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| rstofer:
--- Quote from: Ice-Tea on March 28, 2019, 02:54:37 pm --- --- Quote from: rstofer on March 28, 2019, 02:16:47 pm ---Having spent $200M, how much more should they spend on Vivado to add in obsolete devices for which there is already a free toolchain? --- End quote --- And as I mentioned before: how much can it really cost them to port it? I wouldn't even mind if ILA and other whistles and bells weren't supported. --- End quote --- Probably multiple millions. How far back should they go? If it cost $200M to create an IDE plus the hard part adding more 'hard part' isn't going to be free or even cheap. Plus they would have to maintain/upgrade/fix/validate (the really big cost) the new software to accommodate devices they no longer produced. What a colossal waste of money. They made a business decision: They had coverage for the older devices and they had a new toolchain for newer devices. They had no intention of supporting the older toolchain or the older devices. It was time to move on. We still have a toolchain for the obsolete devices. They didn't just withdraw the software, they drove a stake in the ground. Then they moved on. I support the decision and I'm sure the stockholders feel the same way. This is a business, not a hobby shop. In the end, it's about the money! |
| james_s:
I use ISE 14.7 on Win7 regularly and have for years, it works fine. I like the Altera software better in most cases but both are big bloated complex programs. This is just the nature of FPGAs, getting the toolchain running is the easy part. |
| Ice-Tea:
--- Quote from: rstofer on March 28, 2019, 03:41:15 pm --- --- Quote from: Ice-Tea on March 28, 2019, 02:54:37 pm --- --- Quote from: rstofer on March 28, 2019, 02:16:47 pm ---Having spent $200M, how much more should they spend on Vivado to add in obsolete devices for which there is already a free toolchain? --- End quote --- And as I mentioned before: how much can it really cost them to port it? I wouldn't even mind if ILA and other whistles and bells weren't supported. --- End quote --- Probably multiple millions. --- End quote --- I have no supporting evidence to the contrary but it seems a bit much. Especially if you put "a stake in the ground" concerning new features. --- Quote ---In the end, it's about the money! --- End quote --- Yes. Of which they will loose considerable amounts if people go shopping on the other side of the hedge because they are fed up with it. |
| james_s:
If they go shopping on the other side of the hedge they'll find exactly the same situation. I have two different versions of Quartus installed side by side in order to support all the devices I work with. |
| Ice-Tea:
I'm well aware. But the argument works in the other direction as well: a vendor that supports devices for longer in their latest SW would have an additional notch on their scoresheet while selecting devices which would bind customers more closely ;) |
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