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| soldar:
--- Quote from: janoc on May 29, 2019, 08:39:39 pm --- - the stupid protective shutters in the holes of the outlets don't want to open. I am routinely taking this BS out. If the shutters are in place it can literally take serious pounding and wiggling to insert a plug, even on good quality outlets. If that's the case, do yourself a favor, open the socket and take this nonsense out. You will thank me later. It is only a sliding piece of plastic and a spring. --- End quote --- I agree! I hate them with passion! The problem is many extension cords are built in such way you cannot open them without destroying them. Arghh! |
| Benta:
--- Quote from: wraper on May 29, 2019, 06:14:05 pm --- --- Quote from: Benta on May 29, 2019, 05:59:02 pm ---That has nothing to do with CEE 7/7 as such, but with someone installing cheap, inferior receptacles. A different thing altogether. --- End quote --- Nope, it has direct relation. Sockets are made from relatively thin plastic compared to solid moulded plugs, especially extension cords. So solid prong sticking out of it asks for trouble. Particular extension cord was not cheap at all. --- End quote --- I've never experienced anything like this happen, but perhaps you have a local manufacturer using papier-mâché for the receptacles? |
| wraper:
--- Quote from: janoc on May 29, 2019, 08:39:39 pm ---The failed socket you had was poorly made and the pin was either not welded in properly or the weld has failed. Thickness of the outlet plastic has no bearing on it because the ground pin is always supported from behind. --- End quote --- Supported from behind by what? 0.5-0.8 mm copper or brass strip at best which holds to plastic by plastic melted through some holes in it. |
| Berni:
I have only ever seen these french "unicorn" EU plugs when traveling to places, we use the classic german Schuko here. So i have no idea how reliable and resilient they are in practice, but the overall design looks better to me. Tho if its a plug pissing contest i do have to admit that the UK plugs are probably the best design, They only thing against them are the bulkiness and how painful it must be to step on one. At least for 3 phase outlets things are reasonably standardized in Europe with IEC 60309 .Tho over here you will still find the old yugoslavian 3 phase socket(Basically a wider Shukko with defined polarity and extra pins) everywhere in houses built more than 20 years ago. --- Quote from: janoc on May 29, 2019, 08:39:39 pm --- - the stupid protective shutters in the holes of the outlets don't want to open. I am routinely taking this BS out. If the shutters are in place it can literally take serious pounding and wiggling to insert a plug, even on good quality outlets. If that's the case, do yourself a favor, open the socket and take this nonsense out. You will thank me later. It is only a sliding piece of plastic and a spring. --- End quote --- Oh yes the child safe shutters are horrible on EU plugs. They keep jamming up and refusing to open, then as you punch the back of the plug to finally force it in that deforms them even more and so they will be even more reluctant to open in the future. |
| janoc:
--- Quote from: wraper on May 29, 2019, 09:48:07 pm --- --- Quote from: janoc on May 29, 2019, 08:39:39 pm ---The failed socket you had was poorly made and the pin was either not welded in properly or the weld has failed. Thickness of the outlet plastic has no bearing on it because the ground pin is always supported from behind. --- End quote --- Supported from behind by what? 0.5-0.8 mm copper or brass strip at best which holds to plastic by plastic melted through some holes in it. --- End quote --- Ever tried to push the pin through that metal or plastic? By a bare hand (not a hammer?). Seriously, have you ever opened one of the outlets you are criticizing? Also, I hope you do realize that there are many different models and different constructions. And here you are extrapolating - from a (crappy) sample of one that has likely been abused too (there is nothing to push the pin in with unless the plug isn't mating properly and/or the contacts in the grounding hole are deformed). If these outlets were so bad and so dangerous (ground pin getting loose and shorting out is certainly a fire/safety hazard!), they would have been forbidden from use decades ago. And I don't see that happening - they are in use in France, Czech republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Poland and elsewhere, with no problems. |
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