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| ejeffrey:
--- Quote from: DougSpindler on April 09, 2018, 06:53:07 pm --- --- Quote from: paulca on April 09, 2018, 06:09:37 pm ---I believe "Exposure to" means "There is a present risk", not that they WILL get shocked frequently. --- End quote --- If that's what they meant, why didn't they describe the work environment and use the words "frequently" for electric shock and "constatnly" for exposure to injury from biohazzards? It's the use of the words occasionally, frequently and constantly. --- End quote --- Well, you haven't explained what the job is. If the job is working in a medical testing lab, then maybe working with biohazardous materials is a daily occurrence, but working with dangerous electrical voltages is only weekly. And yes, maybe you can complain about the exact wording, but it obviously means that you will be working in an environment with those hazards, not that you will be shocked, infected, and poisoned. Some people might decide they don't want to work around such things, so they would rather tell you before you accept the job. And of course if you accept they will tell you again -- a prerequisite to working safely is to know what the hazards are. |
| DougSpindler:
--- Quote from: Brumby on April 10, 2018, 04:10:33 am ---Where's the problem? Exposure to toxic chemicals - occasionally. Occasionally your work may put you in a position where there are toxic chemicals around. We tell you this so that you will know to take care and not carry on like an idiot - and that if you take proper precautions if you are required to work directly with them. I'd be saying this if working with things like ferric chloride or ammonium persulphate Exposure to electric shock - frequent. You are frequently going to be in situations where you could get an electric shock if you don't pay attention. How long have we been saying "One flash and you're ash"? Exposure to injury from biohazards - constantly. At all times you are going to have stuff like lead and beryllium around you. Please don't eat the solder or the thermal compound. Bring your own lunch. Bottom line: We have serious shit around here, so when we give you safety procedures to follow, you'd better bloody well follow them!! These things sound really bad - and I would suggest the shock value in how it is presented is there so that candidates actually take notice. But, put in context, I think they will not be anywhere near as bad as people are making out. --- End quote --- Why is exposure to electric shock frequent? And not constatnt? |
| gregariz:
--- Quote from: DougSpindler on April 10, 2018, 04:16:20 am --- --- Quote from: Brumby on April 10, 2018, 04:10:33 am ---Where's the problem? Exposure to toxic chemicals - occasionally. Occasionally your work may put you in a position where there are toxic chemicals around. We tell you this so that you will know to take care and not carry on like an idiot - and that if you take proper precautions if you are required to work directly with them. I'd be saying this if working with things like ferric chloride or ammonium persulphate Exposure to electric shock - frequent. You are frequently going to be in situations where you could get an electric shock if you don't pay attention. How long have we been saying "One flash and you're ash"? Exposure to injury from biohazards - constantly. At all times you are going to have stuff like lead and beryllium around you. Please don't eat the solder or the thermal compound. Bring your own lunch. Bottom line: We have serious shit around here, so when we give you safety procedures to follow, you'd better bloody well follow them!! These things sound really bad - and I would suggest the shock value in how it is presented is there so that candidates actually take notice. But, put in context, I think they will not be anywhere near as bad as people are making out. --- End quote --- Why is exposure to electric shock frequent? And not constatnt? --- End quote --- You would need to tell everyone what the job is, rather than let everyone speculate. But I will give you one example - in a mineral processing plant, it was sometimes required to clean the high tension (voltage) insulators (corona) because if they dusted up with metal based dust they would arc over, potentially damaging the insulator or cables. You know how they did it? They sprayed it with a water hose. Why are they not dead? Because they made sure they used a sprinkler head on the end of the hose so that it broke the conduction path (water stream) from the high tension to the worker spraying it. |
| DougSpindler:
--- Quote from: ejeffrey on April 10, 2018, 04:15:12 am --- --- Quote from: DougSpindler on April 09, 2018, 06:53:07 pm --- --- Quote from: paulca on April 09, 2018, 06:09:37 pm ---I believe "Exposure to" means "There is a present risk", not that they WILL get shocked frequently. --- End quote --- If that's what they meant, why didn't they describe the work environment and use the words "frequently" for electric shock and "constatnly" for exposure to injury from biohazzards? It's the use of the words occasionally, frequently and constantly. --- End quote --- Well, you haven't explained what the job is. If the job is working in a medical testing lab, then maybe working with biohazardous materials is a daily occurrence, but working with dangerous electrical voltages is only weekly. And yes, maybe you can complain about the exact wording, but it obviously means that you will be working in an environment with those hazards, not that you will be shocked, infected, and poisoned. Some people might decide they don't want to work around such things, so they would rather tell you before you accept the job. And of course if you accept they will tell you again -- a prerequisite to working safely is to know what the hazards are. --- End quote --- Job is working is at a major American company maintaining the production line and plant equipment. They make food products for human consumption. |
| ejeffrey:
Then your description makes perfect sense: Biohazard is constantly because the job is to be on the floor of a food processing plant. Food can harbor infectious disease. Electrical is frequently because you are servicing the equipment. This isn't constant, as a machine plugged in and running probably isn't considered a hazard, but you will frequently have to open the service panels or use lock-out tags. Toxic Chemicals: possibly cleaning or sterilizing chemicals, or possibly strong acids or bases that are used in food preparation. Presumably the job is not cleaning the production equipment, but occasionally while servicing some of the equipment you may have to deal with these. Think of it as "how often to I have to wear PPE or use other safety tools like lockout tags related to this type of hazard" |
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