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radiolistener:

--- Quote from: tooki on June 03, 2019, 11:35:31 am ---And besides, the markets have spoken: most consumers don't want quality. They want cheap.

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Yeah thats true, because they don't want to think more deep. This is why so many peoples eat harmful and dangerous food. So, there is need for government policy to prohibit the production or import of low-quality products.

Thats so easy to understand - with no quality control you will get a lot of trash and entire world will turns into large waste dump. Just see on the China products, most of which doesn't pass quality control, and you get a piece of cheap garbage.

wraper:

--- Quote from: radiolistener on June 03, 2019, 11:40:15 am ---
--- Quote from: tooki on June 03, 2019, 11:35:31 am ---What's the point in designing a cellphone to last for 10 years and be super-durable

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The point to design such cellphones is to save environment. It will not turns into trash after 1-2 years, so you can continue to use it or just sell it and buy something new if you don't like to use the same thing for a long time. But such cellphones will not give much money for manufacturers. And this is why they design cellphone which will fails after 1-2 years and repair will be impossible.

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They don't fail that often unless it's mechanical or liquid damage, or worn battery. Broken display or battery are completely fixable. People generally change phones not because they failed but because they are no more fancy enough for them after a year or two.

tooki:

--- Quote from: radiolistener on June 03, 2019, 11:40:15 am ---
--- Quote from: tooki on June 03, 2019, 11:35:31 am ---What's the point in designing a cellphone to last for 10 years and be super-durable

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The point to design such cellphones is to save environment. It will not turns into trash after 1-2 years, so you can continue to use it or just sell it and buy something new if you don't like to use the same thing for a long time. But such cellphones will not give much money for manufacturers. And this is why they design cellphone which will fails after 1-2 years and repair will be impossible.

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Except they don't fail after 1-2 years. We all have drawers full of old, fully working smartphones that are simply too slow for modern apps.

Your entire argument is based on premises that are absolutely false.

Shock:

--- Quote from: radiolistener on June 03, 2019, 11:40:15 am ---The point to design such cellphones is to save environment. It will not turns into trash after 1-2 years, so you can continue to use it or just sell it and buy something new if you don't like to use the same thing for a long time. But such cellphones will not give much money for manufacturers. And this is why they design cellphone which will fails after 1-2 years and repair will be impossible.

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Cheap junk fails fast, most people can't tell the difference. There are quality brands but in most cases they are more expensive so not everyone can afford them and the average joe thinks they are getting the same for less.

Just look at all the people buying from Aliexpress etc here, sure there might be some good products but a lot of it is cheap shit that people go crazy over. Never brought anything off Aliexpress, in fact I think I've purchased under 10 made for China products total (I'm by no means a troglodyte though).

All a government needs to say is warranties should be lasting with no faults and the whole problem is fixed.

Oh shit! Looks like Australia already does this, must be living in the right place.
https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/consumer-rights-guarantees/consumer-guarantees

Actually through their own ignorance many people aren't even aware this law exists here. Who would have thought if you want long lasting buy Australian. :)

ptricks:
I worked in the consumer electronics industry. It isn't about planned obsolescence, the idea never came up, instead it was about cutting every penny possible without incurring new expense from returns in the warranty time.  The warranty time was all about the no income side of the product, the millions in cost from customers after the sale.
The thing consumers forget is that for things to keep running when they do need repair you need parts and someone has to stock those parts. Try to figure out the cost on making a product, then storing, maintaining and selling those parts for everything you make for years and years, nobody can stay in business unless you have very few products.  Instead you estimate what most likely will fail and stock those for what amount time is economically feasible, usually the warranty period.   The less likely a part is to fail the less of that part that is stored, things like the actual tv case, the frame of an appliance, etc.

If you buy a product you really like and want to keep it for years I suggest you buy the replacement parts before it breaks as they probably will not be sold when you need them.


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