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Re: EEVblog #1160 - Weller Responds
« Reply #575 on: January 02, 2019, 11:32:06 pm »
You could ask your countless competitors that have a fuse in them why they did it.  :)
 

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Re: EEVblog #1160 - Weller Responds
« Reply #576 on: January 02, 2019, 11:39:56 pm »
You could ask your countless competitors that have a fuse in them why they did it.  :)
That'd be interesting, but not as interesting as knowing why they didn't. "Because everyone else does it" is a terrible line of reasoning, even if it's legally sensible.
 
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Re: EEVblog #1160 - Weller Responds
« Reply #577 on: January 02, 2019, 11:41:45 pm »

I still feel like I can put this device on my bench and use it without worry. This video proves nothing.


I'm with you bro  :-+

I'm happy to put this device on my bench too, and use it without worry, 
only after I mod it with fusing and a temp cutout,
and then hook it up to a source of 120 volts AC.   :clap:

This video proves you can't assume a reputable manufacturer gets it right all the time.  :palm:
 
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Re: EEVblog #1160 - Weller Responds
« Reply #578 on: January 02, 2019, 11:44:43 pm »
You could ask your countless competitors that have a fuse in them why they did it.  :)
That'd be interesting, but not as interesting as knowing why they didn't. "Because everyone else does it" is a terrible line of reasoning, even if it's legally sensible.
Then I propose a new Weller Ad Slogan: "The ones without a fuse ! Fused devices are for sissies !".  >:D
 

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Re: EEVblog #1160 - Weller Responds
« Reply #579 on: January 02, 2019, 11:53:10 pm »
I'm happy to put this device on my bench too, and use it without worry, 
only after I mod it with fusing and a temp cutout,
and then hook it up to a source of 120 volts AC.   :clap:
I wouldn't. If Weller decided to save on safety features, what else have they saved on?

I took a serious look at Weller a year ago when I bought a new soldering station. I'm happy to say I bought a station from someone else (and as it isn't a Weller it is fused).
 
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Re: EEVblog #1160 - Weller Responds
« Reply #580 on: January 03, 2019, 12:06:07 am »

Here we go, I just saved Weller millions of dollars/euros of R+D work for their future models

and FREE retro-fit of current 120 volt ones   :clap:

I'll kit out my bench with some of them, once they post out the "thanks a bunch dude" royalty cheques   8)


 
 

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Re: EEVblog #1160 - Weller Responds
« Reply #581 on: January 03, 2019, 12:06:41 am »
Then I propose a new Weller Ad Slogan: "The ones without a fuse ! Fused devices are for sissies !".  >:D
Maybe Chinese knock-off stations are more your thing. More blind copying and less original engineering. >:D
 

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Re: EEVblog #1160 - Weller Responds
« Reply #582 on: January 03, 2019, 12:08:35 am »
I found only *one* explicable reason to leave out the fuse : greed.
Just one eh. Maybe you need to think on it some more.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1160 - Weller Responds
« Reply #583 on: January 03, 2019, 12:13:03 am »
so all he had to do was 'DOH...!'

Are you intentionally ignoring the obvious? How often does one plugin appliances into the wrong voltage?

Had it been left unattended and caught fire in a business complex,
Is exaggeration and scaremongering your only argument?

 

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Re: EEVblog #1160 - Weller Responds
« Reply #584 on: January 03, 2019, 12:15:50 am »
This video proves you can't assume a reputable manufacturer gets it right all the time.  :palm:
uh huh... because you said so?
 

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Re: EEVblog #1160 - Weller Responds
« Reply #585 on: January 03, 2019, 12:16:31 am »
Then I propose a new Weller Ad Slogan: "The ones without a fuse ! Fused devices are for sissies !".  >:D
Maybe Chinese knock-off stations are more your thing. More blind copying and less original engineering. >:D
Agreed. Leaving out a fuse *is* highly original. I use a XyTronics (not really cheap, and it has a fuse). No smoke so far.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1160 - Weller Responds
« Reply #586 on: January 03, 2019, 12:17:47 am »
once they post out the "thanks a bunch dude" royalty cheques   8)
Let us know how it goes. Better yet, go design and sell millions of stations and I'll eat my hat.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1160 - Weller Responds
« Reply #587 on: January 03, 2019, 12:17:53 am »
I found only *one* explicable reason to leave out the fuse : greed.
Just one eh. Maybe you need to think on it some more.

No. Its *your* turn to prove that Wellers decision was not silly. The audience is waiting ...
 

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Re: EEVblog #1160 - Weller Responds
« Reply #588 on: January 03, 2019, 12:19:25 am »
Are you intentionally ignoring the obvious? How often does one plugin appliances into the wrong voltage?

Is exaggeration and scaremongering your only argument?
You have to wonder why there's a need to constantly field gross exaggerations when it's such an open-and-shut case.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1160 - Weller Responds
« Reply #589 on: January 03, 2019, 12:22:18 am »
No. Its *your* turn to prove that Wellers decision was not silly. The audience is waiting ...
Thanks for cutting to the chase. It's actually exactly the other way around. The claim is that Weller is doing something incredibly silly or reckless or dangerous. We're get to be presented with any solid evidence for this claim, even though it's reportedly glaringly obvious. Please do so. The audience is waiting. Note that "others do it differently" isn't enough.
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Re: EEVblog #1160 - Weller Responds
« Reply #590 on: January 03, 2019, 12:22:29 am »
No. Its *your* turn to prove that Wellers decision was not silly. The audience is waiting ...
What gave you that idea? I don't represent Weller. It seems they are doing OK without my help.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1160 - Weller Responds
« Reply #591 on: January 03, 2019, 12:28:27 am »


so all he had to do was 'DOH...!'

Are you intentionally ignoring the obvious? How often does one plugin appliances into the wrong voltage?

Reply: not too difficult to do with an appliance fitted with a standard 120/240 IEC socket...   :clap:




Had it been left unattended and caught fire in a business complex,
Is exaggeration and scaremongering your only argument?

Reply: No chance, but do get into the possibility scenario thing occasionally    :popcorn:
 
 

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Re: EEVblog #1160 - Weller Responds
« Reply #592 on: January 03, 2019, 12:31:15 am »
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Re: EEVblog #1160 - Weller Responds
« Reply #593 on: January 03, 2019, 12:34:00 am »
Reply: not too difficult to do with an appliance fitted with a standard 120/240 IEC socket...   :clap:
So how many times has it happened to you?

Reply: No chance, but do get into the possibility scenario thing occasionally    :popcorn:
Ah the "what if" game. That's a fun one.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1160 - Weller Responds
« Reply #594 on: January 03, 2019, 12:39:27 am »

Might be time to end this alleged witch hunt with a voting poll perhaps ?   

and let the 120 volt users have a concerned vote/say about it 

seeing as they have to wear the fuse-less unit...fingers crossed :scared:

 :D

 

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Re: EEVblog #1160 - Weller Responds
« Reply #595 on: January 03, 2019, 12:48:52 am »
My god yes! A popularity contest! Why didn't I think of that. Surely that will prove once and for all who is right and who is wrong, because that will definitely happen.
 ::)
 
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Re: EEVblog #1160 - Weller Responds
« Reply #596 on: January 03, 2019, 12:58:46 am »

Might be time to end this alleged witch hunt with a voting poll perhaps ?   

and let the 120 volt users have a concerned vote/say about it 

seeing as they have to wear the fuse-less unit...fingers crossed :scared:

 :D



Link ?
 

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Re: EEVblog #1160 - Weller Responds
« Reply #597 on: January 03, 2019, 01:05:06 am »
My god yes! A popularity contest! Why didn't I think of that. Surely that will prove once and for all who is right and who is wrong, because that will definitely happen.
 ::)
Everyone knows that engineering is about a popular vote. ;D Don't forget to include laymen!
 

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Re: EEVblog #1160 - Weller Responds
« Reply #598 on: January 03, 2019, 01:06:26 am »
If pros can build equipment without fuses, why should'nt laymen vote ?
 

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Re: EEVblog #1160 - Weller Responds
« Reply #599 on: January 03, 2019, 01:08:57 am »
If pros can build equipment without fuses, why should'nt laymen vote ?
You ask the passengers how to fly the aircraft?
 


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