EEVblog Electronics Community Forum

Electronics => Beginners => Topic started by: fabiodl on August 21, 2022, 10:45:40 am

Title: Is this a ceramic cap or a varistor?
Post by: fabiodl on August 21, 2022, 10:45:40 am
Is this a ceramic cap or a varistor? I have only the pic so I cannot measure.
Title: Re: Is this a ceramic cap or a varistor?
Post by: inse on August 21, 2022, 11:24:30 am
I guess it's a 390pF ceramic cap.
Title: Re: Is this a ceramic cap or a varistor?
Post by: Ian.M on August 21, 2022, 11:30:36 am
Trace separations and widths look inadequate for mains power, so the odds of it being a varistor are pretty low before you even consider the markings.
Title: Re: Is this a ceramic cap or a varistor?
Post by: fabiodl on August 21, 2022, 01:26:29 pm
Yep, it's on a 5V rail so I was 90% confident it's a cap, but even that it makes little sense.It's on the output of a LS04 on a totally logic circuit. I guess they wanted to slow down the edge.
Title: Re: Is this a ceramic cap or a varistor?
Post by: Kleinstein on August 21, 2022, 01:41:34 pm
390 pF make a lot more sense than a 390 V varistor.  Sometimes LS logic was also used for some more analog functions. Some delay of noise filtering is possible, but also just an oscillator.
Title: Re: Is this a ceramic cap or a varistor?
Post by: Ian.M on August 21, 2022, 01:45:17 pm
Yep, it's on a 5V rail so I was 90% confident it's a cap, but even that it makes little sense.It's on the output of a LS04 on a totally logic circuit. I guess they wanted to slow down the edge.
It looks like that sort of bodgery.  I'd bet there's a nasty asynch race condition somewhere upstream of it.  Typical 'design' process is late one Friday evening, with the deadline vanishing in the rear-view mirror:

Tech: "Eureka! It actually works now if I probe it here with a x1 scope probe!"  ???

Engineer: "Oh S--t!, we've got a glitch.   Its probably a race condition, but I'll need a couple of days to track it down and fix it.  May need a board re-spin."  |O

Boss:  "Hell NO!  The customer is already screaming, so its got to be done tonight. Redesign denied."  :horse:

Engineer:  Try bodging in a 39pF cap.  If it fixes it, we'll go up an order of magnitude so it *STAYS* fixed."  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Is this a ceramic cap or a varistor?
Post by: Gyro on August 21, 2022, 04:32:11 pm
That's been used as an alternative to shipping with a scope probe attached many times!  :D