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The Art Of Electronics book is awesome!
PerranOak:
I agree that the book is excellent for gaining a proper understanding of fundamental and I love it for this.
However, when I have a practical problem and use it as a reference to solve that problem, it rarely delivers. Maybe I'm too thick.
rstofer:
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--- Quote from: StillTrying on December 28, 2019, 01:32:50 pm ---LTspice. :P
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Are there any newbies* trying LTspice together with AoE.
*everybody's a newbie in something :)
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You can certainly incorporate LTspice into a learning program, I used the "IBM Electronic Circuit Analysis Program" in about my 2d year (?) when we started dealing with AC circuits and amplifiers, circa 1970.
Where I don't think any computer simulation should be used is in the learning of the fundamentals. Maybe as a cross-check but there is no education in simply probing a schematic without having first done the calculations.
Now, solving the equations themselves doesn't need to be done by hand, a 'solver' like MATLAB or Octave could be used but writing the equations IS the exercise. Having LTspice do all the work isn't really learning anything. It's like using an Arduino with somebody else's library - you don't learn a thing.
The 4 biggies (Ohm's Law, Kirchoff's Laws, Thevenin's Theorem and Norton's Theorem) need to be automatic. Writing node and mesh equations needs to be automatic. Solving the equations can be done with a 'solver' but, even then, using row elimination should be well understood. Given the sparse nature of the matrix, it may actually be faster to solve by hand than type it into MATLAB.
OTOH, a graph is a very handy thing to have. I just did a simple LTspice plot of the capacitor voltage of an RC circuit when forced with a square wave (attached). Question: Why is the square wave high for 6 ms and low for 6 ms?
nigelwright7557:
--- Quote from: rstofer on December 26, 2019, 05:23:32 pm ---Don't forget the lab manual "Learning the Art of Electronics" and the soon to be released "X Chapters" (Amazon is taking pre-orders).
You can read all you want but you won't really understand electronics until it is on a breadboard and you can probe it with a DMM or scope.
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I did an electronics course in 1980.
We did theory in the morning and practical in the afternoons.
Nothing like sound of exploding electrolytic capacitors to show people are learning.
rstofer:
--- Quote from: nigelwright7557 on December 30, 2019, 06:33:35 pm ---
--- Quote from: rstofer on December 26, 2019, 05:23:32 pm ---Don't forget the lab manual "Learning the Art of Electronics" and the soon to be released "X Chapters" (Amazon is taking pre-orders).
You can read all you want but you won't really understand electronics until it is on a breadboard and you can probe it with a DMM or scope.
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I did an electronics course in 1980.
We did theory in the morning and practical in the afternoons.
Nothing like sound of exploding electrolytic capacitors to show people are learning.
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We didn't spend nearly enough time in lab. Most of the fellows were prior military techs or working as techs for the military. They didn't really need lab classes. I did... I had a pretty decent assortment of tools at home so it wasn't all bad.
HobGoblyn:
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--- Quote from: HobGoblyn on December 28, 2019, 04:17:53 pm ---
I suspect this is a silly question as surely two different books would have two different ISBN numbers.
If I search for 9780521370950
Some of the responses imply it's "The Art of Electronics", other responses imply it's "Study Guide for the Art if Electronics" but both have the second edition isbn number?
I suspect if I buy both, I will get two copies of the Art of Electronics and no study guide?
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I think it's just the way the search works on that site, it's pretty poor to be honest. I'd go off the titles, and assume if you click into "The Art of Electronics", you'll get the book, and if you click the Study Guide, then you'll get the study guide. (I don't know what the study guide is, but i'd assume the ISBN would have to be different?)
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Ah, if you ( @HobGoblyn ) can wait a couple more days I can tell you - I assumed as did Lesley, that the book title (and icon) would be accurate - so I ordered (I think) the Art of Electronics but can see why you asked your question, I'll know hopefully by the end of this week which I actually bought as they've said it will be posted shortly.
By the way this is what they listed on their email confirmation of my order :-
--- Quote from: anybook.biz ---The Art of Electronics (2nd edt)
Publisher: Cambridge University Press
ISBN: 9780521370950
Our ref: 678604 (2150g)
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I sent them the following email
--- Quote ---Hi
If I search for ISBN 9780521370950 I get two different books come up.
1) Study Guide for The art of Electronics
2) The Art of Electronics.
Both are different books, one is a study guide to be used along side the other.
I want no 2) The art of Electronics, but I will also happily buy the Study Guide too, however, as they both have the same ISBN, I don\'t want to order both and find I've got two copies of the same book, even worse, I don\'t want to order two and find I\'ve got two study guides.
Could you check this for me please. I want fair + condition, not poor.
Many thanks
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Here is their reply
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Thank you for your patience while these books were checked.
6849942,By (author) Cram101 Textbook Reviews,Studyguide for The Art of Electronics by Horowitz, Paul, ISBN 9780521370950 (Paperback) - Common,This is an ex-library book and may have the usual library/used-book markings inside.This book has hardback covers. In good all round condition. ,Cram101 Incorporated,Engineering,9780521370950,2013,2100gms, Asking Price GBP8.31,
All the copies with this ISBN are the textbook.
Sometimes an error occurs during cataloguing and it pulls incorrect publisher information from the web and lists the title as a Studyguide when it is not.
We will update the titles.
This copy 6849942 is in good condition. The plastic covering the dust jacket is torn, but the dust jacket underneath is in good condition. The binding is good and the pages appear clean and free of markings. There is a number written in pen on the top edge of the page block.
We hope this is helpful.
Please mail us if you have any questions.
Kind Regards
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The 4th paragraph says it isn't the study guide which is good to know
I like how they describe that particular book as both a paperback and hardback, am ordering it now :)
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