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All EEVblog Videos now available on LBRY
« on: September 21, 2017, 12:21:36 am »
It's a new distributed block chain based content system, check it out:
https://lbry.io/
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The developers pulled over all my content from Youtube which took several weeks.
 

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Re: All EEVblog Videos now available on LBRY
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2017, 12:46:37 am »
"This software is in beta. It may crash, work unreliably, or inadvertently put a curse on your family for generations (a common programming error). "

FAIL.  WTF?  What's the point.  I am reluctant to download software that isn't in the official Debian repositories.
 

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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2017, 01:47:30 am »
"This software is in beta. It may crash, work unreliably, or inadvertently put a curse on your family for generations (a common programming error). "

FAIL.  WTF?  What's the point.  I am reluctant to download software that isn't in the official Debian repositories.

Not a FAIL, just unusual honesty. The same is true of much (most?) software you pay for.
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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2017, 01:49:48 am »
I hope this is more than just "Must jump on the buzzword-du-jour cart, and today that cart is labelled 'block-chain'".
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Re: All EEVblog Videos now available on LBRY
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2017, 02:11:45 am »
I think most things need to go 'pay for actual usage'.  Here in the US the telcos love to sell unlimited plans but cut you off if you actually 'use too much'.  Like they are giving Grandma who only checks her email once a week refunds.
 

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Re: All EEVblog Videos now available on LBRY
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2017, 02:47:19 am »
I waited for minutes for any video to load. Doesn't seem to work here in Chile.

Never mind. I closed the program and restarted it, Seems to work now.
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Re: All EEVblog Videos now available on LBRY
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2017, 03:43:36 am »
I think what bothers me most is that they allude to using your network connection and computer to serve up content but don't state it explicitly.  If it is 'block chain' I'd expect to receive credit of some sort in exchange.  Again, this isn't spelled out.  It said you can charge for content?  Can I offset that by uploading more than I download?  I have no problem with that, but again, too much that isn't said here.  Google doesn't turn up enough to give me an informed opinion either.  I'll wait.
 

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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2017, 02:27:19 pm »
I think what bothers me most is that they allude to using your network connection and computer to serve up content but don't state it explicitly.  If it is 'block chain' I'd expect to receive credit of some sort in exchange.  Again, this isn't spelled out.  It said you can charge for content?  Can I offset that by uploading more than I download?  I have no problem with that, but again, too much that isn't said here.  Google doesn't turn up enough to give me an informed opinion either.  I'll wait.

It took me literally less than 5 seconds to find the FAQ item that answers most of those questions:

How does content hosting work?

Right now, it's simple: you host what you download.

While the LBRY app is running, it communicates to the network what content you're making available.

Think of it like how torrents or any other peer-to-peer (P2P) service works. First you download a file from the hosts that have it available. When the download has finished, you become a host in the network other people can download from.

Please note: Hosting fees are currently disabled on the network as we work on a better way to implement the fee structure
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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2017, 03:20:14 pm »

It took me literally less than 5 seconds to find the FAQ item that answers most of those questions:

How does content hosting work?

Right now, it's simple: you host what you download.

While the LBRY app is running, it communicates to the network what content you're making available.

Think of it like how torrents or any other peer-to-peer (P2P) service works. First you download a file from the hosts that have it available. When the download has finished, you become a host in the network other people can download from.

Please note: Hosting fees are currently disabled on the network as we work on a better way to implement the fee structure

Well, excuse me.  Stupid web page layout on their part.  Two urls on the same line that looked like the same link.  :--  So, this is basically bit torrent that you can charge for?   Bittorrent can be horribly slow because more people download than upload.  Many reasons for this.  Probably the biggest is illegal content.  People don't want to get caught uploading it but will risk downloading.  People with the illegal material will continue to download and block uploads.  Another is the internet provider generally sets up the firewall to prevent local server connections and most users will be clueless on how to change it.  In the US download speeds are generally much higher than upload speeds for the same reason.   They don't want you running a home server.  Youtube is just click and play and already supported by your favorite browser.  In the US as soon as the kill net neutrality rules Youtube will pay for prioritization and the providers will be free to slow your LBRY link to 1 bit per day.

This company is probably  going to have to seriously supplement bandwidth, especially in the beginning, and hope for a ground swell to make it take off.  I'm doubtful.

EDIT:  PS
Don't get me wrong.  I like some of the things that it COULD make possible.  See my above statements about 'pay as you go/per use/whatever' but they say they haven't even figured out a fee structure yet?  Again, if I upload more than I download will I get a credit on material with a fee? 
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Re: All EEVblog Videos now available on LBRY
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2017, 04:11:39 pm »
The biggest thing that bothers me.
Why do I need to download another program (again) to just see videos?
This could be very easily implemented in a web-based environment  :--
It's even 50MB?  :-//
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Re: All EEVblog Videos now available on LBRY
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2017, 04:18:19 pm »
The biggest thing that bothers me.
Why do I need to download another program (again) to just see videos?
This could be very easily implemented in a web-based environment  :--
It's even 50MB?  :-//

I can't say anything about the website at all, but perhaps downloading/uploading the videos (especially uploading) would take too much space for HTML 5 storage? I'm not really sure about the actual necessity.
 

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Re: All EEVblog Videos now available on LBRY
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2017, 04:33:30 pm »
The biggest thing that bothers me.
Why do I need to download another program (again) to just see videos?
This could be very easily implemented in a web-based environment  :--
It's even 50MB?  :-//

You've missed the point entirely. It's a distributed system - there are no servers as there would be with a "web-based environment" which presupposes web 'servers' and 'clients'. You need another program because none of the ones you currently have understand how to implement the distribution protocol, even if you have zillions that understand how to play the video that is distributed.
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Re: All EEVblog Videos now available on LBRY
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2017, 02:53:02 am »
What would work great is if it could run over P2P Wifi. Set up a bunch of hotspots in densely populated areas where fast, unlimited Internet is expensive and/or hard to get and it would probably become quite popular.
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Re: All EEVblog Videos now available on LBRY
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2017, 02:28:49 am »
You've missed the point entirely. It's a distributed system - there are no servers as there would be with a "web-based environment" which presupposes web 'servers' and 'clients'. You need another program because none of the ones you currently have understand how to implement the distribution protocol, even if you have zillions that understand how to play the video that is distributed.
Doing it browser based shouldn't be impossible, though I'm not sure whether you'd actually want to.
 

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Re: All EEVblog Videos now available on LBRY
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2019, 04:36:03 pm »
What would work great is if it could run over P2P Wifi. Set up a bunch of hotspots in densely populated areas where fast, unlimited Internet is expensive and/or hard to get and it would probably become quite popular.

Worse, I think.  After I closed the app I looked at task manager and it was still running and doing (stuff?)  I found that if I close the app while running a video the video continues.  So I worry what this thing is doing when I'm  not watching it.

Another point ... the warning that my post might not be relevant because it was more than 120 days since the last one was interesting.  I see that this thread goes back to 2017!  Given that the EEVBlog is one of the very few bits of content on this service and that most of the other stuff is, to say the least, of much lower quality ... what is the point?  I'm right up there with most people who have a problem with Google and it's demonstrably evil orientation, but if there is nothing to watch here, what's the point?
 

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« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2019, 02:39:09 am »
Another point ... the warning that my post might not be relevant because it was more than 120 days since the last one was interesting.  I see that this thread goes back to 2017!  Given that the EEVBlog is one of the very few bits of content on this service and that most of the other stuff is, to say the least, of much lower quality ... what is the point?  I'm right up there with most people who have a problem with Google and it's demonstrably evil orientation, but if there is nothing to watch here, what's the point?

It's the old critical mass problem.
LBRY isn't sexy enough to get any of the big Youtubers over. Bitchute has been far more successful at that.
 


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