Neighbor Harassment - Need Some Help, Please!!!

[Simon]

A brand new user posts a long rambling post plus a link and zero replies. Is this a new method of spam?

One thing that doesn't make sense is that somebody would go though the effort of writing all that for a single link placement

Has anyone seen the same pasta on other forums?

Given that it started just like the other one we saw I suspect they get posted from time to time with minor variations. The link to the shaker I'd hardly call spam, I have had one of those things in my hands before, they are just big vibrators, they will make a lot of noise but not shake much. They naturally go round at near 3000 or 1500 rpm, not exactly the resonant frequency of a building or a floor.

[EEVblog]

A brand new user posts a long rambling post plus a link and zero replies. Is this a new method of spam?

One thing that doesn't make sense is that somebody would go though the effort of writing all that for a single link placement

Has anyone seen the same pasta on other forums?

Given that it started just like the other one we saw I suspect they get posted from time to time with minor variations. The link to the shaker I'd hardly call spam, I have had one of those things in my hands before, they are just big vibrators, they will make a lot of noise but not shake much. They naturally go round at near 3000 or 1500 rpm, not exactly the resonant frequency of a building or a floor.

Other have posted two other similar style threads, so this is a third one on here now. And the OP never replies. It's rather strange.

[magic]

Hmm, didn't those threads start when the 5G deployment began?

[tggzzz]

Other have posted two other similar style threads, so this is a third one on here now. And the OP never replies. It's rather strange.

Putting my tinfoil hat on...

Can you determine that they are different people, and whether or not a VPN is used?

There are many bad actors out there, some more subtle than others. Some individuals with an obsession band together to push their points. Some organisations promote distrust in authorities and corporations in other countries.

While none of us want to see the forum polluted with crackpot notions, I'm not sure what can be done about such wierdos. It is unpleasant and undesirable, but is there any practical way of retrospectively annotating one-off crackpot posts so that future readers don't get sucked in?

[EEVblog]

Other have posted two other similar style threads, so this is a third one on here now. And the OP never replies. It's rather strange.

Putting my tinfoil hat on...

Can you determine that they are different people, and whether or not a VPN is used?

They seem to be different.

[david77]

I've heard dozens of those stories over the years from people in real life. There are always similarities in them: Neighbour, Poison, Electronic Warfare of some kind, Computers, WLAN. And most of the people experiencing this "harrassment" are at the end of their tether. Most are desperate to find a solution but in my mind lack the mental capacity to find the cause of the things they're complaining about.

When I was younger I've always thought these people are just mental. I've changed my mind, given that the symptoms are often very similar there must be some form of external influence. The best I've heard so far is some kind of poisoning, be it mold or CO or a leaky gas pipe. Also some kind of illness sounds plausible.

What I don't get is how they come to the conclusion "I know: Ray gun!"? Probably because another similarity between the people that told me these stories was they are complete technophobes. No clue about anything.

[Fraser]

As a side comment “my neighbours are spying on me and attacking me” is an extremely common complaint from some people who are suffering an illness of some sort. A neighbour of my parents kept calling the Police to report that her neighbour was attacking her with “black boxes” that could see and hear her through the party wall. She was certain that this was happening even though she had absolutely no proof and her neighbours could not have been nicer people. Sadly when some illnesses take hold of vulnerable peoples minds, they need a focal point for their fears or aggression. A neighbour is sadly a common ‘victim’ of this paranoia as they are known to the sufferer and close enough to be blamed for all that persons ills. It is very common for sufferers to become fixated on the activities, real or imagined, of that neighbour and the situation can get out of control for both parties

I was very interested to read of the potential for fungus and mould spores causing illness as sadly many people live in damp accommodation where mould can grow. The effect of a CO leak is also very interesting. Sadly, all too often, we only hear of deaths due to CO leaks rather than illness caused by less severe environmental poisoning.

When someone has negative thoughts about what someone else might be doing to them, it is common for the ‘sufferer’ to seek knowledge through Googling. The internet can be used for good or bad and sadly there are plenty of people on the Internet who will fuel a persons fears and make money from those fears if they are able. Do not get me started on quack technology sold on eBay to find Ghosts and sources of harmful EMF ! Taking advantage of a person who is suffering from a confused mental state is despicable.

Some sufferers of mental confusion will seek out ‘experts’ on the chosen topic and that will include coming to forums such as this. They may also seek guidance from Quack outfits claiming expertise in the chosen topic and will likely have their fears confirmed which is, in truth, what they are hoping for ! Sad but true. Some sufferers just want confirmation that they are right in their suspicions rather than being told that they are not. It is a sad situation. Mental health experts likely know all the classic clinical signs of these people who suffer anxiety through thinking others are “out to get them”. It is for those professionals to help, but that needs the sufferer to approach them in the first instance, rather than having their fears fed by Quack experts.

What can this forum do about this situation ? In a word, nothing. We are a friendly bunch and offer good advice and when these unusual posts appear, we are mostly kind but firm in our comments. That is the way to continue as we do not know the circumstances of the person behind the post. I, for one, would not wish to be harsh with a person suffering deep depression and causing them to jump in front of a train because they feel worthless Some people, just need someone to talk to about their problems and we can only help to steer them in the correct direction for genuine help. Kindness costs nothing 

[free_electron]

The internet can be used for good or bad and sadly there are plenty of people on the Internet who will fuel a persons fears and make money from those fears if they are able. Do not get me started on quack technology sold on eBay to find Ghosts and sources of harmful EMF !

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[Fraser]

 

[Ian.M]

One thing we could do better when trying to gently debunk the black helicopters / tin foil hat / technologically persecuted sufferer's delusions, and trying to redirect them towards medical personnel for explanations, is *NOT* to discuss tin foil hattery &etc. in general in their topic.   IMHO the place for such discussions is in Supporters Lounge, where they wont be visible to the low post count O.P. or others like them via Google.   Its a pity Simon didn't lock the topic back at reply #4:

Uh, yea, we have been here before. Short answer, we can't help, you will have to speak to whichever local authorities deal with this stuff.

[RJSV]

cdev I will read your stuff (and notate some of that chemical info), just too much right this minute, what with Monday morning doldrums, thanks.
   I did notice, a bit confrontational, at the neighbor's door, EXPECTING him to open up, and, OP, according to your rules, 8:30 am being slightly early for many folks, such as emergency workers / fire department, etc.  More like 9:00 flat, especially for those 'repeat' expectations, that he just 'open up' his door.
I used to do more of that confrontational shit; essentially doing cover, for Property Manager's job.
Never comes out good, unless a person is certain that there needs to be aggressive engagement, but then that almost always requires a 'third cool head', like your Apt. Manager to take the reins.
   I mean,  perhaps you can arrange a short move, across the way, or get a unit in next building over, using same property, with all of that keeping out of (that one neighbor's) business.
   The mental health aspects, also often relates to age and experience.  Like, I learned; don't get confrontational, with a Meth user, (they tweak easy).
But living in San Leandro, I've learned, you gotta extend a ton of 'extra' respect.  We have a neighbor, kid has some issues, with aggressive play / constant screaming.  I just think, 'One of us...a member' of the human race.
   Get your requests to landlord documented, if choose that route, but that's not your war, there!

[magic]

While none of us want to see the forum polluted with crackpot notions, I'm not sure what can be done about such wierdos. It is unpleasant and undesirable, but is there any practical way of retrospectively annotating one-off crackpot posts so that future readers don't get sucked in?

.... so that future crackpots will see how much collusion there is to discredit the facts about non-ionizing radiation sickness

[bd139]

As alluded to before, I tripped over a similar crackpot in the pub. They are everywhere. I think it's a combination of poor education and understanding of the world and personal circumstance.

Best to educate, help with the personal circumstances if you can and move on, quickly if they are really really nuts.

It's important not discredit immediately but shape the argument because the immediate answer is you are part of the problem in some way.

[free_electron]

in general the pharma industry (not the doctors, the medicine makers) does not want to cure you. They want a repeat source of income : a medicine that only suppresses as long as you keep taking it.

[tggzzz]

When I was younger I've always thought these people are just mental. I've changed my mind, given that the symptoms are often very similar there must be some form of external influence. The best I've heard so far is some kind of poisoning, be it mold or CO or a leaky gas pipe. Also some kind of illness sounds plausible.

The "external influence" conclusion doesn't follow from that observation.

I've always been surprised that, given the physical structure of the brain plus upbringing (i.e. nature plus nurture), it is remarkable that different individuals' brains function similarly in any way whatsoever. And hence that notable deviations are to be expected.

[bd139]

As alluded to before, I tripped over a similar crackpot in the pub. They are everywhere. I think it's a combination of poor education and understanding of the world and personal circumstance.

And grifting arseholes like Mark Steele who are exploiting their psychosis to make bank from the people who are scientifically illiterate enough to believe them.

Yes definitely. That absolute shitlord needs to cease to exist.

[david77]

When I was younger I've always thought these people are just mental. I've changed my mind, given that the symptoms are often very similar there must be some form of external influence. The best I've heard so far is some kind of poisoning, be it mold or CO or a leaky gas pipe. Also some kind of illness sounds plausible.

The "external influence" conclusion doesn't follow from that observation.

I've always been surprised that, given the physical structure of the brain plus upbringing (i.e. nature plus nurture), it is remarkable that different individuals' brains function similarly in any way whatsoever. And hence that notable deviations are to be expected.

You are right my use of "must be" in this context was wrong. What I really meant to say was "it's likely". Not a native english speaker, false friends and all that  .

[tggzzz]

When I was younger I've always thought these people are just mental. I've changed my mind, given that the symptoms are often very similar there must be some form of external influence. The best I've heard so far is some kind of poisoning, be it mold or CO or a leaky gas pipe. Also some kind of illness sounds plausible.

The "external influence" conclusion doesn't follow from that observation.

I've always been surprised that, given the physical structure of the brain plus upbringing (i.e. nature plus nurture), it is remarkable that different individuals' brains function similarly in any way whatsoever. And hence that notable deviations are to be expected.

You are right my use of "must be" in this context was wrong. What I really meant to say was "it's likely". Not a native english speaker, false friends and all that  .

Understood and accepted! I expect your English is better than many English peoples', who could easily make the same mistake.

Should, could, would, must, might, may are all somewhat confusing in English, and are sometimes used to deliberately confuse of obfuscate If you look at technical standard documents, they often explicitly state what such words do and don't mean.

[thinkfat]

*Does not include shipping and handling , packaging or ritual chanting over by 55 norwegian virgins. May have been dipped in regular water instead of water from Ganges, possibly peed on by the cat. We reserve the right to use plastic instead of crystal , velcro instead of magnets , flimsy copper clad aluminum wire instead of the oxygen free nonsense. Essential oil may have been replaced by a fart in your general direction (we can't be bothered to aim.). Will be shipped in most inconvenient packaging using most unreliable shipping method, whenever we can be bothered to. If it gets lost complain to the deliverer. If it doesn't work you are clearly not believing hard enough. If for any reason you don't like it you can ship it back at your cost. To save cost it will be cheaper to chuck it in the bin (do check local regulation on toxic waste though...)

This sounds remarkably like an ad from the Finnish company I bought my noise cancelling headphones from. But they're good guys. They said they'll use my money to build a death star.

[Siwastaja]

*Does not include shipping and handling , packaging or ritual chanting over by 55 norwegian virgins. May have been dipped in regular water instead of water from Ganges, possibly peed on by the cat. We reserve the right to use plastic instead of crystal , velcro instead of magnets , flimsy copper clad aluminum wire instead of the oxygen free nonsense. Essential oil may have been replaced by a fart in your general direction (we can't be bothered to aim.). Will be shipped in most inconvenient packaging using most unreliable shipping method, whenever we can be bothered to. If it gets lost complain to the deliverer. If it doesn't work you are clearly not believing hard enough. If for any reason you don't like it you can ship it back at your cost. To save cost it will be cheaper to chuck it in the bin (do check local regulation on toxic waste though...)

This sounds remarkably like an ad from the Finnish company I bought my noise cancelling headphones from. But they're good guys. They said they'll use my money to build a death star.

For reference to others, https://www.valco.io/

[CJay]

*Does not include shipping and handling , packaging or ritual chanting over by 55 norwegian virgins. May have been dipped in regular water instead of water from Ganges, possibly peed on by the cat. We reserve the right to use plastic instead of crystal , velcro instead of magnets , flimsy copper clad aluminum wire instead of the oxygen free nonsense. Essential oil may have been replaced by a fart in your general direction (we can't be bothered to aim.). Will be shipped in most inconvenient packaging using most unreliable shipping method, whenever we can be bothered to. If it gets lost complain to the deliverer. If it doesn't work you are clearly not believing hard enough. If for any reason you don't like it you can ship it back at your cost. To save cost it will be cheaper to chuck it in the bin (do check local regulation on toxic waste though...)

This sounds remarkably like an ad from the Finnish company I bought my noise cancelling headphones from. But they're good guys. They said they'll use my money to build a death star.

For reference to others, https://www.valco.io/

That is a rather noble aim, I approve.

[Blakeneydp]

Thank you to everyone that responded. I waited to see what the responses were, so I could respond in one post.

Please know I am *not* trying to spam anyone! My first registration and post on your site was this past week and I have never been hear under any other name.

My only goal was advice about how some of these things could possibly have been done. Larry has already harassed me by pounding on the walls and waking me up at odd hours, so I don’t think its all related to mould or CO poisoning (though I could be wrong).
I will try to find out about CO and mold, but my complex is newer and very well maintained and maintenance lives in one of the apartments (not one near me though).

I am long past hot flashes and had already gone to my doctor. He advises there is no physical reason for these symptoms. I am not a conspiracy theorist, or a subscriber to supernatural / alien / tin foil hat theories. And I don’t think I referenced any of these in my first post above.

I would *love* to move – but my rent is the cheapest in the area and I can barely afford that. I have asked my rental office for an apartment transfer as soon as one becomes available.

FWIW, I have slept at relative’s/friends’ houses and not a single thing I described above happened at any other place.

Thank you again for your advice. I especially appreciate the advice of Fraser and cdev who didn’t just assume I was a crackpot. The hardest thing about going through this has been no one I could tell about for fear of being labeled a crackpot. It literally took me months to get the nerve to post about Larry.

CDev, Larry sounds a whole lot like Ted (except for the banging on the window thing). I don’t think he goes out begging; even my other neighbors say he rarely leaves the house. I think he is on social security.

I wish this was a hallucination. But over a year’s experience tells me that it isn’t. None of it occurs anywhere else except when I'm home. And vicious neighbors can and do exist. Larry seems a textbook example. Whatever it is, no one should have to go through it.

[RJSV]

NOT YOUR WAR.
(not mine either).
   I feel wasted my time, previous careful response, so...this post, seriously, is for others reading this.
As to the 'technical questions'...hupmmf !  Now sounds like an excuse to reveal more personal stuff on that neighbor, that you like to harass.
   NOT YOURS.  Put it down.

[Circlotron]

Have you tried having someone else stay overnight and see if they experience the same things?

[Muttley Snickers]

Thank you to everyone that responded. I waited to see what the responses were, so I could respond in one post.  (snip.....) 
FWIW, I have slept at relative’s/friends’ houses and not a single thing I described above happened at any other place.  (snip.....) 
I wish this was a hallucination. But over a year’s experience tells me that it isn’t. None of it occurs anywhere else except when I'm home. And vicious neighbors can and do exist. Larry seems a textbook example. Whatever it is, no one should have to go through it.

In regards to a technical solution, my advice would be to get yourself a video camera, digital audio recorder or use a mobile phone to record these events with time stamps, without proper evidence your experiences are nothing more than baseless accusations. Any action or complaint you instigate will require evidence and without it nobody will take your concerns seriously.