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Re: Make Electronics book 2nd edition components list?
« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2019, 05:12:26 pm »
Looks like there are no single digit 7-segment displays available from Tayda.  Digikey has lots of them but not the recommended part numbers from the book:

Avago HDSP-513A (preferred)
Lite-On LTS-546AWC
Kingbright SC56-11EWA


What I notice about the recommended part numbers:

10-DIP (0.6", 15.24mm) package
Common cathode or common anode (doesn't seem to matter)
They are ordered according to power dissipation

The book specifications are:

0.56" digital height (this shouldn't matter at all)
low current red
2V forward voltage
5mA forward current (same situation as for low forward current LED's mentioned in a previous post)

Meeting all the requirements, only Kingbright parts were available at Digikey.  I chose the Kingbright SC56-11SRWA, which is common cathode.
 

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Re: Make Electronics book 2nd edition components list?
« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2019, 05:13:57 pm »
"SN" is just a prefix TI puts on their 74HCxx chips:

https://www.mouser.com/Semiconductors/Logic-ICs/Logic-Gates/_/N-581znZ1yzvvqx?P=1z0z63x&Keyword=74hc00&FS=True

The suffixes "E4" and "N" refer to other manufacturing characteristics like RoHS compliance, lead- (or not-lead) free, etc.

A quick look on Mouser isn't showing any DIP packages for the 74HCxx stuff. 

Maybe that look was a bit too quick then? While the selection of 74 series chips has shrunk over the years (no matter in in which package), those which are still available are also available in DIP packages. And of course Mouser has them too:
https://eu.mouser.com/Semiconductors/Integrated-Circuits-ICs/Logic-ICs/_/N-6j77x?P=1z0z63xZ1z0y3hmZ1z0xt33

Yep, I missed that.  The book covers that too, but I forgot about it.   :palm:

Being that I am buying the bulk of parts from Tayda, I think I will make up carts at both Mouser and Digikey to see how much things add up to.  I don't expect to see a great difference, but maybe there are other considerations to think about, such as availability of all required parts from either store.

I also noticed that I missed some components from the book when making my list.  I will have to double and triple check over that, else the results could be disastrous, such as paying maybe $10 more in shipping!  But I'm around 3/4 way through finding the components on my list so far (with lots of extras) and my total is around $35 (not including taxes and shipping).  But wire alone will be another $15-20.  And I think that I don't need any tools mentioned in the book, as I already have them.  I do expect that the grand total will be under $100, which sure beats those kit prices, where multiple kits are required.  But more importantly, I am finding out lots of small things along the way about choosing various components.
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Re: Make Electronics book 2nd edition components list?
« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2019, 05:42:33 pm »
Being that I will save some money over buying kits, I think I will add some components to my list to tinker with or burn-out:

Various sensors, such as thermistors, photoresistors, piezos, hall sensors, ?
Power transistors, heatsinks, opamps, ?
D flip-flops, multiplexers/demultiplexers, ?

Any interesting component suggestions for a beginner and supporting components welcome.
 

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Re: Make Electronics book 2nd edition components list?
« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2019, 06:13:39 pm »
I’m not sure the scope of the book but I’d run through them on topic to start with and then worry about that. Many years ago I didn’t do that and ended up on numerous tangents which were expensive and time consuming.

Once you’ve done those books it’s worth looking at Learning The Art of Electronics which is a little more advanced. The analogue section in that has a few design and build projects which are pretty good such as a light wave audio link and PID control of motors etc
 

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Re: Make Electronics book 2nd edition components list?
« Reply #29 on: September 13, 2019, 06:18:46 pm »
In this thread I put together a Mouser order for a collection of "classic" op amps.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/where-to-buy-opamps-and-other-useful-ic-assortment-kit-components-in-the-usa/msg2664363/#msg2664363

They are kinda expensive from Mouser, and if Tayda has them for cheaper I wouldn't hesitate to buy from them.

Almost everything Tayda sells is of interest / fun for the hobbyist. At $.10 a piece why not buy a couple of thermistors to play around with?

If you want to prioritize your purchases I think you'll find more beginner-level applications / circuits that involve opto-electronics, and that means parts like:

- photo-transistors
- IR leds
- LDRs - light dependent resistors
- IR receiver/demodulator module
- optocouplers / photo-interruptors

Check out Tayda's optical sensor page:

https://www.taydaelectronics.com/sensors-transducer/optical-sensor.html

Have a look at the circuits in this book, and it'll give you an idea of what other components you might want to get:

http://www.n5dux.com/ham/files/pdf/Forrest%20Mims%20-%20Optoelectronics%20Circuits.pdf
 

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Re: Make Electronics book 2nd edition components list?
« Reply #30 on: September 14, 2019, 06:28:27 am »
bd139, admittedly I haven't had time yet to look over all the projects in the book.  But from what I gather, the general scope of it is to give the reader some familiarity with some basic circuits and constructing them (analog and digital) and ending at doing some basic stuff with an arduino.  It seems to be a sort of bird's eye view and primer of general electronics.   There probably isn't anything terribly exciting in it, but I figured that to get going again with electronics I should jump back to the beginning and have some fun with it.  I took some electronics classes years ago and very little of it was hands on, mostly theory, very rushed, and poorly directed.  And it put me off from continuing with electronics since.  I figure I will approach it this time like a curious kid, and I wish that this sort of book existed back when my interest in electronics originally sparked.  I do have old copies of the Art of Electronics (text and student manual), but it is way over my head at this point.  And it was way over my head when I picked it up some years ago.  But you know, I picked it up a week or so ago just to have a look, and it didn't seem nearly as alien as I remember it being.

Ledtester, I will take a good look at the optical stuff, which I hadn't really considered other than wanting to get a couple of photoresistors to look at lcd display pwm frequencies and for just playing around with.  I didn't know that phototransistors even exist.  I'll look over that thread and the Mims book.

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Re: Make Electronics book 2nd edition components list?
« Reply #31 on: September 14, 2019, 03:03:54 pm »
Continuing on with the component gathering today, I couldn't find a suitable relay at Tayda.  The requirements are 9VDC coil, DPDT.  Highly recommended part numbers (because of pin layouts) in order:

Omron G5V-2-H1-DC9 (preferred)
Axicom V23105-A5006-A201
Fujitsu RY-9W-K

The Omron is part # is $3.18 at Digikey and Mouser.  2 required.

Also, no high-impedance earphone available form Tayda, Digikey, or Mouser.

And no neodymium magnets available at Tayda.  I didn't find any magnets at Mouser, but maybe my searching wasn't effective.  Digikey has lots of them starting at $0.23 each.  The book suggests K&J Magnetics for magnet info and purchase:  http://www.kjmagnetics.com/neomaginfo.asp
Further reading about the projects using magnets, one experiment uses a 3/16" by 1.5" magnet and 200 feet of 26 gauge to 22 gauge  of wire.  Another experiment uses a 3/4" by 1" magnet and 350 feet of 26 gauge magnet wire.  Another uses a 5/8" by 1" magnet and 500 feet of magnet wire.  I think that these experiments aren't really worth the cost of the supplies.  The experiments amount to dropping magnets through coils of wire to light led's and to charge a capacitor.  This also reaffirms that I should glance over all the projects in the book to find out if some of the experiments are trivial enough to cull some components from my list.
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Re: Make Electronics book 2nd edition components list?
« Reply #32 on: September 14, 2019, 03:21:15 pm »
9v relay and high impedance earphones?! Who the hell wrote that book?!?

9v relay you can use a 6v with a series resistor. You’d have to experiment with the value.

High impedance earphones are dead and gone. You can get the pink things still on amazon and aliexpress etc but they barely work properly.

I’m going to get the PDF of this and have a look.

Amazon sell those magnets as well I think.
 

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Re: Make Electronics book 2nd edition components list?
« Reply #33 on: September 14, 2019, 03:56:33 pm »
bd139, see updated post above.

I think that any author of a beginner electronics book such as this one would do good to think about component counts and costs for design of the example circuits.  From that mindset, I think that the components list could have likely been whittled way down while still effectively getting the points of the experiments across.  Maybe part of the design of this book is in the selling of kits.  I don't know, really.  But just as an example, by the point in the book that these magnet experiments come up (experiment 27) transistors have been used and it seems that a circuit involving a transistor could have been used for amplifying the effects of very small and cheap magnets passing through very small coils.  Or the same using the LM386 opamp in an experiment just a couple of experiments later.

As an example of experiment cost in this book, dropping a magnet through a a coil of magnet wire could cost around $30-40.   :-//

Cue the Asian father:  Why so expensive?
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Re: Make Electronics book 2nd edition components list?
« Reply #34 on: September 14, 2019, 04:28:33 pm »
On use of the high-impedance earphone, a couple of pages later in an 'Enhancement' section it is suggested that if you have a problem hearing anything through your earphone to try using a piezo.  Why not just use a piezo in the first place?  It seems to me that a piezo or two would be good to have on hand any way for general vibration sensing, although I don't see piezo's listed in the components or used elsewhere in the book.
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Re: Make Electronics book 2nd edition components list?
« Reply #35 on: September 14, 2019, 04:39:50 pm »
bd139, see updated post above.

I think that any author of a beginner electronics book such as this one would do good to think about component counts and costs for design of the example circuits.  From that mindset, I think that the components list could have likely been whittled way down while still effectively getting the points of the experiments across.  Maybe part of the design of this book is in the selling of kits.  I don't know, really.  But just as an example, by the point in the book that these magnet experiments come up (experiment 27) transistors have been used and it seems that a circuit involving a transistor could have been used for amplifying the effects of very small and cheap magnets passing through very small coils.  Or the same using the LM386 opamp in an experiment just a couple of experiments later.

As an example of experiment cost in this book, dropping a magnet through a a coil of magnet wire could cost around $30-40.   :-//

Cue the Asian father:  Why so expensive?

It's from the Make lot which was all about making money so you're probably right. You're learning though which is a good thing :)

I tend to push people towards Earl Boyson's "Complete Electronics Self-Teaching Guide with Projects". PDF here: https://gurusaiprasanth.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/complete-electronics-self-teaching-guide-with-projects-honest.pdf
 

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Re: Make Electronics book 2nd edition components list?
« Reply #36 on: September 14, 2019, 04:59:06 pm »
A good source of neodymium magnets are old hard drives:

https://youtu.be/uSjxLH7vWUM

For a cool way to power an LED (also see attached pdf):

835326-0

For the relay, as bd139 said, a lower voltage relay (e.g. 5V, 6V) can be made to work. There's no need to get them from a first-line distributor. New old-stock relays will work just fine for your projects. Even pulls from old equipment will be fine.

If you want to experiment with generating electricity with moving magnets, just look for a DIY dynamo project such as:

https://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Dynamo-Easily

or

https://youtu.be/BFvjqZTCqP4
 

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Re: Make Electronics book 2nd edition components list?
« Reply #37 on: September 14, 2019, 05:14:46 pm »
bd139, see updated post above.

I think that any author of a beginner electronics book such as this one would do good to think about component counts and costs for design of the example circuits.  From that mindset, I think that the components list could have likely been whittled way down while still effectively getting the points of the experiments across.  Maybe part of the design of this book is in the selling of kits.  I don't know, really.  But just as an example, by the point in the book that these magnet experiments come up (experiment 27) transistors have been used and it seems that a circuit involving a transistor could have been used for amplifying the effects of very small and cheap magnets passing through very small coils.  Or the same using the LM386 opamp in an experiment just a couple of experiments later.

As an example of experiment cost in this book, dropping a magnet through a a coil of magnet wire could cost around $30-40.   :-//

Cue the Asian father:  Why so expensive?

It's from the Make lot which was all about making money so you're probably right. You're learning though which is a good thing :)

I tend to push people towards Earl Boyson's "Complete Electronics Self-Teaching Guide with Projects". PDF here: https://gurusaiprasanth.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/complete-electronics-self-teaching-guide-with-projects-honest.pdf

I have ran across that book a few times.  One thing about it is that reviewers mention lots of errors and poor organization.  I can't speak on that, but the publisher does have an errata, breadboard photos, and a complete parts list here:  https://www.buildinggadgets.com/complete-electronics.htm

It does look like an interesting 'adult' electronics book.  I guess I worry a bit about the mentions of poor organization, as well as the mentions in amazon reviews about Vine reviews being used to inflate the book rating.  On that last point in general, it is a hell of a world that we are living in today, where trust and integrity seems to have gone out the window in favor of appearances and profits.  This applies to all products and reviews today, where reviews can be used to manipulate the numbers for making poor products look good and good products to look bad.  And that further applies to everything today, not just products.  For that reason, I tend to not put too much weight into product reviews, much preferring to have back and forth discussion.

Have you read through this book?  If so, what did you think of it?  I could see the requirement for an oscilloscope and signal generator being a turn-off for some people.  But I'm ass-backward in lots of things, so I acquired an oscilloscope and signal generator before even buying any components to start in on constructing circuits.  My reason for doing so is that I tend to like to look at things I am learning pretty thoroughly (to my own satisfaction), and I figured that having an oscilloscope and signal generator would allow me to get a good look at everything along the way, even if it isn't 'required' to do so.  That was one issue I had with taking classes at the local college.  There was no time for asking too many questions, doing hands-on experiments, and just generally thinking outside the box of textbook explanations.

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Re: Make Electronics book 2nd edition components list?
« Reply #38 on: September 14, 2019, 06:24:22 pm »
Errata is almost always necessary. The same is true even of some of the more trustworthy books, including Learning the Art of Electronics which has an errata list a mile long! One of the killers is some of the publishers don't produce errata or care if the book is incorrect. Pearson are well known for that. I don't expect 100% correctness but I do expect the author to care about it and publish this externally.

As for Amazon reviews, you're right. It's a minefield. Fortunately there are people out there working on that: https://www.fakespot.com/ :)

On the book itself, you're right about the thing being a turn off for a lot of people. A scope and function generator is minimally required to get a feel for things however and I'm not sure I could do without mine at all on a daily basis. On top of that is a power supply. Eventually you end up with an absolute pile of test gear and join the TEA thread  :-DD.

I did indeed read through the book. The contents are pretty good. They give you a more intuitive feeling for the parts you are using which is a good foundation for The Art of Electronics. But it stops dead at the end of basic analogue electronics. There is no digital in it at all.

I'd really like to see some material that sits in the gap between "I know nothing" and "Learning the Art of Electronics".

I had a sit down earlier and scanned through the Make Electronics book and honestly though it's pretty good and probably fits in that gap nicely. I'd avoid sticking too rigorously to the exact parts and specifications and see if you can improvise in a few places as well. They seem to want to illustrate something in a very rigid way but I probably wouldn't stick it it (and blow something up in my face but that's how some of us learn  :-DD)
 

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Re: Make Electronics book 2nd edition components list?
« Reply #39 on: September 14, 2019, 06:40:06 pm »
Errata is almost always necessary. The same is true even of some of the more trustworthy books, including Learning the Art of Electronics which has an errata list a mile long! One of the killers is some of the publishers don't produce errata or care if the book is incorrect. Pearson are well known for that. I don't expect 100% correctness but I do expect the author to care about it and publish this externally.

As for Amazon reviews, you're right. It's a minefield. Fortunately there are people out there working on that: https://www.fakespot.com/ :)

On the book itself, you're right about the thing being a turn off for a lot of people. A scope and function generator is minimally required to get a feel for things however and I'm not sure I could do without mine at all on a daily basis. On top of that is a power supply. Eventually you end up with an absolute pile of test gear and join the TEA thread  :-DD.

I did indeed read through the book. The contents are pretty good. They give you a more intuitive feeling for the parts you are using which is a good foundation for The Art of Electronics. But it stops dead at the end of basic analogue electronics. There is no digital in it at all.

I'd really like to see some material that sits in the gap between "I know nothing" and "Learning the Art of Electronics".

I had a sit down earlier and scanned through the Make Electronics book and honestly though it's pretty good and probably fits in that gap nicely. I'd avoid sticking too rigorously to the exact parts and specifications and see if you can improvise in a few places as well. They seem to want to illustrate something in a very rigid way but I probably wouldn't stick it it (and blow something up in my face but that's how some of us learn  :-DD)

My loose plan is to go through the two Make books, and then go through another book that I found titled 'Essence of Analog Electronics'.  I haven't seen that book mentioned anywhere, but after running into it and giving it a good look over it seems like it will be worth the time.  Although, there are no project examples, parts lists, or anything like that.  I may end up checking out the book you mentioned instead, after the Make books.  And I do have what seems to be a good digital text titled 'Digital Electronics' by William Kleitz.  I found it after looking through an instructor's bookshelf while I was taking a digital electronics class.  The text that we used was miserably bad, having so many errors and organization issues that the class and instructor nearly completely ditched it.  The instructors had no real say in the choice of textbooks, though.  The instructor of my DC class did pretty much completely ditch the textbook, pulling from photocopies of materials that he had collected over decades from various sources.  He was the only good instructor that I had there, and he told me that he was requested to return to the school after retiring to help get students primed into the school's other electronics classes and programs (the old trick of a first good chapter or two in a book, with the rest being crap, but using a good instructor instead).  Poor textbooks was a major issue with taking classes there, too.  The director over the electronics classes and programs did a piss poor job of selecting textbooks.  No wonder everyone in their electronics programs was failing exit exams.  Any way, I found the explanations in that book by Kleitz to be much better than the class text, and I bought a used copy for myself for a couple of bucks after completing that class in case I ever wanted to go back to re-learning that topic.  It might be pretty dated by now, though.

I suppose the Art of Electronics book tries to fill the gap between an all theory-based textbook and a hands-on book.   It's too bad that there aren't other books out there that try to do that on the level of absolute beginners.
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Re: Make Electronics book 2nd edition components list?
« Reply #40 on: September 15, 2019, 04:47:41 pm »
Anyone know a place to get unplated perfboard?  What little I see of it on Digikey and Ebay is a little pricey.  I suppose that plated perfboard would do just as well though.
 

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« Reply #41 on: September 15, 2019, 05:52:08 pm »
Parts Express has some more reasonably priced bare perforated board.  I think I will just get some plated perfboard from Tayda for now, though.
 

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« Reply #42 on: September 15, 2019, 09:03:29 pm »
I think I'm about done with getting things together (wheww!).  That was about 4 days of looking things over, discussion in this thread, searching, and shopping.

Here is my edited list obtained from the tables and paragraphs in the back of the book and by looking over some of the projects where I felt it to be necessary.  A few odds and ends will likely still need to be obtained (such as small sections of pvc pipe), but this at least gives someone an idea of the bulk components list.  But I could have missed some components.  If anyone notices any issues, please let me know so that I can update it.

Neodymium magnets
   Might be prohibitively expensive (maybe consider experiments using these as optional)
   
   K&J Magnetics suggested in U.S.; Supermagnet.de popular in Europe
   
   Cylindrical, 3/16" diameter, 1.5" length, axially magnetized
   Quantity of 1
   
   Cylindrical 3/4" diameter, 1" length (minimum dimensions), axially magnetized
   Quantity of 1
      Note:  A neodymium of these minimum dimensions is expensive
   
   Note:  Also see OPTIONAL COMPONENTS SECTION below on 5/8" by 2" magnet

Wire
   Solid core 22 awg (solid core 22 awg automotive wire is acceptable)
   At least 2 colors (prefereably 4 colors)
   75 feet in 3 colors (25 feet each color) recommended if not doing inductor experiments
   200 feet required if doing inductor experiments (different colors can be joined temporarily and later reused)
   16 guage 50-100 feet preferred (solid or stranded)
      Note:  16 guage only required for antennae in experiment 31
      If cost is prohibitive, optionally use 50-100 feet of 22 guage wire on hand (antennae results may suffer)
   
   25 feet raw hookup wire recommended for making breadboard jumpers; See Breadboard section of this list
   
   NOte:  Also see OPTIONAL COMPONENTS SECTION below on magnet wire
   
Test leads
   1" alligator clips at both ends
   12-15", no longer
   at least 3 red and 3 black
   
Alligator clips
   Copper
   Note:  Used as small clip-on heatsinks when soldering components
      
Solder
   Lead or lead-free rosin core
   0.02" to 0.04" (0.5mm to 1mm) diameter
   At least 3 feet
   
Heatshrink tubing
   Assortment of 3 or 4 small sizes, considering wire guages that will be used
   
Breadboard
   Ideally 700 points, single or dual bus
   Quantity of 1 required, but get 2 or 3 if budget allows
   
   Whatever jumpers you like (Dupont wire, jumper kit, diy from 22 guage solid wire)
   
Resistors
   1/4 watt
   10% accurancy
   Any manufacturer
   10 of each value
      47
      100
      150
      330
      680
      1k
      2.2k
      4.7k
      6.8k
      10k
      47k
      100k
      220k
      330k
      470k
      1M
   20 of this value
      470
      
   Note:  Metal film is ok for all resistors
      
Potentiometers
   Full-size 1K
   1" preferred, but down to 1/2" acceptable
   Other parameters unimportant (shaft size, voltage rating, etc.)
   Quantity of 2
   
Trimmer potentiometers
   Single-turn
   Multiples of 0.1" spacing (2.54mm to 2.5mm)
   1 value each
      500k
      100k
      20k or 25k
      
Thermistors
   Vishay 01-T-1002-FP recommended
   Substitutions should be 10K NTC-type rated at 1% or 5% accuracy with wire leads
      
Capacitors
   At least 16VDC (higher is ok)
   Any manufacturer
   
   Radial (for values 10uF and up)
      10 of each value
         10uF
      5 of each value
         100uF
         220uF
      2 of each value
         15uF
         22uF
         68uF
         1000uF
      1 of each value
         33uF
         
   Ceramic (for values below 10uF)
      5 of each value
         0.022uF
         0.047uF
         0.33uF
         1uF
         2.2uF
         3.3uF
      10 of each value
         0.01uF
         0.1uF
         
   Note:  Electrolytic, ceramic, or tantalum are ok; can add values and mix types for hard to find values
      
Batteries
   9V
      alkaline or rechargeable
   9V connector
      quantity of 3 recommended (for leaving attached to various circuits)
   1.5V
      alkaline only
   `   quantity of 2
   1.5V AA battery holder (for 1 battery)
      quantity of 1
      
Power supply
   Universal recommended (3V, 4.5V, 5V, 6V, 9V, 12V DC); 9V DC is acceptable
   At least 500mA rating
   Plug will be cut off, so plug type doesn't matter
   
Fuses
   Note:  Book errata correction from 3A to 1A https://www.oreilly.com/catalog/errata.csp?isbn=0636920031826
   1A
   Voltage rating unimportant
   Automotive blade type preferred
      Alternatively, 2AG fast blow cartidge fuse
   quantity of 2
   
Toggle switches
   Ideally panel-mount type with screw terminals (pins or solder lugs acceptable)
   SPDT or DPDT is ok
   Other parameters unimportant
   Quantity of 2
   
Tactile switches
   2 pins 0.2" (5mm) apart
   Quantity of 8
   
Slide switches
   SPDT
   3 pins spaced 0.1"
   EG1218 by E-switch or NKK CS12ANW03 recommended
   other parameters not important
   quantity of 2
   
Semiconductors
   Diodes
      1N4001
      quantity of 8-10
      
      1N4148
      quanityt of 8-10
      
   Germanium diode (no part number specified)
      quantity of 1
      
   LED (generic)
      5mm or 3mm leads (5mm easier to handle; 3mm fit in tighter spaces)
      typical forward voltage of 2V, typical forward current of 20mA
      quantity of 6
   LED (low current)
      3.5mA or less forward current
      quantity of 15
   Note:  See discussion in this thread about low current LED's
   https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/make-electronics-book-2nd-edition-components-list/25/
      
   7-segment display
      LED type
      0.56" height
      Low-current red preferred; 2V forward voltage, 5mA forward current
      Avago HDSP-512A preferred, or Lite-On LTS-546AWC, or Kingbright SC56-11EWA, or similar
      quantity of 3
      Note:  See above discussion about low current LED's

   Transistors
      2N2222 or PN2222 or PN2222A
      Black plastic or metal casing is ok
      Note:  P2N2222 or P2N2222A are NOT acceptable

   Note:  Use DIP packages, any manufacturer, for the following (also called PDIP, DIP-14, DIP-16, through-hole)
   
   LM386 (amplifier)
   LM7805 (voltage regulator)

   74 series logic (TTL chips not recommended)
      74HC00 2-input NAND
      74HC08 2-input AND
      74HC32 2-input OR
      74HC02 2-input NOR
      74HC27 3-input NOR
      74HC393 counter
      quantity of 1 each required (buy at least 1 extra of each in case of failures)
      
   4062B counter
      quantity of 3
   
   555 Timer (TTL version, also called bipolar, NOT the CMOS version)
      quantity of 4
   
Relays
   Omron G5V-2-H1-DC9 highly preferred because of varying relay pin layouts
   Also Axicom V23105-A5006-A201 or Fujitsu RY-9W-K are suitable
   9VDC DPDT
   Quantity 2
   
Speaker
   Small, cheap, 2" minimum (will be destroyed)
   No specifications in the components list at back of book
   Note:  At least 1 experiment specifies an 8 ohm 4" miniumum diameter speaker

Arduino Uno
   R3 or later
   Book recommends to buy genuine Arduino to support development
   
//------------ OPTIONAL COMPONENTS SECTION BEGIN ----------------------------------

Magnets
   5/8" diameter, 2" length (books states excellent results using these dimensions)
   Note:  A neodymium of these dimensions is expensive (optional experiment using magnet wire below)

Wire
   25 feet stranded
      General use for flexible connections; no guage specified; no projects specified
   
   Magnet wire (optional experiment, using 5/8" by 2" neodymium)
      26 guage
      500 feet
   
   Not mentioned in parts list but mentioned in an optional experiment
      Cylindrical 3/4" by 1", axially magnetized, quanity of 1
      
   Note:  Experiments using neodymium magnets involve dropping magnets through wire coils to generate electricity
   Might be fun, but maybe not worth the materials + shipping cost
   
Headers (IS optional)
   Example parts numbers
      
Perforated board (SEEMS optional)
   Unplated 4" x 8"
      Note:  Might be hard to find and expensive
   Plated, traces same pattern as breadboard
      No quantity specified
   
Machine screws (SEEMS optional)
   #4 size flat-headed
   3/8" and 1/2" sizes
   With nuts with nylon inserts
   No quantities specified

Project box (SEEMS optional, but book says that it is essential)
   Abs plastic
   6" long, 3" wide, 2" high
   Quantity of 1
   
High-impedance earphone (also called crystal radio earphone; seems optional)
   quantity of 1
   Note:  Book says that a piezo might work better here
   
//------------ OPTIONAL COMPONENTS SECTION END ------------------------------------
   
Locally found items
   Galvanized angle brackets
      1"
      Quantity of 4
      Note: Pipe straps and hanger straps are an acceptable alternative
   Polypropylene or nylon rope
      10 feet
      
   Lemon juice
      Undiluted, unsweetened
   Deionized water (distilled water)
   
Tools (Some required; some recommended)
   Multimeter
   Safety glasses
      ANSI Z87 rating
      Avoid tinted glasses
   Long-nosed pliers
      5" end to end
      Flat inside jaw, not round
   Wire cutters (also called side-cutters)
   Flush cutters (optional)
   Wire strippers
      Specific sized holes for wire guages
      22-guage recommended
   Low-Power soldering iron
      15 watt
      Plated, slender, conical tip
   General-duty soldering iron
      30 or 40 watt
   Soldering iron stand
   Desoldering equipment
   Helping hand
   Minigrabbers
   Heatgun
   Miniature Saw and handle
      #15 X-Acto blade preferred
      #234 or #239 can be used for cutting perforated board
   Deburring tool
      right-handed and left-handed are available
      E300 means that it is intended for soft metals and plastics
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Re: Make Electronics book 2nd edition components list?
« Reply #43 on: September 15, 2019, 09:43:21 pm »
Funny thing when hitting that reply button.  All the mistakes suddenly appear out of thin air.   :-DD

I should have only added the necessary components for the book to my carts and then shared the carts, but I ended up adding extra quantities and other components as I thought of them, so the total increased over what the book calls for.  And I opted out of buying some things such as neodymium magnets, 16 gauge wire, magnet wire, machine screws and nuts, bare perforated board, plastic project box, and 8 ohm 4" speaker, so the total is less overall less than what the book called for.  But given all that, my Tayda cart ended up at $78 including DHL 3-4 day shipping ($11 for shipping to U.S.), and my Digikey cart ended up at $31 including 3 day First Class Mail ($5 shipping), for a grand total of $109.
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Re: Make Electronics book 2nd edition components list?
« Reply #44 on: September 17, 2019, 05:39:08 pm »
UPDATE:  I have created a list which you can find at around 40 posts into this thread.  It is near the bottom of page 2 of this thread for me.  To jump to it, search for the string:  diy-or-die

I'm wondering if anyone knows of a parts list/cart at any of the major U.S. suppliers (Mouser, Digikey, etc.) for the Make Electronics 2nd edition book.  I have already made my own list from the book in plain text, but if there is already a cart at Mouser, for example, that could make things much easier, even if I decide to get some of the components from elsewhere.  If not, I guess I will be making one to share.

Also, is there a downside to metal film over carbon comp resistors?  I see lots of inexpensive metal film assortments on ebay.  I don't really see any assortments on Mouser.  And I have read that it is best to buy transistors and ic's from a reputable supplier (because of counterfeiting), and to get passive components from elsewhere to save on cost.  So I'm thinking of getting some passive assortments from ebay and filling in any missing values at Mouser along with the active components.

In the book he says that he has links to kits that correspond to his books you can buy. I would just do that if i were you.
 

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Re: Make Electronics book 2nd edition components list?
« Reply #45 on: September 17, 2019, 05:55:49 pm »
UPDATE:  I have created a list which you can find at around 40 posts into this thread.  It is near the bottom of page 2 of this thread for me.  To jump to it, search for the string:  diy-or-die

Or you might add this newfangled thing called a "link" to your original post:  ;)
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/make-electronics-book-2nd-edition-components-list/msg2690322/#msg2690322
 

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Re: Make Electronics book 2nd edition components list?
« Reply #46 on: September 17, 2019, 06:03:32 pm »
UPDATE:  I have created a list which you can find at around 40 posts into this thread.  It is near the bottom of page 2 of this thread for me.  To jump to it, search for the string:  diy-or-die

I'm wondering if anyone knows of a parts list/cart at any of the major U.S. suppliers (Mouser, Digikey, etc.) for the Make Electronics 2nd edition book.  I have already made my own list from the book in plain text, but if there is already a cart at Mouser, for example, that could make things much easier, even if I decide to get some of the components from elsewhere.  If not, I guess I will be making one to share.

Also, is there a downside to metal film over carbon comp resistors?  I see lots of inexpensive metal film assortments on ebay.  I don't really see any assortments on Mouser.  And I have read that it is best to buy transistors and ic's from a reputable supplier (because of counterfeiting), and to get passive components from elsewhere to save on cost.  So I'm thinking of getting some passive assortments from ebay and filling in any missing values at Mouser along with the active components.

In the book he says that he has links to kits that correspond to his books you can buy. I would just do that if i were you.

To me, using kits seems like throwing out part of the hands-on experience of doing electronics.  Sooner or later you will need to find parts, look up information about parts, ask lots of questions, find out how much various parts should cost, and so on.  Also, I was able to get significantly more parts for the money by gathering them myself, including 2 each of all logic IC's, which I think the kits don't have.  If one of those IC's dies, possibly just by handling it, kit buyers will have to put things on hold, find the part, pay for shipping + component cost, and wait some days for it to arrive.  And some components are so inexpensive and commonly used that it just makes sense to get some extras.  But a person buying a kit wouldn't know that.
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Re: Make Electronics book 2nd edition components list?
« Reply #48 on: September 17, 2019, 07:13:03 pm »
I worked through both these books and they are good for introduction to electronics, which is what they are aimed at.  The author was very good at responding to queries as well.  I also tried the ‘buy it myself’ approach, for many of the reasons others have stated, and stopped doing that, just buying the kits from TechTraderPro: the difference in the price is not a lot - maybe about £10, I can’t remember - but the time it was taking going through search results, different suppliers etc was doing my head in.  Just not worth it.  For book 2 I did go the separate parts route because, IIRC, there weren’t any kits.  One thing to bear in my mind though is that some of the experiments require parts that are just not available anymore (except maybe on eBay at ridiculous cost) so you have to adapt the experiment to parts you can get.  It’s also worth reading the experiments (scanning at least) to see if it is worth getting a part just for that one-off, use, that you are not likely to use again.  I skipped the build of some and just read and understood them.  Overall, I would recommend both the Make books for beginners.  You do not need any fancy test equipment, just a multimeter and basic soldering iron.  If you think you will carry on with the hobby, buy a decent multimeter and a temperature controlled iron to save money in the long run.  Do not buy scopes, generators or any other test kit for these books.
 

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Re: Make Electronics book 2nd edition components list?
« Reply #49 on: September 18, 2019, 06:07:43 am »
I wouldn't tell anyone not to buy kits if you want the easiest time of getting the necessary components, such as parents buying kits for their kids.  But let's be realistic about what you get in those kits and prices of the kits.

The Protechtrader kits require 3 kits to get all the necessary components.  The kits come in 'standard' and 'deluxe' options.  The kits are vague about what you actually get (quantities and no brands indicated for anything), and it seems that you get a minimum of the required components.  In other words, it doesn't look like you are getting spools of wire (wouldn't fit in those boxes), multiple of same IC's, and so on.  The standard kits 1, 2, and 3 are $80, $80, and $66 respectively for a total of $226.  The deluxe kits are $98, $98, and $80 for a total of $276.  In the deluxe kit 1 you get a super cheapo multi-meter.  In deluxe kit 2 you get a super cheapo soldering pencil and a 9v adapter (no brands indicated).  In deluxe kit 3 you get more wire and an upgraded magnet (no specifics).  For $226, you could get double the components and a meter and iron that aren't embarrassingly bad from elsewhere.  For $276 you could get the same but get a temperature controlled soldering station instead of an iron, or whatever you like with that extra $50.

The kits from Chaney are a much better value.  There are 3 kits at $50, $17, and $35 for a total of $102.  But again here, you are getting a minimum of components and no brands indicated.  You will have to buy other things such as a meter, soldering iron, batteries, but you can get items of a quality that you won't want to throw in the trash, for not much money.  For example, $10 for a meter and $10 for a soldering pencil from ebay will make that stuff that comes in the Protechtrader kits look like tools that came out of a cereal box.   :palm:  And beside price, at least Chaney gives you itemized lists of what you are getting.

But with ~$100 shopping around, you can get a significant amount of extra components or use some of the money to help in buying a decent meter, iron, and other required components.

On these kits, I feel like Protechtrader is milking buyers, who are probably parents buying this stuff for their kids.  Chaney seems reasonable for this sort of situation where parents won't know how, or want to do the leg work in buying components.  But for someone who is able and willing to do the work of finding components, I don't know why anyone would recommend kits instead, especially since there is now a list of what is required.   ;)
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