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Re: EEVblog #112 – GSM vs The Fluke 87V Multimeter
« Reply #75 on: October 03, 2010, 06:40:40 pm »
But you are not fluent in English and have not lived in an English speaking culture, I am fluent in both languages and have spent half my life in each area.

Yes but you haven't speak with the chef of the Scotland yard as i did ...  :P

He invited me for a drink , that actually become two ..
 

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Re: EEVblog #112 – GSM vs The Fluke 87V Multimeter
« Reply #76 on: October 03, 2010, 06:42:15 pm »
see now your just showing off  ;D it's irrelevant to the point ::)
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Re: EEVblog #112 – GSM vs The Fluke 87V Multimeter
« Reply #77 on: October 03, 2010, 06:46:20 pm »
see now your just showing off  ;D it's irrelevant to the point ::)

Its just the truth ... and that's is all .
I am an very social person , and my proof is that there is very few from the European union ,
be active like me , in this forum.
 

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Re: EEVblog #112 – GSM vs The Fluke 87V Multimeter
« Reply #78 on: October 03, 2010, 06:53:39 pm »
I am active on here, quality is more important than quantity but as you mention activity I believe I'm the top poster here (not that I've checked)

Anyway I met a rock star so there....  :P
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Re: EEVblog #112 – GSM vs The Fluke 87V Multimeter
« Reply #79 on: October 03, 2010, 07:06:33 pm »
I am active on here, quality is more important than quantity but as you mention activity I believe I'm the top poster here (not that I've checked)

Anyway I met a rock star so there....  :P




Because you are an person with an so positive style , if I see you on the road with flat wheel ,
I will stop to give you a hand ...   ;D

(now its time to start savings for a car )  ;)

And I stop here , I do not wish to see Dave  not stopping  and help my flat wheel, in the future.  :D
 
  
 

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Re: EEVblog #112 – GSM vs The Fluke 87V Multimeter
« Reply #80 on: October 03, 2010, 08:48:31 pm »
I just want to quickly state my intention of the video I made and I won’t say any more.

First of as you can probably guess I don’t own all of those meters. I’ve to borrow some of them from friends. Of course they asked what I was going to do with them as they know I’ve good meters. I’ve to tell them the true as they might see my video someday. Yes, I’m going to do GSM testing on them could potentially brick! I got some shock faces. But because I’m their good friends and know that I’ll responsible for what I have done. So they let me borrowed those meters.

My intention is to warn and educated those who are in market of buying Fluke and the ones who own them. Just something I felt like giving back to this community. Because of that it is hurt when someone talking trash. Yes, I’m a sensitive guy. This is because mostly I deal with professional.

All I’m asking is to be nice to those that are truly intent to give to this community. Otherwise pretty soon you’ll have none.
 

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Re: EEVblog #112 – GSM vs The Fluke 87V Multimeter
« Reply #81 on: October 03, 2010, 11:11:21 pm »
I made a quick GSM testing video for the following models. See it yourself! NOTE: I'm using iPhone4 with GSM (NO 3G) and wifi connections is on. The phone is on call for entire video. Sometime you see the blank screen, but sill on call.

- Fluke 83
- Fluke 83V
- Fluke 87
- Fluke 87III
- Fluke 87IV
- Fluke 87V
- Fluke 87V EX

Nice confirmation, thanks semaphore!

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Re: EEVblog #112 – GSM vs The Fluke 87V Multimeter
« Reply #82 on: October 04, 2010, 02:17:07 am »
Nice confirmation, thanks semaphore!
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Re: EEVblog #112 – GSM vs The Fluke 87V Multimeter
« Reply #83 on: October 05, 2010, 08:01:59 pm »
Status report : Tuesday 5  11:00 pm local.  

After all this weeks , finally got the email  from Athens , saying .... Fluke had send for you one 87-5 and one 28II  , and they are ready to be send to you ..
Which one do you like to get ?  

And I had reply .... The heaviest !!   :D   :D   :D  

(At Thursday we have unpacking )  ;)  ( 34 hours to get there )
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Re: EEVblog #112 – GSM vs The Fluke 87V Multimeter
« Reply #84 on: October 06, 2010, 05:14:14 am »
Status report : Tuesday 5  11:00 pm local.  

After all this weeks , finally got the email  from Athens , saying .... Fluke had send for you one 87-5 and one 28II  , and they are ready to be send to you ..
Which one do you like to get ?  

The correct answer is "both, thank you Sir".

If you can stand the extra size/weight, the 28-II is a much better meter in all respects than the 87-V

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Re: EEVblog #112 – GSM vs The Fluke 87V Multimeter
« Reply #85 on: October 06, 2010, 03:48:05 pm »
Status report : Tuesday 5  11:00 pm local.  

After all this weeks , finally got the email  from Athens , saying .... Fluke had send for you one 87-5 and one 28II  , and they are ready to be send to you ..
Which one do you like to get ?  

The correct answer is "both, thank you Sir".

Dave.

I was more modest  ;D  , and asked an pair of Fuses in the name of good will .  
I do not think that I will ever get them , but hope dies last..
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Re: EEVblog #112 – GSM vs The Fluke 87V Multimeter
« Reply #86 on: October 06, 2010, 04:42:06 pm »
I bet you get the fuses
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Re: EEVblog #112 – GSM vs The Fluke 87V Multimeter
« Reply #87 on: October 07, 2010, 10:17:26 am »
I bet you get the fuses

You lost the bet !!   and I payed plus 12EUR because also and  the return shipping ,was charged on me !!  
This is the reason of why some small  distributors , will keep to be small for all their life ..
There is no need to say that I was never informed about that .. or that it was even shipped ..

The good part ...
I did some testing looks ok , no GSM issues , fits in my aftermarket tool case  ;)

I liked the beeper allot , the back light is not that powerful (probably due the AA lower voltage 4.5V VS 9V)
Right now I am teaching it to speak Greek ..  ;D


 

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Re: EEVblog #112 – GSM vs The Fluke 87V Multimeter
« Reply #88 on: October 07, 2010, 10:20:37 am »
Good to see Fluke came through!

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Re: EEVblog #112 – GSM vs The Fluke 87V Multimeter
« Reply #89 on: October 07, 2010, 11:47:17 am »
Yes the American Fluke did their best , I recognize this and with proofs ...
They had send the specific 28II  from USA to Fluke Europe ... just for me .
This DMM got packaged in the box before two weeks !!  or less ..  
(15/9/2010 )    and today we have 7/10/2010 ..  ten days was traveling around, so its just 10 days old from the production line to the end customer .  :D


Well I like to thanks you Dave publicly for once more time , for all the help .
About calling your neighbors  :D  Fluke Australia ..

I also need to thanks  the Senior Support Engineer at Fluke Everett Washington ,
he is a man that you can speak freely for anything, and this is because he is an technician too,
so there is an common base and language , about understanding .
( I will contact him and personally by email)  

That's it .. I got an happy end , and now what stays for all of you , are the gathered information.
Use it wisely and protect your 87-5 from high expose to GSM .
If I did not had bricked my , this is what I would do too ...

I would look after it and for the GSM issue , as I was look after it, so to not drop down , or keeping the screen safe from scratches .... and all this common babysit that we do at anything expensive.

Good luck to all  Kiriakos ..  :)



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Re: EEVblog #112 – GSM vs The Fluke 87V Multimeter
« Reply #90 on: October 07, 2010, 11:57:23 am »
15/9/10 manufacture?
Subtract the time it took to get to you, and this sucker must have been manufactured and packaged by elves (or oompa loompa's)!

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Re: EEVblog #112 – GSM vs The Fluke 87V Multimeter
« Reply #91 on: December 19, 2010, 12:41:40 am »
Update ..

Got an email today , from the Senior Support Engineer at Fluke Everett Washington.

He visited this thread before few hours ,  and read my comment,
about the fact that I asked few Fuses as an minimum compensation from the Greek retailer,
and that I got none ..  

He told me , that he will send me as gift , some of them  ..  
( An Christmas gift from Fluke )  

Well, I will say just an typical Thanks .. because I can not find the proper words to express my feelings.

It is not the material that matters,  it is the jester that counts above everything.

And so dear friend at FLUKE  ( after 24  exchanged emails we had become so ),
I will say that in FLUKE,  they must be proud mostly , of having such people like you, working for them.
    

Merry Christmas , happy holidays,  and I wish in the 2011, all your dreams to become reality.  :)








  


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Re: EEVblog #112 – GSM vs The Fluke 87V Multimeter
« Reply #92 on: December 22, 2010, 08:41:31 am »
Kiriakos scammed Fluke!!!

he purchased his Fluke 87V on Ebay as used... he was not the original owner. He should not have received a brand new 28II as replacement.

Update ..

Got an email today , from the Senior Support Engineer at Fluke Everett Washington.

He visited this thread before few hours ,  and read my comment,
about the fact that I asked few Fuses as an minimum compensation from the Greek retailer,
and that I got none ..  

He told me , that he will send me as gift , some of them  ..  
( An Christmas gift from Fluke )  

Well, I will say just an typical Thanks .. because I can not find the proper words to express my feelings.

It is not the material that matters,  it is the jester that counts above everything.

And so dear friend at FLUKE  ( after 24  exchanged emails we had become so ),
I will say that in FLUKE,  they must be proud mostly , of having such people like you, working for them.
    

Merry Christmas , happy holidays,  and I wish in the 2011, all your dreams to become reality.  :)








  



 

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Re: EEVblog #112 – GSM vs The Fluke 87V Multimeter
« Reply #93 on: December 22, 2010, 10:42:54 am »
And the purpose of your post was ?

Fluke appear to have a design issue with one of their pieces of current equipment. It is absolutely no surprise that they wish to investigate what could be a design flaw and are keen to adeqautely respond to a users problem. That is the definition of a quality manufacturer. Whether the unit was new, used or the original owner is imaterial when investigating potential design flaws.

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Re: EEVblog #112 – GSM vs The Fluke 87V Multimeter
« Reply #94 on: December 22, 2010, 11:32:17 am »
Kiriakos scammed Fluke!!!

No, he did them a HUGE favor by discovering this problem, and they know it.
They should have given him 10 new meters!

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Re: EEVblog #112 – GSM vs The Fluke 87V Multimeter
« Reply #95 on: December 22, 2010, 12:07:50 pm »
I will only say this ... 

1) Fluke never asked from me, any documents about the purchased meter.
And so i was unable to cheat, even if I had plan it . 

2) My first thinking , after the damage, was to pay and fix it.
And I did nag about it , because there was some large fixed costs involved.

3) The fast reaction of Dave , by pulling the right strings ,  activated Fluke ,
and then what they did , its their business.

4) I will post the last email , from Fluke , that ends with one description ,
that will cause silence , to any one who acts in bad faith.   :)


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Re: EEVblog #112 – GSM vs The Fluke 87V Multimeter
« Reply #96 on: December 30, 2010, 11:47:34 am »
Yesterday I received the fuses ( 29 Dec ) , they kept their promise ..  :)  

In return , I offered them my idea , that is also published here.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=455.0

Its good to have friends internationally, and its the less that I can say about such a story.

Happy New year to all  ( 2011 ) .


 
 
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Re: EEVblog #112 – GSM vs The Fluke 87V Multimeter
« Reply #97 on: March 21, 2011, 09:47:43 pm »
I'm still waiting for Fluke to issue a solution to this problem.......... It's great that they replaced Kiriakos's failed unit promptly with one that doesn't suffer from this weakness, but there's a hugh number of 87V's out there that still have this weakness, and there does not seem to be a followup to this problem from Fluke. I'd be happy with a self installed shield update or perhaps a recall, but just leaving it without any official acknowledgment of the problem is.... well..... annoying to me.

To be honest, I've got a brand new 87V on the way as I feel it's still a great DMM and I'll just make sure it's not close to a GSM phone, but it's a pain to have to remember such when even cheapo DMM's are not vulnerable to this problem. So FLUKE, suck it up and give us a FIX for this!

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Re: EEVblog #112 – GSM vs The Fluke 87V Multimeter
« Reply #98 on: March 22, 2011, 07:11:03 pm »
Hello @kaptain_zero I do understand your feelings , but it is not justified such passion,
especially when your DMM it is still healthy and not damaged.  :)

Logically any one with active warranty has nothing to fear,
Fluke are aware thanks to all of us, and every similar event it will be covered by warranty.
I am the living proof.

The idea of the shield, it was an idea of one forum member,
and it is just a local theory.

You do well to protect your DMM, this is what I advice also and many Greeks too,
and some of them they got an 87V even after getting informed about the GSM issue.

The most outrageous would be , the scenario that Fluke was aware of the sensitivity of the 87V,
and that they have shown denial so to recognize it as their fault, so to cover it by the warranty.
But this does not happens, at list until now.
And so there is no reason , for such bursts of passion.   ;)


I am not Fluke , and I just write down what had happened so far.

 

 




 


 
 

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Re: EEVblog #112 – GSM vs The Fluke 87V Multimeter
« Reply #99 on: March 22, 2011, 07:35:48 pm »
Kiriakos,

I'm tempted to agree with you to a point, thus my actually ordering a new 87V as I know it will suit my needs well. But, your point that "any one with active warranty has nothing to fear" is not actually valid. After all, if you or I rely on this DMM for earning a living, having it fail from a cause, now well known, but not corrected by the manufacturer, means I may have to send my now non working meter away and wait for it to be repaired. If I do not have additional DMM's to fill in for the 87V while it's being repaired, I may have difficulty in performing my work. Additionally, if it is simply repaired, it is still vulnerable to failing from the same issue again. Considering even cheap Chinese meters do not have this "issue", it really is something a top notch manufacturer such as Fluke, should address and promptly at that.

As an example, a car company that offers a rock solid warranty on their cars is of little value to an owner who finds him/herself having to take the car in for warranty repairs time and time again....  Once an auto manufacturer finds a weakness in a design, they engineer a fix that will avoid these problems in the future, saving their customers from enduring these unnecessary repairs.

Perhaps your 87V's failure was a fluke (uhh.... pun not intended, but there it is.....) but the susceptibility is clearly documented by Dave in his video blog.

Regards

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Hello @kaptain_zero I do understand your feelings , but it is not justified such passion,
especially when your DMM it is still healthy and not damaged.  :)

Logically any one with active warranty has nothing to fear,
 


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