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Re: EEVBlog #1103 - Omicron Labs Bode 100 Review & Experiments
« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2018, 05:29:29 am »
Mouser and Vishay singing audiophile praise to MELF resistors, with the familiar "no distortion" thingie.
 
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High-end audiophiles want their analog-to-digital converters (ADC) and digital-to-analog converters (DAC) and amplifiers to exhibit the lowest noise possible and be ultra-stable. MELFs delight audiophiles because they deliver low noise performance, uniform component design, excellent stability and precision, and best of all, they provide nearly ideal resistor performance – introducing essentially no discernable signal distortion to pass through.

https://www.mouser.com/blog/reating-a-sound-people-cant-resist-melf-resistors
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Re: EEVBlog #1103 - Omicron Labs Bode 100 Review & Experiments
« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2018, 07:56:37 am »
Form the color code those resistor seem the be 5.1 K and 1 K with 0.1% tolerance. They might be used for there low tolerance, maybe in a kind of differential amplifier between the AD834 mixer and the ADC.

Compared to smaller SMD resistors the MILF form factor might offer a slightly better excess noise because more resistive material is used, though I doubt this would be a factor here.
 

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Re: EEVBlog #1103 - Omicron Labs Bode 100 Review & Experiments
« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2018, 11:56:57 am »
There are 0.1% low thermal PPM SMD resistors, you do not have to use MELF ones .
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Re: EEVBlog #1103 - Omicron Labs Bode 100 Review & Experiments
« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2018, 04:57:28 pm »
"MELF Resistors - The World’s Most Reliable and Predictable, High-Performing Film Resistors"
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Long-term  stability results in a superior maximum resistance change (ΔR/R) of 0.05  %  after  8000  h  operation  for  high  precision  MELF resistors.

If MELF does indeed have superior long term stability, maybe that was a deciding factor for them.
 

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Re: EEVBlog #1103 - Omicron Labs Bode 100 Review & Experiments
« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2018, 05:37:10 pm »
Yes i was also thinking about better aging characteristics as a possible reason
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Re: EEVBlog #1103 - Omicron Labs Bode 100 Review & Experiments
« Reply #30 on: July 17, 2018, 04:20:17 pm »
Given the target customer for their gear, Omicron was very brave to give this unit for an Eevblog review!

They intimated exactly this in their recent newsletter:
"...And this is the moment when you have to take risks. Risks like sending a Bode 100 to Dave at EEVblog."

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Re: EEVBlog #1103 - Omicron Labs Bode 100 Review & Experiments
« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2018, 01:46:44 am »
The isolation transformer seems to use a regular Hammond type aluminum cast enclosure. Perhaps $8 a piece or something. The main unit seems to use a standard enclosure as well. Nothing against it in terms of performance but I'd think for the selling price something custom could be made to stand out better.

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now I have the opportunity to test the B-WIT100 and a functionally equivalent homebrew transformer on a Bode 100 and on the sharpest knife of LF VNAs, a Keysight E5061B-3L5 (35k$, 5Hz to 3GHz). A few € wont do the job, but with about 70€ you can homebrew something decent:

https://electronicprojectsforfun.wordpress.com/injection-transformers/

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Re: EEVBlog #1103 - Omicron Labs Bode 100 Review & Experiments
« Reply #32 on: October 06, 2018, 09:25:58 pm »
The VAC T60006-L2030-W514 core appears to be something exotic, $30 Canuck bucks here at Mouser plus shipping, i will probably pass.
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Re: EEVBlog #1103 - Omicron Labs Bode 100 Review & Experiments
« Reply #33 on: October 06, 2018, 09:37:11 pm »
I picked up a T60006-L2030-W423 from the Mouse for about 1/3 that much. I want to play around with a 2:1 winding.
 

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Re: EEVBlog #1103 - Omicron Labs Bode 100 Review & Experiments
« Reply #34 on: October 06, 2018, 09:51:51 pm »
The VAC T60006-L2030-W514 core appears to be something exotic, $30 Canuck bucks here at Mouser plus shipping, i will probably pass.

I picked up a T60006-L2030-W423 from the Mouse for about 1/3 that much. I want to play around with a 2:1 winding.


Please tell me about the results. My prediction is:
Als long the coupling inductance is in the range of 200mH and strays are low (less than 1uH) results will be comparable. A look at Omirons SPICE model gives you some idea:

* BWIT 100 WIDEBAND INJECTION TRANSFORMER MODEL
* CREATED BY OMICRON Lab ON APRIL 7, 2011
* VERSION 1.0
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* CONNECTIONS: PRIMARY SIDE SIGNAL
*     
| PRIMARY SIDE GROUND
*              | | ISOLATED OUTPUT 1
*              | | | ISOLATED OUTPUT 2
*              | | | |
*              | | | |
.SUBCKT BWIT   1 2 3 4
* CAPACITORS
CPRI 1 2 14e-12
CPRISEC 1 3 85e-12
CSEC 3 4 14e-12
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RESISTORS
RPRI 1 5 0.36
RCORE 6 2 35e3
RSEC 8 3 0.362
* INDUCTANCES
LLEAKPRI 5 6 0.85e-6
LLEAKSEC 7 8 0.85e-6
LMAG 6 2 199e-3
* IDEAL 1TO1 TRANSFORMER
E 9 4 6 2 1
F 6 2 VM 1
VM 9 7
.ENDS BWIT

Probably a lot of similar cores with the same material would do.
 

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Re: EEVBlog #1103 - Omicron Labs Bode 100 Review & Experiments
« Reply #35 on: October 15, 2019, 02:53:43 pm »
I realise the Analog Discovery has nowhere near the breadth of capability the Omicron has but it would be interesting to see a few comparisons.

Does the Analog Discovery FRA give comparable results, at least within it's comfort zone?
Could not compare Analog Discovery (=AD) FRA's performance directly against any of those kilo-$ FRAs like Omicron or Venable. It would be interesting to know if anyone has a chance to test it.
But I tried AD to measure Gain-Phase response of a very noisy DIY AC-DC swithcing PSU. The DUT PSU had a high enough conducted EMI level so all my attempts to measure it's frequency responce with USB PC scope-based FRAs failed.   
Surprisingly, AD was the ONLY device among other low-cost FRAs that gave a well-defined FRA responce of DUT PSU.
 


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