy in the video
Which video? A link would be useful.

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was feeding the output into a transistor (the base, maybe?).  Does that sound about right?
Yes, it does.

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