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Offline mobbarley

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #150 on: October 04, 2010, 01:21:25 pm »
I've been in contact with drieg, and he has been able to restore my settings. My scope has been modified to a DS1102E and is full of awesome and win.

Can we get some more info on how this was resolved please?
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #151 on: October 04, 2010, 06:20:16 pm »
I've never seen a cable like that and I don't know if you can buy such a monstrosity off the shelf. If soldering is not for you, the USB method works equally well, you just have to install more software.

Not sure if anyone who's afraid of a little soldering should use a scope  ;D
But the usb methode is indeed more practical in general :)
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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #152 on: October 05, 2010, 12:13:46 am »
Hi guys,

Count me for another successful mod ;D! As I mentioned in my previous threads, my scope came with firmware version 00.02.04.00.03 and hardware version 57. I had hesitated hacking it since only a few people so far had reported having the firmware version of 2.04.00.03. But after contacting forum member shirsch (who downgraded his 2.04.00.03 firmware to the modified 2.02sp2 version, but didn't upgrade back afterwards) and hearing positive suggestions from yyao and drieg, I decided to give it a try as well.

The steps are pretty much exactly like polossatik suggested in the guide.

I first downgraded the scope to 2.02sp2 (patched to 2.04.02). After power cycling, I used the USB tool to send the MODEL and SERIAL commands. Since I don't have a windows PC, I did the modification under a Windows 2003 Server VM and it worked out quite well. After sending these commands, the scope appeared to have frozen (does not respond to any buttons) but a restart solved the issue (not sure if it is supposed to freeze for this version of the firmware).

After I verified that the time scale can go all the way down to 2ns, I upgraded the firmware back to 00.02.04.00.03 and power-cycled the scope again. I then re-calibrated the scope and no issue at all. After I updated the firmware, the scope bandwidth remained at 100MHz!

As a side note, I took a screenshot of the original scope (unmodified) measuring a 109MHz carrier (yes, the 50MHz scope can be used to measure frequencies that high, but the attenuation is very high) and it showed a Vpp of 188mV. With the modification, it shows the same signal has a Vpp of 784mV and the time scale can also be adjusted down to 2ns (since I can't post pictures here, I will probably post the pictures on my blog later and update the link). So it is definitely a 100MHz scope now!


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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #153 on: October 05, 2010, 05:08:59 am »
Huge thank you for this thread!  Ordered my unit friday from aidetech (ebay) - received it today (A great sign, meaning it was already in the country).  Had 00.02.04.00.03 installed.  USB hack worked on windows7 x64 using the visa460runtime from national instruments:  Note that is your device shows as a pictbridge or storage, go to the utility menu and change the USB setting, then restart the scope - not your desktop, lol.

...Maybe I can use the money I saved to buy that LCR Dave reviewed ;-)
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #154 on: October 05, 2010, 04:52:05 pm »
I've ordered my DS1052E on DX with EMS + shipping today.
Hope that I have a good hardware version to do this too  ;D
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #155 on: October 06, 2010, 02:15:20 am »
Received my DS1052E from dx a week ago. As fitting my usual level of luck it was hardver 58. Well, just have to keep on lurking just in case someone comes up with something sneaky ;)
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #156 on: October 06, 2010, 02:30:06 am »
I've ordered my DS1052E on DX with EMS + shipping today.
Hope that I have a good hardware version to do this too  ;D

I ordered mine on 9/25/10, still marked as waiting for supplier. I hope it ships soon.. I cant wait..
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #157 on: October 07, 2010, 03:19:11 pm »
I too ordered this fine device (from DX on 5/10) .. can't wait!
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #158 on: October 08, 2010, 02:41:32 am »
For those who ordered the ds1052Ee on DX like me  :-\ :
http://www.dealextreme.com/forums/Forums.dx/Forum.-100~threadid.704868
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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #159 on: October 08, 2010, 04:59:51 am »
For those who ordered the ds1052Ee on DX like me  :-\ :
http://www.dealextreme.com/forums/Forums.dx/Forum.-100~threadid.704868

Damn. Thanks for the info ceut!
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #160 on: October 08, 2010, 02:01:40 pm »
I don't want to dilute this thread with buying information, but it seems to be headed that way anyway.  These people have them and if you ask for a quote that compares with DX, they'll send you one. 
http://www.tequipment.net/RigolDS1052E.html
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #161 on: October 08, 2010, 02:26:18 pm »
I don't want to dilute this thread with buying information, but it seems to be headed that way anyway.  These people have them and if you ask for a quote that compares with DX, they'll send you one. 
http://www.tequipment.net/RigolDS1052E.html
use the link from Dave's EEVBlog Main Page to support it!
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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #162 on: October 08, 2010, 11:58:08 pm »
I would really appreciate it if we could stay a bit on topic in this thread.

info about what firmware or hardware version you receive from dealers is of course always welcome.

thank you.
« Last Edit: October 08, 2010, 11:59:51 pm by polossatik »
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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #163 on: October 09, 2010, 12:29:24 am »
OK, as I promised a few days ago, here are some of pictures of my mods:

The pictures below shows a carrier frequency of roughly 109MHz (the frequency generator is not very stable and you could see the frequency drift). Note the difference in measured Vpp!

Before:
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After:


Here's a screen shot of the scope showing the detailed firmware info and you can clearly see the firmware version 00.02.04.00.03:
http://www.kerrywong.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/sysinfo_2.jpg

For the detailed write up, please see my blog entry here (http://www.kerrywong.com/2010/10/08/my-new-ds1052e-oscilloscope/)
« Last Edit: October 09, 2010, 12:32:04 am by AlphZeta »
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #164 on: October 09, 2010, 04:41:06 am »
Ok some people are reporting problems about the hw58 models.
I recieved my ds1052E a couple of weeks ago, (at this point the first
detected sp1 said ok for the hack before a big red retraction  :o.)

Anyhoo I went ahead and modified my scope from 2.04sp1 immediately.
and very happy with the results (only been doing a bit of slow speed pic stuff for now
and been bloomin' impressed by this little marvel).

I decided to search for 2.04SP1 firmware as I'd like to have that back just because it was there initially,
yeah I'm a bit wierd like that  :o.
Anyway after reading reports of problems with SP1 I checked and yes I have hw ver 58  :(.


Oddly so far my scope seems reasonably good, pretty clean signals and no problem at low frequency.

until I get around 2 - 3.5Mhz where I seem to get around up to +-250mv of noise on a 3.5V sine wave.
but only if I zoom into 1 cycle and the 1Gsa sample rate kicks in, no noise at all on the 500Msa
[Real time Sampling Normal aquisition]
(maximum speed of 3.5Mhz I've tested so far and I am pushing my cheapy maxim function generator to it's max).
anyhow any noise dissapears immediately and clean sharp signals as it should on average acquisition at 16 samples.

I assumed this was about right and working as it should.
[mind you I didn't expect much from a very cheap DSO in the first place and i'm still in awe of the wee beastie].

some posts show that on no signal they get a lot of noise, mines reasonably clear
(vpp of around 480uv-560uv no attached probe, mind you with all the wifi and junk all over the house
constantly running I expected way more interferance).

Looking at the posts though there is an extra step I took.

step 1 :-

press :- Storage, change waveform to factory, select load, as RIGOL recommend in the pdf manual.
essentally cleaning out user settings I don't know if it does anything apart from that.

step 2 :- Now re-run self cal (remember to start it going with RUN/STOP before heading off for a coffe, gosh i did swear at that one  ::)).


If that solves or improves any issues for anyone here or if it does nothing for you then post back.
« Last Edit: October 09, 2010, 04:42:44 am by dendennis »
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #165 on: October 10, 2010, 04:33:29 pm »
Drieg has fixed my Rigol...

Below is a Windows App to check your model, serial and FW version, automatically change the appropriate numbering to prepare for upgrade.
i've provided the VB6 source code for anybody who interested.

step:
1) connect Rigol DS1052E through USB and make sure visa32.dll is working.
2) Click "Check Rigol Model & Serial" button, it will show you the *IDN? result and warn you your FW version. (it will automatically fill the new model and serial number for upgrade process)
3) Click "Upgrade Rigol" button to start the upgrade. Wait until it ask you to restart your rigol and click OK. dont do anything in between.

You should upgraded your Rigol afterward. Any comment/issue with the App pls notify me tq.
ps: I guess i'm a little bit late on this. but well.... better late than never!
« Last Edit: January 07, 2011, 11:29:36 pm by shafri »
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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #166 on: October 10, 2010, 06:31:32 pm »
If this model and serial edit fields are editable and from them Rigol is upgraded.. then better make those Edit fields read only :) (im not checked) and when upgrade is in progress it's good to show BIG, FAT message to don't do anything :) (also not checked, maybe it's already done) :) anyhow it's nice little app :)
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #167 on: October 10, 2010, 07:08:57 pm »
If this model and serial edit fields are editable and from them Rigol is upgraded.. then better make those Edit fields read only :) (im not checked) and when upgrade is in progress it's good to show BIG, FAT message to don't do anything :) (also not checked, maybe it's already done) :) anyhow it's nice little app :)
the editable field is to enable you to change to whatever you like or in case App doesnt do it correctly. There will take some extra bytes for the BIG FAT dont do anything msg. I hope it will not do something wrong to your scope. I've provided the code for other to analyze. its just simple VISA viVPrintf API and send *IDN?, :INFO:MODEL, and :INFO:SERIAL command.

make sure u do step 1 to ensure visa communication is ok (if your model,serial show up), when u upgrade, for my case it took around 2-5 second for the first beep (:INFO:MODEL successfull) and then another 2-5 second before the msg to turn off rigol appear (:INFO:SERIAL successfull).
« Last Edit: October 10, 2010, 07:12:29 pm by shafri »
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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #168 on: October 10, 2010, 07:23:29 pm »
my scope is already hacked successfully:) 3 - 4 months ago:) with 1-st post guide :)
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #169 on: October 10, 2010, 08:07:28 pm »
shafri , I've added a link to your post in the guide under "5) Change the  DS1052E to DS1102E".
If you need to add info or update the program, please update that post
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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #170 on: October 11, 2010, 03:59:34 am »
Thanx. i hope some experts can eval the program, as i'm afraid if the code can do something wrong. In my part i've check it, and so far nothing is wrong. I'm afraid if Visa driver got some quirk bug ??? i'm using visa32.dll version 4.3.0.49152 to test. I only tested it once, in a single click in doing the real upgrade for my scope after got repaired by Drieg. now i've "back to the future" and got a full working modded DS1102E. I dont dare to click the button for the second time :( i'll leave that to expert.
« Last Edit: October 11, 2010, 04:09:58 am by shafri »
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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #171 on: October 11, 2010, 04:06:11 pm »
Has anyone heard any more about the failure rate with upgrade attempts on Hardware version 58. From the last I read it was a genuine case of Russian Roulette with low confidence of recovery due to the absence of a reference copy of firmware 2.04 SP1.

I took a quick look at the various firmware’s that are available and was surprised at how different the content was between them. 2.02 bears little resemblance to 2.04. It's all Dutch to me but I expected minor differences and tweaks rather than swathes of different Hex code. Heaven only knows what 2.04 SP1 looks like...... I have given up on the idea of comparing 2.04 with 2.04 SP1.... I'm not smart enough for that  :-[

Cheers
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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #172 on: October 11, 2010, 07:30:33 pm »
I bring a present to all HW ver 58 owners firmware version 02.04.01.02 (2.04 SP1). I've attached the firmware below and confirm it fixes the noise issue after self-calibration.

Firmware attached, confirmed to work with HW 58 scope can't say much else.

EDIT:

Hashes for DS1000EUpdate.RGL

CRC3: 3B44DEE5
MD5: BCF73565352391935F3A9651D30776EE
SHA-1: B2DDB481F8A71CF7037C93AF9C45CEBBE97C71A2
« Last Edit: October 11, 2010, 08:33:50 pm by d0ss »
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #173 on: October 11, 2010, 07:40:48 pm »
Thankyou d0ss much appreciated
I'm going to try the hack again later and see if it still works.
I'll post back after I have tried.

*edit*
redid the hack via usb (00.02 modified, changed serial and model no, upgraded to 2.04SP1)
loaded storage factory settings and redid calibration.

IT WORKS ****** Yipeee, no noise at full sampling rate anymore.

So my DS1052E HW Ver58 is now a DS1102E many thanks to all who worked on the hack and for d0ss for the 2.04sp1 firmware.

« Last Edit: October 11, 2010, 08:02:51 pm by dendennis »
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #174 on: October 11, 2010, 08:02:49 pm »
@shafri:

bought my 1052 just after i saw it on the eevblog and watched with anticipation for a 100mhz hack, just browsed in the other day after not taking any interest in my scope to see i'd missed all the excitment!

thankfully mine came with 00.02.02SP2 so with shafti's app it turned into a 1102 just a few mins ago ;D

many thanks go out to all those who made this possible!!  ;)




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