Author Topic: eevBLAB 97- Is Apple Serious About Right To Repair? (The Verge)  (Read 13383 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Online madires

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 7770
  • Country: de
  • A qualified hobbyist ;)
Re: eevBLAB 97- Is Apple Serious About Right To Repair? (The Verge)
« Reply #75 on: May 29, 2022, 01:45:57 pm »
The main issue at the moment is the Irish DPC undermining the GDPR by delaying things and playing games (most big corps have their EU headquarter in Ireland). And we need a new treaty with the US since the last one is declared null and void by the court.
 

Offline eti

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • !
  • Posts: 1801
  • Country: gb
  • MOD: a.k.a Unlokia, glossywhite, iamwhoiam etc
Re: eevBLAB 97- Is Apple Serious About Right To Repair? (The Verge)
« Reply #76 on: May 29, 2022, 09:58:01 pm »
AS regards USB-C not coming, let me point you to someone with a brain...

https://www.imore.com/why-iphone-12-still-wont-be-going-usb-c

I genuinely don't care why you or anyone else thinks USB-C won't be coming to an iPhone. You are flatly refusing to face the possibility that they won't have a choice.

I think if you knew who Rene Ritchie was, and just HOW much privileged access he has inside Apple, you may forgo your disdain for me (which is irrelevant to the discussion) and do some reading and listening. You are as stubborn as I am, and I admit that I am.
 

Offline ataradov

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 11269
  • Country: us
    • Personal site
Re: eevBLAB 97- Is Apple Serious About Right To Repair? (The Verge)
« Reply #77 on: May 30, 2022, 11:13:36 pm »
An other fail of the program from logistic geniuses. When you order the kit and the battery, they ship from different locations and with different methods (shipping lithium batteries is hard). As a result there is a real chace that the pelican cases arrive early and the battery much later. Well, you only have one week of rental time, after that you have to return the kit or you will be charged a ton of money.

Video where even journalists doing it for the segment, did not manage to get things in time to actually do it (skip to 24:30, there is nothing new in the first part):

Alex
 

Offline eti

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • !
  • Posts: 1801
  • Country: gb
  • MOD: a.k.a Unlokia, glossywhite, iamwhoiam etc
Re: eevBLAB 97- Is Apple Serious About Right To Repair? (The Verge)
« Reply #78 on: May 31, 2022, 01:50:16 am »
An other fail of the program from logistic geniuses. When you order the kit and the battery, they ship from different locations and with different methods (shipping lithium batteries is hard). As a result there is a real chace that the pelican cases arrive early and the battery much later. Well, you only have one week of rental time, after that you have to return the kit or you will be charged a ton of money.

Video where even journalists doing it for the segment, did not manage to get things in time to actually do it (skip to 24:30, there is nothing new in the first part):



Yeah, I've watched every SINGLE one of these videos, (including "iPad Rehab"'s 3hr repair, right through), and this is the ONLY chap who had an issue with the deliveries of kit being out of sync.

This is one SINGLE, anecdotal example of this, and it's not exclusive to Apple Self-Repair (hint: you're truly cherry picking things which suit your agenda). I'll speak high praise for Mikah Sargent, the chap doing the video you've referenced; I watch their network 5 times a week, and have done for around 7 years, and whilst I do not agree with all their commentary, they stand apart from the majority of the rest of the tech "journalists", in that Leo Laporte, the founder, has been doing this job for DECADES (and let me say that Mikah is a relative newcomer, his youth and inexperience are maybe influencing his gripe re the shipping - it does seem a little unfair to blame a common issue with couriers, on "Spot", the company arranging shipment of the kit; lest we forget this is a NEW PROGRAMME, and it has teething problems - I'd like to see ANYONE run this repair system SO well [and without shipping charges!!!])

We get it mate, you don't approve of it. Some people just want to pick fault... I can be like that too, but in this instance, you are truly clutching at straws, and Mikah's experience with one item arriving late, DOES NOT make the whole scheme "bad" - that's an extremely naive, immature outlook.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2022, 01:55:18 am by eti »
 
The following users thanked this post: bd139

Offline eti

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • !
  • Posts: 1801
  • Country: gb
  • MOD: a.k.a Unlokia, glossywhite, iamwhoiam etc
Re: eevBLAB 97- Is Apple Serious About Right To Repair? (The Verge)
« Reply #79 on: May 31, 2022, 02:04:40 am »
Ah, I had not seen the video. That clarifies things.

But, IMHO the person in the video is overreacting emotionally to what's actually in the agreement. Muting the video and just reading the text (pasted below), they're gathering photos of the phone and some diagnostics data, which includes info about other devices the phone is used with (it does not say they're harvesting user data off of those devices, just diagnostic data). Call count & durations (not the same as "who you called, and what was said").

They then list the specific purposes they use this info for ... to summarize: determining trade-in value & audit, troubleshooting the phone, improving products & services, and anti-fraud. Nothing there about targeted marketing.

I don't interpret any of this as nefarious or invasive. YMMV.  :-//

"By tapping "Agree" you agree that Apple
may collect images of this device, which
may be linked to the device serial number
as well as diagnostic data from this device,
and any paired accessories or other
devices, including the device serial number,
device name information about wireless
and wired networks you connect to, daily
count of call attempts and information
about app usage data and call duration ("di-
agnostics data"). Apple may use the images
and the diagnostics data to determine the
device's trade-in value. Apple may also use
the images for related audit purposes, and
to improve our products and services. In
addition, Apple and its partners may use the
diagnostics data to troubleshoot issues with
this device, to improve our products and
services, and for anti-fraud purposes."

This truly IS "The offended generation", and people go WAAAAAY out of their way to look for ways to grab "offence" and ingest it. I agree, it's play acting and speculation about unknowns. I trust Apple, and I DO NOT EVER trust Google, and yet the same people who whine about Apple, fall strangely silent or go WAY over-defensive when you point out the countless instances of Google demonstrating absolute CONTEMPT for privacy. Of all the companies I have dealt with in technology, Apple are, by far, THE most discrete, courteous, professional and accurate - and one HUGE stand-out is that they don't squander their $$$, time and energy into dragging other people and companies down, and mocking them; a trap SO may companies fall into, which smacks of institutional insecurity and immaturity at a management level (Samsung is one of many examples)
 
The following users thanked this post: AnalogAficionado

Offline bd139

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 23032
  • Country: gb
Re: eevBLAB 97- Is Apple Serious About Right To Repair? (The Verge)
« Reply #80 on: May 31, 2022, 06:14:44 am »
An other fail of the program from logistic geniuses. When you order the kit and the battery, they ship from different locations and with different methods (shipping lithium batteries is hard). As a result there is a real chace that the pelican cases arrive early and the battery much later. Well, you only have one week of rental time, after that you have to return the kit or you will be charged a ton of money.

Video where even journalists doing it for the segment, did not manage to get things in time to actually do it (skip to 24:30, there is nothing new in the first part):



If you go looking for problems you will find them.

If you go looking for solutions you will find them.

The second way to live your life is the happiest.
 

Offline jonpaul

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 3366
  • Country: fr
Re: eevBLAB 97- Is Apple Serious About Right To Repair? (The Verge)
« Reply #81 on: May 31, 2022, 06:41:27 am »
I have worked in telecommunications since 1970s, some of my work is still in use.

Mobile Phones are built to regional requirements, to meet government compliance, SIM types, GSM and CDMA band variations.  Thus a phone sold in the USA has different chipset, cell modem,  codecs, firmware and software from an EU or Chinese version.

For example phones in Asia commonly have dual SIM slots, but Western phones have one physical SIM and an esim.

Thus, Non-authorized non-manufacturer repairs can result in out of compliance phones.  The legal and regulatory compliance is one reason why Apple and all other phones manufacturers are reluctant to support DIY repairs.

Finally the parts market is filled with Chinese knockoffs of screens, connectors, batteries, etc.
Any DIY or repair store is likely to use NON OEM inférieur parts.

The "right to repair" is a complex problem, especially for mobile phones.

Alternative solutions...just Buy the cheapest phone possible
For high end models, get extended warranty


Bon courage

Just the ramblings of an old retired EE

Jon
Jean-Paul  the Internet Dinosaur
 
The following users thanked this post: bd139, AnalogAficionado

Offline SilverSolder

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 6126
  • Country: 00
Re: eevBLAB 97- Is Apple Serious About Right To Repair? (The Verge)
« Reply #82 on: May 31, 2022, 07:07:27 pm »
[...]
Alternative solutions...just Buy the cheapest phone possible
For high end models, get extended warranty
[...]

Solution 3:  buy yesterday's high end phones cheap...    often you can find them in like new condition.   
 

Offline bd139

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 23032
  • Country: gb
Re: eevBLAB 97- Is Apple Serious About Right To Repair? (The Verge)
« Reply #83 on: May 31, 2022, 07:08:56 pm »
Caveat: does not apply to android phones because they are cheap because the vendor stopped patching them…
 

Offline coppice

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 8652
  • Country: gb
Re: eevBLAB 97- Is Apple Serious About Right To Repair? (The Verge)
« Reply #84 on: May 31, 2022, 07:20:02 pm »
I've only ever known one company that was truly into the right to repair - Philips. Through most of their history every piece of service documentation, and every spare part was orderable by anyone at reasonable cost. They kept all the specialist parts, including things like plastic mouldings, available for years. Every other company has a love-hate relationship with the topic. Some seasons its in their interests to be more open, and in some seasons it isn't. So your interactions with the company will depend strongly on timing.
 

Offline SilverSolder

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 6126
  • Country: 00
Re: eevBLAB 97- Is Apple Serious About Right To Repair? (The Verge)
« Reply #85 on: May 31, 2022, 07:23:06 pm »
Caveat: does not apply to android phones because they are cheap because the vendor stopped patching them…

There are reasons for not wanting the latest version of Android anyway, as the later versions get more and more restrictive with what you are allowed to do.  We all have to make our own risk-reward calculations!

I handle this by never putting sensitive data on any of my phones...  patched or not!
 

Offline SilverSolder

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 6126
  • Country: 00
Re: eevBLAB 97- Is Apple Serious About Right To Repair? (The Verge)
« Reply #86 on: May 31, 2022, 07:24:16 pm »
I've only ever known one company that was truly into the right to repair - Philips. Through most of their history every piece of service documentation, and every spare part was orderable by anyone at reasonable cost. They kept all the specialist parts, including things like plastic mouldings, available for years. Every other company has a love-hate relationship with the topic. Some seasons its in their interests to be more open, and in some seasons it isn't. So your interactions with the company will depend strongly on timing.

I agree, Philips have tended to provide well supported stuff.  Hard for them to compete in the "junk market" with that approach, though.
 

Offline bd139

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 23032
  • Country: gb
Re: eevBLAB 97- Is Apple Serious About Right To Repair? (The Verge)
« Reply #87 on: May 31, 2022, 07:50:58 pm »
Caveat: does not apply to android phones because they are cheap because the vendor stopped patching them…

There are reasons for not wanting the latest version of Android anyway, as the later versions get more and more restrictive with what you are allowed to do.  We all have to make our own risk-reward calculations!

I handle this by never putting sensitive data on any of my phones...  patched or not!

That's a terrible argument. Using a shitty old compromised version of android and avoid using it for anything sensitive is probably the worst security posture.

I have to run a business off mine so I buy the current flagship iPhone every 24 months with AppleCare cash up front. That covers the damage, loss, security and performance vectors adequately to reduce the risk of impacting income and reputation. TCO is <£22 a month. Plus I get to use it for leisure purposes: camera, mapping, navigation, entertainment. Amazing value for money.
 

Offline SilverSolder

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 6126
  • Country: 00
Re: eevBLAB 97- Is Apple Serious About Right To Repair? (The Verge)
« Reply #88 on: June 01, 2022, 02:26:23 am »
Caveat: does not apply to android phones because they are cheap because the vendor stopped patching them…

There are reasons for not wanting the latest version of Android anyway, as the later versions get more and more restrictive with what you are allowed to do.  We all have to make our own risk-reward calculations!

I handle this by never putting sensitive data on any of my phones...  patched or not!

That's a terrible argument. Using a shitty old compromised version of android and avoid using it for anything sensitive is probably the worst security posture.

I have to run a business off mine so I buy the current flagship iPhone every 24 months with AppleCare cash up front. That covers the damage, loss, security and performance vectors adequately to reduce the risk of impacting income and reputation. TCO is <£22 a month. Plus I get to use it for leisure purposes: camera, mapping, navigation, entertainment. Amazing value for money.


Maybe so...  I have a stack of cheap phones that I leave in my house, office, car, etc. so I don't have to carry one with me.   Esoteric, I know.  It works for me, though!
 

Offline eti

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • !
  • Posts: 1801
  • Country: gb
  • MOD: a.k.a Unlokia, glossywhite, iamwhoiam etc
Re: eevBLAB 97- Is Apple Serious About Right To Repair? (The Verge)
« Reply #89 on: June 01, 2022, 06:29:02 am »
Read here: https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/oi42n2/what_are_arguments_against_right_to_repair/

(If you're too lazy or stubborn to click a link and read a paragraph, here it is):

Quote
The main positive effect of, for example, Apple repair policies has to do with preserving security and the quality expectations of the brand. Not all, but some things that might be replaced with non-Apple components could have unintended (or even purposeful) security vulnerabilities that could compromise user data. The Face ID scanner and fingerprint sensor being two examples. Apple hates that potential.

The second is, if the quality of the parts is well below Apple's standards, then people may start to ascribe a poor experience to Apple even if the poor experience isn’t necessarily due to an Apple part. Poor quality screens, replacements batteries with even worse life than the one they replace, faulty components corrupting data or causing frequent crashes and reboots, etc. all those are possible. Not guaranteed, but possible.

One of the key strategies behind Apple policy many times is doing all they can to ensure there's only “one throat to choke” when something goes wrong. Apple wants to take all the credit for a high quality user experience, so they focus on keeping as much under their control as possible. Allowing third party repair sounds great from the consumer perspective, and it’s a nice idea, but it also reduces Apple's control, in both good and bad ways.

Essentially, Apple feels if a third party repair goes wrong, they will still get the blame, because it’s their logo on the device. So, if you’re going to get the blame anyway, you might as well do all you can to ensure you deserve it.




There's a very basic aspect to all this, which no one mentions, amusingly...

This squawking bunch may feel that they have this "right" to repair, but guess what else they have? FREE WILL, and they can always bypass the purchase and not buy the thing (and make do with a laptop or other device) - the whiners are SO "entitled" - ya know what? We got by FOR MANY DECADES without all this junk, you do not "NEED" the thing you complain so vocally about claiming a "right" to repair.

Apple equally have a right to do business the way they see fit for their customers' security and streamlining of their business and security protocols. Do you feel you have a "right" to access chieftain tank service manuals, if you bought one military surplus? Nope. They have every right to ignore your request - the stuff inside both the tank and Apple kit is classified information - ya ain't got jack sh#t "right" to know it, and they, the ones who conceived it, have EVERY right (far more than you) to keep it from you. It's their reputation on the line if security compromised replacement parts get into iPhones and iPads; normal 9-5 consumers don't know or care (and why should they!) how or why these things work; if they buy a used iPhone and *THEIR PRIVATE DATA* was leaked due to an iffy, compromised repair, do you think they, on the whole, have the fine-grained critical thinking skills, or knowledge, to differentiate between "iffy parts" and what they entail, and "BAD APPLE! MY DATA LEAKED!"

Get over it and get a grip; you have naff all "rights", and I believe Apple are AT LEAST helping you by showing that the average man is NOT skilled enough to do these repairs. Simple

As technical-minded folks, you have to step back a bit, snap yourself out of the technology world, and realise that these "right to repair" people (and you) are about 0.00000000000001% of Apple's customers.
« Last Edit: June 01, 2022, 06:33:16 am by eti »
 

Offline jonpaul

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 3366
  • Country: fr
Re: eevBLAB 97- Is Apple Serious About Right To Repair? (The Verge)
« Reply #90 on: June 01, 2022, 07:02:02 am »
"You have no privacy anyway..get over it!"

Scott McNealy founder of  Sun Microsystems, 1999

Jon
Jean-Paul  the Internet Dinosaur
 
The following users thanked this post: eti

Online madires

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 7770
  • Country: de
  • A qualified hobbyist ;)
Re: eevBLAB 97- Is Apple Serious About Right To Repair? (The Verge)
« Reply #91 on: June 01, 2022, 09:47:44 am »
The second is, if the quality of the parts is well below Apple's standards, then people may start to ascribe a poor experience to Apple even if the poor experience isn’t necessarily due to an Apple part. Poor quality screens, replacements batteries with even worse life than the one they replace, faulty components corrupting data or causing frequent crashes and reboots, etc. all those are possible. Not guaranteed, but possible.

... like genuine shorted MLCCs which come with the Apple product. >:D Would you blame <your prefered car brand> or your mechanic when he replaces a broken part with some Chinese knock-off in your car?
 

Offline golden_labels

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 1210
  • Country: pl
Re: eevBLAB 97- Is Apple Serious About Right To Repair? (The Verge)
« Reply #92 on: June 01, 2022, 01:35:55 pm »
This squawking bunch may feel that they have this "right" to repair, but guess what else they have? FREE WILL, and they can always bypass the purchase and not buy the thing (and make do with a laptop or other device) - the whiners are SO "entitled" - ya know what? We got by FOR MANY DECADES without all this junk, you do not "NEED" the thing you complain so vocally about claiming a "right" to repair.
You are fighting a statement never made by the other side — you invented it yourself. The right to repair movement is not and never was about Apple in particular. Apple is just a high-visibility target, a single company which affects large population, and a few of its practices are easy to understand by laymen as something negative.(1) That makes it a useful item in rhetorical inventory, but it is in no way the core problem.

Repairing hardware is only one of the facets of the right to repair.(2) Fran Blanche has nicely summed it up: it’s about the right to own. And the movement is not living in the vacuum. It heavily interlocks with other ideas. Trying to slay the entire concept by equating it to a single point in the debate is somewhere between blissful ignorance and clumsy manipulation.

Apple equally have a right to do business the way they see fit for their customers' security and streamlining of their business and security protocols. (…)
Yes, there is risk of harm to the brand being done by ignorant, dishonest or in some way obsessed users. Actually it constantly is being done everywhere. Not only to Apple, but to everyone. It is also done in a systematic and planned manner to people repairing stuff and providing replacements. Guess, who are the leaders in such attacks. Fighting the damage to brands of myriads of companies and individuals, just to let a few major players keep control over the market, is one of the reasons right to repair exists.

You are also somehow forgetting that rights are not absolute and do not magically come before other rights. They are also not all equally important. A company has the right to protect their brand. But it is never unlimited and in some cases it may even be completely overridden.

Get over it and get a grip; you have naff all "rights", and I believe Apple are AT LEAST helping you by showing that the average man is NOT skilled enough to do these repairs. Simple
I am from a former communist country. I do not recall any single building not having at least one person who was fixing electronics, every other family not having someone who did electrical work, basic plumbing or carpentry, or someone not capable of mending clothes. With no internet, even with restricted flow of information. All that included skill to illegally acquire resources needed.

I do not want this to return. Seeing monstrosities found in electrical installations of that era is enough of the reason.(3) But that observation directly contradicts your claim. Yes, average people are quite capable of fixing stuff. They may be not interested in acquiring the skill without sufficient pressure, but that is not the same as being incapable. Of course that is of little relevance too, because the movement was never about literally everyone fixing their own gear. Again, a a nice straw man. Even worse, the argument made is yet another repetition of long debunked one.(4)

As technical-minded folks, you have to step back a bit, snap yourself out of the technology world, and realise that these "right to repair" people (and you) are about 0.00000000000001% of Apple's customers.
Which is true for any rights movement. It’s always a tiny minority that profoundly cares. The rest is at best leaning to support them, short-term. Try being an activist in any subject and you will quickly learn the painful breakdown: 3M is directly affected, 300k has opinions, 30k supports on Facebook, 3k appear on protests, 300 does anything of real value, 30 goes to meetings with authorities, 3 of them come prepared.

So, by the logic you presented, basically nothing should ever be done with anything. Good that not everyone thinks the same way or otherwise now we would be plowing our fields and collecting grain for ours lords, instead of writing on this forum.(5)


(1) Even if some of the practices (e.g. glued batteries) may have be a sound choice from engineering perspective (direct thermal coupling to the case; skipping battery frame) and in the end they may stay with us.
(2) No, Rossman neither has created nor is defining the movement. He jumped on the bandwagon that was in motion for two decades. An important activist doing good job, but he is not equal to the idea.
(3) Not that the licensed electricians at the time were much better, but they are now.
(4) Against slavery abolition in US: why would you free slaves, if slaves are not capable of taking care of themselves. That is both circular reasoning and making an invalid assumption.
(5) Figuratively. I know it’s not the season for plowing.
« Last Edit: June 01, 2022, 01:39:36 pm by golden_labels »
People imagine AI as T1000. What we got so far is glorified T9.
 
The following users thanked this post: ealex, SilverSolder

Offline eti

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • !
  • Posts: 1801
  • Country: gb
  • MOD: a.k.a Unlokia, glossywhite, iamwhoiam etc
Re: eevBLAB 97- Is Apple Serious About Right To Repair? (The Verge)
« Reply #93 on: June 02, 2022, 12:06:58 am »
This thread = 🤦🏻‍♂️
 
The following users thanked this post: bd139, AnalogAficionado

Offline SilverSolder

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 6126
  • Country: 00
Re: eevBLAB 97- Is Apple Serious About Right To Repair? (The Verge)
« Reply #94 on: June 02, 2022, 09:04:31 pm »
This thread = 🤦🏻‍♂️


@golden_labels did put up a pretty coherent argument.

My sense is that companies should have the right to not provide info and parts - let the market come to their own conclusions about that. 

On the other hand, people should not be restricted by law from repairing stuff (by DMCA etc.) if they hack their way into stuff that they are in legal possession of,  and it should not be illegal to distribute technical information obtained by taking stuff apart.   This goes all the way back to freedom of expression.

They can't have it both ways...
 

Offline ataradov

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 11269
  • Country: us
    • Personal site
Re: eevBLAB 97- Is Apple Serious About Right To Repair? (The Verge)
« Reply #95 on: June 02, 2022, 09:21:20 pm »
They can't have it both ways...
This is basically where we are now. The issue here is that companies not only don't share any parts or information, they actively working on preventing repairs. More and more parts of the phone come with ID chips making third-party replacements impossible.

And market only works so far. Apple has more money that GDP of some countries. They have the power to move the market via non-market forces, which they do by buying politicians.
Alex
 

Offline bd139

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 23032
  • Country: gb
Re: eevBLAB 97- Is Apple Serious About Right To Repair? (The Verge)
« Reply #96 on: June 02, 2022, 09:44:47 pm »
They can't have it both ways...
This is basically where we are now. The issue here is that companies not only don't share any parts or information, they actively working on preventing repairs. More and more parts of the phone come with ID chips making third-party replacements impossible.

And market only works so far. Apple has more money that GDP of some countries. They have the power to move the market via non-market forces, which they do by buying politicians.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

The device accept third party screens, cameras, batteries absolutely fine.

The ID and authentication process allows the phone to show an authentic part was used when it was repaired as per the following screenshot:



The second hand phone market is quite frankly a fucking shit show at the moment. You have no idea what frankenphone you're going to end up with. That feature nearly entirely ends that problem as the phone will report exactly what it has inside in it which is the best position for the buyer.

I think you are a victim of the sensationalist reporting bolstered by the dying repair companies here as their market for passing off junk as quality repairs is diminishing.
« Last Edit: June 02, 2022, 09:47:47 pm by bd139 »
 
The following users thanked this post: AnalogAficionado

Offline SilverSolder

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 6126
  • Country: 00
Re: eevBLAB 97- Is Apple Serious About Right To Repair? (The Verge)
« Reply #97 on: June 03, 2022, 01:34:56 pm »
[...]
The ID and authentication process allows the phone to show an authentic part was used when it was repaired
[...]

For example, an iPhone 8 in good condition might be worth $150 on the open market today.  A replacement battery for an iPhone 8 is less than $10 on eBay.   Going to Apple for an out-of-warranty repair would cost $50....  1/3 of the value of the phone.   So there is definitely still a viable market for third party replacement work.

The ID chip idea sounds good in principle, but has been abused in other industries (not saying this applies to Apple).  For some cars (and John Deere tractors!) you can't take a used computer controlled subsystem off a wrecked car and use that to repair a still roadworthy vehicle without taking it past a dealer to reprogram the rest of the car to accept the "new" part...   This adds expense and inconvenience to the repair process when carried out by anyone other than a person with access to the official service tools.

 

Online madires

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 7770
  • Country: de
  • A qualified hobbyist ;)
Re: eevBLAB 97- Is Apple Serious About Right To Repair? (The Verge)
« Reply #98 on: June 03, 2022, 02:02:35 pm »
... and you start asking yourself who actually owns the gadget, tractor or whatever. You're locked in the walled garden of some vendor. Add cognitive dissonance and you even claim that the walled garden is the best thing since sliced bread. :scared:
 

Offline SilverSolder

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 6126
  • Country: 00
Re: eevBLAB 97- Is Apple Serious About Right To Repair? (The Verge)
« Reply #99 on: June 03, 2022, 02:38:16 pm »
... and you start asking yourself who actually owns the gadget, tractor or whatever. You're locked in the walled garden of some vendor. Add cognitive dissonance and you even claim that the walled garden is the best thing since sliced bread. :scared:

The "walled garden" model can work fine for some people!  E.g. one farmer could just say, "I'm giving John Deere 15% of my harvest to do the job for me without having to worry about anything, and I'm OK with that".

I think most iPhone owners are OK with it too.   They pay more, but since they are generally non-technical people, they pay more for everything they do anyway so they are probably used to it!  :D
 


Share me

Digg  Facebook  SlashDot  Delicious  Technorati  Twitter  Google  Yahoo
Smf