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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #175 on: October 11, 2010, 08:03:58 pm »
Thankyou d0ss much appreciated
I'm going to try the hack again later and see if it still works.
I'll post back after I have tried.

*edit*
redid the hack via usb (00.02 modified, changed serial and model no, upgraded to 2.04SP1)
loaded storage factory settings and redid calibration.

IT WORKS ****** Yipeee, no noise at full sampling rate anymore.

So my DS1052E HW Ver58 is now a DS1102E many thanks to all who worked on the hack and for d0ss for the 2.04sp1 firmware.



In the process of modding it myself... didn't take a lot of convincing.
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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #176 on: October 11, 2010, 08:33:57 pm »
d0ss,

You are a gentleman and a scholar .... THANK YOU !

Thank you for onforwarding the firmware. I understood from RigolNA that this firmware was due to be released on their site soon so I do not see that you have done anything wrong. You have made my day as until I had a copy of 2.04SP1 I wasn't keen to hack my 1052E for fear of hardware incompatibilities.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank all of those who have been involved, past and present, with the 1052E upgrade program. This is a real bonus for hobbyists and for once I haven't 'missed the boat' as is my normal experience in life  ;D

'drieg' deserves a special mention also as that gentleman has spent many hours helping poor unfortunates with bricked or semi-bricked 1052E's that would otherwise be unrepairable. This isn't the first microprocessor based product that drieg has assisted owners with either. He is a genuine good Samaritan.

Happy days  :)
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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #177 on: October 11, 2010, 08:48:54 pm »
d0ss,

You are a gentleman and a scholar .... THANK YOU !

Thank you for onforwarding the firmware. I understood from RigolNA that this firmware was due to be released on their site soon so I do not see that you have done anything wrong. You have made my day as until I had a copy of 2.04SP1 I wasn't keen to hack my 1052E for fear of hardware incompatibilities.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank all of those who have been involved, past and present, with the 1052E upgrade program. This is a real bonus for hobbyists and for once I haven't 'missed the boat' as is my normal experience in life  ;D

'drieg' deserves a special mention also as that gentleman has spent many hours helping poor unfortunates with bricked or semi-bricked 1052E's that would otherwise be unrepairable. This isn't the first microprocessor based product that drieg has assisted owners with either. He is a genuine good Samaritan.

Happy days  :)


No need for thanks, I would hope anyone would have shared it too. My guess is it wouldn't be to hard for Rigol to find who the firmware was sent to, I probably don't have a warranty any more. Heh.

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Well just to confirm I've modded my scope to 100MHz no problems. Flashed to the patched 02.02 SP2, modded with the VB6 tool (thanks to shafri), updated to 2.04 SP1 then ran self calibration. No problems.
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #178 on: October 11, 2010, 09:00:37 pm »
You all forgot one step, use Model Number DS1152E, it opens the bandwidth to 150Mhz
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #179 on: October 11, 2010, 09:25:55 pm »
Now you've gone and done it  ;)

Whilst I was aware that it may be possible to achieve 150MHz from seeing it offered as an upgrade elsewhere, I have no idea how it is being manged in hardware. Maybe the notorious varicap diode is still acting as an RF shunt in the DS1102E at 100MHz, with a little capacitance still in play ?

A fresh area for Rigol related discussion on the forum ?  ;D

 
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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #180 on: October 11, 2010, 10:28:36 pm »

A fresh area for Rigol related discussion on the forum ?  ;D


Its already been up for a day in the General forum!
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=1495.0
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #181 on: October 11, 2010, 10:53:37 pm »
That'll teach me for not checking first.

I was too focussed on this thread and it's great developments on the FW 2.04 SP1 front.

I'll get back in my box now   ;)
« Last Edit: October 11, 2010, 11:02:41 pm by Aurora »
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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #182 on: October 12, 2010, 12:06:09 am »
I bring a present to all HW ver 58 owners firmware version 02.04.01.02 (2.04 SP1). I've attached the firmware below and confirm it fixes the noise issue after self-calibration.

Firmware attached, confirmed to work with HW 58 scope can't say much else.


thankx a lot! I'll update the guide tomorrow.
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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #183 on: October 14, 2010, 12:02:33 pm »

Just to report another successful HW 58 upgrade.

I downgraded to patched 02.02.02, applied changes and upgraded back to 02.04.01.02.

For what it's worth, I used a serial cable method with a generic ftdi usb<->rs232 converter in between.
Procedure was done in linux (32-bit ubuntu 10.10) using cutecom as terminal program.

After calibration, no noise or other issues are present, as far as I can tell.

Big thanks to everyone involved in the process, much appreciated.
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #184 on: October 14, 2010, 06:12:33 pm »
And another HW58/2.04SP1 success story.

Followed the instructions at the front of this topic thread and used Shafri's great little auto upgrade program before returning to 2.04 SP1.

I did a factory reset, as has been suggested, to clear out any rubbish data before running the calibration routine.
All worked well and no signs of any issues relating to the change of identity and bandwidth.

It feels good to be in the 100MHz club  ;D

Thanks again to all who worked on this challenge and shared the knowledge of how to do it.
« Last Edit: October 14, 2010, 06:16:48 pm by Aurora »
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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #185 on: October 16, 2010, 05:05:57 pm »
HW58/2.04SP1


Did everything as Aurora... Success!

No problem evident ... yet!

Have fun and... thanks to all involved intelectually :o)
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #186 on: October 16, 2010, 05:29:26 pm »
Hi all,please how can i check the hardware revision??

THX
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #187 on: October 17, 2010, 01:07:34 am »
To find out hardware version
Press utility, follow the menu down and select system info,
press buttons ch1 twice, then ch2 twice then math once.

be aware do not press any key except RUN/STOP to exit while in this mode or
you can mess up your serial number.
(it's easy to change back using the hack tutorial.)

I don't know if you could alter anything else in this mode so please be careful.

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #188 on: October 17, 2010, 08:08:59 am »
I have successfully upgraded to 100Mhz and all is TOK. My original firmware was 00.02.04.00.03 and I restored it to the same. My hardware version is:57

Thanks to polossatik and the rest of the people involved with this guide and the demoIDN usbtool.
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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #189 on: October 17, 2010, 09:52:13 am »
To find out hardware version
Press utility, follow the menu down and select system info,
press buttons ch1 twice, then ch2 twice then math once.
CUT
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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #190 on: October 17, 2010, 10:14:14 am »
For those who are upgrading their Rigol and are wondering what the mew 2.04 SP1 firmware offers over previous firmware versions ....

I 'spoke' with RigolNA regarding the supply of 2.04SP1 prior to it's release on this forum and Chris Armstrong provided the following response:

"Hello, thanks for contacting us. Your scope should have 02.04 on it. We have recently heard that 2.04 SP1 is being released, but I don't yet have a file for it. In general, I don't expect there to be major feature changes, just a little housekeeping and a tweak to the PictBridge Identification. If there is a particular capability you are looking for please let me know. If you are just looking to stay as up to date as possible that is OK too. Either way we do not yet have an update file for 2.04 SP1. When we do, it will be posted on www.rigolna.com. "

I found that a friendly and encouraging response, so credit to Chris for that.

It would appear that 2.04SP1 does have some minor upgrade to the PictBridge capability but the comment regarding "Housekeping" did make me smile  ;) I presume that relates to the Hardware 58 changes. Chris infers that no major changes will be in the release. The 1052E has been round a long time now so I suppose it's reasonable to expect any future firmware releases to only address Rigols concerns regarding the upgrade hack and any minor hardware changes. It was interesting to read elsewhere on this forum that MCS (UK) are clearing out the current stocks of Rigol kit ready for "new inventory" The 1052E isn't mentioned but I wonder how long before they retire our model and replace it with a new one that cannot be upgraded by the user ? If you haven't already, get one while you still can  ;)
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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #191 on: October 17, 2010, 03:19:43 pm »
I bring a present to all HW ver 58 owners firmware version 02.04.01.02 (2.04 SP1). I've attached the firmware below and confirm it fixes the noise issue after self-calibration.

Firmware attached, confirmed to work with HW 58 scope can't say much else.

EDIT:

Hashes for DS1000EUpdate.RGL

CRC3: 3B44DEE5
MD5: BCF73565352391935F3A9651D30776EE
SHA-1: B2DDB481F8A71CF7037C93AF9C45CEBBE97C71A2

There seems to be no link attached to this post, I need this firmware as well since I am suffering from the same calibration issue, would you mind posting it again?

Thank you.
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #192 on: October 17, 2010, 05:39:10 pm »
Hello to all and thanks for the valuable info!!

Two days ago I bought a 1052E (HW58) and I flashed it to 100MHz following the right procedure and I used the 2.04 SP1 in the end and then performed the calibration.

I am planning to use the Oscilloscope to measure the ripple of PC Power Supply Units (PSUs). For this job I was using a USB instruments Stingray which would be retired.

The problem is that the rigol peeks a lot of noise (I use a BNC cable to connect the Rigol to my custom made load tester). With the PSU (that is currently tested) in standby with the stingray I have 6-8mV P-P AC ripple while with the rigol I get 120-130mV!!

I used the stingray as a signal generator to test the Rigol (with the same bnc cable) and the signals were normal, without any random noise (through out all bandwidth range).

Can someone tell me how to solve this problem?

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #193 on: October 17, 2010, 06:25:16 pm »
Andrei,

I think you may have missed the firmware file name... it is there, under the Hash info.

Look for 204SP1.7z next to a paperclip. (You have to be logged in)

Then download the latest copy of WinZip or similar to unzip the 7z compressed file type.
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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #194 on: October 17, 2010, 06:38:26 pm »
crmaris,

My 2 Cents worth.......

1) What bandwidth is your Stingray and do you trust it's readings ?
2) In my experience PC SMPSU's can be the noisiest and ugliest of power sources for sensitive components that do not like noise and ripple. I would not class a PC SMPSU as a lab grade voltage source so would expect to see some pretty nasty ripple. I have seen them used as cheap workshop PSU's. I personally don't like the idea of using one with low current, sensitive linear components. For pure AMPERE grunt they are fine but expect some RFI and ripple  ;D
3) You need to do a confidence check on your Rigol. Take a look at the output of a standard LM7812 linear regulator circuit and see if the ripple level falls within the components spec. If the ripple is very high, I think your Rigol may have an issue.

As I say, just my 2 Cents worth but you effectively have an anomaly between two instruments so the only way to prove which is right is by a confidence check on a known source.


Update: Take a look here:

http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-1046819.html

The example specs show a PC SMPSU having up to 1% ripple on all rails. At 12V that would be 120mV.... about what you are seeing.
« Last Edit: October 17, 2010, 07:04:28 pm by Aurora »
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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #195 on: October 17, 2010, 08:43:41 pm »
Hello to all and thanks for the valuable info!!

Two days ago I bought a 1052E (HW58) and I flashed it to 100MHz following the right procedure and I used the 2.04 SP1 in the end and then performed the calibration.

I am planning to use the Oscilloscope to measure the ripple of PC Power Supply Units (PSUs). For this job I was using a USB instruments Stingray which would be retired.

The problem is that the rigol peeks a lot of noise (I use a BNC cable to connect the Rigol to my custom made load tester). With the PSU (that is currently tested) in standby with the stingray I have 6-8mV P-P AC ripple while with the rigol I get 120-130mV!!

I used the stingray as a signal generator to test the Rigol (with the same bnc cable) and the signals were normal, without any random noise (through out all bandwidth range).

Can someone tell me how to solve this problem?

Thanks!

I've not received my DS1052E yet...
But you can take a look at this too (in french but you have some screenshots):
http://www.canardpc.com/dossier-41-Alimentation_Corsair_HX620W.html
One of the best PC power supply on the market!
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #196 on: October 18, 2010, 05:06:25 am »
thanks for the answer Aurora. I think that the problem is some unwanted AC source noise that the Rigol is picking. If I haven't used the stingray as a signal generator to see that the signal on the Rigol has no noise then I would say that something went wrong with the hack.

Now that I made my Rigol 100MHz is there a way to revert back to 50MHz to test if this is the problem?

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #197 on: October 18, 2010, 06:49:07 am »
If something did go wrong with the hack you would still see noise when you revert back to 50Mhz. To see if something went wrong in my case i simply had no inputs and changed the time base. There you would then see the noise increase by maybe one division. Also by changing the vertical, you would see the trace get offset from centre. When i zoomed in fully to the noise i could trigger on it and measure the freq of 100Mhz

See Below

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #198 on: October 18, 2010, 09:53:15 am »
in my cases ? notice spikes :(  I cant understand how the stingray has not any problem and does not pick any noise.

Also with nothing connected I get the following. So I think that my Rigol is OK after the hack.


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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #199 on: October 18, 2010, 10:09:51 am »
When I connect it to my PSU load tester through I have the following (with no PSU connected. Only the power supply of the load tester is running to feed the fans. When I close the PSU of the load tester the ripple drops to 35-38mV). Also when I put BW limit on the P-P ripple is 110-120 mV. In the mean time the Stingray as I said it does not show any noise  ???



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