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Re: High Voltage Bench Power Supply Design
« Reply #25 on: April 01, 2018, 10:10:56 am »
The pure MOSFET is not a really good choice for linear application .IGBTs are a kind of MOSFET BJT hybrid.
Anyway, given the OP's background, I'm a bit surprised he's not going for a tube design right off the hop -- but if this should be a learning experience, introducing transistors, then linear-rated MOSFETs are a fine opportunity for many lessons. :)

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Hi Tim

I would go for a tube design, but honestly, that would be the lazy approach for me. There are a few great design guides and published schematics, and I find that I really need projects to learn new things.
I have designed Class A amplifiers, and simple BJT based circuits, but nothing that really takes much effort. Working through a couple of different approaches for this project has reminded me how much I still have to learn.  :)

Bookmarked this while ago, not 200mA though, only 10mA. And voltage mode only.



Source -> EDN: Regulate a 0 to 500V, 10-mA power supply in a different way

Not sure if the current capability can be up scaled safely.  :-//

I find this design really interesting. One of the things I noticed is that the voltage regulation is done using feedback, which I am assuming compensates the nonlinear photodiodes nicely. (Atleast I am assuming they are fairly nonlinear over the full range) I wonder that the transient response of this circuit is. I am almost tempted to build it just for fun.

One idea I had that may make this circuit more useful (or perhaps just make me look like a fool  ;D), couldnt this circuit be improved by using a floating opamp to drive the base of a series pass element, and then use the photo diodes into a resistor as a current to voltage converter to adjust the reference voltage going into the opamp? Okay Im just thinking out loud and this may not make sense, but I might just draw up this idea and simulate it for fun.  8)

Ah. Yeah, IGBTs typically have very little DC SOA.  BJTs as well, but as the above example at 10mA shows, they're not useless, just limited. :)

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Yes, just looked at the datasheet. Amazing how quickly the SOA falls off at higher voltages for that part. :)

IGBTs offer little advantage over MOSFETs - the IGBTs tend to be even worse when it comes to FBSOA.   At high voltages BJTs also have a limited SOA and thus well chosen MOSFETs might still be better. All the semiconductor power stages tend to fail short if they fail. This can be a big problem for a high voltage power supply, as this would result in full output voltage - possibly enough to blow electrolytic caps in the circuit.  So extra protection (e.g. a redundant emergency turn off or a crow bar) may be needed.

With around 100 W or worst case power dissipation the heat sink makes up the size. If BJTs are used, it might take quite a few of those TO3 / TO247 high voltage transistors - so size might not be such a valid argument against tubes.

If it really needs to be small, they way to go would be a switched mode regulator (to reduce the heat) with maybe an extra linear stage behind for fine adjust/filtering. However this makes it a rather complicated project and not for a beginner anyway.

A simple regulator circuit to look at could be HY1803D - its a simple example of the floating regulator.

Yes, I am planning on having atleast 3 different protection mechanisims, fuse, crowbar, current limit. Of course some real world testing will be needed to see if the crowbar circuit is fast enough. Thankfully the enclosure I have for this is quite large, and I have a reasonable number of heatsinks on my shelf just for projects like these.

Thank you.

I built an HV power suppy at university with similar capability. It’s not trivial. Mine did 400v at 1A.

I actually ended up building a supply that used several transformers in series and relays switched in taps accordingly. The pass transistors (stack of 2n3055’s) dropped only a maximum of 80 volts at any point.

This is actually similar to an HY1803D actually.

Very cool! If I do go ahead with this project, I will have at a minimum two voltage ranges, getting 4 separate transformer taps wouldnt be a big deal either, thankfully transformers are affordable now a days. DO you have any pictures of your build? Sounds like a pretty cool project!

 

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Re: High Voltage Bench Power Supply Design
« Reply #26 on: April 01, 2018, 10:15:03 am »
Using another topology is allowed?

Keithley HV digital power supply I've worked before, use a low voltage wave generator (20V~30V) to power a primary of a transformer with HV secondary. Then a voltage divider (high voltage) to sense the output voltage. That was a 5kV x 5mA or 10mA one. And after the secondary was a voltage multiplier (diodes and caps).

Using another topology is allowed?

Keithley HV digital power supply I've worked before, use a low voltage wave generator (20V~30V) to power a primary of a transformer with HV secondary. Then a voltage divider (high voltage) to sense the output voltage. That was a 5kV x 5mA or 10mA one. And after the secondary was a voltage multiplier (diodes and caps).

I like that idea.  Use this guy: https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/wurth-electronics-inc/760895431/732-5062-ND/4692724

Power a square wave from a power opamp at 100khz to the 2 12v+12v out (now being used as in), and put a bridge rectifier at the input pins (now power out) to get around 500v DC.  Basically using this switching supply transformer in reverse, but, driving a linear varying square wave to make a flat DC output which will need only 0.1uf decoupling cap + safety fixed resistor load.  With a linear amplitude square wave fed in this way, your output can go from 0v to 500v, and operate the device from a bench supply and be double isolated and no switching noise ripple since the output is always a 50/50 duty cycle full bridge rectified signal with no dead time.

I would use 2 of those TI TDA-xxxx 100watt power audio opamps to drive the thing with an MCU making the varying the amplitude of the 100khz square wave (This is not PWM), monitoring the output voltage and current.  The opamps would only operate at +/-24v and have short circuit current protection.

However, being a very safe and near self-destruct proof design (except that high voltage can still kill), if memory serves, this design is above the OP's capabilities.

Using another topology is allowed?

Keithley HV digital power supply I've worked before, use a low voltage wave generator (20V~30V) to power a primary of a transformer with HV secondary. Then a voltage divider (high voltage) to sense the output voltage. That was a 5kV x 5mA or 10mA one. And after the secondary was a voltage multiplier (diodes and caps).

The transformer moves the operating point on the power pass element SOA curve to a more favorable area so the secondary breakdown area is avoided.  The trade off is higher noise, although not that much higher, and extra complexity.  Some designs use the chopper transistors as the linear pass elements or drive the transformer with a sine wave instead of a chopped square wave.

At 500 volts and 200 milliamps, I can see doing it either way but I suspect the chopper driven step-up transformer design is safer and less susceptible to catastrophic failure.  For a high voltage linear pass element design, I would implement fold-back current limiting.


I am actually VERY interested in this topology. Either way, I am walking into unfamiliar terrority and am here to learn, so being above my design skills doesnt bother me too much. If noise is an issue, I can always follow the switching transformer with a linear regulator. The TDA3245 might be ideal for this application. Will be interesting to see how it responds to a short circuit...or for that matter, driving a transformer!
http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tpa3245.pdf
 

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Re: High Voltage Bench Power Supply Design
« Reply #27 on: April 01, 2018, 10:23:32 am »
Over the past few days, I have been reading about using MOSFETs as linear regulators, what to look for, and how to build and design floating regulators.

I am posting a full list of the articles I have read, and a few parts that may be ideal for this project. Of course, the idea of using an inverter topology is also fascinating to me. Maybe inverter, followed by linear regulator? Only time will tell.

Mosfets
IXTH2N150L
https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/205/Viewer-766443.pdf
IRFPG50
https://www.mouser.com/ds/2/427/91254-104428.pdf

From what I can tell, a Few IRFPG50s in parrallel would be a good option, but I would love to hear from the experts if I am missing something obvious. :-)
http://www.ixys.com/Documents/Articles/Article_Linear_Power_MOSFETs.pdf
This is the article that turned me on to those parts, they use them for a programmable resistive load at 600v and 2amps in Figure 5

Also read these artciles.
https://assets.nexperia.com/documents/application-note/AN11599.pdf
http://www.powerguru.org/how-to-make-linear-mode-work/
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.459.3616&rep=rep1&type=pdf

And here is an example circuit I have been working through, high voltage regulator with a floating opamp (I think I am pretty close to understanding how all the parts in this circuit work)
https://www.neurochrome.com/high-voltage-regulator/

Why am I posting all of this here? Well I would like more reading material suggestions, and I dont want to forget all these links!  ;D

 
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Re: High Voltage Bench Power Supply Design
« Reply #28 on: April 01, 2018, 10:31:59 am »
http://www.pmillett.com/HV_bench_supply.htm

EDIT: see also HV power supply FUG MCP 140-650 0 - 650V 200mA.
http://www.fug-elektronik.de/de/files/133000/MCP_Datenblatt.pdf
http://www.fug-elektronik.de/en/products/medium-voltage/mcp.html

EDIT 2: there is no specifications of ripple nor dynamic behaviour....Then, you could use a triac or SCR phase control .......Survive to a short circuit ? You can protect the primary of the transformer by a fuse or a circuit breaker.....only to blow a fuse will not "kill" your power supply.....A multimeter with a blown fuse is not "death"....

Thank you.
Acceptable output ripple is still TBD. I only work with vacuum tube circuits (mostly guitar amps) and most of these amps have a few v Peak to peak on the B+ supply.
As far as dynamic behavior goes, I would rather design it to be fairly slow and not overshoot. Most of the amps I work on have pretty poor power supply designs to begin with.  ;D ;D
I really need to get to the point where I start building and simulating circuits before I can decide on some numbers, but I can confidently say that my requirements are far below being "laboratory grade". Those fug power supplies are beautiful!
 

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Re: High Voltage Bench Power Supply Design
« Reply #29 on: April 01, 2018, 10:39:52 am »
Hi all,

I have a Delta Elektronika  E0300-0.1.
0-300 V 0..100 mA.

It is a Dutch psu. Based ond the same circuit the older HP powersupplies worked.

Schematics are online.

They are regulary offered online.

Why spend money I don't have on things I don't need to impress people I don't like?
 

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Re: High Voltage Bench Power Supply Design
« Reply #30 on: April 01, 2018, 10:53:31 am »
Ah good; as one professor I had, would say of his aggressively scoped (but generously curved) tests: "an opportunity to excel..." ;D

I find this design really interesting. One of the things I noticed is that the voltage regulation is done using feedback, which I am assuming compensates the nonlinear photodiodes nicely. (Atleast I am assuming they are fairly nonlinear over the full range) I wonder that the transient response of this circuit is. I am almost tempted to build it just for fun.

Actually it's... well, a couple of things:
1. Optoisolators tend to be more nonlinear due to the LEDs, actually!  This is most important to phototransistor (but I'd say not photodarlington) and photodiode (small signal) kinds.  (There's a dual-photodiode version out there, which can be used to linearize the circuit.  Photodiode current is sensed, with an opamp on each side, by keeping the diode's terminal voltage at zero, or under some reverse bias, so only the photocurrent matters.)
2. But in this case, the diodes are photovoltaic, so you have the V(I) characteristic of the diode, in parallel with the photocurrent.  (That's why a solar panel's peak power point is at ~80% of OCV, rather than 50% like a pure resistive source would be.)
3. That doesn't really matter anyway, because they're sourcing current into a B-E junction. Except not quite just that, because the emitter resistor adds some offset (which linearizes the BJT's voltage-to-current curve, but probably makes the LED-to-current curve worse because of #2!).  Ooh, good improvement here: simply return the diodes to the emitter, not to the output -- the current limiting transistor can still shunt base current to do its job, while the diodes hardly need to source any voltage at all, keeping them more linear.  Nice.
4. But even that doesn't matter, as long as the gain is modestly stable (within a factor of 2, say -- which is probably true here), and the op-amp gain is large (which it is, >10k).  Feedback accounts for that error, so that the DC error is largely due to the op-amp, not the isolation.  (At AC, where the op-amp's gain is small, the nonlinearity will be exaggerated.  You want to design the passive output filtering (bypass) to take over at this point.)

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One idea I had that may make this circuit more useful (or perhaps just make me look like a fool  ;D), couldnt this circuit be improved by using a floating opamp to drive the base of a series pass element, and then use the photo diodes into a resistor as a current to voltage converter to adjust the reference voltage going into the opamp? Okay Im just thinking out loud and this may not make sense, but I might just draw up this idea and simulate it for fun.  8)

The above, more or less addresses this case -- LED and diode nonlinearity dominate.  But also like I said, and, as long as you're taking the trouble to float op-amps up there: you can spare another op-amp, as a current-to-voltage converter (transresistance amplifier; which is better than just a resistor, because it holds its input voltage constant), and use a dual-photodiode isolator.  The LED in the isolator illuminates a diode on the LED side, and on the isolated side; they get proportionate illumination, and are matched devices, so as long as the diode environments are matched (that's the point of using the op-amp on either side), the output and input voltages will match.

Actually that implies needing two op-amps on the high side, but you can use a single amp to convert input current to output current (precision current mirror), or to output voltage (which will appear as a negative output -- arrange the feedback divider accordingly).

I guess the biggest change for you, will be: understanding DC coupling.  AC coupled amps are simple, you slap them together however as needed.  No need to worry about matching up bias voltages.  Downside: global NFB encounters an LF pole for every coupling cap or transformer in the loop.  You can get motorboating, very easily.

The most basic and powerful method, is to match up the extremes of voltage and current ranges, for each stage.

Everything takes an input voltage and current range, and everything can deliver an output voltage and current range.

To match up the output and input ranges between stages, adjust the ranges with voltage dividers, bias resistors and such.  To avoid inconvenient bias supplies or attenuation ratios (voltage dividers are signal dividers, too), choose the type of stage based on the ranges they are capable of.  (Don't forget you have complementary parts available, too!)  Usually, large resistor ratios and dummy level-shifter stages are completely avoidable!

You should only need level shifting, when you're stuck with a device of given range.  Example, a +/-15V op-amp, and a +60/0V emitter follower.  You need to add 15V to the op-amp output, to make a +30/0V range, then 2x gain to get 60V output.  You'd design with somewhat looser values (like +12V offset, and 2.5x gain), to account for op-amp saturation voltage limitations (V_OL), and component tolerances.

What you wouldn't do, is slap in a transistor and call it done.  This shows up all too often -- it's ugly, and it's easy to see why, when you look at things in this way.  Say you run a series resistor from op-amp to BJT base (emitter grounded), and a pull-up resistor on the collector (which goes to the output).  The op-amp's +/-15V range is poorly utilized: below -7V, the B-E junction is avalanching (damaging the transistor), and the op-amp has to slew its output a full ~16V before anything interesting happens (this causes many microseconds of saturation recovery -- messy!).  As the op-amp output rises above Vbe, the transistor conducts, exponentially -- meaning, gain varies exponentially too, making the loop gain unstable.  Depending on hFE and resistor values, the top 5 or 10V of the op-amp range may be useless as well, holding the transistor in saturation (incurring saturation recovery in the other direction as well!).

Yet the fix is painfully simple!  Add an emitter degeneration resistor (to VEE, rather than GND), and now the op-amp's full voltage range is usable, giving a collector current proportional to input voltage.  We still have a Vbe vs. V_OL problem, so we might offset the emitter voltage upward slightly, with a large resistor from GND or VCC to emitter.  We don't need a series base resistor, but we also don't want the full +15V range at the base, because the collector can only pull down as low; we want a 0V output range, so let's divide the op-amp output by 2, towards VEE, so it's a 0/-15V range instead.

And just like that, with the addition of four resistors, we've transformed a messy hack into a well designed level shifter!

(Do follow along this discussion with pen and paper -- I know how easy it is to miss things in a text description!)

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Re: High Voltage Bench Power Supply Design
« Reply #31 on: April 01, 2018, 11:34:22 am »
http://www.pmillett.com/HV_bench_supply.htm

EDIT: see also HV power supply FUG MCP 140-650 0 - 650V 200mA.
http://www.fug-elektronik.de/de/files/133000/MCP_Datenblatt.pdf
http://www.fug-elektronik.de/en/products/medium-voltage/mcp.html

EDIT 2: there is no specifications of ripple nor dynamic behaviour....Then, you could use a triac or SCR phase control .......Survive to a short circuit ? You can protect the primary of the transformer by a fuse or a circuit breaker.....only to blow a fuse will not "kill" your power supply.....A multimeter with a blown fuse is not "death"....

Thank you.
Acceptable output ripple is still TBD. I only work with vacuum tube circuits (mostly guitar amps) and most of these amps have a few v Peak to peak on the B+ supply.
As far as dynamic behavior goes, I would rather design it to be fairly slow and not overshoot. Most of the amps I work on have pretty poor power supply designs to begin with.  ;D ;D
I really need to get to the point where I start building and simulating circuits before I can decide on some numbers, but I can confidently say that my requirements are far below being "laboratory grade". Those fug power supplies are beautiful!
In the 70's, I designed and manufactured tube amplifiers for guitar and hi-fi.

My bench power supply was very simple: in fact, since none of the amplifiers had a regulated power supply, I thought that a regulated power supply did not make any sense because it would not behave like the definitive power supply of the amplifier....This is particulary important for B and AB class amplifiers where current consume vary with output power.

How was my HV power supply? I used a multi-tap transformer, a multi-position rotary switch, an AC side fuse, a bridge of BY100 diodes, electrolytic capacitors, an inductor, other electrolytic condensers ...
I had 2 positive outputs, one before the inductor (high ripple), another after the inductor (low ripple).

The rotary switch could  select the dc output voltage from 200 to 450Vdc approximately in jumps of about 50V .....
On front panel, I had a 500V analog voltmeter and a 250 mA analog milliammeter.

To discharge the electrolytic capacitors, there was a power  bleeder resistance.

For safety, I had a bipolar switch that cut off the AC power to the diode bridge and shorted the output with a low-value power resistor.
There was also a main switch, a "on" neon light and a high-voltage neon light.

The power supply also had 2 outputs 6.3V 5A and a negative bias output adjustable by a 2W potentiometer from 0 to -80V approximately. (unregulated)
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Re: High Voltage Bench Power Supply Design
« Reply #32 on: April 01, 2018, 11:52:40 am »
Let us remember the hybrid solution, Tube pass element driven by an optocoupler and compatible with µc control.....

EDIT: NB: current limit is only a safety feature if max current is limited to 30 mA or lower. (see schematic 30 mA HV power supply)
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Re: High Voltage Bench Power Supply Design
« Reply #33 on: April 01, 2018, 01:01:43 pm »
Those 4004's need a little boost.. but we get the idea..  :-+  better to use 4007's
 

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Re: High Voltage Bench Power Supply Design
« Reply #34 on: April 01, 2018, 01:34:21 pm »
Those 4004's need a little boost.. but we get the idea..  :-+  better to use 4007's

That's right, I used symbols of EAGLE "as is", I should have to change the name of the components....But if you look at the thread where I posted these schematics, you will understand that it was only to show the principle of working.

This has not been copied from Internet, they are my own schematics.
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Re: High Voltage Bench Power Supply Design
« Reply #35 on: April 01, 2018, 01:56:36 pm »
Using another topology is allowed?

Keithley HV digital power supply I've worked before, use a low voltage wave generator (20V~30V) to power a primary of a transformer with HV secondary. Then a voltage divider (high voltage) to sense the output voltage. That was a 5kV x 5mA or 10mA one. And after the secondary was a voltage multiplier (diodes and caps).

Using another topology is allowed?

Keithley HV digital power supply I've worked before, use a low voltage wave generator (20V~30V) to power a primary of a transformer with HV secondary. Then a voltage divider (high voltage) to sense the output voltage. That was a 5kV x 5mA or 10mA one. And after the secondary was a voltage multiplier (diodes and caps).

I like that idea.  Use this guy: https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/wurth-electronics-inc/760895431/732-5062-ND/4692724

Power a square wave from a power opamp at 100khz to the 2 12v+12v out (now being used as in), and put a bridge rectifier at the input pins (now power out) to get around 500v DC.  Basically using this switching supply transformer in reverse, but, driving a linear varying square wave to make a flat DC output which will need only 0.1uf decoupling cap + safety fixed resistor load.  With a linear amplitude square wave fed in this way, your output can go from 0v to 500v, and operate the device from a bench supply and be double isolated and no switching noise ripple since the output is always a 50/50 duty cycle full bridge rectified signal with no dead time.

I would use 2 of those TI TDA-xxxx 100watt power audio opamps to drive the thing with an MCU making the varying the amplitude of the 100khz square wave (This is not PWM), monitoring the output voltage and current.  The opamps would only operate at +/-24v and have short circuit current protection.

However, being a very safe and near self-destruct proof design (except that high voltage can still kill), if memory serves, this design is above the OP's capabilities.

I am actually VERY interested in this topology. Either way, I am walking into unfamiliar terrority and am here to learn, so being above my design skills doesnt bother me too much. If noise is an issue, I can always follow the switching transformer with a linear regulator. The TDA3245 might be ideal for this application. Will be interesting to see how it responds to a short circuit...or for that matter, driving a transformer!
http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tpa3245.pdf
Remember, you are driving that transformer with a 100khz signal.  A class D amplifier will only do audio output frequencies and it requires too many filter inductors and it's too low voltage.

Use 1 of these opamps:
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/texas-instruments/OPA541AP/OPA541AP-ND/251157  < needs more supply voltage, 10 amps max, 3 amps at 30v SOA with 85 degree case
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/texas-instruments/OPA549T/OPA549T-ND/307860     < better output swing, but, 8 amps max, around 2 amps at 30v SOA with 85 degree case

Since it is linear & 1.6mhz bandwidth & 10 amps max, you can feed it's output directly into the digikey switching transformer I mentioned.  You will need a good heatsink.  For testing, if you have a function generator with adjustable output, 1 or 2 hefty 30v-50v 5amp bench supply, I would buy the opamp and transformer and test what you can do with wiring a home brew test design.  As for the output of the transformer, you can use just a huge resistor banks to test maximum voltage under load & probe the output, but, it will be AC of course.  Get a 1kv bridge rectifier + an 0.1uf X cap as DC filter make it DC.  If you achieve you max voltage and current you want, then, we can take a look at using a microcontroller to feed the op-amp setting and regulating voltage and current.  You may also add digital display and control here.

As for the class D amp, try to find a Chinese board using the same chip in mono high power mode, with full 100Khz support, buy it and the transformer and try it that way.  Note you might be able to run or find a transformer at 50Khz or 25Khz to make it easier, but, your output AC-DC filter on the high voltage side gets a larger and larger capacitor as the frequency goes down.  This doesn't mean anything above 1-10uf, but, it means if you short your output, you will get that current surge held in a 10uf capacitor at 500v.

Remember, the switching transformer has 1 high voltage winding, 1 sense winding (do not use), and multiple matched low voltage windings.  You will select whether to wire the low voltage windings in parallel or serial depending on the op-amp voltage range.  Serial winding with higher voltage means less loss and less current through your system, but, you will need an amp with higher voltage output.

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Re: High Voltage Bench Power Supply Design
« Reply #36 on: April 01, 2018, 04:43:55 pm »
I am actually VERY interested in this topology. Either way, I am walking into unfamiliar terrority and am here to learn, so being above my design skills doesnt bother me too much. If noise is an issue, I can always follow the switching transformer with a linear regulator. The TDA3245 might be ideal for this application. Will be interesting to see how it responds to a short circuit...or for that matter, driving a transformer!

Tektronix used this inverter transformer configuration in their oscilloscope power supplies starting with the 22xx series up through the 24xx series at power levels up to about 100 watts.

Figure 26 on page 12 of Linear Technology application note 12 (1) shows a modern switching variation of this circuit which produces a 0 to 500 volt 200 milliamp output.  (2) For lower noise, the input buck switching regulator can be replaced with a linear regulator.  The output inductor shown in the schematic is for filtering and is *not* a buck inductor.

Since the transformer provides a fixed step-up ratio, current limiting could be implemented on the primary side.  Voltage regulation can also be implemented on the primary side which is what Tektronix did in most cases so the output then becomes completely isolated which will be advantageous in some applications.

The second example below shows the same idea from application note 18 with a linear regulator but power is limited by dissipation of the linear regulator.  Note the primary side current limiting.

(1) If this link still works by the time you get it.  Analog Devices is busy erasing everything Linear Technology published and discontinuing their products.

(2) I had completely forgotten that Jim Williams produced a 200 milliamp version of this circuit.  I was looking for the 0 to 1000 volt reference he designed.
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Re: High Voltage Bench Power Supply Design
« Reply #37 on: April 01, 2018, 05:20:05 pm »
Hmmm, you can replace the LT1010 + fet in that design with a logic level mosfet.
Though the idea of using a charged center tap on a transformer, raising it's VCC to gain voltage at the output is nice, it doe consume more current.

 

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Re: High Voltage Bench Power Supply Design
« Reply #38 on: April 01, 2018, 06:40:41 pm »
Yes, it's a good technology.  :-+
Let's hope that the transformer and the inductors are still available on the market.
 

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Re: High Voltage Bench Power Supply Design
« Reply #39 on: April 01, 2018, 06:43:55 pm »
Hmmm, you can replace the LT1010 + fet in that design with a logic level mosfet.

I thought that aspect of the design was a little weird.  The LT1010 is an analog power buffer so this is like driving the switching transistors with an operational amplifier albeit a fast and high current one; I think an PNP/NPN buffer would have been better but maybe Williams wanted to take advantage of the LT1010's built in current limiting.  The 74C74 high voltage CMOS flip-flop used to generate the 12 volt switching waveforms can only marginally drive the power MOSFETs without help.

Since low noise is a design objective, I would change that whole section to provide non-overlapping drive like Jim Williams suggests in the text.  There are lots of ways to do this but an inexpensive SG3525A switching regulator controller could directly drive the power MOSFETs with controlled deadtime and has its own oscillator in one chip.

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Though the idea of using a charged center tap on a transformer, raising it's VCC to gain voltage at the output is nice, it doe consume more current.

The current is increased but the lower operating voltage means the transistors avoid the secondary breakdown area of their safe operating limit curve.
 

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Re: High Voltage Bench Power Supply Design
« Reply #40 on: April 01, 2018, 07:06:20 pm »
LOL, that design is using an Audio Tube Amplifier 100 watt transformer which no longer exists.
I used to use that center-tap trick on a 60hz transformer as a 12v-120v inverter, but, it sank a ton of current for no reason just powering up.

  Feeding just the ends of the transformer with a push/pull amplifier, like the 10 amp, +/-40v op-amps I listed, wouldn't sink and waste all that current and those opamps have built in programmable current limiting capability.  Your power supply would be something like a PIC mcu with 2 DACs, 1 feeding an adjustable amplitude square or sine wave into the opamp -/+ input & the second DAC would DC feed the current limiter input pin on the op-amp programming the maximum output current.

That's your whole supply right there.  1 MCU with 2 DAC's, 10 amp opamp, 1:20 transformer (you will target +/-25v into transformer, use around +/-35v as opamp power supply), DC bridge rectifier on output with optional filter.  Also, optional voltage fed back into an ADC on the MCU to keep voltage exactly where you want it under varying loads.  +++ A good heatsink!

Obviously, you can replace the MCU with a 20-100Khz oscillator and 2 pots to set voltage and current.

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