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Re: EEVblog #1002 - Trumps Solar Freakin Wall DEBUNKED
« Reply #75 on: June 27, 2017, 03:28:54 pm »
Not sure if it's been mentioned - and depending on whose figures you base this on - between 40 - 60% of all "illegal" / "over-stayed" mexicans came in legally !!

The drug dealers dig tunnels underneath the wall.

Most of the places with no wall at the moment are just hellhole deserts with no roads where you'll die of thirst before you reach a town.

(and if Trump thinks he can install solar cheaply in those areas he's mistaken - no transport, no water, nowhere to sleep... is he going to fly a billion yards of concrete + steel + solar panels in there with helicopters?)
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« Reply #76 on: June 27, 2017, 03:32:45 pm »
the higher the wall, it will be closer to the sun.
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Re: EEVblog #1002 - Trumps Solar Freakin Wall DEBUNKED
« Reply #77 on: June 27, 2017, 03:33:13 pm »
ROI is still going to be ~9 years? someplace around there on the panels

but its GREEN

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Re: EEVblog #1002 - Trumps Solar Freakin Wall DEBUNKED
« Reply #78 on: June 27, 2017, 03:38:10 pm »
ROI is still going to be ~9 years? someplace around there on the panels

Not even close. That's the ROI for installing them sensibly in a big flat place that's suited for it.

 

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« Reply #79 on: June 27, 2017, 08:04:37 pm »
If it is prooven that the project of the solar wall is wrong (as Dave did), this is not an insult against the President of USA.
Even the President of USA can make errors, everyone can make errors, we are humans.  :popcorn:

USA is the country of freedom of speech and of protection of human rights.
We cann't use the same principles of the North Corea where the President is like a god. :palm:

Debunking a technical and scientific project has nothing to do with politics in a free country. :clap:
 

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Re: EEVblog #1002 - Trumps Solar Freakin Wall DEBUNKED
« Reply #80 on: June 27, 2017, 08:41:08 pm »
Well the Youtube comments on that video just got so out of control that any discussion of the actual topic of a solar wall or solar energy got completely swapped by politics and vitriol.
I deleted most political comments that did not add any value.
Not often I have to do delete comments on that scale (almost never), but it happens. Meh, Youtube.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1002 - Trumps Solar Freakin Wall DEBUNKED
« Reply #81 on: June 27, 2017, 09:00:17 pm »
Perhaps if you left the T name out, so just called it "Solar Wall debunked" it would not have attracked so much attention.
On the other hand the purpose of youtube videos is to attrack as much attention as possible.
Next time weigh the pros and cons, many views vs who is viewing  ;D
 

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Re: EEVblog #1002 - Trumps Solar Freakin Wall DEBUNKED
« Reply #82 on: June 27, 2017, 10:51:46 pm »
Perhaps if you left the T name out, so just called it "Solar Wall debunked" it would not have attracked so much attention.

Nope, wouldn't have mattered. It's not like it went viral and is being viewed by Joe Public.
Except for a few who got personally upset about me "insulting" their president, the politics would have remained.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1002 - Trumps Solar Freakin Wall DEBUNKED
« Reply #83 on: June 27, 2017, 11:15:16 pm »
Well the Youtube comments on that video just got so out of control that any discussion of the actual topic of a solar wall or solar energy got completely swapped by politics and vitriol.
I deleted most political comments that did not add any value.
Not often I have to do delete comments on that scale (almost never), but it happens. Meh, Youtube.
This is why I made my initial comment. If I was you I would have asked Thunderf00t to do it  :popcorn:
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Re: EEVblog #1002 - Trumps Solar Freakin Wall DEBUNKED
« Reply #84 on: June 28, 2017, 12:02:28 am »
Perhaps if you left the T name out, so just called it "Solar Wall debunked" it would not have attracked so much attention.

Nope, wouldn't have mattered. It's not like it went viral and is being viewed by Joe Public.
Except for a few who got personally upset about me "insulting" their president, the politics would have remained.

We live in interesting times, elections, policies and public opinion are being manipulated on a grand scale by state operators, some within, some outside, 'experts' are being ridiculed and marginalised (for instance, 'Britain has had enough of experts' https://www.ft.com/content/3be49734-29cb-11e6-83e4-abc22d5d108c?mhq5j=e3) for political gain.

Regardless of where my political allegiances lie, there is a widening and ever more vicious rift between the political sides of the debate and those who want to believe the rhetoric over the facts will do in ever more rabid fashion, defending their bubble beyond reason.

Keep on with the debunking and keep throwing the fish, you never know, one of them might knock some sense into a viewer and strike the spark of intellectual curiosity strongly enough that it not only debunks but makes them question more.
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Re: EEVblog #1002 - Trumps Solar Freakin Wall DEBUNKED
« Reply #85 on: June 28, 2017, 04:04:18 am »
so instead of revenue of ~100m per year your talking revenue of ~1billion per year.  |O

ROI is per-panel.

If you generate 10x more income it's because you paid 10x more for the installation, have 10x more maintenance and need 10x more infrastructure to transport it (or more, because you'll have to transport it further if the locals can't use it all).

Building a long, narrow farm a far from where it's needed is uneconomical no matter how you look at it.

I've tried to say this several times already, but the ROI for a solar wall cannot be very good. The installed cost for utility scale solar that Dave quoted was for systems in suitable locations and built in a cost-efficient manner. 1) remote parts of the desert between the US and Mexico that do not have nearby transmission lines are not suitable. 2) particularly hot places are also not suitable (it cuts down on output) 3) roof-mounted systems are much more expensive than ground-mounted 4) making a linear array of panels is ridiculous and will multiply the "balance of system" costs several times over a compact array.

These factors are not small, and they will kill the 10 year payback or whatever that Dave calculated.

Now, assuming that the wall is built, I could imagine that some very small systems with battery to power lighting and security could be more more cost effective than running distribution lines to the middle of nowhere. This is no different than powering a crosswalk signal with a solar panel + battery because cutting a trench across the sidewalk to access power 20 feet away costs more.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1002 - Trumps Solar Freakin Wall DEBUNKED
« Reply #86 on: June 28, 2017, 11:29:07 am »
Perhaps if you left the T name out, so just called it "Solar Wall debunked" it would not have attracked so much attention.

Nope, wouldn't have mattered. It's not like it went viral and is being viewed by Joe Public.
Except for a few who got personally upset about me "insulting" their president, the politics would have remained.

Regardless of where my political allegiances lie, there is a widening and ever more vicious rift between the political sides of the debate and those who want to believe the rhetoric over the facts will do in ever more rabid fashion, defending their bubble beyond reason.
I watched the video and I really think Roy's reaction (and maybe others on YT) was exaggerated, especially on a discussion about the technical viability of an idea. Yeah, there were some jabs here and there but the vitriolic response confirms what I have seen recently: some of the right wing folks that correctly criticized the exaggeration of extreme leftists and SJWs are starting to use the exact same childish techniques and "reasoning by screaming". Gosh, I really wish there were a lot less "yes men" around the former two presidents of my country (Brazil) when they were leading the country to the dumpster with populist and idiotic ideas while lining theirs and their friends' pockets with massive amounts of cash!  :rant:
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Re: EEVblog #1002 - Trumps Solar Freakin Wall DEBUNKED
« Reply #87 on: July 08, 2017, 04:22:31 am »
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Re: EEVblog #1002 - Trumps Solar Freakin Wall DEBUNKED
« Reply #88 on: July 08, 2017, 06:59:40 am »
If it is prooven that the project of the solar wall is wrong (as Dave did), this is not an insult against the President of USA.
Even the President of USA can make errors, everyone can make errors, we are humans.  :popcorn:

USA is the country of freedom of speech and of protection of human rights.
We cann't use the same principles of the North Corea where the President is like a god. :palm:

Debunking a technical and scientific project has nothing to do with politics in a free country. :clap:

There is an underlying problem.
You can make all the feelgood platitudes you like, but protecting stupidity after it has been proven is a greater problem.
Don't ask a question if you aren't willing to listen to the answer.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1002 - Trumps Solar Freakin Wall DEBUNKED
« Reply #89 on: July 09, 2017, 06:29:34 am »
If it is prooven that the project of the solar wall is wrong (as Dave did), this is not an insult against the President of USA.
Even the President of USA can make errors, everyone can make errors, we are humans.  :popcorn:

USA is the country of freedom of speech and of protection of human rights.
We cann't use the same principles of the North Corea where the President is like a god. :palm:

Debunking a technical and scientific project has nothing to do with politics in a free country. :clap:

There is an underlying problem.
You can make all the feelgood platitudes you like, but protecting stupidity after it has been proven is a greater problem.
I am not protecting stupidity, I am only trying to let to the americans the responsability of "debunking" their political problems....They have elected Trump as their President, they have to assume their choice....
Stupidity ? What do you know about politics ? To seem stupid but not be , It may be a political strategy that seems to works ....

The subject of this forum and of Dave's videos is only geared towards technical and scientific problems ..... There are other forums to discuss politics.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1002 - Trumps Solar Freakin Wall DEBUNKED
« Reply #90 on: July 09, 2017, 08:56:02 am »
I am not protecting stupidity, I am only trying to let to the Americans the responsibility of "debunking" their political problems....They have elected Trump as their President, they have to assume their choice....
Stupidity ? What do you know about politics ? To seem stupid but not be , It may be a political strategy that seems to works ....
Don't take it personally.
My comment was to stupidity in general! - not your added comment.
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