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Offline apulanta

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #325 on: December 16, 2010, 08:23:56 pm »
I hack a few days ago your DS1052E SW: 00.02.04 SP1 (00.02.04.01.02)
I used to produce a Chinese version of the hack version 02.02.SP2 first and then the USB port conversion DS1102E finally installed my this original file: 02.04
Hack the device is working perfectly.

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #326 on: December 19, 2010, 07:17:05 pm »
I just bought one of these DS1052E form Dealextreme. Shipping time was ridiculously long: more than 30 days - ordered and paid on 8 XI, I only wonder how long it would take now to receive anything from them.
Back to the point: my DS1052 has 2.05 firmware, so i can't hack it, but...
Look at these:


First 1x, second 10x probe. Probes compensated. Input signal is from probe compensator in front of the osciloscope. It seems that it's rise time is much better than shown on movies on youtube and are exact like 100MHz version. Would someone check his times both with hacked and unhacked scope?
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #327 on: December 19, 2010, 07:44:29 pm »
I think you're confusing microseconds with nanoseconds. I wouldn't expect the probe compensation output to be a good test for scope bandwidth, it's only designed to be fast enough so the probe input capacitance (eg. 20pF) has a lower impedance than the input resistance (10Mohm), and is designed to be used at specific settings (usually indicated in the manual).
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #328 on: December 19, 2010, 07:48:50 pm »
Sorry, my mistake. Hope someone will find a way to hack 2.05.
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #329 on: December 21, 2010, 07:11:53 pm »
Hi All,
I recently purchased the ds1052E from DealExtreme and got mine after a month wait. And l and behold, the Firmware version is 02.05 and HW ver 58. According to polossatik it is not possible to downgrade from 02.05 to 02.02 SP1.  I just spoke a Technical Rep at the RigolNA office and he tells me that it is possible to overwrite the 02.05 with the 02.04 SP1(which i found on their website http://www.rigolna.com/products/digital-oscilloscopes/ds1000e/). Now, if i am able to accomplish that, I should be able to downgrade from 02.04 SP1 to 02.02 SP1, do the hack and upgrade back to 02.04SP1 right??? Can somebody please confirm this  before i go ahead and do the hack.

 Also, another thing that i became aware of is, that you get a one year replacement warranty on any of their scopes if and only if you either buy it from their authorized distributor or RigolNA. If you buy it from DealExtreme you are on your own.

Thanks for this excellent procedure. Happy Holidays!

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #330 on: December 21, 2010, 09:22:06 pm »
Also, another thing that i became aware of is, that you get a one year replacement warranty on any of their scopes if and only if you either buy it from their authorized distributor or RigolNA. If you buy it from DealExtreme you are on your own
Yes, Rigol hates customers who don't pay the inflated official prices.
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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #331 on: December 21, 2010, 11:31:40 pm »
Why would rigol care how much a distributor sells their products for. It doesn't effect rigol in the slightest. Rigol should only care how much they sell the item to the distributor for.

I make a loaf of bread for $1 and sell it to kwicky mart for $2 they sell it for $3. I sell that same loaf for $2 to walmart and they sell it for $2.10

I couldn't care less how much retail outlet sells my item for, doesn't effect my bottom-line.
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #332 on: December 21, 2010, 11:41:48 pm »
According to polossatik it is not possible to downgrade from 02.05 to 02.02 SP1. 

Actually it is confirmed by several people the old "downgrade by editing the firmware version to a higher versio" trick did not work anymore.
I never tried it, seen I don't have the 02.05 firmware

I just spoke a Technical Rep at the RigolNA office and he tells me that it is possible to overwrite the 02.05 with the 02.04 SP1

Somehow I doubt you can downgrade, but if you would be willing to try this then that would be great.

(which i found on their website http://www.rigolna.com/products/digital-oscilloscopes/ds1000e/).

It is also here (as listed in the first post) https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=553.msg19908#msg19908

Now, if i am able to accomplish that, I should be able to downgrade from 02.04 SP1 to 02.02 SP1, do the hack and upgrade back to 02.04SP1 right??? Can somebody please confirm this  before i go ahead and do the hack.

yep, that should be no problem as such, the actual problem with 02.05 (for now) is that it will not downgrade to any lower version.
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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #333 on: December 22, 2010, 04:18:11 pm »
I got a verbal confirmation from Drieg that the 02.05 firmware downgrade is not possible.

So case shut. Atleast till Rigol releases the "stateside" 02.05. Then one of the hacker gods can take a peek in to the flash dump or whatever and figure out what is going on. But if they have disabled the firmware upgrade via USB stick, then how would upgrade to 02.06 when that gets available? Anyone?
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #334 on: December 22, 2010, 04:25:20 pm »
Maybe it's just checking not only version number written in ASCII, but also some other binary values. In any case, we have to wait till they release 2.05 firmware for upgrading on their page and probably any newer patch.
Is there still a possibility to unlock higher bandwith by changin some resistor or something?
 

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« Reply #335 on: December 22, 2010, 05:22:10 pm »
Ditto. I was wondering about the same thing. They still got to be bandlimiting the scope with some H/W feature. But i dont want to hijack this thread by suggesting something to that effect. FOr now i am okay with 50MHz, but pretty soon i will be needing a 100MHz bandwith for looking at FPGA signals. ANd, maybe as a Christmas/New Year present Rigol will release the 02.05 Firmware for us to take it apart.
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #336 on: December 22, 2010, 08:14:30 pm »
100MHz Bandwidth Hardware mod is detailed here:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=30.195

It's worth reading the whole thread leading up to that page.
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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #337 on: December 23, 2010, 02:55:57 pm »
Hi, guys! Got mine today from DX. Sent on the 13th. But, of course, FW is 00.02.05 and HW rev is 58.
Still no way to hack the FW? Has someone managed to produce a dump yet? So, I guess, now Rigol has to use the JTAG interface to set the model number...
Oh, and the noise is almost deafening  >:( I'd read different reviews that mentioned that noise level was quite high, but I could never imagine that it's like a wind tunnel blower...
« Last Edit: December 23, 2010, 03:00:27 pm by killerwhale »
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #338 on: December 23, 2010, 03:20:52 pm »
Can you please be specific?Which noise are you talking about? The fan noise, or ????
 

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« Reply #339 on: December 23, 2010, 03:34:39 pm »
Yep, the fan noise. Well, in fact it's not the fan per se I guess, it's some kind of aerodynamical noise produced by air being drawn through the holes. I'm pretty sure it's nothing abnormal. Just a design "feature."
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #340 on: December 23, 2010, 04:16:28 pm »
Yep, the fan noise. Well, in fact it's not the fan per se I guess, it's some kind of aerodynamical noise produced by air being drawn through the holes. I'm pretty sure it's nothing abnormal. Just a design "feature."

Phunk's "Rigol 1052e Fan Replacement" https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=1945.0 might then be of interest to you
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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #341 on: December 23, 2010, 04:33:09 pm »
Thanks, polossatik. In fact, I've already seen that thread. I've been running the oscilloscope continuously for three hours now, and the air coming from the fan is barely warm. I wonder if it is really necessary to have such a strong airflow.
But what preoccupies me most now is the apparent impossibility of "upgrading" this oscilloscope. I actually bought it hoping it would be possible (though I already knew of the 00.02.05 FW), but was sort of hoping anyway. If at least we had a FW dump...
 

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« Reply #342 on: December 23, 2010, 04:54:54 pm »
I had an interesting email exchange with teh GM of RigolNA. Portions of that are quoted here;
"You are free to try the downgrade, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend it. Here in Ohio we haven't seen firmware 2.05 or the release notes for it, so I can't tell you if 2.04 is compatible or not.
"It is possible we might have a little more info in the future when we release 2.05 stateside, but I still think your best bet is with dealextreme at this time."
"Please let us know if there is anything we can do to help. I would give you a copy of 2.05 if I had it, but I haven't seen anything on it yet."
I had a post followup with a technical rep. He kept saying that i could always try downgrading, but he is not sure if that would break the scope as there is not much different between the 02.04SP1 and the 02.05. So, i guess lying low patiently and pounce on the 02.05 F/W is the best approach in my opinion.
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #343 on: December 23, 2010, 05:22:20 pm »
I was thinking, maybe now it won't ever be possible to upgrade the firmware at all. Maybe only "authorized" repair centers and distributors will be able to do it (via some obscure keypresses, a super-hidden RS232 command, or whatnot), and those authorized repair centers will be bound by some kind of a non-disclosure agreement...
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #344 on: December 25, 2010, 10:55:13 am »
Merry xmas!
  Just got my Rigol DS1052E from Amazon. Was on an emotional roller coaster as I clicked through the 23 pages of the thread realizing at first that I had almost bricked my 2.04.01.02 Hardversion:58 by just jumping in and doing it, and that it would not be upgradeable :( Then a few pages later I discovered it WOULD upgrade! A few hours later I have a shiny new DS1102E!

Thanks to Polossatik for the thread, and Shafri for fat finger proof easy USB tool!

p.s. The following paragraph can be misleading:
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Older news: According to forum user Drieg Rigol DID change the hardware and the new HardWare version "58" (and later) is supported by firmware version 02.04 SP1 only (not earlier). See the The Dark Side of the Rigol Hack -- Bricked Scope & How to Fix it... Thread However the 00.02.04.01.02 ( 02.04 SP1 ) is now available here and updating back to this version seams to fix the issue.

I read this as: "If you downgrade you will brick it, but you can get it back by re-upgrading to 2.04sp1". I realize that a truly 'bricked' scope wouldn't upgrade, but people throw the term around fairly loosely now a days. If you read the first few pages of that thread things seem pretty bleak.
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #345 on: December 25, 2010, 11:06:35 am »
I bring a present to all HW ver 58 owners firmware version 02.04.01.02 (2.04 SP1). I've attached the firmware below and confirm it fixes the noise issue after self-calibration.

Firmware attached, confirmed to work with HW 58 scope can't say much else.

There seems to be no link attached to this post, I need this firmware as well since I am suffering from the same calibration issue, would you mind posting it again?

Sorry to necro an older reply, but this confused me tonight as well. The problem is that you can not see file attachments unless you are logged into the forum. Would be nice if the forum software displayed the filename but told you that when you clicked on it, but oh well :D
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #346 on: December 25, 2010, 11:30:26 am »
Anyone ever notice that the newer pictures (no longer says "ultra zoom") of the DS1052E show 100MHZ on the front sticker?

http://www.rigolna.com/products/digital-oscilloscopes/ds1000e/  (click view larger image).

Photoshop slip-up, or silent nod to the hacker community? YOU make the call! :D

Update: Whoops, In my excitement of comparing the pics i posted the wrong link!! (Link above updated to:
http://www.rigolna.com/products/digital-oscilloscopes/ds1000e/ds1052e/
That is a DS1052E with 100MHZ on it's sticker.

« Last Edit: December 25, 2010, 06:32:59 pm by tsaavik »
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #347 on: December 25, 2010, 01:06:32 pm »
says DS1102E on it
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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #348 on: December 25, 2010, 04:22:41 pm »
Anyone ever notice that the newer pictures (no longer says "ultra zoom") of the DS1052E show 100MHZ on the front sticker?

http://www.rigolna.com/products/digital-oscilloscopes/ds1000e/  (click view larger image).

Photoshop slip-up, or silent nod to the hacker community? YOU make the call! :D



I emailed Rigol NA about getting that neat Ultra Zoom sticker and they said due to "legal" reasons they had to discontinue it. Damn shame.....
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #349 on: December 25, 2010, 06:16:54 pm »
Got my Rigol yesterday, a kind of fate's Christmas present...
I ordered it on October, 20th, was a quite long waiting.
My luck, it has 2.04SP1 FW on board!
However, I'm confident in the fact someone will one day or another find a hack for the 2.05 release, although it could be more difficult to achieve.

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