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EEVblog #1116 - TS100 vs TS80
« on: August 21, 2018, 01:52:22 am »

 
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Re: EEVblog #1116 - TS100 vs TS80
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2018, 02:18:47 am »
Nice seeing you with both, so many times you said you'd never touch one...

I guess a custom firmware could use the 65W and beat the TS80, the element will likely handle that fine, is just the controller not using 100% as the thermocouple reading is just wrong, and that's likely easy to correct in firmware.

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Re: EEVblog #1116 - TS100 vs TS80
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2018, 04:32:34 am »
I do not like short grip to tip distance. I like to keep my fingers away from the hot bits, and I like having good reach. A long tip is especially useful for getting between components.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1116 - TS100 vs TS80
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2018, 06:18:45 am »
I've posted an image below of how that wire stand is meant to work on the TS-100, these units are also sold in a kit with an aluminium case along with all the other available tips and some other accessories but it costs a fair bit more and most of the tips would probably never get used anyway.

According to the TS-80 specifications sheet from the Banggood site they indicate that more tips should be available in September, if they let the customer choose which tip they want from a drop down list then this could be enough to sway some people into buying one of these irons. 

I'm going to stick with our Weller Pyropens for the moment until something else turns up, these have served us well for many years and we do a lot of solder connections with heat shrink sleeves and the side vent on the tip is ideal for this. I could be tempted to go electric if they were to release a model with the form factor and efficiency of the TS-80 and the flexible power requirements of the TS-100, the best of both worlds.   
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Re: EEVblog #1116 - TS100 vs TS80
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2018, 06:27:10 am »
If you really are out in the feeld, most time a car, truck or other work-machine is within reach.
There's the needet 12V / 24V handy.

But to be clear.
I only have a cheap soldering station and some constant temperature rain pipe soldering iron.

The few instances, I needet a soldering iron in the fielt, I used a blow torch which heated a pice of thick copper wire.
(Which worked better then expected)

But if I had to solder in the field more often, I wouldn't use one of this USB-soldering iron.
I would get one of thegood brand replacement-holder and cuse one of the manny kits (like the one Dave gor in one of his last mail bag videos) to connect it to a drill batterie-pack, car batterie, or wathever is within reach.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1116 - TS100 vs TS80
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2018, 07:23:16 am »
Wow, the TS100 fanboys are going ape  :popcorn:
Most didn't even watch the video and just scream UNFAIR! because they thought I tested it at 12V only  :palm:
 
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Re: EEVblog #1116 - TS100 vs TS80
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2018, 07:45:42 am »
I believe TS100 accepts Hakko tips?

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Re: EEVblog #1116 - TS100 vs TS80
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2018, 07:53:03 am »
One bad thing with TS80 is that it relies on your battery bank that has to be with you. If that runs out you're out of luck. With TS100 you could easily just hack some other supply source (laptop charger, car battery etc.) to it and keep going. Good luck finding any QuickCharge3 devices in the field... TS80 should have a barrel jack input as well!
 

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Re: EEVblog #1116 - TS100 vs TS80
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2018, 07:53:54 am »
Wow, the comments and emails just won't stop on this one.
I'm seriously considering just deleting the video and maybe putting it on EEVblog2?
 

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Re: EEVblog #1116 - TS100 vs TS80
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2018, 07:55:06 am »
One bad thing with TS80 is that it relies on your battery bank that has to be with you. If that runs out you're out of luck. With TS100 you could easily just hack some other supply source (laptop charger, car battery etc.) to it and keep going. Good luck finding any QuickCharge3 devices in the field... TS80 should have a barrel jack input as well!

One bad thing with TS100 is that it relies on a random external supply that you have to have. If that is unavailable or runs out, you are out of luck.
See what I did their?  ;D
 

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Re: EEVblog #1116 - TS100 vs TS80
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2018, 08:07:23 am »
I'm done, video removed.
The comments and the rabid fan base for this thing are just unbelievable. People cannot even comprehend things I say  :palm:
I'll still be getting endless comments and email in 12 months time if I leave this up, I don't want to deal with that.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1116 - TS100 vs TS80
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2018, 08:17:02 am »
Is there a dongle that would emulate a QC 3.0 pack and allow any power supply to be used with the TS80?
 
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Re: EEVblog #1116 - TS100 vs TS80
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2018, 08:20:54 am »
What was the bad comments about?

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Re: EEVblog #1116 - TS100 vs TS80
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2018, 08:26:08 am »
One bad thing with TS100 is that it relies on a random external supply that you have to have. If that is unavailable or runs out, you are out of luck.
See what I did their?  ;D
Fair enough :D With TS100 you would be hacking your supply a lot more often but my point was that at least there is such a possibility.
I'm actually trying to figure out which iron to buy. They both have their advantages and disadvantages. Maybe i should wait for TS90 that has good parts from both worlds (Decent case and tips and dual input jacks)
 

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Re: EEVblog #1116 - TS100 vs TS80
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2018, 08:31:55 am »
Is there a dongle that would emulate a QC 3.0 pack and allow any power supply to be used with the TS80?
Couldn't find any special devices but i'm pretty sure you could just modify some random QuickCharge3.0 car charger to accomplish that. Car chargers usually have wide input range anyway (10-24v)
 

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Re: EEVblog #1116 - TS100 vs TS80
« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2018, 08:42:16 am »
I'm actually trying to figure out which iron to buy. They both have their advantages and disadvantages.

Correct.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1116 - TS100 vs TS80
« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2018, 08:48:02 am »
hello sir!

did you post it in eevblog2 or not because i can not find it there??????
 

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Re: EEVblog #1116 - TS100 vs TS80
« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2018, 09:00:37 am »
 :scared:
It's even been pulled from the Supporters lounge.  :-//
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Re: EEVblog #1116 - TS100 vs TS80
« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2018, 09:09:55 am »
What a shame, I was lucky enough to at least get in early and see the video before it got pulled. What sort of vitriol was being spilt over the comments then?
Shame on you Dave, how dare you not like what they like!
 

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Re: EEVblog #1116 - TS100 vs TS80
« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2018, 09:30:15 am »
Maybe some of the more annoyed will come over here and demand that you delete their account.

That'd be entertaining.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1116 - TS100 vs TS80
« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2018, 09:58:18 am »
Only a few :palm: in your video, like suggesting you were supposed to bend the stand (it just clips on as it is), not inserting the tip entirely when comparing lengths and removing the screw as to drop it (it only takes 1-2 turns to loosen the tip, and a tip that rotates is far more infuriating than a screw). Negative and dismissing attitude from the start.

Powering it from 12V is also a mistake (its lowest setting), or not troubleshooting/investigating why the power draw was so low (mine draws 1.7-2.1 A @ 19V when loading it. Didn't see a current limit on either, so  :-//).

Still think the TS80 is very impressive, I'll consider it once it has a proper tips to select from (for SMD).

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Re: EEVblog #1116 - TS100 vs TS80
« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2018, 10:16:56 am »
What a shame, I was lucky enough to at least get in early and see the video before it got pulled. What sort of vitriol was being spilt over the comments then?
Shame on you Dave, how dare you not like what they like!

It basically came down to that.
The TS100 has a massive installed base of fanboys that have been pestering me for a year now to basically validate their purchase for them.
When they got a video that showed that the TS80 had better performance, and that the TS100 wasn't absolute magic, they got a tad upset.

Some had a point that it was a poor "review", and I kinda agree, except that it wasn't supposed to be an in-depth review, it was just a quick comparison with the TS80 because people had asked for that. I made do with the tip I had available borrowed from David2. I actually debated releasing it on EEVblog2 initially, but I can't do that now because they'll just attack it there too.

Someone on Twitter suggested I charge a buck for it and put it on Vimeo on demand  >:D
 

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Re: EEVblog #1116 - TS100 vs TS80
« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2018, 10:19:34 am »
Powering it from 12V is also a mistake (its lowest setting)

 |O here we go again. If you watched the video you know very well that I also did a test powered from 24V
 

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Re: EEVblog #1116 - TS100 vs TS80
« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2018, 10:20:56 am »
:scared:
It's even been pulled from the Supporters lounge.  :-//

People have the link, so I can't just make it Unlisted. I'd have to re-upload to make available to supporters.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1116 - TS100 vs TS80
« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2018, 10:25:31 am »
Only a few :palm: in your video, like suggesting you were supposed to bend the stand (it just clips on as it is), not inserting the tip entirely when comparing lengths and removing the screw as to drop it (it only takes 1-2 turns to loosen the tip, and a tip that rotates is far more infuriating than a screw). Negative and dismissing attitude from the start.

I admit I got the tip length wrong, but the point is still valid.
And the screw thing is something that could very well happen in the field.
This was done in my usual unboxing/first use style because it wasn't supposed to be a proper in-depth review video.
It's only "negative and dismissing" because you want to view it that way, I had no such intention. If the TS100 performed better than the TS80 I would have highlighted that and said so. But it didn't, and I stand by my comparison barring using a bigger tip, as the tip is what I had at the time.
 


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