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That setup was pretty damn impressive. I'm a bit of a photography nut and Canon fanboy myself.

I'm considering getting one of these http://www.adorama.com/ICADRT2I.html I've used SLR's from Canon before but this is the first digital SLR I've considered buying. Canon has used the same lens system since 1987, so I can reuse all my old lenses.

Can't wait to see the documentary.
 

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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2010, 08:42:52 pm »
what this got to do with electronics? the art/state of electronics? heck no! this is camera/videography we talking about. or..... equipments poison! i'd rather call this the art of electronics:


that guy is a photography super nuts! any pro videographer i've seen/read will not use a camera to make a video... try to handheld it and take some videos and see whats the outcome. but i dont say he cant do, time and era is changing. light is the main secret here, not that state of electronics 5D Mk2.

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Re: Canon 5D Mark II HD Video Documentary – Behind the Scenes
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2010, 09:25:03 pm »
what the hell are you on about ?

SLR's never used to even have filming functionalities, now that an electronic shutter can be incorporrated into an image sensor without noise increase and despite the fact that the camera has a mechanical shutter still and video camera's will inevitable merge, and why not !
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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2010, 09:34:27 pm »
that guy is a photography super nuts! any pro videographer i've seen/read will not use a camera to make a video... try to handheld it and take some videos and see whats the outcome. but i dont say he cant do, time and era is changing. light is the main secret here, not that state of electronics 5D Mk2.
Try to find a video camera with a 36x24mm sensor for $3k
 

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Re: Canon 5D Mark II HD Video Documentary – Behind the Scenes
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2010, 09:43:37 pm »
SKR quality film, well thats something I won't turn down, although as the chip heats up it will get noisier, thats why point and shoot camera's are crap because the run the sendor all the time having no optical view finder
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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2010, 09:46:39 pm »
My friend shoot this music video with his Canon 5D MkII camera:
That is GREAT camera for making HD videos and I really miss video feature on older DSLR cameras... (I have 'old' Canon 5D)...
 

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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2010, 09:49:06 pm »
that guy is a photography super nuts! any pro videographer i've seen/read will not use a camera to make a video...

The times, they are a-changing; the season finale of House was shot entirely on the 5D Mk II, so I guess at least some of the professionals are quite happy to use a DSLR for real video work now!
 

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« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2010, 10:58:30 pm »
that guy is a photography super nuts! any pro videographer i've seen/read will not use a camera to make a video...

The times, they are a-changing; the season finale of House was shot entirely on the 5D Mk II, so I guess at least some of the professionals are quite happy to use a DSLR for real video work now!

Yes indeed.
The film industry is going nuts over the 5D MkII.
It really is possible to shoot a feature movie with one of these.

Check out Karl's work on the Canon & HP TV ads, very impressive stuff indeed:
http://www.karlvonmoller.com/blog/

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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2010, 11:21:02 pm »
Try to find a video camera with a 36x24mm sensor for $3k
so what? my xl1s is 1/3" sensor 270K pixels capable of 720x480 vidz, and that $3k sensor is 22MPixels. if the guy is really into the state of EE, why dont he finds a way to create a 5616x3744 vidz. then thats art, thats state! if i want to do a HD documentary, i can as well use the $1K sony or canon camcorder.

surely they can put that FF sensor on a shoulder mount digital betacam and put the price to millions, but NO! for now, its just in your dream, they are not going to do that... why? because they are sucks and the engineers up there are doing nothing but licking their management dickhead!

now ok people. CALM DOWN! i'm not pushing anything, just my opinion OK? RELAX! COOL! Enjoy the Show. If you are happy about it, go for it! Cheers! ;)
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Re: Canon 5D Mark II HD Video Documentary – Behind the Scenes
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2010, 11:29:55 pm »
what this got to do with electronics? the art/state of electronics? heck no! this is camera/videography we talking about. or..... equipments poison! i'd rather call this the art of electronics:


that guy is a photography super nuts! any pro videographer i've seen/read will not use a camera to make a video...

Karl is a professional videoographer. Seen than Canon ads on TV, Karl is the one who directed and shot them!

What has this got to do with electronics? The documentary IS about the electronics industry, and I thought some people might like to see some behind the scenes footage about the rig used to shoot it.

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« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2010, 11:36:55 pm »
Yes indeed...
Check out Karl's work on the Canon & HP TV ads, very impressive stuff indeed:
http://www.karlvonmoller.com/blog/
impressive indeed! i'm not questioning his skills in photography or videography. his skills is well above mine. but 1st, he intrudes into EEVBlog (with Dave's permission of course!) and showing his super duper gears (price included, well again, Dave's asking)... ok, thats still ok, totally find. but what i dont really agree is that his word of "state of electronics". heck, the real electronics could have achieve more than that!

if that video comes out in Photog/Vids forum without including the "electronics" word... then i will be  :o
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Re: Canon 5D Mark II HD Video Documentary – Behind the Scenes
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2010, 11:41:04 pm »
so what? my xl1s is 1/3" sensor 270K pixels capable of 720x480 vidz, and that $3k sensor is 22MPixels. if the guy is really into the state of EE, why dont he finds a way to create a 5616x3744 vidz. then thats art, thats state! if i want to do a HD documentary, i can as well use the $1K sony or canon camcorder.

It's not about resolution but about chip size! As a photographer you should know about DOF and other photographic effects which are nearly impossible to achieve with that small 1/3" (or similar) camcorder sensors.
 

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« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2010, 11:41:18 pm »
Dave, you've got some work to catch with Karl's skills  ;)

Just viewed his Beekeeper vid from his blog - great stuff. "We've got the mod cons - we have electricity down the back" LOL.

As for his video bit at the end of you own Vblog it felt a bit dark, but perhaps I'm used to your own videos which light up well in the background.
But then again I suppose he is better at centering the audience's focus on the main subject, and the lighting achieves that by "blurring" the background "noise"
 

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« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2010, 11:49:25 pm »
Karl is a professional videoographer. Seen than Canon ads on TV, Karl is the one who directed and shot them!
is he using the 5D during the shooting? he is a professional videographer for christ sake! he should have a XL H1A or something.
well ok, maybe i've unintentionally accused him as a "super nuts" well, i'm sorry, i take my word back. he is not a "super nuts" he is a professional.
but.. maaaaybee, he is resembling the act of other "super nuts" and "equipments maniacs" out there, just in more professional way of presentation....
is that ok? is that right? correct me if i'm wrong ok?
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« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2010, 11:53:35 pm »
It's not about resolution but about chip size! As a photographer you should know about DOF and other photographic effects which are nearly impossible to achieve with that small 1/3" (or similar) camcorder sensors.
i think u have a misunderstanding there... DOF/bokeh/perpective effect are the function of lens aperture and focal length only. the function of chip size will equates to noise level, dynamic range, resolution.... and crop factor i think. ;)
my XL1S is an old a third inch sensor, but trust me! $1K or even larger sensor "handycam" cannot achieve the effect that it can get.
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« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2010, 12:00:47 am »
As for his video bit at the end of you own Vblog it felt a bit dark, but perhaps I'm used to your own videos which light up well in the background.
But then again I suppose he is better at centering the audience's focus on the main subject, and the lighting achieves that by "blurring" the background "noise"
thats the art of photography! (and i said, not the art of electronics). dont worry! u'll get used to it.
photographers hate crowded and "sharp" background, such as....... bunch of multimeters.... osciloscopes... etc ;).
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« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2010, 12:19:14 am »
and to cool you people down... yea! i have to agree, he got the top of the line gears. even for the mere lens hood is... what again? thousand? :o
thats the state of management!... oppppps... SORRY! not again!
anyway, why the video doesnt have the download link? >:(
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« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2010, 12:22:38 am »

i think u have a misunderstanding there... DOF/bokeh/perpective effect are the function of lens aperture and focal length only.

Yes, you are totally right on that ;)
But show me the lens for that small format sensor that can give cinematic like DOF and bokeh as Canon's 70-200 f2.8 L? Or 135mm f2 L? Or go as wide as Sigma 12-24mm lens on FF 5D body?
About noise you mentioned, 5D MkII is so free of noise in low light video that I still can't believe it's possible...
 

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« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2010, 12:25:26 am »
Shafri,

I think you are getting a bit too carried away with this particular blog episode.

It was obvious to me that Dave knows Karl through some prior association, and by the by Karl offered to show Dave his gear, and have a play in Dave's shed/lab.

Karl is FILMING, as another project, the Art of Electronics. This Vblog was not about the art of electronics.

At the end of the day, it came across to me as a pair of mates sharing their wares in Dave's shed. Not all that different to Dave visiting his mate and blowing up DMMs with unrealistic voltages.


 

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« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2010, 12:27:15 am »
i think u have a misunderstanding there... DOF/bokeh/perpective effect are the function of lens aperture and focal length only. the function of chip size will equates to noise level, resolution.... and crop factor i think. ;)
my XL1S is an old a third inch sensor, but trust me! $1K or even larger sensor "handycam" cannot achieve the effect that it can get.
Perspective is only a function of the subject distance, so the sensor doesn't matter. Bokeh is mainly a function of the lens. But DOF does depend on sensor size. The DOF is a function of the subject distance, focal length, a few lens parameters like pupil magnification and exit pupil diameter, and the circle of confusion. The circle of confusion is the largest blur spot on the sensor/film that the eye considers sharp from the viewing distance. For printed images, people often use something like the sensor diagonal / 1500 (actual value depends on enlargement, viewing distance, human vision). The sensor diagonal obviously depends on the sensor size. The DOF of a camera with a 43mm diagonal (36x24mm) is the same as the DOF of a 1/3rd inch sensor (7.21mm diagonal according to Wikipedia) with the aperture value about six times lower (for symmetrical lenses or subject distance >> focal length). So the 5DII at f/16 has the same DOF as your XL1S at f/2.8.
 

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« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2010, 12:53:38 am »
Dave, you've got some work to catch with Karl's skills  ;)

I don't dare even try!

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As for his video bit at the end of you own Vblog it felt a bit dark, but perhaps I'm used to your own videos which light up well in the background.
But then again I suppose he is better at centering the audience's focus on the main subject, and the lighting achieves that by "blurring" the background "noise"

Correct. The darkness and highlighting of the main subject was deliberate.
Also, the test video (and sound) has not been corrected in any way, Karl said there is a lot of editing work left to do in terms to tweaking the image to match what he wants and integrate it with the other footage from the other interviews.

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« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2010, 01:00:39 am »
Shafri,

I think you are getting a bit too carried away with this particular blog episode.

It was obvious to me that Dave knows Karl through some prior association, and by the by Karl offered to show Dave his gear, and have a play in Dave's shed/lab.

Karl is FILMING, as another project, the Art of Electronics. This Vblog was not about the art of electronics.

At the end of the day, it came across to me as a pair of mates sharing their wares in Dave's shed. Not all that different to Dave visiting his mate and blowing up DMMs with unrealistic voltages.

Karl has actually been watching the blog for a long time. He is shooting this documentary about the Australian electronics industry and wanted to include me as one of the interviewee's.
He was kind enough to explain and let me show off the gear he was using to the EEVblog audience.
He will also kindly let me upload the final documentary to show everyone.

Shafri (being a pro photographer?) might find using a 5D MK2 for video a bit offensive, but there is no mistaking that it is taking the world of video by storm. Some very high end productions are being shot with it, and that's a fact.

BTW, it also uses the 3rd party firmware tweaked for manual video control etc.

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« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2010, 01:10:55 am »
Can you let us know whats going on with this so we might be able to watch it?

He is shooting this documentary about the Australian electronics industry and wanted to include me as one of the interviewee's.
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« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2010, 01:42:34 am »
But show me the lens for that small format sensor that can give cinematic like DOF and bokeh as Canon's 70-200 f2.8 L? Or 135mm f2 L? Or go as wide as Sigma 12-24mm lens on FF 5D body?
yea yea you are right, there is no video lens option for f1.2L AFAIK, gotta to associate with Steven Spielberg on that. but.... yea, put it on! put the 70-200 f2.8L on the 5D2 and try to make the shooting, it will be more fun for the handheld type of video. dont tell me about image stabilization feature, i know that. but.. i dont know, never tried that, maybe you did ???

Perspective is only a function of the subject distance, so the sensor doesn't matter...
you are right! but i only give you 66.666% mark for that 2 points. the exact answer should be:
Perspective is only a function of the subject distance and focal length, so the sensor doesn't matter. = 100% mark answer

Bokeh is mainly a function of the lens.
80% mark... 100% = Bokeh is mainly a function of the lens aperture.

But DOF does depend on sensor size. The DOF is a function of the subject distance, focal length, a few lens parameters like
pupil magnification and exit pupil diameter, and the circle of confusion
. The circle of confusion is the largest blur spot on the sensor/film that the eye considers sharp
from the viewing distance.
0% mark... why? you copy-pasted other people's work!
i probably give you some mark if you wrote...
DOF does depend on distance between sensor plane to the focal point.

let me tell you a secret, that nobody on earth do care to put it on the internet. COC is a subjective matter, it varies with each different observer, trust me, it cannot be counted in the engineering equation. just like colors or your favourite food.
thats why you cannot see a value to the exact COC anywhere. canon, nikon, sony, etc etc camera makers got their own value to the COC specification.
but pixel pitch and size does affect COC and its observer, but again... not the sensor size, its the size of a single photodetector on the sensor, there are twenty two millions of it.

man! do i have to read all those theoritical? i'm a postgraduate pal! reading is not my type anymore! photography?! i'm tired already! plsss! not the 1/a=1/b+1/c?!

For printed images, people often use something like the sensor diagonal / 1500 (actual value depends on enlargement, viewing distance, human vision).
The sensor diagonal obviously depends on the sensor size.
yup yup! PRINTING! it has to do with resolution! thats why sensor size (pixel count actually) comes into equation/discussion. if you talk about resolution, then yes... 1/3" sensor lose!

The DOF of a camera with a 43mm diagonal (36x24mm) is the same as the DOF of a 1/3rd inch sensor (7.21mm diagonal according
to Wikipedia) with the aperture value about six times lower (for symmetrical lenses or subject distance >> focal length). So the 5DII at f/16 has the same DOF as your XL1S at f/2.8.
man! i dont understand what you are talking about! are you saying that when i put a 50mm f1.2L @f8 on the 5D2, the image will be similar effect to the same lens @f1.2 on the EOS 350D? (the smallest DSLR sensor)?

Karl is FILMING, as another project, the Art of Electronics. This Vblog was not about the art of electronics.
WHAT! my mother's most miserable nightmare! i thought this is the only one! and i thought the Karl guy is talking electronic about his equipment! i'm skrewed!
maybe i just a kicked out photography school student, not the tools and equipments school. and later i comes into the electronics school and swear by it. ???

Shafri (being a pro photographer?) might find using a 5D MK2 for video a bit offensive, but there is no mistaking that it is taking the world of video by storm. Some very high end productions are being shot with it, and that's a fact.
i'm not a professional photographer, i'm a part timer and landscape hobbiest photographer. i'm a professional teacher! if you go to the real photog and videog community (i mean the real! not the wannabe!) it will be offensive to use a camera to catch video, much more offensive to videographers. some debates out there!
but for me as a generalist, i dont really care, and really... thats not the main point.

but from positive side... yes! this 5D2 is a winner, an option for a cheaper video equipment that can capture superb quality n resolution. it just simply cannot do all the real video equipment capable of doing.
the real video "monster" is simply unaffordable!

man, do i have to reply all those? stop it plssss. lets talk electronics!
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« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2010, 02:49:40 am »
i'm not a professional photographer, i'm a part timer and landscape hobbiest photographer. i'm a professional teacher! if you go to the real photog and videog community (i mean the real! not the wannabe!) it will be offensive to use a camera to catch video, much more offensive to videographers. some debates out there!

Really?
So the director that shot the final episode of House on a 5D MkII would be laughed at?

George Lucas & Quentin Tarantino seem quite impressed by the sounds of it:
http://hddslreader.com/2010/04/20/canon-5d-mark-ii-at-skywalker-ranch/
http://philipbloom.net/2009/12/12/skywalker/
See the film:
http://vimeo.com/groups/canon5dmark2/videos/8100091

I think you'd be very surprised at how seriously people are taking the capabilities of this camera for video.

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