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Title: PLEASE HELP! How to send sensor signal to 5-10km?
Post by: serhiip on January 14, 2023, 10:46:18 am
Now I detect motion with my Arduino Nano and 3pin (SIGNAL, 5V, GND) motion detector

When detector triggers, I need to send signal (distance at least 5km) to another Arduino Nano and catch it. As far as I understand, 433Mhz is the optimal frequency for this.

Please suggest me what should I use? Which circuit, protocol etc. The solution should be as simple and as cheap as possible

Thank you in advance!
Title: Re: PLEASE HELP! How to send sensor signal to 5-10km?
Post by: bookaboo on January 14, 2023, 10:54:11 am
Even the best LoRa would be a push. Check out GSM / NB-IoT relays.
Title: Re: PLEASE HELP! How to send sensor signal to 5-10km?
Post by: tautech on January 15, 2023, 09:19:20 am
Now I detect motion with my Arduino Nano and 3pin (SIGNAL, 5V, GND) motion detector

When detector triggers, I need to send signal (distance at least 5km) to another Arduino Nano and catch it. As far as I understand, 433Mhz is the optimal frequency for this.

Please suggest me what should I use? Which circuit, protocol etc. The solution should be as simple and as cheap as possible

Thank you in advance!
Cheap Chinese modules like in the attachments.

The 4km transmitter I have used LOS 10+km.

Some Ali links:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004724610649.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.13.37724718BT0wol&algo_pvid=03b6b78f-41f9-4d61-8732-38162bd01aee&algo_exp_id=03b6b78f-41f9-4d61-8732-38162bd01aee-6&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2212000030238794363%22%7D&pdp_npi=2%40dis%21USD%215.2%212.55%21%21%21%21%21%4021021b4716737741871477607d0688%2112000030238794363%21sea&curPageLogUid=6gPrMRnkkMAC (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004724610649.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.13.37724718BT0wol&algo_pvid=03b6b78f-41f9-4d61-8732-38162bd01aee&algo_exp_id=03b6b78f-41f9-4d61-8732-38162bd01aee-6&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2212000030238794363%22%7D&pdp_npi=2%40dis%21USD%215.2%212.55%21%21%21%21%21%4021021b4716737741871477607d0688%2112000030238794363%21sea&curPageLogUid=6gPrMRnkkMAC)

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005137561823.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.7.35088e4dVCvjml&algo_pvid=7fc2c91f-1c6d-4171-9bdb-b5bf67d00136&algo_exp_id=7fc2c91f-1c6d-4171-9bdb-b5bf67d00136-3&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2212000031812337481%22%7D&pdp_npi=2%40dis%21USD%219.98%214.99%21%21%21%21%21%4021224e9b16737743176432370d0666%2112000031812337481%21sea&curPageLogUid=HBw3NdErKt0S (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005137561823.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.7.35088e4dVCvjml&algo_pvid=7fc2c91f-1c6d-4171-9bdb-b5bf67d00136&algo_exp_id=7fc2c91f-1c6d-4171-9bdb-b5bf67d00136-3&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2212000031812337481%22%7D&pdp_npi=2%40dis%21USD%219.98%214.99%21%21%21%21%21%4021224e9b16737743176432370d0666%2112000031812337481%21sea&curPageLogUid=HBw3NdErKt0S)
Title: Re: PLEASE HELP! How to send sensor signal to 5-10km?
Post by: wasedadoc on January 15, 2023, 11:01:25 am
The range will depend greatly on the environment.  Objects in the path between transmitter and receiver.  RF noise, especially near the receiver.
Title: Re: PLEASE HELP! How to send sensor signal to 5-10km?
Post by: tautech on January 15, 2023, 11:46:12 am
The range will depend greatly on the environment. Objects in the path between transmitter and receiver.  RF noise, especially near the receiver.
Yes of course, clear LOS is preferable but not always necessary.
Title: Re: PLEASE HELP! How to send sensor signal to 5-10km?
Post by: Siwastaja on January 15, 2023, 01:11:33 pm
With 433MHz, small objects like a few trees or cars are fine, but terrain or dense forest is not.

5-10km is a lot; any off-the-shelf legal solution won't probably work. Going to illegally high transmit power is probably the solution.
Title: Re: PLEASE HELP! How to send sensor signal to 5-10km?
Post by: Adrian_Arg. on January 16, 2023, 08:35:38 pm
I have tested it up to 12km at these https://reyax.com/products/rylr896/ (https://reyax.com/products/rylr896/)
that if there has to be nothing between them, I tried them in an area free of city interference, in a rural area.
Title: Re: PLEASE HELP! How to send sensor signal to 5-10km?
Post by: bidrohini on January 17, 2023, 02:24:46 am
This one covers 5km. The operating frequency is  2.4GHz.
https://www.aliexpress.com/i/3256801313642271.html?gatewayAdapt=4itemAdapt (https://www.aliexpress.com/i/3256801313642271.html?gatewayAdapt=4itemAdapt)