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Offline EEVblog

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Re: Do you want to buy the powersupply kit ?
« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2012, 09:20:29 am »
I would buy one for sure if the price is right. And I don't mean to compete with all the cheap chinese stuff on ebay; but many of us leave on another continent and if it goes up to 200$ with shipping and customs and Dave barely makes it even out of this it's not worth considering.

It should be well under this. Although I have no idea how customs works in every country.

No way anyone can compete with the 30V/3A supplies from China.

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Re: Do you want to buy the powersupply kit ?
« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2012, 09:36:06 am »
I am REALLY looking forward to having a decent lab supply.  I'm using an old ATX supply in a cigar box right now, it's horrible.  +5.41v while the -5.00 is spot on.  The +12 is +11.37, etc... 

I do have a question:  Is the kit going to come as a PCB plus parts, or do we buy the parts ourselves on mouser, digikey, etc?  I'm sure if Dave bought the components 1000+ at a time it'd be cheaper, but some might want to just get the PCB itself with no parts.

 

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Re: Do you want to buy the powersupply kit ?
« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2012, 09:52:09 am »
I am REALLY looking forward to having a decent lab supply.  I'm using an old ATX supply in a cigar box right now, it's horrible.  +5.41v while the -5.00 is spot on.  The +12 is +11.37, etc... 

I do have a question:  Is the kit going to come as a PCB plus parts, or do we buy the parts ourselves on mouser, digikey, etc?  I'm sure if Dave bought the components 1000+ at a time it'd be cheaper, but some might want to just get the PCB itself with no parts.

The idea is it's a complete kit.
The problem with just the PCB itself is that it's not really worth my while to post it overseas, it's just too much hassle for a low priced product.

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Re: Do you want to buy the powersupply kit ?
« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2012, 10:42:51 am »
I'd only buy a kit if it supports Dave - otherwise I'd whip up my own PCB to my specs.
 

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Re: Do you want to buy the powersupply kit ?
« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2012, 01:25:01 pm »
I'll buy a whole kit.
Customs in Europe are a pain in the ass: They charge over the complete package: Product (OEM is cheaper) plus shipment. Then you have to pay vat over the total. Argh.
So the best way is to ship it as a gift!

I'll support Dave (gift) and Dave sends a gift.   :)

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Re: Do you want to buy the powersupply kit ?
« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2012, 04:49:20 pm »
Fraud is illegal in most countries, even in the former prison island Oz. Padded envelops tend to be much less likely to be picked up by customs than boxes, although depending on the case size this may not fit.
 

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Re: Do you want to buy the powersupply kit ?
« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2012, 04:53:36 pm »
So the best way is to ship it as a gift!

I won't ship things marked as a "gift", sorry.

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Re: Do you want to buy the powersupply kit ?
« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2012, 04:58:26 pm »
I won't ship things marked as a "gift", sorry.

Dave.

I think you should put these words somewhere at your shop as well, and save some of your energy in replying this kind of requests in the future.

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Re: Do you want to buy the powersupply kit ?
« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2012, 02:03:48 am »
So the best way is to ship it as a gift!

I won't ship things marked as a "gift", sorry.

Dave.
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Re: Do you want to buy the powersupply kit ?
« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2012, 02:43:53 am »
I just checked it with the customs website:

Below €150 no customs import tax but still vat over the total incuding shipment.
And below €22 no tax or vat.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2012, 02:47:50 am by Blue »
 

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AW: Do you want to buy the powersupply kit ?
« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2012, 03:39:29 am »
You'd pay vat for things you buy in your country as well. So is only fair to pay for imported things too
 

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Re: AW: Do you want to buy the powersupply kit ?
« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2012, 04:12:13 am »
You'd pay vat for things you buy in your country as well. So is only fair to pay for imported things too

Except you pay VAT 2 times! On the origin country (VAT over product and shipping) and on your own country again!
 

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Re: AW: Do you want to buy the powersupply kit ?
« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2012, 04:22:31 am »
Except you pay VAT 2 times! On the origin country (VAT over product and shipping) and on your own country again!

Technically you don't have to pay VAT on things that are being exported outside the EU. For instance if I buy things from Amazon UK for delivery to the USA they subtract the VAT at checkout. It's always worth checking with the seller to see if similar rules apply in each case.
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AW: Re: AW: Do you want to buy the powersupply kit ?
« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2012, 05:14:36 am »
You'd pay vat for things you buy in your country as well. So is only fair to pay for imported things too

Except you pay VAT 2 times! On the origin country (VAT over product and shipping) and on your own country again!
Are you sure? For example if you buy in the us you pay different taxes depending on the state your living in and hence websites list prices without including taxes. Now when I buy in the us as a European I never name a us state and just pay the price listed on the website+shipping. Have you made a different experience?
 

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Re: Do you want to buy the powersupply kit ?
« Reply #39 on: January 11, 2012, 05:28:24 am »
When you buy components for something like this, you pay VAT on them. Then you put it together and mark it up a bit, ship it, and people have to pay whatever VAT their country says they have to. So you pay twice. Unless there's some place along the line that you can get some of the VAT back, in which case I would love to hear about it.
 

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Re: Do you want to buy the powersupply kit ?
« Reply #40 on: January 11, 2012, 05:35:43 am »
When you buy components for something like this, you pay VAT on them. Then you put it together and mark it up a bit, ship it, and people have to pay whatever VAT their country says they have to. So you pay twice. Unless there's some place along the line that you can get some of the VAT back, in which case I would love to hear about it.

If you are a business you can register for VAT (must if you are above a size threshold), and as a VAT registered business you can reclaim or deduct VAT on your business purchases (parts, services). So you buy stuff VAT free. But the other side of the coin is that you must then charge and collect VAT on your sales (products, services rendered).
« Last Edit: January 11, 2012, 05:38:39 am by IanB »
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Re: Do you want to buy the powersupply kit ?
« Reply #41 on: January 11, 2012, 05:42:24 am »
When you buy components for something like this, you pay VAT on them. Then you put it together and mark it up a bit, ship it, and people have to pay whatever VAT their country says they have to. So you pay twice. Unless there's some place along the line that you can get some of the VAT back, in which case I would love to hear about it.

That is not true at all, at least within the EU.  You would only pay VAT on the 'value added' at each step, hence the name.  Businesses don't pay VAT on goods they buy that go into finished products which the sell.  The same is true within the US for sales tax.  Likewise, when exporting, you can get the VAT refunded or don't have to pay sales tax.  Actually dealing with all the bureaucratic nonsense when dealing internationally may be difficult or expensive for a small one man shop like dave's -- I don't know, I haven't tried, but it should be possible.
 

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Re: Do you want to buy the powersupply kit ?
« Reply #42 on: January 11, 2012, 07:11:29 am »
If the price is right i will buy one.
Not looking for a bargain but as a student you have to watch your wallet :) .
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Re: Do you want to buy the powersupply kit ?
« Reply #43 on: January 11, 2012, 07:13:21 am »
When you buy components for something like this, you pay VAT on them. Then you put it together and mark it up a bit, ship it, and people have to pay whatever VAT their country says they have to. So you pay twice. Unless there's some place along the line that you can get some of the VAT back, in which case I would love to hear about it.

That is not true at all, at least within the EU.  You would only pay VAT on the 'value added' at each step, hence the name.  Businesses don't pay VAT on goods they buy that go into finished products which the sell.  The same is true within the US for sales tax.  Likewise, when exporting, you can get the VAT refunded or don't have to pay sales tax.  Actually dealing with all the bureaucratic nonsense when dealing internationally may be difficult or expensive for a small one man shop like dave's -- I don't know, I haven't tried, but it should be possible.

To do this you need to register a business i believe? Or can you do it as a sole trader?
 

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Re: Do you want to buy the powersupply kit ?
« Reply #44 on: January 11, 2012, 07:24:29 am »
In The Netherlands you can start a one person company by just filling in an form and it costs like 50 euro /year.
A company HAS to pay VAT but they get it BACK at the end of the year.

So its not true that you dont have to pay... you have to pay but get the VAT back later in the year.
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Re: AW: Do you want to buy the powersupply kit ?
« Reply #45 on: January 11, 2012, 07:27:11 am »
Except you pay VAT 2 times! On the origin country (VAT over product and shipping) and on your own country again!

Technically you don't have to pay VAT on things that are being exported outside the EU. For instance if I buy things from Amazon UK for delivery to the USA they subtract the VAT at checkout. It's always worth checking with the seller to see if similar rules apply in each case.

Sure, for you it is ok. You only pay vat in your own country. And that can be zero. In Europe the Vat =18-21 %. Customs dues are depending on the product. It can be as high as the sky. Take for example a €200 suit from Hong Kong. It will cost you more that €310 to get it! It's legalized theft (naked short selling is even worse).

So I you live in the USA, you have it much cheaper than in the rest of the civilized (?) world.
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Re: Do you want to buy the powersupply kit ?
« Reply #46 on: January 11, 2012, 07:38:55 am »
200 euro * 1.19 = 238 euro incl. VAT
+ some extra shipping tax above 25 euro is 16,XX euro
= 238+16
=254 euro (In The Netherlands)

If you try cheating and the find out (declaring lower value or ...) you get a fine of 50%
so it is 254 euro + (254*0.5)
= 381 euro and Ur screwed ;)


My expirience in Europe is as long it is not bigger thand an bubble wrap envelope they wont check it and you dont have to pay anything extra like VAT.
If you order an oscilloscope in a big box they will check and you get a fine if the proper value is not declared.
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Re: Do you want to buy the powersupply kit ?
« Reply #47 on: January 11, 2012, 07:46:41 am »
How do they calculate value on used items?

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Re: Do you want to buy the powersupply kit ?
« Reply #48 on: January 11, 2012, 08:17:45 am »
I'll most likely be building it, great to be able to follow along from design to construction. Having the kit is a plus since I'll have to order all the parts anyways.
I'm perfectly happy with what Dave comes up with, no design change requests :-)
 

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Re: Do you want to buy the powersupply kit ?
« Reply #49 on: January 11, 2012, 08:19:08 am »
VAT should only be charged once if the product is going to another eu country the vat should not be charged in the originating country but paid in destination unless there are arrangements in place by the member states such as the UK Germany France and some others where the vat is charged at source and not paid at destination If you are a business you declare it each month as vat paid from another eu member state in order to reclaim it then charge vat at the relevant rate when you resell. But what ever you do do not use UPS or fedex as they not only charge you vat on the import whether it is due or not they also levy a charge for doing so with a minimum charge of £11 for UPS and £10 for fedex get it sent regular mail as that way it will often miss charges even if they are due, over £15 in the UK. 
 


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