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| ebastler:
--- Quote from: pigtwo on March 27, 2019, 06:56:56 pm ---Why do you have to use ISE 10? ISE 14.7 supports all Spartan 3's. I've used ISE 14.7 for Spartan 3 designs and didn't run into many problems. Now ISE is not great but in my experience it's not crashing every 30 mins bad. For reference I've used ISE 14.7 on Windows 7 for years and it's fairly stable. I think for newer Windows you have to use a VM but it's about as painless as Xilinx could make it. But still a little crazy that you have to do that. --- End quote --- I second that. ISE 14.7 is the most recent release that you should use for the Spartan-3 and Spartan-6, I believe. It's old-fashioned and bloated, and sometimes gives spurious "synthesis failed" errors (upon which you just have to try again). But it has never crashed on me yet. Have you found this technote on how to fix things under Windows 10? Without the DLL swap desribed there, ISE terminates as soon as you open a file selection dialog, if I recall correctly: https://www.xilinx.com/support/answers/62380.html Edit: Ah, I see that rstofer has just beaten me to it. Edit2: Congratulations, rstofer, on post #5555! Now you can never post again to preserve that magic number. ;) (Or make 1111 posts real quick...) |
| rstofer:
In the bad old days, hobbyists wouldn't even have access to development tools like Vivado. Who would invest $200 million and then give the product away? One of the side effects of being really old is that I remember when static RAM came out and LEDs were a new thing. Along the way there were some neat devices for which I could never afford the tools. They were strictly marketed at manufacturers. From the point of view of support costs, it makes sense to avoid the hobbyists. |
| pigtwo:
--- Quote from: rstofer on March 27, 2019, 07:28:34 pm --- --- Quote from: pigtwo on March 27, 2019, 06:56:56 pm --- I think for newer Windows you have to use a VM but it's about as painless as Xilinx could make it. But still a little crazy that you have to do that. --- End quote --- You don't! I just followed the directions at Xilinx https://www.xilinx.com/support/answers/62380.html I found it with a Google search 'xilinx ise 14.7 windows 10 fix' This compatibility problem with Win 8.1 and Win 10 just isn't a big deal. Google is all over it! So is Xilinx. But that doesn't excuse the user from having to do a little searching. When I first installed 14.7 on Win 10, it blew up. Now what? It doesn't work! The sky is falling... So I Googled for the solution and, voila', I wasn't the first person to encounter the problem. It was a well known issue and the fix was also well known. No big deal! Just hit up Google, all of human knowledge is out there. --- End quote --- Oh wow! I was just thinking I didn't want to move to Windows 10 because I didn't want to deal with the whole ISE VM malarkey. I figured Xilinx was never providing any kind of support of ISE again. What's super weird is Xilinx had that special Windows 10 version that came on a VM. They went through all the trouble to package ISE in a VM and have the user interact with ISE through a VM when the fix was as simple as renaming files? Maybe I'm missing something about their reasoning for doing this but that seems like way more work than what the eventual fix was. |
| rstofer:
--- Quote from: pigtwo on March 27, 2019, 08:38:35 pm ---Oh wow! I was just thinking I didn't want to move to Windows 10 because I didn't want to deal with the whole ISE VM malarkey. I figured Xilinx was never providing any kind of support of ISE again. What's super weird is Xilinx had that special Windows 10 version that came on a VM. They went through all the trouble to package ISE in a VM and have the user interact with ISE through a VM when the fix was as simple as renaming files? Maybe I'm missing something about their reasoning for doing this but that seems like way more work than what the eventual fix was. --- End quote --- The Windows 10 version is a recent development. I installed 14.7 in August 2017 and this option wasn't available. It has been working ever since. I just went to Google... Maybe Xilinx took the easy way out and relieved themselves from taking heat over the file renaming solution. Or maybe their users weren't comfortable with changing file names "Here, run it this way and leave us alone!" |
| RoGeorge:
--- Quote from: Arznei on March 27, 2019, 05:50:22 pm ---Is it just me --- End quote --- Yes. Pretty much any professional and highly specialized (niche) software will be the same (I mean with compatibility issues years later). In fact some will be way worst, they won't run at all. Xilinx IDEs (including its former versions) are one of the most friendly and well maintained packages out there, maintained over many decades, on both Linux and Windows. Still available for download even today. For free. Compared with other SW IDEs, you must admit this is quite a record. Yet, one still need to RTFM. In my experience the Xilinx IDE was good. What version of Xilinx and version of OS are you using? Sometimes it's just the OS, and a virtual machine can fix the problems. |
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