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#### redgear

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##### How to choose a resistor?
« on: November 01, 2019, 10:37:46 am »
I am trying to recreate a reference circuit that I found online. The circuit has a BOM which specifies the resistances to use.
I know the value of the resistor, case code and the tolerance. I assume case code won't matter much as long as I can solder the components properly(correct me if I am wrong). There is no info about the power rating, temperature coefficient and voltage rating.
How do I choose a resistor without these?

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#### tggzzz

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##### Re: How to choose a resistor?
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2019, 10:55:28 am »
You need to understand how the circuit works. A well-designed circuit will minimise the dependencies, but can't eliminate them.

If you can't understand the (analogue?) circuit, you could simulate with, say, LTSpice. You could manually tweak component values, or set it up to do monte-carlo simulations.
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#### redgear

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##### Re: How to choose a resistor?
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2019, 11:21:10 am »
You need to understand how the circuit works. A well-designed circuit will minimise the dependencies, but can't eliminate them.

If you can't understand the (analogue?) circuit, you could simulate with, say, LTSpice. You could manually tweak component values, or set it up to do monte-carlo simulations.

Thanks.
The resistors are directly connected to the pins of the IC. I only have access to the block diagram of the IC. I don't think I simulate it. Can I? The Datasheet is in Chinese which makes things more difficult. I am attaching the circuit below for reference.

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EDIT: The power traces are thicker that the others, how do I determine the thickness that I would require?
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#### tggzzz

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##### Re: How to choose a resistor?
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2019, 11:46:33 am »
Most of those resistors maximum possible power dissipation can be easily calculated: V2/R, where R is the supply voltage. For R2/R7, reduce V by one LED forward voltage drop.

RNTC is interesting; NTC may mean negative temperature coefficient, which implies a thermistor. Unfortunately thermistors are made with differing tempcos, so the best bet would be one with a tempco in the middle of the  possible values.

Google can be useful when looking at foreign language datasheets.
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#### redgear

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##### Re: How to choose a resistor?
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2019, 06:48:07 am »
V2/R, where R is the supply voltage. For R2/R7, reduce V by one LED forward voltage drop.
Do you mean V is the supply voltage?

RNTC is interesting; NTC may mean negative temperature coefficient, which implies a thermistor. Unfortunately thermistors are made with differing tempcos, so the best bet would be one with a tempco in the middle of the  possible values.
Yep, RNTC is a thermistor and they are 100K @ 25deg with a material constant of 4200

Google can be useful when looking at foreign language datasheets.
I have been using Google Translate. But a lot of information is given as a image and I am not able to translate them.

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##### Re: How to choose a resistor?
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2019, 08:37:34 am »
V2/R, where R is the supply voltage. For R2/R7, reduce V by one LED forward voltage drop.
Do you mean V is the supply voltage?

RNTC is interesting; NTC may mean negative temperature coefficient, which implies a thermistor. Unfortunately thermistors are made with differing tempcos, so the best bet would be one with a tempco in the middle of the  possible values.
Yep, RNTC is a thermistor and they are 100K @ 25deg with a material constant of 4200

Google can be useful when looking at foreign language datasheets.
I have been using Google Translate. But a lot of information is given as a image and I am not able to translate them.

Yes, V

Given that information, use DigiKey to find a thermistor.

Bummer.
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#### PA0PBZ

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##### Re: How to choose a resistor?
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2019, 08:57:52 am »
I have been using Google Translate. But a lot of information is given as a image and I am not able to translate them.

Try the Google translate app for IOS/Android, it translates using the camera. I tried it on the text in the diagram and it works fine.
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#### Gallardo

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##### Re: How to choose a resistor?
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2019, 05:19:31 am »
Hope it helps you

R1 to VOUT1, R1 to VOUT2, R1 to VBUS, R1 to VIN four lines need to be separated from the R1 pad, the current path of the four lines can not have any coincidence, otherwise it will affect the multi-port change single port is automatic recovery fast charge function .

Note that the power path traces need to be as short and wide as possible, and the line width needs to be at least 80 mils.

When the NTC function is not used, R12 is replaced with 51KOhm, and RNTC does not need to be installed.

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#### Gallardo

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##### Re: How to choose a resistor?
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2019, 05:31:12 am »
for reference

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#### redgear

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##### Re: How to choose a resistor?
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2019, 10:54:15 am »
Hope it helps you

R1 to VOUT1, R1 to VOUT2, R1 to VBUS, R1 to VIN four lines need to be separated from the R1 pad, the current path of the four lines can not have any coincidence, otherwise it will affect the multi-port change single port is automatic recovery fast charge function .

Note that the power path traces need to be as short and wide as possible, and the line width needs to be at least 80 mils.

When the NTC function is not used, R12 is replaced with 51KOhm, and RNTC does not need to be installed.

Thanks.

But from the connections shown R1 is not connected to either of VIN, BUS, VOUT1 or VOUT2.

I still have few more questions on the same project. Would be great if you can help me.
I have created a new thread for the same.
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