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Title: First power supply
Post by: Zynch on March 02, 2021, 12:11:04 pm
Hello

So I know this was probably asked a million times already but here I am with another one.

I’m starting to equip my home lab and looking to buy a bench power supply. I really don’t know what to get and am looking for some help.
I’ve read a few posts here but it’s not helping much.

I work with absolutely anything from microcontrollers, led strips (not going for crazy lengths that require insane amps), stepper projects and random industrial automation stuff

What I’m looking for:
    - at least 24 V output to cover my 3d printer and random industrial automation components
    - 3 - 5 A would probably suffice for not
probably no more than 1 output, if there are more, they can be fixed 5/12 V
    - if it has connectivity (rs232, usb, ethernet, …) it could be fun to play with in the future
    - a decent user interface

At the moment I’m looking at what TME (tme.eu) has on offer, as I have a couple of things I’m looking to order from them already, otherwise anything that I can order from within the EU without getting extorted with shipping works.

Budget: about 150€ before tax
I'm not looking to spend too much, but am willing to pay more if there is someting good quality that will last
Title: Re: First power supply
Post by: Capernicus on March 02, 2021, 12:26:33 pm
This is the one I snap bought when I didnt know anything at all.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSFa5bhxEA4UbhODP6VHSlnad_CfM0a_UFZqQ&usqp=CAU)

I remember Dave from eev blog says he hates these twin course and fine knob power supplies and theres cooler one's that have a winder instead that dials it and its better to control...  and I agree with him, the fine knob doesnt seem to make barely any difference at all, and u have to sit there a while just tweaking it a micrometre overshooting up and down until you get it right.

I'm probably going to step up to a better one soon.

What would be good for my next one->
   
     * ac output,    (I ended up making a marx generator cause I was stuck with dc so long!   but it forces you to learn how to make your own oscillators, so maybe its good going without it as a beginner.)

     * more volts.   (If u can have a power supply put out 500 volts, then u can get spark gaps to work without even using a doubler or a transformer.)


Trap for young players->
Theres a strange thing that happens if you power a circuit with not enough resistance and heaps of parallel pathways,  the power supply will not output full voltage, because it hasnt got enough watts to hit the amp/current requirement,  thats one of the first things you have to learn, that the current is the maximum current, it doesnt necessarily get to it,   and if you are undershooting your watts, itll actually put out less current than what is designated.


If im saying anything wrong now, I will stand a n00b corrected. :)

BTw ive never shocked myself with this power supply by itself,  but the marx generator did and the capacitors did.
One way to give yourself a nasty shock is just in turn charge up a heap of capacitors in series and grab both ends. :)
Title: Re: First power supply
Post by: andersthuresson on March 02, 2021, 03:29:58 pm
I got a Riden from AliExpress together with the most powerful switching power supply I could find. It's 60V / 12A. The nice thing is that you can pick and choose a cheaper switching power supply to get the cost down. This is the most powerful power supply I have. Time will tell if the quality is good but the built of the thing seems just fine.
Title: Re: First power supply
Post by: larsdenmark on March 02, 2021, 03:45:24 pm
Anything you spend on thing with serial, USB, GPIB interface will take things away from safety, sturdiness and other important features, but it shouldn't be impossible to get.

This is bare minimum (68€):
https://www.reichelt.com/dk/en/laboratory-power-supply-unit-0-30-v-0-5-a-stabilized-kd3005d-p148149.html (https://www.reichelt.com/dk/en/laboratory-power-supply-unit-0-30-v-0-5-a-stabilized-kd3005d-p148149.html)

With USB (93$):
https://www.reichelt.com/dk/en/laboratory-power-supply-unit-0-30-v-0-5-a-stabilized-pro-kd3005p-p148150.html (https://www.reichelt.com/dk/en/laboratory-power-supply-unit-0-30-v-0-5-a-stabilized-pro-kd3005p-p148150.html)

I own a Manson (this one has USB, 199€)
https://www.reichelt.com/dk/en/programmable-laboratory-power-supply-unit-with-usb-interface-hcs-3202-p106617.html (https://www.reichelt.com/dk/en/programmable-laboratory-power-supply-unit-with-usb-interface-hcs-3202-p106617.html)

Note that Korad, Manson and many other power supply "brands" are made by someone else and are sold by many names. Personally I would avoid the Korad as there are way too many stories about lack of quality.
Title: Re: First power supply
Post by: Adrian_Arg. on March 02, 2021, 03:48:14 pm
I bought this one, it really works very well.
(https://i.ibb.co/Ss3pVxc/unit.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: First power supply
Post by: ledtester on March 02, 2021, 04:16:05 pm
Quote
What I’m looking for:
    - at least 24 V output to cover my 3d printer and random industrial automation components

Just wanted to chime in here to say that you should get a dedicated supply for your 3d printer. It has fixed requirements. It doesn't need adjustable voltage or current or displays. Besides, you don't want to tie up your only power supply when you are running your 3d printer (for hours and hours at a time.) A fixed supply can be very cheap compared to an adjustable bench supply.
Title: Re: First power supply
Post by: YurkshireLad on March 02, 2021, 04:48:30 pm
How vital is it to get a power supply that is grounded to mains? I.e. with a 3 pin plug.
Title: Re: First power supply
Post by: ledtester on March 02, 2021, 05:12:20 pm
How vital is it to get a power supply that is grounded to mains? I.e. with a 3 pin plug.

For development / experimentation you generally want your supply to be floating -- not grounded -- as that is the most useful configuration.

However, a supply may use a 3-prong plug if it has exposed metal. That metal needs to be grounded for safety.

So, a 3-prong plug is not an indication that the supply itself is grounded.
Title: Re: First power supply
Post by: Zynch on March 02, 2021, 07:50:00 pm
Just wanted to chime in here to say that you should get a dedicated supply for your 3d printer. It has fixed requirements. It doesn't need adjustable voltage or current or displays. Besides, you don't want to tie up your only power supply when you are running your 3d printer (for hours and hours at a time.) A fixed supply can be very cheap compared to an adjustable bench supply.
I'm not crazy, my printer has it's own dedicated supply (24V, 17A), it was meant as testing parts for it.

Anything you spend on thing with serial, USB, GPIB interface will take things away from safety, sturdiness and other important features, but it shouldn't be impossible to get.
That's why I wrote it as "if it has connectivity" since it's not really needed just a nice bonus to play around with (which I probably won't touch for years tbh).

The more I look the less I know and question what I should even look for and how much I wanna spend.
This is gonna be a big choosing session.
Title: Re: First power supply
Post by: Wallace Gasiewicz on March 02, 2021, 10:36:58 pm

Here is just a suggestion:
Get an used old variable PS with a big transformer and analog meter readout. The heavier the better.

However the analog meters are not always accurate but you can always use a good multimeter to verify volts.
Might save you some money and give you a starting point. for maybe 10 euros. (they are cheap in the US, I would think they would be cheap where you are)
If you don't like it, you can always use it to power your small electric train! HA!

I have several variable PS including a 0-40 v monster HP 6268B (600 watt?) 40 kilo weight.
I use my 3 output digital display power supply sometimes.
I frequently use my one output old cheap Leader analog meter PS.
Title: Re: First power supply
Post by: Electro Fan on March 03, 2021, 12:17:51 am
Anything you spend on thing with serial, USB, GPIB interface will take things away from safety, sturdiness and other important features, but it shouldn't be impossible to get.

This is bare minimum (68€):
https://www.reichelt.com/dk/en/laboratory-power-supply-unit-0-30-v-0-5-a-stabilized-kd3005d-p148149.html (https://www.reichelt.com/dk/en/laboratory-power-supply-unit-0-30-v-0-5-a-stabilized-kd3005d-p148149.html)

With USB (93$):
https://www.reichelt.com/dk/en/laboratory-power-supply-unit-0-30-v-0-5-a-stabilized-pro-kd3005p-p148150.html (https://www.reichelt.com/dk/en/laboratory-power-supply-unit-0-30-v-0-5-a-stabilized-pro-kd3005p-p148150.html)

I own a Manson (this one has USB, 199€)
https://www.reichelt.com/dk/en/programmable-laboratory-power-supply-unit-with-usb-interface-hcs-3202-p106617.html (https://www.reichelt.com/dk/en/programmable-laboratory-power-supply-unit-with-usb-interface-hcs-3202-p106617.html)

Note that Korad, Manson and many other power supply "brands" are made by someone else and are sold by many names. Personally I would avoid the Korad as there are way too many stories about lack of quality.

Different experience here.

Have had a Korad running great for over 7 years, liked it so much I bought a second unit recently for another location.  Many, many more happy users than unhappy users, I believe.  KA3005D/P has a very nice user interface; accurate to roughly 10mV and 1-2 mA (can be calibrated without opening the unit); good price.  Not perfect but for ~$100 it's hard to see what's better.

https://uk.farnell.com/multicomp-pro/mp710503/bench-power-supply-1ch-adj-5a/dp/3410526?st=tenma%20ka3005d (https://uk.farnell.com/multicomp-pro/mp710503/bench-power-supply-1ch-adj-5a/dp/3410526?st=tenma%20ka3005d)

.... or Korad or Tenma KA3005D

all made by Korad, I think

https://eleshop.eu/korad-ka3005p-0-30v-0-5a-programmable-supply.html (https://eleshop.eu/korad-ka3005p-0-30v-0-5a-programmable-supply.html)

Having said that if it's just going to power a printer maybe something else can do the job for less; but if it's going to serve as an entry level linear power supply for your bench/lab, then the Korad KA3005D/P would be a very good choice, imo
Title: Re: First power supply
Post by: wizard69 on March 03, 2021, 01:41:23 am
I'm going to make a few suggestions that probably fly against the grain here.  So here are some points:

Power supplies are often over looked when people start learning electronics.   That is really sad because a good power supply is critical to keeping a digital circuit running.    Frankly if you are going to build anything permanent, it will need a power supply anyways, so it is better to get a handle on supplies early.   
Title: Re: First power supply
Post by: David Hess on March 04, 2021, 10:10:04 pm
- at least 24 V output to cover my 3d printer and random industrial automation components

I suggest getting a separate high current fixed voltage power supply for that sort of thing.  I prefer an industrial open or closed frame power supply mounted to a board rather than a consumer grade power "brick".