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EEVblog #1227 - The Free Energy Community RESPONDS!
« on: July 09, 2019, 01:53:27 am »
The Free Energy Community responds to Dave's #708 - Free Energy Overunity BULLSHIT! video!
Dave and Sagan read a Mailbag letter from a Free Energy aficionado!


 

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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2019, 02:12:01 am »
The problem here is mostly miscommunication.
When a scientist says "free energy is impossible/BS" they often don't also include "within our current understanding"  because to them this is obvious and doesn't need saying. 

The miscommunication happens when people hear it and think the scientist is stating "Free energy is impossible" as a fact in perpetuity .
This gets under peoples skin as it comes across as very arrogant when that was not the intention.

It is made worse by a small number of scientists who 'do' actually state as fact in perpetuity that "free energy is fake/impossible".
To me if a scientist does this then they are not really a true scientist
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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2019, 02:33:10 am »
Not to mention that we really know what the thing known as "energy" really is. 8)
Do we ?
 

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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2019, 06:56:45 am »
If the free energy device makers want to prove Dave wrong, they should send him their devices into the mailbag. Given the amount of measurement gear he has, it should be a whoppin success at marketing when Dave, a respected engineer, demonstrates and measures over-unity.
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2019, 08:20:52 am »
The fact that you can define a region in space and claim it contains energy is not a surprise and is not in dispute.  It certainly does contain energy - and yes, I will let you include vacuum energy in this consideration.

BUT - there is one tiny question ... How do you access it?

 

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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2019, 09:05:18 am »
TLDR version:

The Scientific Method has four steps, not just one.

1) Observation
2) Theory to explain that observation
3) Prediction
4) Experiment

The over-unity people have no observations. Nowhere in the universe can we see energy appearing from nothing so any theories they claim to have are pure speculation (AKA "daydreams").

Making predictions based on daydreams is silly.

Result: They're all stuck in a loop on step (4).

(...trying desperately to create step (1) out of thin air)
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2019, 09:07:09 am »
The problem here is mostly miss-communication.
When a scientist says "free energy is impossible/BS" they often don't also include "within our current understanding"  because to them this is obvious and doesn't need saying. 

The miscommunication happens when people hear it and think the scientist is stating "Free energy is impossible"

Strongly disagree.

The problem is that the people making these devices are incapable of comprehending how much real physicists actually know about the universe and how delicately they've measured things these days.

eg. How can anybody google some pictures of (eg.) the Large Hadron Collider or read about LIGO then go out to their sheds and start wrapping transformer wire around sticks while muttering under their breath that the people who built those things are closed-minded idiots.

The "idiots" are well aware that there's harvestable energy all around us. The problem is that they're also aware of where it comes from, how much is available, and how it's completely useless as a practical source of power (ie. there's not enough of it).

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b) No self-respecting scientist (or engineer) would categorically say it's "impossible", only that it's "very unlikely" (and that no experiment done so far has shown the tiniest hint that it might be possible).
 
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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2019, 09:12:17 am »
If the free energy device makers want to prove Dave wrong, they should send him their devices into the mailbag. Given the amount of measurement gear he has, it should be a whoppin success at marketing when Dave, a respected engineer, demonstrates and measures over-unity.

C'mon, don't be that naive, it has been many decades that there is a secret organization that will sabotage/steal/destroy and etc, to any free energy machines ever created on earth.

Trust me, Dave will never ... ever ... get it.

Heck, even Dave got it, how can we trust Dave is not part of that secret evil organization ?


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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2019, 09:16:33 am »
how can we trust Dave is not part of that secret evil organization ?

He's not only a member, he's a high-rank member.

(watch the video closely, you can see the secret facepalm!)
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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2019, 09:43:18 am »
Well somebody explain this then.

 

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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2019, 12:39:48 pm »
The fact that you can define a region in space and claim it contains energy is not a surprise and is not in dispute.  It certainly does contain energy - and yes, I will let you include vacuum energy in this consideration.
BUT - there is one tiny question ... How do you access it?

Easy, you build a little contraption, add some ferrite and other magic stuff and you make a shaky Youtube video showing the results  ::)
 
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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2019, 12:42:23 pm »
The "idiots" are well aware that there's harvestable energy all around us. The problem is that they're also aware of where it comes from, how much is available, and how it's completely useless as a practical source of power (ie. there's not enough of it).
The amount of harvestable energy in a lot of environments is very large, the problem is that a lot of the time, the cost of extracting that energy is not worth it.
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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2019, 12:44:44 pm »
Well somebody explain this then.



No need, it's slowing down, so it'll stop in a few more years and you won't have to bother explaining it.
 

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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2019, 12:50:47 pm »
Heck, even Dave got it, how can we trust Dave is not part of that secret evil organization ?


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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2019, 02:34:36 pm »
It is all about self reflection and Dunning Kruger.

When I sit in my kitchen with a cup of tea and shortbread and then start to think about energy, the universe and all such stuff, I should reflect my education in that field. If I then move into my basement and start gluing magnets and wooden sticks to bicycle wheels and let them spin around to create free energy I might consider that there could have been smarter people than me trying this before.

That said I'm back in me shed writing down my Weltbeherrschungsprojektplan.
 

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« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2019, 04:44:23 pm »
If the free energy device makers want to prove Dave wrong, they should send him their devices into the mailbag. Given the amount of measurement gear he has, it should be a whoppin success at marketing when Dave, a respected engineer, demonstrates and measures over-unity.

All of the free energy devices are working perfectly fine as claimed by their manufacturers.

Even assuming that Dave is not part of the global conspiracy working against the "free energy truth", the problem with demonstrating and measuring this, is that all of the measuring devices are built by engineers according to their man-made laws of physics and will therefore always show that the devices are not working properly with respect to these narrow-minded, incomplete laws.  ;)

Don't believe me?

The flat earth community has faced similar discussions in the past and settled them by now. (see e.g. here: https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,1324.msg1312141.html#msg1312141)

I.e.: Dave, you're holding... errr... measuring it wrong! ;-)
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« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2019, 04:57:29 pm »
There is this guy in the garage, playing with magnets and coils, finds something strange. He put together this wheel, turned the magnets just right, and and the wheel keeps on spinning. He shows it to his engineering friend, the guy tells him that he made a mistake, it is not perpetuum mobile. So he builds a bigger one and connects a light bulb to it. The bigger wheel keeps on spinning, and the bulb makes light. He shows it to a dozen people, they tell him that he is cheating and this is impossible. The guy sells his house, builds a 100 meter diameter wheel from the money, connects an induction smelter to the output. Shows it to thousand people, he keeps smelting cars down and the smelter gets warmer and warmer.
Everyone claps their hand, that it is a nice trick, they go home. The guy is devastated. I cannot prove to these people that my perpetuum mobile works. So he walks to the lever to switch it off. The lever is stuck, too much current. The wheel keeps turning and turning, and the smeltery gets warmer and warmer...

10000 light-years away there are two guys in an astronomic  observatory, looking at the screen. One of the guys points at a white blob with all his 4 hands, saying:
"Hey look, a supernova. It wasn't there yesterday."
"Well, there goes another civilization, which didn't realize that wishful thinking can violate the laws of physics."
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« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2019, 05:33:46 pm »
There is plenty of free energy out there, around ninety three million miles out there. You just have to Collect it. The person who Makes a device to do  so will make a fortune, Oh dear i just googled it they already make them.
 
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« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2019, 07:17:20 pm »
I argue, that Sagan’s Perpetual Motion Facepalming machine is not really working. I can clearly see the energy is taken from bullshit letters! ;)

Basketballs are flat too, you can see the proof in the attachment (not my work).
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« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2019, 07:21:03 pm »
There is plenty of free energy out there, around ninety three million miles out there. You just have to Collect it. The person who Makes a device to do  so will make a fortune, Oh dear i just googled it they already make them.
That's certainly one of the easier ways, but not the only way. Another way is to drill a few miles directly downwards. You'll eventually reach a point that's plenty hot enough to boil water. And it would work 24/7.
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« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2019, 08:32:30 pm »
There is plenty of free energy out there, around ninety three million miles out there. You just have to Collect it. The person who Makes a device to do  so will make a fortune, Oh dear i just googled it they already make them.
That's certainly one of the easier ways, but not the only way. Another way is to drill a few miles directly downwards. You'll eventually reach a point that's plenty hot enough to boil water. And it would work 24/7.
Checkd that one too, Unfortunately someone has beaten us to it in Iceland. Guess its back to the drawing board.
 

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« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2019, 08:47:47 pm »
There is plenty of free energy out there, around ninety three million miles out there. You just have to Collect it. The person who Makes a device to do  so will make a fortune, Oh dear i just googled it they already make them.
That's certainly one of the easier ways, but not the only way. Another way is to drill a few miles directly downwards. You'll eventually reach a point that's plenty hot enough to boil water. And it would work 24/7.
That is much harder than you think. The problem is that rock is a poor coductor of heat. You'll have to create a huge underground heat exchange surface for geothermal energy to work on a large scale. Also there is risk of earthquakes.
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« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2019, 09:47:44 pm »
Well somebody explain this then.


Your answer is @2:34
"It is slower than before, presumably its mysterious energy source is running down"

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« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2019, 11:18:01 pm »
If the free energy device makers want to prove Dave wrong, they should send him their devices into the mailbag. Given the amount of measurement gear he has, it should be a whoppin success at marketing when Dave, a respected engineer, demonstrates and measures over-unity.
Awhile back, I wanted to send Dave such a spoof device just for fun, however, there does not exist a dense enough shoe-box sized battery technology for me to create such a puzzle device which would seem to keep on dishing out electricity causing Dave to scratch his head for the goal of a continuous year of operation before the battery would finally die driving a 100 watt load or bulb.

OK, maybe a nuclear therm-isotope generator, but, I would have problems affording that and that would still be around 10 larger than 1 shoe box, but, it would last over 25 years...

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« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2019, 12:33:28 am »
There's lots of free energy out there, most of it comes to us from the sun. The thing commonly called "free energy" involves getting more out of a system that is going in and I'm not sure why people have a hard time comprehending that this is not possible, it's just not how the universe works. When someone thinks they've discovered something that is over-unity they generally are overlooking something or not measuring correctly, and their belief that it works is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of how the world works.

As far as ludicrous claims of free energy devices being stamped out and covered up by the energy industry, consider the hugely wealthy and powerful entertainment and software industries have barely made a dent in the rampant content piracy, it's virtually impossible to stop information and actually cover anything up for long.
 


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