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Unstable Pc performance and lack of visual smoothness.
« on: December 23, 2025, 12:31:20 am »


The purpose of this topic is to identify and eliminate (or mitigate) a reproducible problem on my own PC setup, in my current location, using realistic and accessible methods.

This is NOT a discussion about:
- psychology, perception, placebo, or adaptation
- FPS numbers, frametime graphs, or game optimization
- network latency or internet-related issues
- other people's experiences or anecdotes
- proving that the problem exists

Goal:
My goal is not to prove a theory or convince anyone.
My goal is to understand the cause well enough to reduce, eliminate, or work around the problem in practice.
Measurements are useful only if they help narrow the search space or guide corrective actions.
I am not interested in building expensive measurement setups purely for demonstration or proof.
I am deliberately avoiding speculative explanations and am only interested in mechanisms that can be tested or constrained under the stated limitations.

Unfortunately I have hard constraints:

- I cannot relocate to another place.
- I cannot transport the system to a different location anymore.
- I cannot buy professional lab equipment costing thousands.
- The problem must be investigated and solved (if possible) at my current location.
- Quite limited with my budget.
Suggestions that ignore these constraints are not actionable.

1. Observed behavior (facts only):

- Visual smoothness is unstable over time.
- There are no system crashes, no driver errors, no logged hardware faults.
- The system spontaneously switches between "better" and "worse" states without software or configuration changes.
- Standard performance metrics remain stable between "good" and "bad" states.
- The behavior can change within minutes.
- The problem is not related to FPS, frametime graphs, or benchmark results.
- Motion appears uneven, with visible stutter, ghosting, and loss of clarity.
- Mouse input feels inconsistent over time (heavier, less precise).
- Keyboard input latency feels inconsistent even when typing.
- The issue is present:
  - on the OS desktop,
  - in offline applications,
  - in offline games with no network activity.
- No system crashes, freezes, or application errors are observed.
- I am not asking whether this "should be possible". I am asking which physical parameters could plausibly influence timing and signal integrity under these constraints.

2. What is NOT the cause (tested and ruled out):
Software and OS:
- Multiple Windows versions (stock and custom).
- Driver changes and BIOS settings.
- System tweaks and optimizations.

Hardware:
- Different PCs, GPUs, monitors, mice, keyboards, cables.
- Different refresh rates (144–360 Hz).

Network:
- Different ISPs.
- Internet fully disconnected.
- Offline-only usage.

Power source:
- Normal grid power.
- Long power outages.
- City-wide blackout.
- 3 Portable power stations (battery operation).
- Generator power (with and without grounding).

Filtering and isolation:
- EMI filters (various types and ranges).
- Isolation transformer.
- Double-conversion UPS.
- Combinations of the above.
None of these produced a stable or lasting improvement.

3. Factors that partially affect the behavior:
This is my observations, not a conclusions.
1) Grounding configuration affects the behavior slightly as well as unstable neutral.
2) Cable routing (power, DisplayPort, USB) affects the behavior slightly.
3) Physical placement of the PC chassis affects the behavior slightly.
4) During unusual grid events (switching, outages), short-term changes are sometimes observed.
5) The old TV and the satellite receiver are completely disconnected and have no influence unless they are physically plugged into the mains.
When they are connected to the mains, the PC behavior clearly gets worse, so something is definitely coupling through the mains when those devices are powered.
However, even when they are fully disconnected and the PC is running only from the battery station, all the same core problems remain.
These effects are limited and do not resolve the problem.
6)Operating from a generator: Without grounding, there is extremely poor behavior, which results in severe desynchronization. After grounding the generator, it was slightly better, but it was still completely unstable.
7) When the voltage in the socket is constant, I see some changes on the screen, but only on mains.
8)Behavior changing after distribution transformer replacement
9) Day/night variation disappearing after adding a local ground reference

4. A radio-monitoring inspection was performed by the national regulator.
Results:
- No external RF interference above normal limits.
- No unacceptable emissions detected in public bands.
- The PC itself emits broadband noise roughly in the 300–700 MHz range at low levels.
- No violations or actionable findings were reported.

5. What is unknown

- Whether reference potential instability or common-mode effects can affect visual output and input timing without causing crashes.
- Which electrical or physical parameters are meaningful to observe with basic tools.
- Which simple experiments could falsify or confirm plausible mechanisms.

6. What kind of help is requested

I am looking for:
- Specific parameters worth monitoring with basic instruments.
- Simple, targeted experiments to narrow down the cause.
- Practical mitigation ideas that respect the stated constraints.

I am NOT looking for:
- General advice.
- Debates about perception or psychology.
- Statements like "this cannot happen" without a mechanism.
To sum everything up, this topic is about problem-solving, not debate. If you have a concrete technical idea, a measurable parameter, or a simple experiment that fits the constraints, please share it.






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Re: Unstable devices and visual smoothness problems in digital equipment
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2025, 01:28:34 am »
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I have a long-term, reproducible problem related to unstable input and unstable visual smoothness, which changes spontaneously over time.

From what you state, the problem is not reproducible. A problem is reproducible if the problem can be produced by following specific steps. Your problem is random, and you are chasing a ghost.

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similar symptoms are reported by people in other cities and countries. I have over 1000+ people experiencing literally the same problem from different parts of the world, and the same tests gave the same result.

That says it all. If 1000+ people report the same problem, the problem is not the earth connection of your computer, nor the transformer supplying power to your residence, the cable layout,...

Is this some kind of cloud gaming or streaming? If so, there isn't much you can do other than reporting the problem.
If everyone woke up tomorrow and felt like a dog does, the stock market would probably crash by noon.
 

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Re: Unstable devices and visual smoothness problems in digital equipment
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2025, 01:53:18 am »
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I have a long-term, reproducible problem related to unstable input and unstable visual smoothness, which changes spontaneously over time.

From what you state, the problem is not reproducible. A problem is reproducible if the problem can be produced by following specific steps. Your problem is random, and you are chasing a ghost.

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similar symptoms are reported by people in other cities and countries. I have over 1000+ people experiencing literally the same problem from different parts of the world, and the same tests gave the same result.

That says it all. If 1000+ people report the same problem, the problem is not the earth connection of your computer, nor the transformer supplying power to your residence, the cable layout,...

Is this some kind of cloud gaming or streaming? If so, there isn't much you can do other than reporting the problem.

This problem might be local at this point. I'm trying to find the problem and fix it.

If I take my PC and my entire peripheral and bring it to another place in which there is no such problem, everything would be just fine. But unfortunately I have no possibility to move for quite a while; that's why I'm trying to figure out the cause of it and find a solution.

It has nothing to do with cloud gaming; it's just my gaming PC in my home. Searching the forum, I have found a pretty similar problem, but as far as I understand, he used to have a problem with elevators in his place. Meanwhile, I have a private house. I don't have any elevators, but I have a similar problem. https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/pc-performance-correlated-with-relative-humidity/

Right now, I'm thinking about buying tinySA ultra to analyze the spectrum at my place, but I don't have any knowledge to do that. If there are any ideas of getting any devices that can detect the problem, I would be grateful for any kind of help. (preferably not expensive).

Most of my friends are suffering from this problem. But they are living in an apartment building, and most of them are having different degrees of this issue. And the issue depends on day and night; sometimes it's much better at night and worse during the day, but in my case I don't have such issues.
As far as I understand, it's an external problem.

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Re: Unstable Pc performance and lack of visual smoothness.
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2025, 02:19:52 am »
could the problem be you? we all have good n bad days,you could be having a bad day and not playing at 100% but your brain aint gonna accept responsibility so it subconsciously puts alternative causes of the problem in yer head
 

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Re: Unstable devices and visual smoothness problems in digital equipment
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2025, 02:26:57 am »

Right now, I'm thinking about buying tinySA ultra to analyze the spectrum at my place,

any electrical noise or even directed energy weapons strong enough to glitch your computer and trip the cpu into running at a frequency a tenth of normal would result in a total system crash. not this:

"In the “bad” state, other players or bots (including offline bots) appear excessively fast - objectively there is no time to react.

A monitor with a 144–540 Hz refresh rate does not feel like a high-refresh display, but rather like 15-60 Hz:"

hate to break it to you but this is in your head.
 

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Re: Unstable Pc performance and lack of visual smoothness.
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2025, 02:28:15 am »
could the problem be you? we all have good n bad days,you could be having a bad day and not playing at 100% but your brain aint gonna accept responsibility so it subconsciously puts alternative causes of the problem in yer head
Unfortunately, this problem isn't related to me; it's definitely a technical issue, and it has nothing to do with psychology. Since everyone whom I asked to check any monitor in my family. Including friends and even professional electricians and radio engineers, whom I invited for measurements, are noticing the same problem on my screen.
 

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Re: Unstable devices and visual smoothness problems in digital equipment
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2025, 02:29:49 am »

Right now, I'm thinking about buying tinySA ultra to analyze the spectrum at my place,

any electrical noise or even directed energy weapons strong enough to glitch your computer and trip the cpu into running at a frequency a tenth of normal would result in a total system crash. not this:

"In the “bad” state, other players or bots (including offline bots) appear excessively fast - objectively there is no time to react.

A monitor with a 144–540 Hz refresh rate does not feel like a high-refresh display, but rather like 15-60 Hz:"

hate to break it to you but this is in your head.

I have a video as proof. It's not in my head… https://youtu.be/GAnYFj4I_q0
 

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Re: Unstable Pc performance and lack of visual smoothness.
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2025, 06:00:49 am »
How about It could be very well windows problem.
 

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Re: Unstable Pc performance and lack of visual smoothness.
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2025, 06:18:28 am »
tl,;dr
Comes to mind:
could it be the task scheduler? Maybe hundreds of programs looking for updates twice or more a day? Eg WUSA, Windows-Security, Adobe, NVIDIA ...Firewalls?
Autostart entrys?
What shows the ressource monitor, when this happens.
Also have a look into event log for anomalies.
You can perform an extended virus check - eg Trendmicro-Housecall.
Combined with the last: from which source are the games?
 

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Re: Unstable Pc performance and lack of visual smoothness.
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2025, 08:32:30 am »
Various frame generation methods could also be responsible for this, they introduce higher input latency (they wait for next frame to be generated and put "fake" frames between real frames, and overall fps is higher but that wait for next frame introduces said input lag) and image smearing. So no wonder that 700+ frames feel like 60.
 

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Re: Unstable Pc performance and lack of visual smoothness.
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2025, 11:06:57 am »
So it happens on different computers running different versions of the OS, running all sorts of different programs. Different ISPs, different networks, different power sources, with and without mains filtering. And no serious RF present.

I think there are only two possibilities: you have either run into a fundamental limitation of Windows (a non-real-time OS) or you've run into your own limitations.

I'm inclined to suspect the former. It might be worth escalating the scheduling priority of the processes associated with the game - you can check online how to do that. It might well make a real difference. The usual caveats apply.

I know nothing about computer gaming - is there an alternative gaming platform you could try? Something completely different and nothing to do with Windows?
 

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Re: Unstable Pc performance and lack of visual smoothness.
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2025, 05:43:57 pm »
tl,;dr
Comes to mind:
could it be the task scheduler? Maybe hundreds of programs looking for updates twice or more a day? Eg WUSA, Windows-Security, Adobe, NVIDIA ...Firewalls?
Autostart entrys?
What shows the ressource monitor, when this happens.
Also have a look into event log for anomalies.
You can perform an extended virus check - eg Trendmicro-Housecall.
Combined with the last: from which source are the games?
As I said earlier, it's 100% not related to Windows. I have done such a huge work of finding the problem, and no matter what you do in Windows, the problem is always there. I have installed only a couple of programs and 2 games only. Nothing suspicious in any monitoring programs. Obviously I have checked the log, and there is nothing to look for. I have reinstalled Windows and tried almost every single possible build and version. I guarantee that Windows has nothing to do with the problem I'm talking about. There is absolutely no chance there is a virus on a system that has less than 10% of 512 GB disk and literally nothing installed but the mandatory stuff. And I reinstall Windows quite often.


 

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Re: Unstable Pc performance and lack of visual smoothness.
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2025, 05:54:57 pm »
Various frame generation methods could also be responsible for this, they introduce higher input latency (they wait for next frame to be generated and put "fake" frames between real frames, and overall fps is higher but that wait for next frame introduces said input lag) and image smearing. So no wonder that 700+ frames feel like 60.
I don't play the games that are using the DLSS and frame generator. Currently I'm playing Valorant (and trying to achieve something in the game itself) and KovaaK's, and the latter is an aim trainer that doesn't require any internet connection. My friends who are playing other games are noticing literally the same problems with other games, which means that the problem isn't in the games in the first place either. This issue occurs even on desktop while dragging the file explorer or moving the mouse.
 

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Re: Unstable Pc performance and lack of visual smoothness.
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2025, 06:05:10 pm »
As I said earlier, it's 100% not related to Windows. I have done such a huge work of finding the problem, and no matter what you do in Windows, the problem is always there.
Much of the issues are Windows related. Reinstalling and similar things don't help unless you include a non windows system. Even than Linux or similar could still have the same issue.

A very typical issue with windows are some background task that somethines take up quite some time / bandwidth. This are thinks like check for updates, downloading Windows updates that are supposedly in the background, but could still block the PC for a second or so.
Windows is not real time and this somethimes gets noticable.
 

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Re: Unstable Pc performance and lack of visual smoothness.
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2025, 06:27:39 pm »
This issue occurs even on desktop while dragging the file explorer or moving the mouse.

then the problem is your hardware, and has nothing to do with the game.
 

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Re: Unstable Pc performance and lack of visual smoothness.
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2025, 06:32:34 pm »
I had terrible performance on my previous PC before I changed my SSD in it. It gradually went bad.
 

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Re: Unstable Pc performance and lack of visual smoothness.
« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2025, 06:40:32 pm »
I see a common troubleshooting roadblock here. If you have been working on this problem for two years without finding a solution, there is something formidable standing in your way. That is your exclusion of certain possibilities, particularly those as complicated as operating systems, and the virus's and malware that can go with them. To absolutely rule out possibilities like that, you are severely limiting your thinking. Until you find the solution, ruling out anything except the most basic "are you sure it is plugged in" causes are going to haunt you.
 
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Re: Unstable Pc performance and lack of visual smoothness.
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2025, 06:42:11 pm »
I had terrible performance on my previous PC before I changed my SSD in it. It gradually went bad.

last night i opened a couple spreadsheets on a hard drive, left them open.
closed them this morning.

in the 8 seconds of time it took the hard drive to spin up, so the lock file could be erased, windows was completely frozen. i attempted to click on another application to bring it to the front and it did not, until that hard drive spun up and erased the lock file and closed the spreadsheet.

windows is dead.
 

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Re: Unstable Pc performance and lack of visual smoothness.
« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2025, 07:25:31 pm »
So it happens on different computers running different versions of the OS, running all sorts of different programs. Different ISPs, different networks, different power sources, with and without mains filtering. And no serious RF present.

I think there are only two possibilities: you have either run into a fundamental limitation of Windows (a non-real-time OS) or you've run into your own limitations.

I'm inclined to suspect the former. It might be worth escalating the scheduling priority of the processes associated with the game - you can check online how to do that. It might well make a real difference. The usual caveats apply.

I know nothing about computer gaming - is there an alternative gaming platform you could try? Something completely different and nothing to do with Windows?
There is no need for an alternative gaming platform to try since I'm not a console user; I don't even have one, but when I used to visit my friends who had one, we did experience the same issue over there as well, since the problem is external, as I said before.
 

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Re: Unstable Pc performance and lack of visual smoothness.
« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2025, 07:28:01 pm »
As I said earlier, it's 100% not related to Windows. I have done such a huge work of finding the problem, and no matter what you do in Windows, the problem is always there.
Much of the issues are Windows related. Reinstalling and similar things don't help unless you include a non windows system. Even than Linux or similar could still have the same issue.

A very typical issue with windows are some background task that somethines take up quite some time / bandwidth. This are thinks like check for updates, downloading Windows updates that are supposedly in the background, but could still block the PC for a second or so.
Windows is not real time and this somethimes gets noticable.

I already said it's not a Windows issue, because the problem disappears when I move the same PC and monitor to another location. But since we have a war going on, I don't have any possibilities to move (the problem was here before the war started).
 

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Re: Unstable Pc performance and lack of visual smoothness.
« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2025, 07:30:03 pm »
This issue occurs even on desktop while dragging the file explorer or moving the mouse.

then the problem is your hardware, and has nothing to do with the game.
Yes, exactly; that's why I'm trying to figure out what the cause of the issue is. Since my work is "gaming on a high level," it's super noticeable over there.
 

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Re: Unstable Pc performance and lack of visual smoothness.
« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2025, 07:35:21 pm »
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Seriously - do you understand logic? You've changed everything except the OS, so it can only be the OS or you. There is literally nothing else.

Without knowing from user account (local or microsoft account), which various anti virus software is installed (enabled or not), bitlocker/onedrive/ search indexer/ and-god-knows-what-else-is-loading-at-startup (AGKWEILAS  for short)  to observations/listing / screenshots of what task manager and resource manager is doing in good times and bad, this can go on forever.....
Sometimes whatever version video driver or disk drive controller driver is being used, it's the wrong one and you need to go a version up and sometimes a version down.

And...sometimes you can have similar symptoms with different causes on different machines...
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Re: Unstable Pc performance and lack of visual smoothness.
« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2025, 07:49:44 pm »
I had terrible performance on my previous PC before I changed my SSD in it. It gradually went bad.
I asked a couple of my friends to bring their PCs and notebooks, and they literally had the same problem in my place. The same goes with my family's notebooks and even TVs. And even every single bulb is shining less intensely than it used to.

The same goes with my main monitor; I used to have 100% brightness on my Alienware AW2521H for many years, until my electricity company did something to my previous 1963 transformer (after my thousands of appeals), so after that everything was brighter, like 15%. So I had to change my monitor to 85%; otherwise my eyes would bleed at just looking at it. (It's not related to any problems with my eyes, since everyone in my family noticed that every bulb became brighter).

A couple of months ago my electricity company changed the distribution transformer to a newer one that was made in 2005 for my street, and my monitor's brightness became dimmer again, so I had to go back to 100% brightness since everything became dimmer again like it used to. After more than 20 letters and numerous calls to the center of the electricity company, I didn't receive any logical explanation of what happened and what they did.
 

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Re: Unstable Pc performance and lack of visual smoothness.
« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2025, 07:51:32 pm »
I already said it's not a Windows issue, because the problem disappears when I move the same PC and monitor to another location. But since we have a war going on, I don't have any possibilities to move (the problem was here before the war started).

Oh, I'm sorry! I could have sworn you said the location made no difference. Please accept my apologies.
 

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Re: Unstable Pc performance and lack of visual smoothness.
« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2025, 07:53:18 pm »
I see a common troubleshooting roadblock here. If you have been working on this problem for two years without finding a solution, there is something formidable standing in your way. That is your exclusion of certain possibilities, particularly those as complicated as operating systems, and the virus's and malware that can go with them. To absolutely rule out possibilities like that, you are severely limiting your thinking. Until you find the solution, ruling out anything except the most basic "are you sure it is plugged in" causes are going to haunt you.
It has nothing to do with any viruses or malware on a completely new device that is suffering from the same problem.
 


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