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Offline twilliams

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #450 on: January 09, 2011, 12:51:00 am »
This is good advice and exactly what I did with my 2.05 hw58 scope, works just fine now.


I suggest you downgrade from 2.05SP1 to 2.02SP2, hack the scope to 100MHz and then install 2.04SP1 firmware. Your HW58 is OK for 2.04SP1.

If you straight from 2.05SP1 to 2.05SP2, to fix the bug in SP1, you effectively prevent yourself carrying out the hack as there is no way to step down from 2.05SP2 at the moment. If you really want 2.05SP2 on your scope, do the 100MHz hack first then install 2.05SP2, but I know of no advantage to 2.05SP2 and I recommend 2.04SP1 as that seems very strable and still hackable in the future.
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #451 on: January 09, 2011, 01:02:57 am »
So should I follow the guide in the first post, nor that it states that it can't be used for 2.05SP1?
Or should I follow one of the guides inside this topic - can't remember the page?

Thomas

I suggest you downgrade from 2.05SP1 to 2.02SP2, hack the scope to 100MHz and then install 2.04SP1 firmware. Your HW58 is OK for 2.04SP1.

If you straight from 2.05SP1 to 2.05SP2, to fix the bug in SP1, you effectively prevent yourself carrying out the hack as there is no way to step down from 2.05SP2 at the moment. If you really want 2.05SP2 on your scope, do the 100MHz hack first then install 2.05SP2, but I know of no advantage to 2.05SP2 and I recommend 2.04SP1 as that seems very strable and still hackable in the future.
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #452 on: January 09, 2011, 02:01:57 am »
So should I follow the guide in the first post, nor that it states that it can't be used for 2.05SP1?
Or should I follow one of the guides inside this topic - can't remember the page?

After downgrading I believe you can pretty much use any guide, but I guess the newer the instructions the better. Just make sure you don't install anything newer than 2.04 SP2, believe me.

I've found the trigger issue in the first 5 minutes of fiddling with this thing, and there I was, thinking "almost one week of waiting and I've just broken this thing"...

They should correct the bugs and then worry about locking the scopes, or at least try to stop making them worse...

I really like my unit, it's hard to find better hardware quality for this price, but they are being assholes, they have that right, to protect themselves, but still assholes nevertheless. It seems they are now more interested in making "mods" difficult than to take the time to properly supporting their products, the bugs seem to increase with every new release...
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #453 on: January 09, 2011, 01:30:28 pm »
So should I follow the guide in the first post, nor that it states that it can't be used for 2.05SP1?
Or should I follow one of the guides inside this topic - can't remember the page?

The first page should be updated again. I am still waiting for my scope to arrive, but here is my understanding of what you need:

 On page 29 Killerwhale posted a link to a file he created (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=553.0;attach=5220) that will downgrade 2.05 SP1 (00.02.05.01.00) to 2.02 SP2. You can use that file with the instructions in the first post.

Your scope will not work properly with that firmware because you have a HW58 model. However, that firmware will allow the hack to 100mHz.

After you have made the hack, you can upgrade your firmware to 2.04 SP1 using the file provided by d0ss on page 12 here: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=553.0;attach=3930. Your scope will work properly with that version firmware.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2011, 01:33:28 pm by torch »
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #454 on: January 09, 2011, 01:53:50 pm »
What torch says above is correct. I went through all the steps of making sure the flash drive could written to and checksums but those are just safety steps to be sure nothing goes wrong. I also used the app that was written by safri(sp?) to make the changes via USB.

Whole process took about 10 minutes.
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #455 on: January 09, 2011, 01:57:01 pm »
What torch says above is correct. I went through all the steps of making sure the flash drive could written to and checksums but those are just safety steps to be sure nothing goes wrong. I also used the app that was written by safri(sp?) to make the changes via USB.

I haven't seen a checksum published for killerwhale's 2.05 SP1 to 2.02 SP2 downgrade yet. Can anyone confirm that the correct MD5 hash is 7cc0aac2e39f6a677dd0296344e33954 (that's what I got using HashCalc on the downloaded file)?
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #456 on: January 09, 2011, 01:59:47 pm »
What torch says above is correct. I went through all the steps of making sure the flash drive could written to and checksums but those are just safety steps to be sure nothing goes wrong. I also used the app that was written by safri(sp?) to make the changes via USB.

I haven't seen a checksum published for killerwhale's 2.05 SP1 to 2.02 SP2 downgrade yet. Can anyone confirm that the correct MD5 hash is 7cc0aac2e39f6a677dd0296344e33954 (that's what I got using HashCalc on the downloaded file)?

I asked the same question and here was the answer (and hash I got for the file I used)

The MD5-hash of the downgrade file is "1fa740d1e2914651d96b96f9ff01dfc6" (it worked with this file).
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #457 on: January 09, 2011, 02:01:14 pm »
 
I was wrong , this was the hash for the original 2.05 downgrade.


What torch says above is correct. I went through all the steps of making sure the flash drive could written to and checksums but those are just safety steps to be sure nothing goes wrong. I also used the app that was written by safri(sp?) to make the changes via USB.

I haven't seen a checksum published for killerwhale's 2.05 SP1 to 2.02 SP2 downgrade yet. Can anyone confirm that the correct MD5 hash is 7cc0aac2e39f6a677dd0296344e33954 (that's what I got using HashCalc on the downloaded file)?

I asked the same question and here was the answer (and hash I got for the file I used)

The MD5-hash of the downgrade file is "1fa740d1e2914651d96b96f9ff01dfc6" (it worked with this file).
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #458 on: January 09, 2011, 02:21:27 pm »
Another scope successfully hacked...
My scope had the 2.05 SP1 installed and revision 58 hardware. The hacking process went fine, and I have now upgraded to 2.04 SP1 and calibrated...
The scope is really a nice tool to have, at a bargain price too. Though is it just me, or is the scope overshooting? Everything I measure on (except the 1KHz test) is overshooting at both low-to-high and high-to-low transitions.
Fx look at the image below
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #459 on: January 09, 2011, 05:05:50 pm »
Check your probe compensation (if you're using a 10x probe), a misadjusted probe can have this effect. Are you sure the signals are clean edges without overshoot? Did you verify with another scope?
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #460 on: January 09, 2011, 05:30:50 pm »
No I haven't tested with another scope, as I'm not even sure that it isn't the signals which have overshooting/"ringing".
I think it's the signals, nor than the scope!

Check your probe compensation (if you're using a 10x probe), a misadjusted probe can have this effect. Are you sure the signals are clean edges without overshoot? Did you verify with another scope?
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #461 on: January 09, 2011, 05:57:16 pm »
Feeding the scope from a fast rise time impulse generator, originally intended for the calibration of surveillance receivers at frequencies up to 1GHz, has resulted in a very clean displayed pulse with reported rise times of around 2.5ns.
Jitter seems to be swinging this between approx 2.2 and 2.6ns but it still seems to be indicating a bandwidth of around 150MHz!
You should use a VERY fast pulse generator to check the scope rise time,a simple 2n2369 pulser schematics is on the net and if well made is capable os less than 300pS rise time.
My 1052/1102 is doing 1,32nS with eq time sampling and 1,64nS real time  ;)
 

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« Reply #462 on: January 09, 2011, 06:54:05 pm »
You should use a VERY fast pulse generator to check the scope rise time,a simple 2n2369 pulser schematics is on the net and if well made is capable os less than 300pS rise time.
Assuming you use a sampling scope (or very fast real-time scope) like Jim Williams did to verify amplitude before using it for risetime measurements.

My 1052/1102 is doing 1,32nS with eq time sampling and 1,64nS real time  ;)
If you think that means ~250MHz bandwidth, you're kidding yourself.
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #463 on: January 09, 2011, 11:23:11 pm »
Hi, All!
Does anybody have the 00.02.05.00.00 firmware?(not sp1 and upwards) If does, please share it. Thank You very much! :-*
Have a nice day!
« Last Edit: January 09, 2011, 11:28:40 pm by AndrewK »
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #464 on: January 10, 2011, 03:25:59 am »
Hi, All!
Does anybody have the 00.02.05.00.00 firmware?(not sp1 and upwards) If does, please share it. Thank You very much! :-*
Have a nice day!

I believe you are looking for this post by killerwhale:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=553.msg28048#msg28048

I just hacked my Saelig which also had the 2.05.00.00 with that downgrade file.  I wasn't certain if the newer 2.05 SP1 firmware downgrade file would work. ???  I suppose it would be nice to have a list to see which downgrade files go with which FW.

After the downgrade, everything went smoothly to get back to 2.04 SP1

I ordered the Rigol from Saelig to get the bag, which is a nice extra.  Everything went well for me, let's see if I can post a few photos:

before the upgrade


after upgrading


after calibration


The bag from Saelig


I did not experience the alternate trigger problem.  But I did just notice that my vertical setting is different after calibration.  Good thing I took those photos :)
Hmmmmm, I don't recall changing anything on the vertical?  I'll get the calibrator out again and use the 'volts out' test port to make sure the vertical is working properly.

edit, I just double checked, vertical was reset during the Rigol calibration.  I had been using the probes on 10x before plugging in the HK calibrator and forgot to switch back.  No problems.

Many, many thanks to eevblogers who contributed to this. ;D
« Last Edit: January 10, 2011, 04:14:39 am by bodeplot »
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #465 on: January 10, 2011, 03:32:52 am »
Does anybody have the 00.02.05.00.00 firmware?(not sp1 and upwards) If does, please share it. Thank You very much! :-*

Are you looking for the 2.05 firmware to install, or the file to downgrade 2.05 to 2.02 SP2 preparatory to the hack? The 2.05 firmware is reported to be buggy and can lock up the scope in certain circumstances. A number of people have suggested that 2.04 SP1 is the best option.
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #466 on: January 10, 2011, 04:04:18 am »


Thanks to all that made this guide possible. Another happy hacked scope owner here.  ;D

Jason
www.aj4om.com
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #467 on: January 10, 2011, 02:37:38 pm »
Does anybody have the 00.02.05.00.00 firmware?(not sp1 and upwards) If does, please share it. Thank You very much! :-*

Are you looking for the 2.05 firmware to install, or the file to downgrade 2.05 to 2.02 SP2 preparatory to the hack? The 2.05 firmware is reported to be buggy and can lock up the scope in certain circumstances. A number of people have suggested that 2.04 SP1 is the best option.

Hello!
I just got My NEW! scope on dec. 24 with original firmware: 00.02.05.00.00... If I make this hack, and someting goes wrong inside the scope in 3 years, I will have to set back the original firmware and type... :P 8) ;) You know, what I mean.....
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #468 on: January 10, 2011, 03:18:34 pm »
I did another successful hack for HW58 02.05SP0

short summary of previous 8 pages - latest scopes comes with HW ver 58 and FW ver 02.05SP0 (info screen looks like http://aj4om.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/ds1102e-e1294536764283.jpg ) or 02.05SP1 (info screen looks like http://www.flickr.com/photos/cocasdaneve/5320723214/# ) (SP1 has software bug - scope hang up when you choosing "rise and edge" trigger mode)

retry all steps:
1) downgrade to 02.02SP2 using killerwhale's downgrade file (02.05SP0 to 02.02SP2) (1fa740d1e2914651d96b96f9ff01dfc6) https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=553.0;attach=5103
2) hack with shafry's tool https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=553.msg19727#msg19727
3) flash on 02.04SP1 by d0ss firmware file (BCF73565352391935F3A9651D30776EE) https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=553.msg19908#msg19908
4) do autocalibration 
everything works fine!

p.s. for 02.05SP1 you need to use new  killerwhale's downgrade file (02.05SP1 to 02.02SP2) (md5 - ?) https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=553.0;attach=5220

thank you very much all of you!
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #469 on: January 10, 2011, 03:22:36 pm »
AndrewK,

If that's your concern, just use the 2.05SP2 version.... it's supposedly bug fixed and is a genuine OEM firmware release. I very much doubt Rigol would be concerned if you had used their official firmware upgrade.

Consider the fact that a DSO is a significantly microprocessor based product though.... if a fault occurs in the microprocessor area you may not have the ability to install any firmware after it fails, 2.05 or any other for that matter.

With regard to the 3 year warranty.... whilst I understand your desire to maintain the warranty, I decided that my AideTek USA supplied DS1052E (despatched from Hong Kong), would probably cost more to return for warranty repair than it will be worth at the time of failure. In my case I purchased a cheap ($375) DS1052E from outside the UK and considered it an acceptable risk that it might fail and end up as "spares or repair" on ebay  :D 
« Last Edit: January 10, 2011, 03:26:37 pm by Aurora »
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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #470 on: January 10, 2011, 08:04:55 pm »
Does anyone know any significant difference between HW58 and the former versions?

I just couldn't handle the noise anymore and replaced the stock fan with a larger, slower one. I took the opportunity to take a couple (mediocre quality) photographs of the interior. I couldn't spot any obvious differences between my scope and the scope Dave used in EEVblog #37. The single difference I've spotted in the main board was in the USB controller's logo. Dave's unit says ICP and mine has a graphic. Both are marked with the same reference, ISP1362, so they should be pin compatible and not require a HW version change. I also didn't saw any difference regarding the DSP, that makes me keep wondering why my DSP version is reported as being 00.00

Then I looked at the power supply. It lacks half a dozen components in a zone marked as "high voltage", the silk screen is different and a couple components are slightly different, like the power button's manufacturer, nothing relevant.

Maybe they replaced the LCD's fluorescent backlight with a LED one, that way the high voltage wasn't needed?
Could only these PSU differences justify the HW Revision change? They could easily track those with the serial numbers, after all.

Photos here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cocasdaneve/sets/72157625794159580/

Edit: I forgot to mention that my unit is an HW58.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2011, 08:08:02 pm by zenith1111 »
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #471 on: January 10, 2011, 08:12:01 pm »
I just couldn't handle the noise anymore
wear ear plugs.
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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #472 on: January 10, 2011, 08:36:31 pm »
That's interesting zenith1111; if you do have LED instead of CFL as backlight, you could see lower power consumption with a watt meter.  For others, you can see the difference on the upper right of the PSU PCB:
If it uses LED, it would also make the screen more reliable, in theory at least.

Note, hacking the fan will likely void your warranty, unless your return it back to the old fan, and find a way to not break the case seals [ mine has them.]



I've uploaded a smaller version of Dave's photo, which is just too big.  

« Last Edit: January 10, 2011, 08:38:37 pm by saturation »
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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #473 on: January 10, 2011, 09:26:33 pm »
Another scope successfully hacked...
My scope had the 2.05 SP1 installed and revision 58 hardware. The hacking process went fine, and I have now upgraded to 2.04 SP1 and calibrated...
The scope is really a nice tool to have, at a bargain price too. Though is it just me, or is the scope overshooting? Everything I measure on (except the 1KHz test) is overshooting at both low-to-high and high-to-low transitions.
Fx look at the image below

I compared the supplied probes to my Tek p6106A probes, and foud that the Tek probes did not exhibit overshoot the way the supplied probes did.  The Tek pobe is a 250 Mhz 10Mohm 11.2pF.
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #474 on: January 10, 2011, 09:37:03 pm »
wear ear plugs.
It's not a jet engine, but it is the device with the noisiest cooling in here (desktops, laptops, network, etc.), it's annoying, now it's like my laptop.

Note, hacking the fan will likely void your warranty, unless your return it back to the old fan, and find a way to not break the case seals [ mine has them.]
I am aware, I couldn't open it without breaking the seals. I did a burn-in test and it didn't malfunction, so I tried my luck :)
 


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