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Re: shitty chinese psu kit
« Reply #150 on: March 15, 2022, 12:36:56 pm »
I suppose it could work as D6, that diode is just sitting there under reverse bias.
The PSU would even work without it, but it protects it from externally applied negative voltage which could damage things.

Beware that schottkys leak more than silicon diodes, check the datasheet "reverse characteristic". Leakage may even be a few mA for some large diodes close to their peak reverse rating.
 
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Re: shitty chinese psu kit
« Reply #151 on: March 15, 2022, 09:15:40 pm »
I have 5 of these,would 5 of then be ok for 20a at say 5v?,or do i keep the 2s1047 trannys fitted at the moment( originals were tip 3055 types.
 

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Re: shitty chinese psu kit
« Reply #152 on: March 15, 2022, 09:33:48 pm »
LINK DIDNT WORK,heres the data sheet,am i correct in thinking they are no good in non switching applications?
 

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Re: shitty chinese psu kit
« Reply #153 on: March 16, 2022, 08:25:55 am »
ISC / InChange Semiconductor and SavantIC transistors are made of 100% pure Chinesium semiconductor material.
Rumor has it that even their replacements of "linear" transistors have SOA inferior to the originals (and SOA is rarely specified in their datasheets even if it should).

It's probably crap. It may work with low input-output differential.
 

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Re: shitty chinese psu kit
« Reply #154 on: March 16, 2022, 08:39:28 am »
The TIP35C BJTs I used in my bench PSU came from this Aliexpress seller, https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32539913063.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.0.0.21ef18022M3Ta4
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Re: shitty chinese psu kit
« Reply #155 on: March 16, 2022, 11:40:32 am »
Morning all,i have just got this working,with one issue,it puts out 6a max,i assume thats down to the current sense resistor value,would that be R19? TIA.
 

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Re: shitty chinese psu kit
« Reply #156 on: March 16, 2022, 12:09:37 pm »
Morning all,i have just got this working,with one issue,it puts out 6a max,i assume thats down to the current sense resistor value,would that be R19? TIA.
The Emitter resistors summed together are used foe current sense.
It it's going into CC mode, the LED should light up.
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Re: shitty chinese psu kit
« Reply #157 on: March 16, 2022, 01:02:41 pm »
So should i double r15+r 16 then for double the output?
 

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Re: shitty chinese psu kit
« Reply #158 on: March 16, 2022, 01:06:43 pm »
So should i double r15+r 16 then for double the output?
Altering R15 and R16 wont help. Is it going into CC mode? Or is it a drive problem?
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Re: shitty chinese psu kit
« Reply #159 on: March 16, 2022, 01:26:23 pm »
seems a drive issue as the cc led doesent illuminate.
 

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Re: shitty chinese psu kit
« Reply #160 on: March 16, 2022, 01:38:46 pm »
seems a drive issue as the cc led doesent illuminate.
With it still loaded to 6A, confirm that the  opamp outputs are both close to 12v.
Starting at the anode of D5, measure the voltages at every point along the drive path.
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Re: shitty chinese psu kit
« Reply #161 on: March 16, 2022, 01:58:40 pm »
If the voltage measurements dont show any obvious fault, try reducing R4 by about half.
Q1's current gain might be too low.
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Re: shitty chinese psu kit
« Reply #162 on: March 16, 2022, 09:19:20 pm »
Well at the moment,it has 4x buw49 pass transistors ,the 2sd1047 trannys(aliexpress junk!) went sc at 21v 5a output,at the moment it will output 36v max at 3a,i havent reduced r4 yet for more drive,i notice the 7812 must be about 80 deg c,it gets to hot to hold your finger on!,i guess if i reduce r4 that will put it under more load and kill it?.
 

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Re: shitty chinese psu kit
« Reply #163 on: March 16, 2022, 09:26:43 pm »
Well at the moment,it has 4x buw49 pass transistors ,the 2sd1047 trannys(aliexpress junk!) went sc at 21v 5a output,at the moment it will output 36v max at 3a,i havent reduced r4 yet for more drive,i notice the 7812 must be about 80 deg c,it gets to hot to hold your finger on!,i guess if i reduce r4 that will put it under more load and kill it?.
The few milliamps through R4 isn't a great load for the 7812. What is the input voltage and is it powering anything other than shown in the schematic?
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Re: shitty chinese psu kit
« Reply #164 on: March 16, 2022, 09:48:12 pm »
The input to the 7812 is 22v output is 12.1v,there is nothing connected on it apart from whats on the schematic.
 

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Re: shitty chinese psu kit
« Reply #165 on: March 16, 2022, 10:00:15 pm »
There should be about 10mA load, very little. Is the opamp getting hot?
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Re: shitty chinese psu kit
« Reply #166 on: March 16, 2022, 11:16:52 pm »
No both opamps are cool and seem to be working ok,everything seems fine apart from the lack of output current,seems to max out at about 2a, i am using a 1 ohm 100 watt resistor,am i correct in thinking 5v into that should draw 5a?.,as i said i get about 2 max,no mater where the current pot is.
 

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Re: shitty chinese psu kit
« Reply #167 on: March 16, 2022, 11:26:28 pm »
I just unplugged the led,if i wind the voltage up i get about 5a at about 11.5v,couldnt go any more as wires got hot on my leads and grabbers!
 

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Re: shitty chinese psu kit
« Reply #168 on: March 16, 2022, 11:33:55 pm »
No both opamps are cool and seem to be working ok,everything seems fine apart from the lack of output current,seems to max out at about 2a, i am using a 1 ohm 100 watt resistor,am i correct in thinking 5v into that should draw 5a?.,as i said i get about 2 max,no mater where the current pot is.
Yes, 5V across 1 ohm will cause 5A of current.
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Re: shitty chinese psu kit
« Reply #169 on: March 16, 2022, 11:35:20 pm »
I have some 1 watt 1k2 resistors,would it be safe to try one of those in place of r4,or is that pushing it?
 

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Re: shitty chinese psu kit
« Reply #170 on: March 16, 2022, 11:37:52 pm »
I just unplugged the led,if i wind the voltage up i get about 5a at about 11.5v,couldnt go any more as wires got hot on my leads and grabbers!
If disconnecting the LED causes increased current output, it indicates that there is a problem with the CC control side.
Is the LED faulty in some way? It's important that the LED functions a a good diode for the PSU to work properly.
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Re: shitty chinese psu kit
« Reply #171 on: March 16, 2022, 11:45:40 pm »
well it ligts up! lol,has a 2.122v drop using the diode test on my fluke,its a red one from my junkbox.
 

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Re: shitty chinese psu kit
« Reply #172 on: March 16, 2022, 11:45:56 pm »
I have some 1 watt 1k2 resistors,would it be safe to try one of those in place of r4,or is that pushing it?
Yes, try it. Although it's the wrong fix. You either still have a fault in the control circuit or have transistors with unusually low current gain or maybe a faulty one hogging drive current. Or a wiring mistake. For example, a bad collector connection to one of the output transistors.
Test carefully  with the CC disabled by leaving out the LED.
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Re: shitty chinese psu kit
« Reply #173 on: March 17, 2022, 12:01:40 am »
Well,i just tested the led that came with the kit,its way brighter and has a vf of 1.97v,could that be the issue?,everything else looks good.
 

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Re: shitty chinese psu kit
« Reply #174 on: March 17, 2022, 12:03:24 am »
Also, Oscillations can be the reason for odd PSU behavior. Best checked with an oscilloscope.
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