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What contributor video frequency would you like to see when I'm away?

A video every day
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Every two days
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Every three days
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Only a couple in total
16 (13.2%)
I don't want any contributed video, I don't like the idea.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guest Videos Request
« Reply #75 on: January 09, 2018, 01:20:18 am »
To be fair, watching your video, 19 seconds is enough to tell what the video is going to be about.
It's likely that Dave wasn't interested in the type of video that you made.

There's that, too.

There's an even simpler explanation....

Dave already had a number of candidates and this subject didn't really rate against those.
 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guest Videos Request
« Reply #76 on: January 09, 2018, 07:50:45 am »
To be fair, watching your video, 19 seconds is enough to tell what the video is going to be about.
It's likely that Dave wasn't interested in the type of video that you made. Thats just something you'll have to deal with.

And also @Brumby
Sure!
I'm not looking for en explanation. I think my video can not competition with others in a lot of aspects!
As I told I'm not complaining about that. I'm angry sure! How would not be. Just Expressing my feelings  :(


Welcome to the real world where complaining does not help your case.

A: This whole thing is based on generosity from Dave.
B: It is purely subjective
C: No one owes you anything regardless of how much effort you put in.
D: Use that energy to put up some content that captures an audience
E: If you want a channel - it requires constantly doing what you did. Over and over. Only each video is better than the last.


It is far harder than it looks right? Move on. Learn something. Do better tomorrow.

Yes and no!
Dave is making content with very less effort. Nearly no cutting and talking on the fly. It's like 2 times overhead I think. SURE some videos are much more effort but in average there are not.

As he told he is not good in production of content Bevorhand. So he needs us! He can be happy that there was so much response!
And the first video was extremely time consuming to make. Very shoot looks planed and nicely executed. So it's much higher quality contact.
He will profit a lot from that. Even when he splits earrings. The subscription count is important.
You see what he can do on Kickstarter ;-)

You right I think it will be the last time I spent my time to help Dave!

Sure I would profit much more then him but this is how a win win Situation ist working. And when I calculate my effort the video would cost him around 3000 to 5000€ ;-)

I hope you understand my point now. Communication is key! Dave is not a God  :-/O

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guest Videos Request
« Reply #77 on: January 09, 2018, 08:00:29 am »
Wow..... that was a crazy response.

This whole thing is Dave's sandbox that we all play in. His channel, forum, and rules.

What does he 'need' from you? Nothing. What do you need from him? Apparently a whole lot.

Dave has been reasonable and fair in the way he conducts his business which explains the huge audience. You are not being reasonable in any way.

Make your own sandbox and invite 500,000 people to come play.

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guest Videos Request
« Reply #78 on: January 09, 2018, 08:17:34 am »
Wow..... that was a crazy response.

This whole thing is Dave's sandbox that we all play in. His channel, forum, and rules.

What does he 'need' from you? Nothing. What do you need from him? Apparently a whole lot.

Dave has been reasonable and fair in the way he conducts his business which explains the huge audience. You are not being reasonable in any way.

Make your own sandbox and invite 500,000 people to come play.

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Shure I like Dave he is a very nice guy at least what I can tell from his videos and Twitter :-)

If you remember he ask us for gust videos ;-)

And yes he built this world! But this dos not make me afraid to speak up  :box:

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guest Videos Request
« Reply #79 on: January 09, 2018, 10:40:20 am »

Dave is making content with very less effort. Nearly no cutting and talking on the fly. It's like 2 times overhead I think. SURE some videos are much more effort but in average there are not.

As he told he is not good in production of content Bevorhand. So he needs us! He can be happy that there was so much response!

I think you are wrong. It is only 12 days. Not an uncommon amount of time without new content for his channel. Besides that his content and overall quality is great. He will not lose subscribers for 12 days without a video.

A lot of views are probably not from subscribes so there is a big chance they do not even notice that he has not made new video's in 12 days.
I watched him from the first video but subscribed something like 2 years ago.

The risk for Dave is that people do not like the content and cancel their subscription to Daves channel. And he can mis potential new subscribers who do not know about this situation.

And about costing no time or effort, if 100 people responded he must look through 100 video's.
My video is 53 minutes, the first guest made 2 videos of 30 minutes. That takes a lot of time.

If I see a video and there is not something that appeals me from the start I "zap" away.
I watched the first two and I both liked them. I do not know if Dave has chosen my video. I'm just starting and have a lot to learn so I understand he if he does not use it. And if not I, just release it on my channel. That is no waste of my time because I would have made it anyhow. I make them because  I hope it helps to educate some people like others on you tube educated me. And I'm happy they sacrificed a lot of their free time to do so.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guest Videos Request
« Reply #80 on: January 09, 2018, 12:01:24 pm »
Wow..... that was a crazy response.
Spectacularly so.


Sure I would profit much more then him but this is how a win win Situation ist working.
The win-win isn't a promise - it was an opportunity.  You took a shot, which is good, but it didn't make the cut.  Did Dave promise you a review?  I don't recall reading anything like that.


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And when I calculate my effort the video would cost him around 3000 to 5000€ ;-)
The value of your time is irrelevant - and mentioning it like you have indicates you feel Dave has an obligation to appease you.  Sorry - I don't see that being offered or even inferred anywhere.

By spitting the dummy here, you have done more to alienate members than attract new subscribers.
 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guest Videos Request
« Reply #81 on: January 09, 2018, 01:15:00 pm »
OK looks like I'm the troll here |O

I'm sorry! I was angry about the quick judgment. And I understand that I was wrong to complain.
At least he watched it. Its his channel, his rules, his game!

And I understand the more you argument the more it can escalate.
And he has this experience and learned his lessen as he told before!
Don't feed the trolls (me)  :palm:

I like Dave!I watched nearly every video started at #300 I think!
He is quit an personality and has quit some expertise!

I don't want to make a big conflict here!  :o

Its just my personal opinion that more communication would be very important.
And the least what I would personally expect is an short answer (even an generic one). 
"Thanks for you entry. There where to many entries this year. Maybe try it next year ...."

Or am I really wrong on this one too?   :scared:

There where even so little information that I was thinking he maybe picked my video and I just don't know it  :-DD

 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guest Videos Request
« Reply #82 on: January 09, 2018, 02:11:15 pm »
Making a video for this was a roll of a dice for people, it was an absolute crazy opportunity to reach a much wider audience than normal.

I'd say Dave got a bigger response that he was expecting, it originally started out as 1 or 2 and ended up with 12. With Christmas being a busy time I could imagine it being hard to get back to everyone. Ideally it would have been good to get some form of a message back, but might have been hard to do as maybe a final decision wasn't made after watching it first (or just getting an idea of what it was). I think in general Dave is generous with his time (has reviewed some channels in the other blog section, and in my very limited experience replied back to any email I have sent him) so I definitely wouldn't hold it against him.

I also don't really agree that this is a win-win situation, this way more win for the content creator. I'd imagine if anything Dave will lose some subs by doing this over not doing anything for this amount of time.

Joel (the first video) has gained 4K subs in 2 days (close to doubling his channel size)
Karl (2nd video) has gained about 1k subs since last night (over quadrupling his)

It took me one year, 22 videos and maybe 10 live streams and a huge amount of hustling (posting to twitter/reddit/instructables) to gain 1k subs and Karl has gained more than that in less than 24 hours (which I'm honestly delighted about, I can only imagine how he's feeling today!)

For what it's worth pknoe3lh, I thought your video was good and well made but is probably more similar to what you would see somewhere like greatscott rather than the eevblog. Another thing that may have went against you is other than the scope video (which was 5 months ago) your last video was 11 months ago (at time of review) so your channel wasn't very active at time of review. If you enjoy doing the videos stick at it!
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guest Videos Request
« Reply #83 on: January 09, 2018, 02:57:58 pm »
I'd say Dave got a bigger response that he was expecting, it originally started out as 1 or 2 and ended up with 12. With Christmas being a busy time I could imagine it being hard to get back to everyone.
I think so too :-) 


It took me one year, 22 videos and maybe 10 live streams and a huge amount of hustling (posting to twitter/reddit/instructables) to gain 1k subs and Karl has gained more than that in less than 24 hours (which I'm honestly delighted about, I can only imagine how he's feeling this today!)
It's really hard work and every subscriber counts!!!!!
You can ask my wife every time my subscriber count is going up i tell her immediately ^^
I have a subscriber display in my labor so i can watch it in real time :-)


For what it's worth pknoe3lh, I thought your video was good and well made but is probably more similar to what you would see somewhere like greatscott rather than the eevblog. Another thing that may have went against you is other than the scope video (which was 5 months ago) your last video was 11 months ago (at time of review) so your channel wasn't very active at time of review. If you enjoy doing the videos stick at it!

Thanks :-)
Yes a lot changed in the last year. I have my own family now an the priorities shifting and I don't have so much time left for producing videos in my free time ... but this will get better in the next years :box:
I also have my own part time business now too.
I like to make the videos a lot and I also like to educate people. But most people find tutorials boring as hell ... that's why for the moment I'm stuck to project videos.

When i have time I will check out you channel ;-)


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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guest Videos Request
« Reply #84 on: January 09, 2018, 03:23:20 pm »
I know the feeling man! I have a 16 month old daughter and it's tough to find the time to do stuff. It's often at the sacrifice of gaming with my mates or even sleep  :=\

I'm absolutely no expert but if I could make a suggestion for your channel: play around with different video styles and consider simplifying your projects. As you mentioned you don't have too much free time, but your video style takes a long time to make (I know because some of mine are similar).

Your at a stage where you can experiment with your channel and find a style that suits your free time. Maybe try do a more EEVblog style video, it's way faster. And maybe play around with something in between (where you can still have some timelapses etc)

That YT sub counter is great looking, for me it's honestly up there with Dave's Nixie tube one if not nicer. But your could have made that project a lot easier for yourself, if you used a wemos d1 mini and a 7 segment display module and the end product would still pretty much look the same. Maybe just for the time being you should take some shortcuts on some parts of your projects til you have more time.

Yeah tutorials can be boring, but maybe try think of ways you could make them interesting or unique. I make some videos that I call Two minute tidbits, where I try explain something in two minutes. The second most viewed video on my channel is one of these videos on WiFiManager (which i know you went over in at least one of your videos). So see if you can break some parts out to its own video that you can reference back to

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guest Videos Request
« Reply #85 on: January 09, 2018, 03:47:59 pm »
My wife is angry ... I spend a big part of our Holidays on it   :scared:

Be a man and mark your territory. This and the rest of your posts shows you are thin skinned.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guest Videos Request
« Reply #86 on: January 09, 2018, 05:34:49 pm »
My wife is angry ... I spend a big part of our Holidays on it   :scared:

Be a man and mark your territory. This and the rest of your posts shows you are thin skinned.

Who is trolling Whom now ;D

My Vater was that kind of person. My parents are divorced .. need I tell more?
My wife and I are discussing every decision on equal terms and execute them together (when support is needed)
I prefer it that way! And It's very important for me to spend as much time as possible with my child. (my father did not)

How is you family doing?  8)

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guest Videos Request
« Reply #87 on: January 09, 2018, 11:01:45 pm »
OK looks like I'm the troll here |O

I'm sorry! I was angry about the quick judgment. And I understand that I was wrong to complain.
At least he watched it. Its his channel, his rules, his game!

And I understand the more you argument the more it can escalate.
And he has this experience and learned his lessen as he told before!
Don't feed the trolls (me)  :palm:

I like Dave!I watched nearly every video started at #300 I think!
He is quit an personality and has quit some expertise!

I don't want to make a big conflict here!  :o

Its just my personal opinion that more communication would be very important.
And the least what I would personally expect is an short answer (even an generic one). 
"Thanks for you entry. There where to many entries this year. Maybe try it next year ...."

Or am I really wrong on this one too?   :scared:

There where even so little information that I was thinking he maybe picked my video and I just don't know it  :-DD

Don't beat yourself up too much.

While your reaction was unfortunate, we can understand where it comes from.  The fact that you've "owned" it, showed your understanding and made an apology has helped your online image recover - at least in my eyes.

As for the issue of communication - as it has been said, Dave has finite resources.  If there were 1,000 submissions and Dave passed on 950 of them, then providing 950 personalised messages would mean an inordinate and impractical amount of work.  Even if it were only 100 submissions with 70 not selected, that's still a lot of messages.

If anything, I might expect that - at some point - Dave may do a quick EEVblab to cover all the submissions, including how the whole exercise went and whether it might become an annual event.
 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guest Videos Request
« Reply #88 on: January 10, 2018, 02:15:34 am »
The handful of videos that I have personally made for YouTube have all taken a pile of time. The end result does not look like it either.

Coming from the film and TV industry - I know how much work it is to plan, prep, shoot, edit, etc. The trick is to manage the complexity of the presentation to match the budget of time and money. If you have very little time and/or money - you have to go with a very simple concept and workflow. The only way to grow a YT channel to to pump out content with some regularity. If a single video crushes your, there is little chance you can keep that up long enough to get a hot channel going.

I specifically decided not to participate in this one because it would have really pushed my wife too hard. I already work too much.  :P
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guest Videos Request
« Reply #89 on: January 10, 2018, 07:56:06 am »
As for the issue of communication - as it has been said, Dave has finite resources.  If there were 1,000 submissions and Dave passed on 950 of them, then providing 950 personalised messages would mean an inordinate and impractical amount of work.  Even if it were only 100 submissions with 70 not selected, that's still a lot of messages.

I think (If there is a next time) I would recommend to choose some channels from the list (ore make a poll) and contact the constant producer directly. Therefore the response is limited and under control.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guest Videos Request
« Reply #90 on: January 10, 2018, 02:11:45 pm »
I like the first one



Agreed.  Good choice  :-+

The current episode of The Amp Hour #374 with Clifford Wolf is a good companion to this video (https://theamphour.com/374-an-interview-with-clifford-wolf/.  Discussion of the IceStorm toolchain and all of the components that go into it.

Warning: it's 2h40mins of FPGA goodness!  (Still only 0.8 on the Vincent Himpe Scale (Episode #169))

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guest Videos Request
« Reply #91 on: January 17, 2018, 08:37:23 am »
I'd say Dave got a bigger response that he was expecting, it originally started out as 1 or 2 and ended up with 12. With Christmas being a busy time I could imagine it being hard to get back to everyone. Ideally it would have been good to get some form of a message back, but might have been hard to do as maybe a final decision wasn't made after watching it first (or just getting an idea of what it was). I think in general Dave is generous with his time (has reviewed some channels in the other blog section, and in my very limited experience replied back to any email I have sent him) so I definitely wouldn't hold it against him.

Did you know that our video was chosen?
Congratulation!!!!!! I wish you a big gain in subscribers  :-+

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guest Videos Request
« Reply #92 on: January 17, 2018, 11:54:31 am »

Did you know that our video was chosen?
Congratulation!!!!!! I wish you a big gain in subscribers  :-+

Thanks a lot!

Dave had replied to say he liked it and that he would include it, but even with that I didn't want to get my hopes up too much + Dave and the other guest channels were not talking about it so I thought it was best to keep it to myself.

I'm very relieved that it's out! We didn't know the order that they were in (or at least I didn't!) so every evening around 20:30 Irish time it would be all I could think about til the guest video released (21:00).

Looks like it has been generally well received which I'm delighted about!

I'm up about 500 subs so far, which is insane! Lot's of people leaving comments on my older videos too which is great! It took me a year to get to 1K and it looks like I could double that shortly!

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guest Videos Request
« Reply #93 on: January 17, 2018, 12:35:07 pm »
Well just looking in this thread, I have a little less than 2000 subscribers on my channel, but I did not bother to try making a video for this say "contest". My content is usually boring (even though mostly electronics, sometimes a few cat videos or other stuff here and there) and I am not complaining, at all. I do not have any kind of half decent video recording equipment, so you would probably even not want to watch it at all (I mostly use my VGA camera or HD phone). And I do not like to talk in videos. My English is probably very bad too.

Just saying...  wish you luck with your video proposals for Dave.
 

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« Reply #94 on: January 17, 2018, 01:32:58 pm »
To be fair, watching your video, 19 seconds is enough to tell what the video is going to be about.
It's likely that Dave wasn't interested in the type of video that you made. Thats just something you'll have to deal with.

And also @Brumby
Sure!
I'm not looking for en explanation. I think my video can not competition with others in a lot of aspects!
As I told I'm not complaining about that. I'm angry sure! How would not be. Just Expressing my feelings  :(

Sorry I didn't reply, entirely my fault  :(
I don't recall exactly, but I think I got distracted watching your video and forgot to return to it and hence reply.
I remember thinking it was going to go on the under consideration list, it's not like I didn't like it and it wasn't worthy, I simply got distracted and goofed it.

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Dave is making content with very less effort. Nearly no cutting and talking on the fly. It's like 2 times overhead I think. SURE some videos are much more effort but in average there are not.

How do you think I have survived producing over 1200 videos and staying sane  ;D
As for "nearly no cutting", my average video has maybe 50-70 clips in it, really long ones can have hundreds of individually shot clips.
And I "cut" a good lot of those clips too, so my average video might have nearly 100 or more "cuts" in it.
Yes I simply press record and "talk on the fly", but what's the point?, that's my style, nothing else works for me. Not that it matters, every content producer has their own style.
 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guest Videos Request
« Reply #95 on: January 17, 2018, 01:39:36 pm »
To be fair, watching your video, 19 seconds is enough to tell what the video is going to be about.
It's likely that Dave wasn't interested in the type of video that you made. Thats just something you'll have to deal with.

And also @Brumby
Sure!
I'm not looking for en explanation. I think my video can not competition with others in a lot of aspects!
As I told I'm not complaining about that. I'm angry sure! How would not be. Just Expressing my feelings  :(

Sorry I didn't reply, entirely my fault  :(
I don't recall exactly, but I think I got distracted watching your video and forgot to return to it and hence reply.
I remember thinking it was going to go on the under consideration list, it's not like I didn't like it and it wasn't worthy, I simply got distracted and goofed it.

Well I got that completely wrong.  :-[

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guest Videos Request
« Reply #96 on: January 17, 2018, 01:41:11 pm »
Is it just me or anyone else had noticed, it appears that the last couple of guest videos were not included in the EEVBlog specific section on the forum?
 

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« Reply #97 on: January 17, 2018, 01:46:28 pm »
I think you are wrong. It is only 12 days. Not an uncommon amount of time without new content for his channel. Besides that his content and overall quality is great. He will not lose subscribers for 12 days without a video.

A lot of views are probably not from subscribes so there is a big chance they do not even notice that he has not made new video's in 12 days.
I watched him from the first video but subscribed something like 2 years ago.

Correct, I could have simply left for two weeks and not posted a thing and my channel would have been just fine.
Half my views come from searches on existing videos, and related video recommendations.
It would likely take a few months of no content for the algorithm to kick my channel into the ground and not recommend my videos any more.

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The risk for Dave is that people do not like the content and cancel their subscription to Daves channel. And he can mis potential new subscribers who do not know about this situation.

Yes, I took a risk on this, people not liking it, complaining or unsubscribing etc (which happened), but I thought it would be fun, and maybe I could help some other channels.

Got to admit I'm a bit disappointed in the views many of the guest videos got. The first one was good at 40k, but then it halved, and then halved again for many of the videos.
Of course it's always the title and thumbnail that decide if most people are going to watch, but I was hoping that more people would have "given them a go" so the speak. And of course you have to factor in the "I only subscribe for Dave's videos" people, which I entirely understand of course.
Anyway, it's been an interesting experiment.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guest Videos Request
« Reply #98 on: January 17, 2018, 01:51:09 pm »
Is it just me or anyone else had noticed, it appears that the last couple of guest videos were not included in the EEVBlog specific section on the forum?

I'm on walkabout, and this couldn't be pre-programmed.

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guest Videos Request
« Reply #99 on: January 17, 2018, 02:13:50 pm »
Thanks Dave! I thought everything was "automagic"  :P
 


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