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Offline SaKhan

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Re: EEVblog #1042 - Siglent's $499 SDS1104X-E 4CH Oscilloscope Teardown
« Reply #50 on: December 02, 2017, 12:09:50 am »
I guess not many. Siglent as many other vendors probably backport the necessary bug fixes and features from the newer kernels in order to have a stable and established ecosystem. There are so many changes between 3.19 and 4.x that unless we have a config from their production kernel it's really hard to tell.

How many of the changes would even be applicable in this context:

https://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_4.0

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
That's what I'm saying - the kernel is usually not a problem at all unless you have very recent hardware and/or features you have to support.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1042 - Siglent's $499 SDS1104X-E 4CH Oscilloscope Teardown
« Reply #51 on: December 02, 2017, 05:05:51 pm »
The kernel version used by the Siglent firmware will probably be dictated by the Xilinx Zinq development tools and BSP. This will have likely have been frozen when the development of the SDS1000X-E family was well under way. It all leads to old stuff being in use and is basically the same problem that faces Android. In the future the 6 year support lifetimes of newer kernels will help. Maybe. Like most IoT devices it's probably best not to connect it to an Internet connected network...
 

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Re: EEVblog #1042 - Siglent's $499 SDS1104X-E 4CH Oscilloscope Teardown
« Reply #52 on: December 03, 2017, 09:38:48 am »
hi,

I wan to to change my 2 channel DSO (OWON SDS7102v) with a 4 channels one + serial decoding. Would you suggest this new Siglent SDS1104X-E or should I go with the older RIGOL DS1054Z?

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Re: EEVblog #1042 - Siglent's $499 SDS1104X-E 4CH Oscilloscope Teardown
« Reply #53 on: December 03, 2017, 11:32:03 am »
I wan to to change my 2 channel DSO (OWON SDS7102v) with a 4 channels one + serial decoding. Would you suggest this new Siglent SDS1104X-E or should I go with the older RIGOL DS1054Z?

a) What do you use it for?

b) They're not in the same price range, so: How much money you got? For the price of the Siglent you could have a Rigol and a really good multimeter (...or an awsome soldering iron, or a proper power supply, etc.)

 

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Re: EEVblog #1042 - Siglent's $499 SDS1104X-E 4CH Oscilloscope Teardown
« Reply #54 on: December 03, 2017, 02:29:46 pm »
Quote from: Fungus link=topic=99318.msg1365310#msg1365310 d :=\ate=1512300723
I wan to to change my 2 channel DSO (OWON SDS7102v) with a 4 channels one + serial decoding. Would you suggest this new Siglent SDS1104X-E or should I go with the older RIGOL DS1054Z?

a) What do you use it for?

b) They're not in the same price range, so: How much money you got? For the price of the Siglent you could have a Rigol and a really good multimeter (...or an awsome soldering iron, or a proper power supply, etc.)

I use It for hobby projects most of them digital with SPI/i2c interface and for repairing audio equipement.

I allready have a solderind station, PSU (dp832) and waveform gen (dg1022z).

Budget 500€ more or less.

 

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Re: EEVblog #1042 - Siglent's $499 SDS1104X-E 4CH Oscilloscope Teardown
« Reply #55 on: December 03, 2017, 05:40:05 pm »
Budget 500€ more or less.

Seems to me like you already decided on the Siglent.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1042 - Siglent's $499 SDS1104X-E 4CH Oscilloscope Teardown
« Reply #56 on: December 04, 2017, 06:53:50 am »
I just love this episode. This one looks like very hackable. Very nice job Dave. Someone note anything weird with the audio?
 

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Re: EEVblog #1042 - Siglent's $499 SDS1104X-E 4CH Oscilloscope Teardown
« Reply #57 on: December 04, 2017, 07:41:25 am »
Budget 500€ more or less.

Seems to me like you already decided on the Siglent.

I do not know .. is it worth spending $ 150 extra?
 

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Re: EEVblog #1042 - Siglent's $499 SDS1104X-E 4CH Oscilloscope Teardown
« Reply #58 on: December 04, 2017, 08:22:38 am »
Budget 500€ more or less.

Seems to me like you already decided on the Siglent.

I do not know .. is it worth spending $ 150 extra?
Download and print both datasheets.
Then compare spec for spec and the opportunity to add options later that you may or not need.
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Re: EEVblog #1042 - Siglent's $499 SDS1104X-E 4CH Oscilloscope Teardown
« Reply #59 on: December 04, 2017, 09:07:07 am »
... Then - when you have come up with a sense of where the features and specifications are leading you - throw in the known, mature state of the Rigol firmware against the unknown state of the new release Siglent - and how responsive Siglent will be in addressing issues.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1042 - Siglent's $499 SDS1104X-E 4CH Oscilloscope Teardown
« Reply #60 on: December 04, 2017, 11:02:56 am »
... Then - when you have come up with a sense of where the features and specifications are leading you - throw in the known, mature state of the Rigol firmware against the unknown state of the new release Siglent - and how responsive Siglent will be in addressing issues.
I'd like to see a comprehensive review of the unit. There don't seem to be any out there. Little things like how the XY mode is performing should tell us a lot.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1042 - Siglent's $499 SDS1104X-E 4CH Oscilloscope Teardown
« Reply #61 on: December 04, 2017, 11:38:07 am »
I do not know .. is it worth spending $ 150 extra?
Download and print both datasheets.
Then compare spec for spec and the opportunity to add options later that you may or not need.

That won't help much. The specs aren't really very different. Is a tiny bit more X really worth $150? Does a tiny difference in Y equate to $150 of value in real life?

I don't think either will disappoint but the Siglent is a bit too new.

I'd like to see a comprehensive review of the unit. There don't seem to be any out there. Little things like how the XY mode is performing should tell us a lot.
So would lots of people but they simply don't exist yet.

The two channel model has been out for a while and apparently had a lot of bugs. Have they been fixed? We don't know and the few Siglent owners on here aren't telling. (What's up with that? Where's the endless threads dealing with those things?  :-// )
 

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Re: EEVblog #1042 - Siglent's $499 SDS1104X-E 4CH Oscilloscope Teardown
« Reply #62 on: December 04, 2017, 05:35:07 pm »
I do not know .. is it worth spending $ 150 extra?
Download and print both datasheets.
Then compare spec for spec and the opportunity to add options later that you may or not need.

That won't help much. The specs aren't really very different. Is a tiny bit more X really worth $150? Does a tiny difference in Y equate to $150 of value in real life?
What a load of one-eyed codswallop.  :P

See new comparison table:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds1204x-e-released-for-domestic-markets-in-china/msg1366057/#msg1366057
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Re: EEVblog #1042 - Siglent's $499 SDS1104X-E 4CH Oscilloscope Teardown
« Reply #63 on: December 04, 2017, 07:32:25 pm »
See new comparison table:

Jeez, talk about cherry picking and list-padding.  :scared:

a) How come there's no red ink on the Siglent side when the Rigol wins? (eg. "Price", "High res mode", etc.)  :-//

b) All those things marked as "optional" on the Rigol side are easily unlockable. Just enter a magic code and suddenly a load of red ink moves over to the Siglent side.

PS: No disclaimer about being a Siglent dealer when you post this stuff?
 

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Re: EEVblog #1042 - Siglent's $499 SDS1104X-E 4CH Oscilloscope Teardown
« Reply #64 on: December 04, 2017, 07:36:31 pm »
PS: No disclaimer about being a Siglent dealer when you post this stuff?
::)
You'd be best to have "show signatures" turned on in your profile.
Not to do so means you miss ALL the disclaimers that members show in each and every post.

FFS Get with it man !
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Re: EEVblog #1042 - Siglent's $499 SDS1104X-E 4CH Oscilloscope Teardown
« Reply #65 on: December 04, 2017, 09:05:43 pm »
See new comparison table:

Jeez, talk about cherry picking and list-padding.  :scared:

a) How come there's no red ink on the Siglent side when the Rigol wins? (eg. "Price", "High res mode", etc.)  :-//


Rigol "High-Res" is nothing but display "cleaner".

Show me data from Rigol Zbox where is produce more than 8 bit vertical data.

About price. Why color Rigol green because it is more cheap. It is very much too expensive if we look performance. Of course it is more cheap and with its performance it need be much more cheap.  They are like david and goljat without even any doupt. Totally.

But why you are so interested about it. Why you want all buy it. I do not at all want that all buy Siglent. Never.
I think you have your scope and many ways you have told you are happy with it. Your Rigol is now even better than time when you have purchased it. Be happy with it.
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Re: EEVblog #1042 - Siglent's $499 SDS1104X-E 4CH Oscilloscope Teardown
« Reply #66 on: December 05, 2017, 12:51:27 am »
Having just watched the Signal Path RTB2K review, I think we need a standard set of tests designed to show the effects of various compromises.  No instrument is the best in all respects except the one that doesn't exist.

Marketing and sales want everyone to believe otherwise.  Users want to know what will meet their needs.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1042 - Siglent's $499 SDS1104X-E 4CH Oscilloscope Teardown
« Reply #67 on: December 05, 2017, 04:13:07 pm »
Ordered just now the Siglent SDS1104X-E.. I have 30 days to try and return if I'll not satisfied.. in this case, I'll go with the rigol.

also ordered one 121GW.. happy christmas to me!! :D
 

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Re: EEVblog #1042 - Siglent's $499 SDS1104X-E 4CH Oscilloscope Teardown
« Reply #68 on: December 05, 2017, 05:22:34 pm »
Ordered just now the Siglent SDS1104X-E.. I have 30 days to try and return if I'll not satisfied.. in this case, I'll go with the rigol.

also ordered one 121GW.. happy christmas to me!! :D

Be sure to check that they included all the capacitors. If not, ask them to post the missing ones to you so you can solder them in by yourself.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1042 - Siglent's $499 SDS1104X-E 4CH Oscilloscope Teardown
« Reply #69 on: December 05, 2017, 07:48:40 pm »
Ordered just now the Siglent SDS1104X-E.. I have 30 days to try and return if I'll not satisfied.. in this case, I'll go with the rigol.

also ordered one 121GW.. happy christmas to me!! :D

Be sure to check that they included all the capacitors. If not, ask them to post the missing ones to you so you can solder them in by yourself.
Again rabbiting on about something you know F...all about.
All new production units have the compensation issue sorted including all four channel X-E model prior to release. Only the two channel models were ever affected.
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Re: EEVblog #1042 - Siglent's $499 SDS1104X-E 4CH Oscilloscope Teardown
« Reply #70 on: December 05, 2017, 08:50:53 pm »
Well there are a whole bunch of footprints without parts so you never know what will turn up at some point  >:D  :popcorn:
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Re: EEVblog #1042 - Siglent's $499 SDS1104X-E 4CH Oscilloscope Teardown
« Reply #71 on: December 19, 2017, 03:19:27 am »
Am I watching Siglent's dealer and Rigol's fighting here?
 

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Re: EEVblog #1042 - Siglent's $499 SDS1104X-E 4CH Oscilloscope Teardown
« Reply #72 on: December 19, 2017, 03:25:27 am »
Am I watching Siglent's dealer and Rigol's fighting here?
Basically, yeah, and some fanboys.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1042 - Siglent's $499 SDS1104X-E 4CH Oscilloscope Teardown
« Reply #73 on: January 21, 2018, 07:05:12 am »
So

* Any news on a shootout?
* Who here in Oz has the Siglent?
* Any discount for EEVblog folks?  ;D

 

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Re: EEVblog #1042 - Siglent's $499 SDS1104X-E 4CH Oscilloscope Teardown
« Reply #74 on: January 21, 2018, 07:16:37 am »
So

* Any news on a shootout?
* Who here in Oz has the Siglent?
* Any discount for EEVblog folks?  ;D
Trio are the master AU distributors with resellers dotted around the country.
Where to buy:
http://www.siglent.com/ENs/lxwms.aspx?id=616

There don't openly offer one on the forum so you'd have to look at whether the 6% that Saelig offer plus the shipping to OZ makes it worthwhile or just get one locally.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/equipment-discounts-from-saelig/
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