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In "Mac Gyver - Easy Target" episode, at 32:15 there is a device referenced as a "high voltage regulator".



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I'm wondering if it really exists (and how it's called), or if it's only something made for the show.
It's supposed to be used to charge a superconducting magnetic energy storage, to power some electromagnetic pulse (EMP) device.

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Re: Does such a device exists in real world ? If yes, how is it called ?
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2023, 08:06:40 pm »
The high voltage laboratory at Caltech, Pasadena, CA had similar looking things.  It gave a series of Friday public lectures to which I and my future sister-in-law usually went (I wasn't allowed to drive) while in high school.  Of course, one of the lectures was about high voltage.  Like all, it was great.  The most memorial lecture, however, was about double- and triple-points to which local oil companies apparently sent their engineers (circa late 1950's).  When one asked a very pointed question, the professor/presenter responded, "If you want a consult, call my office."  CalTech was and is a great American technical school.
 

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Re: Does such a device exists in real world ? If yes, how is it called ?
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2023, 08:11:28 pm »
May be a large Cockroft-Walton voltage multiplier

 

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Re: Does such a device exists in real world ? If yes, how is it called ?
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2023, 08:18:53 pm »
The high voltage laboratory at Caltech, Pasadena, CA had similar looking things. 

I've been in numerous high voltage testing chambers and that was my thought as well.
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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2023, 08:21:49 pm »
Often, a Cockroft-Walton high-voltage DC accelerator (voltage multiplier, possibly excited at frequencies above line frequency) was constructed with parallel branches (besides the diodes and capacitors) to include a high-voltage resistor to measure the terminal voltage, and a guard string to avoid corona current in the measurement resistor string.
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Re: Does such a device exists in real world ? If yes, how is it called ?
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2023, 09:41:42 pm »
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Yeah, that's definitely a high voltage impulse test setup

Here's a (public) picture of the Florida Power and Light "lightning lab" that I visited once

https://interfase.org/fpl-reliability-assurance-center

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Re: Does such a device exists in real world ? If yes, how is it called ?
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2023, 10:02:47 pm »
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Yeah, that's definitely a high voltage impulse test setup

Here's a (public) picture of the Florida Power and Light "lightning lab" that I visited once

https://interfase.org/fpl-reliability-assurance-center

Do you think it's the exact same place, same shot, but modernized ?
 

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« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2023, 10:19:45 pm »
Do you think it's the exact same place, same shot, but modernized ?

Not sure.  It's been a few years since I visited them, but my first thought when I saw the picture was "Man, that looks like FPL's lab!"  :)
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Re: Does such a device exists in real world ? If yes, how is it called ?
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2023, 12:45:09 pm »
This is equipment was most likely in Powertech's lab near Vancouver, BC (where MacGyver was filmed back in the day)

https://powertechlabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/High-Power-Brochure.pdf
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« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2023, 01:27:01 pm »
This is equipment was most likely in Powertech's lab near Vancouver, BC (where MacGyver was filmed back in the day)

https://powertechlabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/High-Power-Brochure.pdf

I think you're right:  here's a picture from their brochure that shows a tower with the same color scheme

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Re: Does such a device exists in real world ? If yes, how is it called ?
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2023, 12:37:17 am »
   Did they ever show the thing working, with obvious corona discharge, or even with a faked 'flashy Bright' sparking ?
 

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Re: Does such a device exists in real world ? If yes, how is it called ?
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2023, 12:43:18 am »
   I've worked, 40 years ago, on an accelerator.  That line-up was to have a particle beam, of electrons, in a vacuum.  The claim, which may have been to disguise the project, claim was to hit a target, which would originate radiation when struck. 
   Supposedly to 'irradiate' food, for sterilization.   Now, I suspect it was really for developing a particle beam...weapon...?

   It had hand-wound inductors and a 5 kv supply, along with spark gap switches.
 

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Re: Does such a device exists in real world ? If yes, how is it called ?
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2023, 01:04:30 am »
I've worked, 40 years ago, on an accelerator.  That line-up was to have a particle beam, of electrons, in a vacuum.  The claim, which may have been to disguise the project, claim was to hit a target, which would originate radiation when struck.

As far as I know, this is exactly how X-ray machines work. They fire a beam of high energy electrons at a (tungsten?) target, and this causes the emission of X-rays. The higher the voltage (energy) of the electrons, the shorter the wavelength of the emitted radiation. With high enough voltages you can get very hard X-rays that approach gamma rays.
 

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« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2023, 03:34:51 am »
I've worked, 40 years ago, on an accelerator.  That line-up was to have a particle beam, of electrons, in a vacuum.  The claim, which may have been to disguise the project, claim was to hit a target, which would originate radiation when struck.

As far as I know, this is exactly how X-ray machines work. They fire a beam of high energy electrons at a (tungsten?) target, and this causes the emission of X-rays. The higher the voltage (energy) of the electrons, the shorter the wavelength of the emitted radiation. With high enough voltages you can get very hard X-rays that approach gamma rays.

High-energy x rays (usually above 450 keV) are normally generated in a linear accelerator, which accelerates electrons to energies in the range of 1 MeV to over 20 MeV, which then hit a tungsten target.
The x-ray generation process is called by the German word Bremsstrahlung, which means "braking radiation", since the photons are emitted by the rapid deceleration of the electrons when they hit the target.
X-ray energy between 1 and 10 MeV are often used for industrial radiography, while energies above 10 MeV are typically used for radiation therapy (in oncology).
Bremsstrahlung makes a broad spectrum of photon energies, where the maximum energy corresponds to the energy of the electron beam.

Gamma rays and x rays are the same thing (photons):  the terms refer to the process that makes them.
Gamma rays originate in nuclear reactions, while x rays originate in electron reactions.
 

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« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2023, 03:57:26 am »
Gamma rays and x rays are the same thing (photons):  the terms refer to the process that makes them.
Gamma rays originate in nuclear reactions, while x rays originate in electron reactions.

In some fields, e.g. astronomy, there seems to be an arbitrary distinction where photon energies above 0.1 MeV are called gamma rays, and energies below 0.1 MeV are called X-rays. But this is just a matter of labeling for convenience.
 

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Re: Does such a device exists in real world ? If yes, how is it called ?
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2023, 02:08:12 pm »
however, was about double- and triple-points to which local oil companies apparently sent their engineers (circa late 1950's).  When one asked a very pointed question, the professor/presenter responded, "If you want a consult, call my office."  CalTech was and is a great American technical school.
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