Job posting - This is why students need to get shocked - It's required for a job

[DougSpindler]

Maybe this company is being honest in sayig employees will be constalty exposed to biohazards and shocked frequently.

This simply was written by someone who wasn’t thinking properly at the time seeing the overall style, when they simply mean that there will be exposure to equipment running on live mains voltage, probably even medium voltage

And how do you explain the constant exposure to biohazards?

Do you believe that technicians who work with biohazardous materials are routinely shoving them up their noses?

"Exposure" means "You will be near" not "You *will* contract anthrax and die".

I used to work in a place that manufactured high voltage medical equipment that stored thousands of volts in large capacitors. The service techs were all constantly exposed to shock hazards, and were trained to take proper precautions.

One day, one of the techs got shocked.

The next day, he didn't get a pat on the head and told "Welp its just part of the job." He got fired. For not following procedures and putting the company at risk.

You might want to look up the definain of exposure.

1.  the state of being exposed to contact with something

[DougSpindler]

The person in HR who was interviewing my student gave him the following job description...
...Well now it appears getting electric shocks is now a requirment for some jobs.

can you differentiate the meaning between job "description" with job "requirement"? if you cant, just PM me i can teach...

If you can teach why aren't you at school?

[DougSpindler]

Received a bit of clarification from the student on this.  Apparently employees are frequently shocked.  The humidity is quite low and static charges can buildup.

[Mechatrommer]

Apparently employees are frequently shocked.  The humidity is quite low and static charges can buildup.

bah they are all disqualified from any job around here where humidity is near 90% by which electrons can flow easily through body from ground, and its 240Vac, not 110Vac keep that in mind.

can you differentiate the meaning between job "description" with job "requirement"? if you cant, just PM me i can teach...

If you can teach why aren't you at school?

if i'm not at school, then why people at school got confused? (ps: yes in fact i am just not as a language teacher)

[paulca]

bah they are all disqualified from any job around here where humidity is near 90% by which electrons can flow easily through body from ground, and its 240Vac, not 110Vac keep that in mind.

Yea, they only put 240Vac into men's countries.  110/120V is for girls.

 

[coppice]

"Exposure" means "You will be near" not "You *will* contract anthrax and die".

Interesting way to define the word. So, if I am near power cables with thick plastic insulation, these are actually exposed wires because I am near them?

[Maxlor]

Hm the attitude in that job ad reminds me a lot of this company called Aperture Science. You, this is how things usually go there...

"Welcome test candidates to Aperture Science! You're here because we want to best, and you're the best we could get! So who's ready to do some testing, for science?

Testing candidates who volunteered for biohazard tests – please follow the orange line on the floor. Don't be alarmed when you see lab boys in hazmat suits, they're just unnecessarily squeamish about handling our testing substances. If you are too, don't worry, paper towels will be provided at the end of the tests.

Testing candidates who volunteered for electricity tests – please follow the yellow line on the floor. When you arrive at the testing machine, stick your hand into the opening of the machine.

Those of you who volunteered to be injected with praying mantis DNA, I've got some good news and some bad news. Bad news is we're postponing those tests indefinitely. Good news is we've got a much better test for you: fighting an army of mantis men. Pick up a rifle and follow the green line. You'll know when the test starts.

Cave Johnson out."

[paulca]

The cake is a lie!

[BillB]

Perhaps this is what they had in mind?

https://youtu.be/5ohlA__xABw

[paulca]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

Followed by:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

[AlfBaz]

Why is exposure to electric shock frequent? And not constatnt?

Probably because they only use AC

[Brumby]

Received a bit of clarification from the student on this.  Apparently employees are frequently shocked.  The humidity is quite low and static charges can buildup.

Here is where the applicant needed to clarify exactly what the circumstance of the "shock" risk was.

I know I'd ask - and when it was revealed they were talking about static discharge, I would have asked for a bit more detail about exactly what the circumstances were.

Ignorance of the facts leads to hypothesis often based on completely irrelevant details.

[DougSpindler]

Received a bit of clarification from the student on this.  Apparently employees are frequently shocked.  The humidity is quite low and static charges can buildup.

Here is where the applicant needed to clarify exactly what the circumstance of the "shock" risk was.

I know I'd ask - and when it was revealed they were talking about static discharge, I would have asked for a bit more detail about exactly what the circumstances were.

Ignorance of the facts leads to hypothesis often based on completely irrelevant details.

There’s a trade off.  The HR folks who are doing the job screening know nothing about the job or job skills needed for job.  If a candidate asks questions the HR people think the person will be a problem employee and reject the applicant. 

My studnets tell me most of the women doing the HR screening for technical jobs are in the 20’s.  When they interview candidates they feel as if they have the power and think they know all the answers to the technical questions.

Aren’t millennials the greatest?

[Nerull]

"Exposure" means "You will be near" not "You *will* contract anthrax and die".

Interesting way to define the word. So, if I am near power cables with thick plastic insulation, these are actually exposed wires because I am near them?

So you think that if your job was working inside industrial high voltage systems all day, your job would not consist of "Exposure to electric shock hazards" unless you actually took an arcflash to the face every once in a while?

[coppice]

"Exposure" means "You will be near" not "You *will* contract anthrax and die".

Interesting way to define the word. So, if I am near power cables with thick plastic insulation, these are actually exposed wires because I am near them?

So you think that if your job was working inside industrial high voltage systems all day, your job would not consist of "Exposure to electric shock hazards" unless you actually took an arcflash to the face every once in a while?

I do expect to be exposed to the risk of electric shock, but not just because I'm near something. Most times I am near something electrical I expect to be protected from it by insulation, and only exposed to risk under exceptional circumstances. If I'm exposed to anthrax I expect to die.

[DougSpindler]

Not everyone who is exposed to something dies.  Anthrax included.

[Brumby]

There’s a trade off.  The HR folks who are doing the job screening know nothing about the job or job skills needed for job.  If a candidate asks questions the HR people think the person will be a problem employee and reject the applicant.

If the questions are reasonable and asked politely, then I would have a real problem if that were the case.  If I were conducting such an interview, such questions would actually tell me something useful about the applicant.

My studnets tell me most of the women doing the HR screening for technical jobs are in the 20’s.  When they interview candidates they feel as if they have the power and think they know all the answers to the technical questions.

Aren’t millennials the greatest?

No comment.

[Mechatrommer]

If a candidate asks questions the HR people think the person will be a problem employee and reject the applicant.

application rejected find another job, you are not the only one, Good grieve. tell them there are more profitable career out there one of it depending on the location probably is selling burger and ice cream...

[EEVblog]

I believe "Exposure to" means "There is a present risk", not that they WILL get shocked frequently.

If that's what they meant, why didn't they describe the work environment and use the words "frequently" for electric shock and "constatnly" for exposure to injury from biohazzards?
It's the use of the words occasionally, frequently and constantly.

This is like the Californian law that says you have to have labeling on almost every product that is may cause cancer.

[DougSpindler]

My kids don’t have any such label.  I think those labels are attached to things which are known to cause cancer in people.

[Mechatrommer]

so there biohazard only for the handicapped?


or for kids who want to go to Disneyland?

[ebastler]

Geez...  I had seen those "proposition 65" notices on products, and on restaurants referring to the food they serve -- but I was not aware that they can be required to warn you about whole "areas".

What's the dangerous substance there? Asphalt?! 

[paulca]

What's the dangerous substance there? Asphalt?! 

Californian hipster bullshit.  It's deadly stuff.

[DougSpindler]

Geez...  I had seen those "proposition 65" notices on products, and on restaurants referring to the food they serve -- but I was not aware that they can be required to warn you about whole "areas".

What's the dangerous substance there? Asphalt?! 

No silly, lawyers.  The lawyers are in partnership with the sign manufactures.

I was in a local Orchard (Lowes) Supply hardware store.  On the refrigator with all of the Coke’s inside was a the same warning label.

Got one better for you.  Local small nursery which sells plants had been around for 12 years just went out of business.  The reason, the bathroom.  To enter the bathroom one had to climb one step.  If you were in a wheel chair you cold not use the bathroom.  The building was built in the 1950s-1960s.  Cost to make the bathroom wheelchair accessible was well over $100,000.  The nursery is on a slight grade.  So for wheelchair access grading, and ramps would have to be installed which would have grealty reduced his inventory space.  In the dozen years he had been in business not one customer ever shopped there in a wheelchair.  And they couldn’t as the property and parking is on a grade.

Hope you know what happened.  The guy and lawyer who have been suing California businesses for over 20 years for non-handicap compliance paid them visit.  Not to shop, but to sue....  And they did.  He closed and our community lost a nice local business and 6 people are now unemployed.

But wait, it gets better.  At my kid’s elementary school, built in the late 1950s the school had to install an elevator so if a kid was in a wheelchair they cold be on the stage in the auditorium.  As I recall the school/tax payers spent $500,000 to install a custom wheel chair elevator and make it kid proof so a kid would not get squished when the elevator is in operation.

That was 20 years ago.  The thing has never been used.  And last time I. Looked the key to operate it was missing and no one knows where it is.  So even if someone needs to use it they can’t.

Lawyers need to make a living too, right?

[Brumby]

Fire up a Kickstarter to produce those signs in bulk.  If you can get backing for a few hundred thousand, then just saturate the state.

Destroy the credibility by desensitisation.



But somehow I think it's already heading that way on its own.