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Title: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: EEVblog on September 28, 2019, 10:53:45 pm
Dave found this crazy bargain of the century no-name $9 0.02% class multifuction process calibrator on Aliexpress.
Is it any good?
Actually, it's an AIMOmeter AMPX1 that sells for over $200 on ebay, so what gives?
How can they possibly manufacture and sell a 0.02% class device for under ten bucks?
Teardown time.

Links to stores with availability, grab two before they are gone:
http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/2q15Asnm (http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/2q15Asnm)
GONE! http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/KzXfowmG (http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/KzXfowmG)
GONE! http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/pXZzeMQM (http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/pXZzeMQM)
GONE! http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/N2SvlX3i (http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/N2SvlX3i)
http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/qREQSsXA (http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/qREQSsXA)
http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/n9bRRByU (http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/n9bRRByU)
http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/mgEv3VYU (http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/mgEv3VYU)
http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/B1dhXBHI (http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/B1dhXBHI)
http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/5SZr1USk (http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/5SZr1USk)
http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/KOvQe5u8 (http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/KOvQe5u8)
http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/MM6QzxEo (http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/MM6QzxEo)
http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/rROyF3hm (http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/rROyF3hm)
http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/Dw6LDRCk (http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/Dw6LDRCk)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3h02BDPMJw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3h02BDPMJw)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Nusa on September 28, 2019, 11:05:29 pm
All the links show gone for me. Maybe there's a regional component? Or you're seeing cached results?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maginnovision on September 28, 2019, 11:19:21 pm
Search aliexpress for Mulitifuction Process Calibrator. There are some for $67. Assuming it works properly it may not be BAD. Certainly better than $200. Definitely still worth it if you want parts from it.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ataradov on September 28, 2019, 11:19:59 pm
All those "vendors" are likely to be the same company/person. Obviously just a fire sale of some surplus possibly stolen units.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: cowasaki on September 28, 2019, 11:32:29 pm
I got one earlier today after the video went on Patreon.  There first company sold out whilst I typed in my card details.  There were 891 left a few hours ago!
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: EEVblog on September 28, 2019, 11:36:16 pm
I can confirm 150 sales through my links, almost everyone ordered 2 units, so that's 300 units total at least before the sub $10 party ended.
So those shops with stock number of 900+ etc were either BS, or they realised there was a "run on the bank" and they upped their prices.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: 0xDEADFEED on September 29, 2019, 12:20:01 am
Just got one for slightly more from here now that AliExpress stock is all gone: https://www.dhgate.com/product/2-in-1-digital-multimeter-high-accuracy-mulitifuction/486004131.html (https://www.dhgate.com/product/2-in-1-digital-multimeter-high-accuracy-mulitifuction/486004131.html)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Xenoamor on September 29, 2019, 12:29:26 am
Just got one for slightly more from here now that AliExpress stock is all gone: https://www.dhgate.com/product/2-in-1-digital-multimeter-high-accuracy-mulitifuction/486004131.html (https://www.dhgate.com/product/2-in-1-digital-multimeter-high-accuracy-mulitifuction/486004131.html)


I'm not expecting this one to ship but fingers crossed. Great find as always Dave!
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Bluebrain on September 29, 2019, 12:37:03 am
I can confirm 150 sales through my links, almost everyone ordered 2 units, so that's 300 units total at least before the sub $10 party ended.

And I guess a whole lot new patreons!  :-DD
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: innkeeper on September 29, 2019, 12:45:47 am
Just got one for slightly more from here now that AliExpress stock is all gone: https://www.dhgate.com/product/2-in-1-digital-multimeter-high-accuracy-mulitifuction/486004131.html (https://www.dhgate.com/product/2-in-1-digital-multimeter-high-accuracy-mulitifuction/486004131.html)
thanks 0xDEADFEED
grabbed one at dhgate also - missed the 10 dollar party but still not a bad price.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: TurboTom on September 29, 2019, 12:47:32 am
Dave - thanks for the detailed teardown of the instrument. It's funny how many small solder sprinkles are distributed over the PCB (shouldn't be a problem to remove them -- but they rather shouldn't be there at all in the first time...). I wonder how well the switch will perform over the time. The push-button on/off switch will of course reduce the "milage" on the range switch compared to meters that have their "off" position on the latter.

Regarding the voltage reference for the ADC, I guess it's the combination of D14 and U16. I wonder why they should have installed a though-hole diode (D14) in an otherwise all-SMD instrument if it's not for a special purpose. It's very well possible that D14 is a member of the 1N825 family or a similar ultra-low tempco voltage reference diode while U16 is controlling its bias current.

I'm quite curious if the sellers will actually ship the instruments that they sold at the ultra-low price. Maybe they finally understood that they could ask some more money (albeit selling the meters more slowly) and refuse to send them. If they do ship, I should receive two within three or four weeks...  :D

Cheers,
Thomas
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wilfred on September 29, 2019, 01:06:29 am
This is a great example of the perennial forum debates about just what relationship price has to value. At $9 it is clearly a bargain at runout prices and could never have been sold for this price. So should it be criticised as if it were a true $9 cheapy?  What is the true value price point for this meter on the market?

Someone offered comment on the range switch, but what is it about the range switch that makes it poor. Is it simply that it was on a meter bought for $9. No objective testing has been done. I have heard of another meter not in the $9 class which had range switch issues. Aren't all range switches largely created equal?

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ataradov on September 29, 2019, 01:20:17 am
Tolerances and quality of manufacturing is what makes a difference. Even if you assume seemingly real market price for this thing of ~$200, the switch is still garbage. No matter what you do, it should not behave as it does in the video.

Of course we don't know how it will behave with wear over time, but it should not fail like that out of the box.

Quite the opposite, on a $9 device it would probably be acceptable and expected behavior.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: beanflying on September 29, 2019, 01:25:48 am
This is a great example of the perennial forum debates about just what relationship price has to value. At $9 it is clearly a bargain at runout prices and could never have been sold for this price. So should it be criticised as if it were a true $9 cheapy?  What is the true value price point for this meter on the market?

Someone offered comment on the range switch, but what is it about the range switch that makes it poor. Is it simply that it was on a meter bought for $9. No objective testing has been done. I have heard of another meter not in the $9 class which had range switch issues. Aren't all range switches largely created equal?

Looked like good value will do a job I generally had to cobble something together to test and is likely as or more accurate unless I get serious. So I brought one to suck it and see.

Not to worried about the range switch as I don't let my gear be handled by neanderthals and other assorted rock apes who delight in seeing how to break a device or if I wiggle this thing this one particular way it 'sometimes' doesn't work therefore it is a failure. Some of us still have contact/relay adjusting tools and know how to use them if it is or becomes a problem :-//

I had a few other 'cheap' calibrators on my Aliexpress list and if this one is 'OK' then for my generally limited use case it will be good value.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: someperson on September 29, 2019, 01:44:08 am
Ugh, I'm kind of upset. I'm in serious need of a new meter, but seems like I missed out, even though I'm a supporter D:
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ataradov on September 29, 2019, 02:04:19 am
But this device is mediocre as an actual meter. Get a real meter instead.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: beanflying on September 29, 2019, 02:05:03 am
They have a website but Google hates it it seems  :-// http://www.aimometer.com (http://www.aimometer.com)

and http://www.aimometer.cn/ (http://www.aimometer.cn/)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Electro Detective on September 29, 2019, 02:06:27 am
The Price Is Right (to my standards  :D) but do these things work and stay working?    :-//

Or is it perhaps a dud product dump or tacky ThreeHungLow promotion?   :popcorn:
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: FrankBuss on September 29, 2019, 02:21:52 am
They have a website but Google hates it it seems  :-// http://www.aimometer.com (http://www.aimometer.com)

and http://www.aimometer.cn/ (http://www.aimometer.cn/)

Clicking on the link for the meter, which they advertise in the image slideshow on their main page, leads to a 404 webpage. And looks like in "products" it is not listed.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: amspire on September 29, 2019, 02:25:04 am
We still have to see if the various stores ship the meters. The ones I ordered Friday will expire if they are not shipped by Tuesday and I will just get my money refunded instead of receiving a meter.

Has anyone had any of the meters ordered since Dave mentioned them marked as "Shipped" yet?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: beanflying on September 29, 2019, 02:28:45 am
They have a website but Google hates it it seems  :-// http://www.aimometer.com (http://www.aimometer.com)

and http://www.aimometer.cn/ (http://www.aimometer.cn/)

Clicking on the link for the meter, which they advertise in the image slideshow on their main page, leads to a 404 webpage. And looks like in "products" it is not listed.

Yep that's what I found too. Seems they have some sort of MASTEK relationship there is some AIMO branded Mastek products out in the wild in particular the anemometer, the Mastek process calibrator is available by the links. Maybe they have considered them slow sellers from a 2015 release or build and have dropped them?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: BravoV on September 29, 2019, 02:29:20 am
The USB interface chip is Silabs CP2102 , USB to UART bridge.

Dave's close-up shots -> https://www.flickr.com/photos/eevblog/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/eevblog/)



Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: blargg on September 29, 2019, 02:32:20 am
Dhgate claims that if the seller cancels or fails to ship, you get a full refund plus $20-$30 extra credit. Win-win for anyone who missed out on Ali Express and paid $23 for the one on dhgate.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: BravoV on September 29, 2019, 02:35:14 am
We still have to see if the various stores ship the meters. The ones I ordered Friday will expire if they are not shipped by Tuesday and I will just get my money refunded instead of receiving a meter.

Has anyone had any of the meters ordered since Dave mentioned them marked as "Shipped" yet?

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/test-equipment-anonymous-(tea)-group-therapy-thread/?action=dlattach;attach=843688;image)

Mine ordered at 27th still in processing, and will expire in 9days 11hours as I typed now, lets wait & see.  :P
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: someperson on September 29, 2019, 02:41:28 am
Dhgate claims that if the seller cancels or fails to ship, you get a full refund plus $20-$30 extra credit. Win-win for anyone who missed out on Ali Express and paid $23 for the one on dhgate.
Unfortunately, I missed out on that one too. :(
Cheapest I'm able to find now is $50 delivered. Seems like a bit much for something that's a bit of a gamble.

EDIT: Found a bit better deal for $32.50 delivered. Still on the fence.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: BravoV on September 29, 2019, 03:24:26 am
Just curious what is the limit price that you guys tolerate and also the risk you're willingly to take for such deal from Aliexpress style of shopping ?

$20? $30? $40? $50? or even more  ?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ataradov on September 29, 2019, 03:30:14 am
With Ali specifically - quite a bit, I've come to trust their buyer protection. I have no problem spending $100 on a "questionable", but good deal.
Aforementioned DHGate and other questionable sites - $0.

But for this specific unit - $10 would be the right price, since I really don't need it.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: beanflying on September 29, 2019, 03:32:15 am
Aliexpress like Paypal gets you nearly 100% DOA or non delivery protection. I have never had a high price item not turn up and work but a few sub $50 were easy to sort out with only one of them needing an actual phone call to paypal.

The other options I had saved for process calibrators were all $100+ AUD so this one is well worth a small risk.

Still available @ circa $100USD  ;) https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000018968494.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.2eec71c28TnVBr&algo_pvid=b9c2fd78-f26a-4900-97d7-c5f5bb9d2311&algo_expid=b9c2fd78-f26a-4900-97d7-c5f5bb9d2311-26&btsid=49f44b32-edcf-4188-940a-06c12c678a0a&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_4,searchweb201603_52 (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000018968494.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.2eec71c28TnVBr&algo_pvid=b9c2fd78-f26a-4900-97d7-c5f5bb9d2311&algo_expid=b9c2fd78-f26a-4900-97d7-c5f5bb9d2311-26&btsid=49f44b32-edcf-4188-940a-06c12c678a0a&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_4,searchweb201603_52)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wilfred on September 29, 2019, 03:34:07 am
I don't shop Aliexpress very often so I am not sure about the refund policy. It is in Aliexpress' interests to not make me reluctant to shop there and so offer robust refund policies. After that it is just a question of how likely am I to forget to claim the refund before the limit expires.

At the moment I have a vague notion that the delivery time was 30-53 days and the time limit to claim is 60 days. But I'll wait at least 30 days before bothering to try finding out.

I don't think I have a particular dollar amount in mind but I wouldn't sweat the A$17 I paid for this thing (much). But I'm poor and a tightarse except when spending money on bargains.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: someperson on September 29, 2019, 03:55:01 am
In case anyone is interested, this is the lowest I was able to find earlier:
https://www.wish.com/product/5d82eea61ac87a107be9016f (https://www.wish.com/product/5d82eea61ac87a107be9016f)
Use the promo code XMRDZNK.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ataradov on September 29, 2019, 03:59:52 am
Well, Wish is a special case. They would have to pay me to get their junk. I would be highly cautious of giving them any money.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: jh15 on September 29, 2019, 04:09:29 am
so now what for a voltage reference on the cheap, and good?

I have a little plexiglass thing with 2.5 5 7.5 and 10v. Has a sticker of an HP/Agilent/keysight/what next meter serial and cal date info on it. actual voltage to many places on it.

Think it was really cheap.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wilfred on September 29, 2019, 04:11:19 am
Well, Wish is a special case. They would have to pay me to get their junk. I would be highly cautious of giving them any money.
I've never heard of them. They are claiming the price is reduced from $866. And you have to login before even browsing around. Forget it.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: beanflying on September 29, 2019, 04:14:50 am
Wish is to online shopping what some crowd funding is to failed tech products - SCAMMERS delight.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: CheckOne Two on September 29, 2019, 05:38:17 am
Hmmmm .... not sure how many of these will actually be getting shipped .... bought one of these not long after the video came out from DHgate and almost immediately got a message from seller offering another product:

"hi friend
hope you are well .
kind reminder the item you ordered is still under producing ,
would you like change to attached new style ?
it's really nice and hot selling , hope you like it .
thanks , we waiting for your feedback "


Obviously I have messaged back saying that I would like the item they advertised but may have to wait a week or so to find out what's happening as apparently the Chinese are now on holiday till the 8th ............. :(
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ataradov on September 29, 2019, 05:42:54 am
Out of curiosity, what did they offer in exchange?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ritaismyconscience on September 29, 2019, 06:05:38 am
I bought one too. I got these messages:
(https://i.imgur.com/fcvlo4d.png)
They tried to scam me too by asking me to switch to a normal multimeter.
This is what they attached:
(https://i.imgur.com/dUAalAx.jpg)

They did say it was still under production. Failed prototype maybe?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: CheckOne Two on September 29, 2019, 06:08:30 am
Yes same crap meter ... Hytais TS33F .....  :--

Probably holding all the low price sales back and offering to those who bought at higher prices ......
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ataradov on September 29, 2019, 06:09:59 am
Yeah, sounds about right for DHGate.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ritaismyconscience on September 29, 2019, 06:11:32 am
If they don't ship it I get my money back and $20 credit.

That's pretty good.

They got about 80 sales, they're potentially in the hole for $1600. Yikes.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: CheckOne Two on September 29, 2019, 06:14:12 am
I see we both got the same message word for word from "different" sellers so obviously same people .... I bought from "tonethiny" ....
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: amspire on September 29, 2019, 06:14:35 am
DHGate still has the same sale going - for $117.

They had just sold 62 of the meters in a day.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: member_xyz on September 29, 2019, 06:17:07 am
Got exactly same messages from DHgate.
same seller yaseri.
 
Will see what happens with refund.

Don't expect them to ship.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ritaismyconscience on September 29, 2019, 06:18:17 am
I think this guy said "lol price error" after he found out they were selling like hot cakes and that he could have made so much more profit. Highly doubt this guy is selling them at a loss.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: FrankBuss on September 29, 2019, 06:19:13 am
Got a message from one of the Alieexpress shops as well:

(https://i.imgur.com/v1K7tfj.png)

And did you notice that the all used the same pictures, and the same wrong spelling? "Mulitifuction", whatever this means. I think I will answer that it is not urgent and that they can take all the time they need to fix it  :)

But I bought it from 2 shops at Aliexpress, and didn't get a message so far from the other shop, so it seems to be at least different sellers.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: CheckOne Two on September 29, 2019, 06:20:21 am
If they don't ship it I get my money back and $20 credit.

That's pretty good.

They got about 80 sales, they're potentially in the hole for $1600. Yikes.

I wouldn't hold your breath for that offer .... from reading up online I see that offer seems to hardly ever be honoured .... :(
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ritaismyconscience on September 29, 2019, 06:23:13 am
If they don't ship it I get my money back and $20 credit.

That's pretty good.

They got about 80 sales, they're potentially in the hole for $1600. Yikes.

I wouldn't hold your breath for that offer .... from reading up online I see that offer seems to hardly ever be honoured .... :(

I'm fairly confident I'll get my money back at least. Have shopped on many chinese websites before because cheaper price
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: CheckOne Two on September 29, 2019, 06:26:16 am
If they don't ship it I get my money back and $20 credit.

That's pretty good.

They got about 80 sales, they're potentially in the hole for $1600. Yikes.

I wouldn't hold your breath for that offer .... from reading up online I see that offer seems to hardly ever be honoured .... :(

I'm fairly confident I'll get my money back at least. Have shopped on many chinese websites before because cheaper price

Hope so .... I'll report back what happens here but apparently they will be on holiday now till the 8th ..............
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ritaismyconscience on September 29, 2019, 06:28:18 am
If they don't ship it I get my money back and $20 credit.

That's pretty good.

They got about 80 sales, they're potentially in the hole for $1600. Yikes.

I wouldn't hold your breath for that offer .... from reading up online I see that offer seems to hardly ever be honoured .... :(

I'm fairly confident I'll get my money back at least. Have shopped on many chinese websites before because cheaper price

Hope so .... I'll report back what happens here but apparently they will be on holiday now till the 8th ..............
Usually if they try to scam you they will use a fake tracking number to show the system that it was shipped. It's fairly obvious to the arbitrators that there's something shady going on.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: CheckOne Two on September 29, 2019, 07:08:06 am
Just got message back from seller .... now trying to raise price to $65.

I have written a detailed answer back stating the common faults with the meter and have informed the seller that the reason it was popular was because many pros realised that the QC faults could be fixed and that at $20 it was worth buying but that at $65 with the high chance of faults it was no longer worth looking at and he would probably get a majority of returns.

We'll see how that goes down ......
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: hwti on September 29, 2019, 07:15:21 am
I see we both got the same message word for word from "different" sellers so obviously same people .... I bought from "tonethiny" ....
Same too.

I wonder how the site shows the transaction history on the product page. When I ordered, there was nothing, now there are 66 transactions and I'm on the first page, which means a lot of orders before mine.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: member_xyz on September 29, 2019, 07:26:14 am
Yep,

Now asking for  additional $65.36 to help him cover a loss.

Quote
yaseri 2019-09-29 14:44

Dear friends
Then are you willing to help us make up the difference?
Because our system had an error before
The price before the purchase of this product was wrong.
We just recommend you the product at the same price as the one you paid for.
If you want this product
Can you help us make up $65.36?
This is the lowest price we can give you.
The remaining loss is paid by us
Is this okay?
Please open the link below and put in the number 86
And complete the payment
We will arrange the delivery for you right away.
Thank you
https://www.dhgate.com/product/roadlover-additional-postage-for-express/476686118.html (https://www.dhgate.com/product/roadlover-additional-postage-for-express/476686118.html)

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: CheckOne Two on September 29, 2019, 07:37:21 am
Yep,

Now asking for  additional $65.36 to help him cover a loss.

Quote
yaseri 2019-09-29 14:44

Dear friends
Then are you willing to help us make up the difference?
Because our system had an error before
The price before the purchase of this product was wrong.
We just recommend you the product at the same price as the one you paid for.
If you want this product
Can you help us make up $65.36?
This is the lowest price we can give you.
The remaining loss is paid by us
Is this okay?
Please open the link below and put in the number 86
And complete the payment
We will arrange the delivery for you right away.
Thank you
https://www.dhgate.com/product/roadlover-additional-postage-for-express/476686118.html (https://www.dhgate.com/product/roadlover-additional-postage-for-express/476686118.html)


Yes exact same message going to everybody it seems ..... as I detailed in my last post  I just replied saying with the high chance of faults I wasn't willing to pay more than the original price and didn't think the majority of others would either ...... so he was probably looking at a very high % of returns by trying to raise the price ......
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: CheckOne Two on September 29, 2019, 07:39:54 am
I see we both got the same message word for word from "different" sellers so obviously same people .... I bought from "tonethiny" ....
Same too.

I wonder how the site shows the transaction history on the product page. When I ordered, there was nothing, now there are 66 transactions and I'm on the first page, which means a lot of orders before mine.

I think the number maxed out at 66 and there are a lot more ...... I watched it go up very quickly then stop at 66 hours ago.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: CheckOne Two on September 29, 2019, 08:08:03 am
Here's the latest ... feel like they're trying to railroad me into picking the option that suits them best or the refund will take ages:



Dear friends
I don't know if this product will be like this.
When I found out, you have already placed the order.
But we can only take it off the shelf
Because the price we can send you is far behind $23
We need to pay for shipping
If you don't make up the difference,
We are willing to help you with a refund
You can open the dispute and choose the reason:item now not required
Only for this reason can we help you with a quick refund
Please understand
Thank you


What do you think .... ?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Smokey on September 29, 2019, 08:08:42 am
Just checked.  My Aliexpress guy doesn't look like he's trying any funny business.  Still says "Awaiting Shipment", so I could probably see the thing show up in the next ... eventually.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: beanflying on September 29, 2019, 08:11:13 am
Quote
You placed a listing to a price which I accepted and purchased the item this is forms a contract which you now want to renegotiate after I have paid for that contract?

This is not okay or acceptable and is you clearly trying to breech or not fulfill that contract.

You now seem to be saying you have the calibrators available to send straight away if I agree to your revised offer. So you were not telling the truth in your first message about still being in production?


My last missive to dhgate  :horse: after they wanted to negotiate.  :box:
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: hwti on September 29, 2019, 08:14:59 am
The vendor is also trying to make me cancel, but with a slightly different message :
Quote
Dear friends
I am very sorry to tell you.
We are no longer in stock
Can we help you with a refund?
Please open the dispute and choose the reason for the dispute: item now not required
Only for this reason can we help you with a quick refund
Please understand
Thank you
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ataradov on September 29, 2019, 08:16:38 am
I would research the reason for dispute. I bet it is not the only way they can "help". And that reason probably benefits them in some way.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: EEVblog on September 29, 2019, 08:18:03 am
I bought one too. I got these messages:
(https://i.imgur.com/fcvlo4d.png)
They tried to scam me too by asking me to switch to a normal multimeter.
This is what they attached:
(https://i.imgur.com/dUAalAx.jpg)

That's  :-DD
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: CheckOne Two on September 29, 2019, 08:19:57 am
I would research the reason for dispute. I bet it is not the only way they can "help". And that reason probably benefits them in some way.

Agreed ..... I replied saying that the item was required and that if it has to go to dispute I will choose a suitable reason that covers the attempted raising of the price.

It's just not on for items with a high chance of faults ......
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maginnovision on September 29, 2019, 08:22:25 am
Since they all just copied and pasted their listings maybe they really didn't realize it wasn't the typical garbage until all of a sudden they all started to sell.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: EEVblog on September 29, 2019, 08:22:44 am
So this is an interesting development.
I guess I got mine "under the radar" as they didn't know what they were selling at that price, but once the orders started to flood in I can picture the shouts going across the halls of the Shenzhen markets "There's a run on this process meter thing, stop shipments!"
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: CheckOne Two on September 29, 2019, 08:25:31 am
Just checked.  My Aliexpress guy doesn't look like he's trying any funny business.  Still says "Awaiting Shipment", so I could probably see the thing show up in the next ... eventually.

Fingers crossed for you .... :)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maginnovision on September 29, 2019, 08:29:45 am
I ordered 1 from 4 "different" sellers on aliexpress...

Although I recall an aneng 870 meter I sent back(assistant spent $100 on return shipping  :-DD :-DD) and they still only ever said "we never get meter" and I didn't even get a replacement $30 meter... So I may be out $30 again. At least those rdtech guys ship their products in working form. Usually.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: hwti on September 29, 2019, 08:31:31 am
I would research the reason for dispute. I bet it is not the only way they can "help". And that reason probably benefits them in some way.
Perhaps the platform investigate when sellers cancel a lot of orders, and they get penalized.
Or maybe it reflects on the feedback score, if we can vote or not depending on the dispute reason. The two vendors from dhgate don't have a lot of reviews, so getting up to 60 negative ones would really affect their score.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: CheckOne Two on September 29, 2019, 08:34:33 am
I would research the reason for dispute. I bet it is not the only way they can "help". And that reason probably benefits them in some way.
Perhaps the platform investigate when sellers cancel a lot of orders, and they get penalized.
Or maybe it reflects on the feedback score, if we can vote or not depending on the dispute reason. The two vendors from dhgate don't have a lot of reviews, so getting up to 60 negative ones would really affect their score.

I'm pretty sure it's probably MUCH more than 60 ................
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Nusa on September 29, 2019, 08:35:45 am
They're collectively trying to get you to "fix" the problem from your end, which relieves them of any buyer protection policies that might apply. And at least in the case of Aliexpress, the opportunity to give publicly visible feedback on the transaction goes away if YOU cancel the order. Those stores live and die by their feedback scores, in some cases.

My advice to most of you is not to agree to anything and leave the onus of changing the contract to the seller, rather than giving them an easy out.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kleinstein on September 29, 2019, 08:36:29 am
That the brand name was removed shows that this is not just stolen parts or so. It takes quite some effort to remove it, especially if the instrument is already assembled. My guess would be that the slightly unreliable operation that Dave had could be the cause and this could be something like a flawed first series or maybe returns that than get the brand name removed and sold for cheap instead of going to the waste.
I don't think it would be something as simple as failing on the EMI / FCC test - or the dodgy CAT III rating - the Chinese usually don't care much about these.

For DMM it is OK to have the USB only one direction, but for a calibrator one may like to have both directions.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: RoGeorge on September 29, 2019, 08:38:06 am
AliExpress and other small online shops does not have stock.

- The end customer place an online order to a small shop.
- After the payment was approved, the small shop place a centralized order to the warehouse.

At this point it is very clear that the warehouse changed the price, so the price jumped about 5-10 times over night.  A small shop will not have money to take the hit, so they will try to mitigate the loss.  No matter what, the shop will take some damage, either in money or in reputation.

Insisting to get the order is a very unfair thing to do to the shop owners.  Most of those who ordered placed their order not because they were actively looking for a calibrator, but because knowing/hoping they'll get some undeserved advantage.

Legal?  Yes.
Ethical?  No.

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ataradov on September 29, 2019, 08:41:43 am
The amount of times I was screwed up by "small shops", I find it hard to feel sorry.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: CheckOne Two on September 29, 2019, 08:42:13 am
They're collectively trying to get you to "fix" the problem from your end, which relieves them of any buyer protection policies that might apply. And at least in the case of Aliexpress, the opportunity to give publicly visible feedback on the transaction goes away if YOU cancel the order. Those stores live and die by their feedback scores, in some cases.

My advice to most of you is not to agree to anything and leave the onus of changing the contract to the seller, rather than giving them an easy out.

Agreed ... that is what I have done and would advise others to do too .... if apparent demand drops and the sellers realise these have a high chance of defect the price may go back down.

Don't make it easy for them .... they were obviously making a profit at $10 .......
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: CheckOne Two on September 29, 2019, 08:47:59 am
Are the patreon purchasers also getting higher price demands?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Deodand2014 on September 29, 2019, 08:50:20 am
That the brand name was removed shows that this is not just stolen parts or so. It takes quite some effort to remove it, especially if the instrument is already assembled. My guess would be that the slightly unreliable operation that Dave had could be the cause and this could be something like a flawed first series or maybe returns that than get the brand name removed and sold for cheap instead of going to the waste.
I don't think it would be something as simple as failing on the EMI / FCC test - or the dodgy CAT III rating - the Chinese usually don't care much about these.

For DMM it is OK to have the USB only one direction, but for a calibrator one may like to have both directions.

That was my first thought as well, though I was thinking more a duff batch that had been taken from the skip at the back of the factory and 'cleaned up' for a quick sale.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Samueru on September 29, 2019, 09:11:22 am
Yep,

Now asking for  additional $65.36 to help him cover a loss.

Quote
yaseri 2019-09-29 14:44

Dear friends
Then are you willing to help us make up the difference?
Because our system had an error before
The price before the purchase of this product was wrong.
We just recommend you the product at the same price as the one you paid for.
If you want this product
Can you help us make up $65.36?
This is the lowest price we can give you.
The remaining loss is paid by us
Is this okay?
Please open the link below and put in the number 86
And complete the payment
We will arrange the delivery for you right away.
Thank you
https://www.dhgate.com/product/roadlover-additional-postage-for-express/476686118.html (https://www.dhgate.com/product/roadlover-additional-postage-for-express/476686118.html)



What does 86 mean there? 86$? The asked for 65$ and then told you to input 86$?

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maginnovision on September 29, 2019, 09:19:28 am
2 of my AliExpress meters "shipped" yesterday. Tracking numbers are legitimate.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Nusa on September 29, 2019, 09:20:33 am
Yep,

Now asking for  additional $65.36 to help him cover a loss.

Quote
yaseri 2019-09-29 14:44

Dear friends
Then are you willing to help us make up the difference?
Because our system had an error before
The price before the purchase of this product was wrong.
We just recommend you the product at the same price as the one you paid for.
If you want this product
Can you help us make up $65.36?
This is the lowest price we can give you.
The remaining loss is paid by us
Is this okay?
Please open the link below and put in the number 86
And complete the payment
We will arrange the delivery for you right away.
Thank you
https://www.dhgate.com/product/roadlover-additional-postage-for-express/476686118.html (https://www.dhgate.com/product/roadlover-additional-postage-for-express/476686118.html)



What does 86 mean there? 86$? The asked for 65$ and then told you to input 86$?

They are asking you to buy quantity 86 at $0.76 each, which adds up to $65.36.
I wouldn't do it.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: CheckOne Two on September 29, 2019, 09:23:57 am
2 of my AliExpress meters "shipped" yesterday. Tracking numbers are legitimate.

Are you one of the original patreon buyers?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: epigramx on September 29, 2019, 09:27:09 am
It appears the video urls redirect for life to the subdomain best.aliexpress.com instead of regular aliexpress.com. This is considered invasive by many.
To prevent that behavior clean all your cookies of the main domain and for the future, block the subdomain.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: BravoV on September 29, 2019, 09:34:33 am
Looking at the situation now, especially the sellers are in super excited mood now, imo its pointless to pursue this DMM, just wait till things settled.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: BFX on September 29, 2019, 09:41:57 am
This is how those shops looks like  ;D
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Usually they don't have any and they run to near by shops and grab some.
It happen to me in Shanghai when I was asking for two UT210E:)
And I was even able to negotiate for a lower price because of two (around 23$ per/one).
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: beanflying on September 29, 2019, 09:47:07 am
And the counter offer to not being prepared to renegotiate the sale. Time to chat to Dhgate about their 'trusted' seller.

Quote
Dear friends
very sorry
We only recommended you to give you the same price as you.
We found that our product price has gone wrong.
And put it off the shelf and reset the price.
I hope you can understand
If you are not willing to pay more prices
We can help you with the refund
Please open the dispute and choose the reason: item now not required
Only for this reason can we help you with a refund
Please understand
Thank you
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maginnovision on September 29, 2019, 09:48:47 am
2 of my AliExpress meters "shipped" yesterday. Tracking numbers are legitimate.

Are you one of the original patreon buyers?

They were ordered on the 26th, from My Cozy Life Store and House of Happiness Store. Just now one order from KingPet Market Store is requesting a cancellation.

Quote
Dear friend,
Sorry, we just got the information from the warehouse when packing the parcels
there is some quality problems for this batch of this item, can not be shipped out .
We tried our best to correct it , but still can't  fix it totally .
So we suggest to refund to you in case you have to wait too long
How about you cancel the order first?
And you can place the new order later if we figure the problems out.
Once again, we send our sincere apology and hope to hear from you soon.
if you want to cancel the order, could you choose the reason 1 or 2
for example : "buyer does not want to buy"or "other reason" for faster refund
There is not effect on you to choose which reason
Best regards

I replied with a smiley face and let them know I'd probably be able to fix any issues it has and they can go ahead and send it.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: CheckOne Two on September 29, 2019, 09:53:02 am
And the counter offer to not being prepared to renegotiate the sale. Time to chat to Dhgate about their 'trusted' seller.

Quote
Dear friends
very sorry
We only recommended you to give you the same price as you.
We found that our product price has gone wrong.
And put it off the shelf and reset the price.
I hope you can understand
If you are not willing to pay more prices
We can help you with the refund
Please open the dispute and choose the reason: item now not required
Only for this reason can we help you with a refund
Please understand
Thank you

I got the same and one further message following that saying that if I didn't choose "item now not required" then the refund would not be quick:

"If you choose another reason
We won't refund you soon".
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: all_repair on September 29, 2019, 09:55:48 am
The online small sellers almost all do not have a physical store.  Most are teens learning English or with some English ability.  They help to list the item, do the description and then do customer service.  They do not have stock also.  And these teens do not have to in, or from, China.
Got a friend's daughter doing that as a sideline while she was doing her A level last two years.   And she paid for some pop up advertisement and was making quite good pocket money.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: amspire on September 29, 2019, 09:56:47 am

They were ordered on the 26th, from My Cozy Life Store and House of Happiness Store.

I have a meter ordered from My Cozy Life Store on the 26th, so I have my fingers crossed. They haven't sent it yet.

 The other orders are from the Hey, Living Store and the Manbo Life Store.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: TurboTom on September 29, 2019, 10:01:47 am
2 of my AliExpress meters "shipped" yesterday. Tracking numbers are legitimate.

Same with my order from last thursday after I figured out about the offer (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/insanely-priced-meter/msg2709428/#msg2709428) by myself. Probably placed my order before the "big hype" and went below the radar... I hope all the other orders will also get delivered.

P.S. The shop where I placed my order was "Cozy Life Store" as well.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: CheckOne Two on September 29, 2019, 10:08:26 am
The online small sellers almost all do not have a physical store.  Most are teens learning English or with some English ability.  They help to list the item, do the description and then do customer service.  They do not have stock also.  And these teens do not have to in, or from, China.
Got a friend's daughter doing that as a sideline while she was doing her A level last two years.   And she paid for some pop up advertisement and was making quite good pocket money.

Then trying to railroad customers by threatening to withhold money is not how they should be dealing with the situation.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: all_repair on September 29, 2019, 10:13:28 am
No movement yet for my 3 pcs from my cozy store placed on 27 1700hr.  If the store came back and asked for help, I would let her (most likely) off.  This is big adnormality created after Dave video came out.  Hit them out of the blue.  Don't think they are trying to make more, but trying not to be penalized.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: beanflying on September 29, 2019, 10:18:05 am
And the counter offer to not being prepared to renegotiate the sale. Time to chat to Dhgate about their 'trusted' seller.

Quote
Dear friends
very sorry
We only recommended you to give you the same price as you.
We found that our product price has gone wrong.
And put it off the shelf and reset the price.
I hope you can understand
If you are not willing to pay more prices
We can help you with the refund
Please open the dispute and choose the reason: item now not required
Only for this reason can we help you with a refund
Please understand
Thank you

I got the same and one further message following that saying that if I didn't choose "item now not required" then the refund would not be quick:

"If you choose another reason
We won't refund you soon".


The refund option seems quite clear 8-10 days to approve and a few more days for the transfer. so not unreasonable and having the seller involved shouldn't have a bearing on this.

Sent Dhgate a notice with some details asking them to get involved so see what comes back tomorrow.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maginnovision on September 29, 2019, 10:29:41 am
No movement yet for my 3 pcs from my cozy store placed on 27 1700hr.  If the store came back and asked for help, I would let her (most likely) off.  This is big adnormality created after Dave video came out.  Hit them out of the blue.  Don't think they are trying to make more, but trying not to be penalized.

I'd be perfectly fine with it... If they weren't lying to me. This also doesn't seem to be a Dave thing other than he helped drive demand. These people obviously weren't LOSING money or they wouldn't have listed them at these prices. Instead it seems they've decided they can get more money for them.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: member_xyz on September 29, 2019, 10:45:00 am
Quote
Sent Dhgate a notice with some details asking them to get involved so see what comes back tomorrow.

Have sent message to DHgate customer service.
Stating that seller changed mind after the sale and wants much more money now to ship the product, breach of sales contract.

Not expecting anything more than a refund.

Nothing personal about these sellers, but they need to learn and pay consequences for dishonest behavior.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: all_repair on September 29, 2019, 11:27:36 am
No movement yet for my 3 pcs from my cozy store placed on 27 1700hr.  If the store came back and asked for help, I would let her (most likely) off.  This is big adnormality created after Dave video came out.  Hit them out of the blue.  Don't think they are trying to make more, but trying not to be penalized.

I'd be perfectly fine with it... If they weren't lying to me. This also doesn't seem to be a Dave thing other than he helped drive demand. These people obviously weren't LOSING money or they wouldn't have listed them at these prices. Instead it seems they've decided they can get more money for them.
Dhgate is further down the supply chain.  Likely they are resellers of resellers.  My feel is either there is no stock, they can't deliver and have to pay the non-delivery penalty, or their sources have only the more expensive goods to offer.  The rejects have tiers too.  Lowest tiers are only good for part savage.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Sigurd on September 29, 2019, 11:34:42 am
I encourage you to take mercy on your reluctant sellers, they aren't to blame in any of this. I understand your disappointment, I wasn't even nearly quickly enough.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: beanflying on September 29, 2019, 11:41:16 am
I encourage you to take mercy on your reluctant sellers, they aren't to blame in any of this. I understand your disappointment, I wasn't even nearly quickly enough.

Err NO.

Simply put if in business you offer to sell product X for Y this is an offer to contract a sale. Given the widespread low pricing and a spread over a range of platforms the seller/s are at fault either in company with the OEM or without them. If it was a typo or a decimal point slip on one site is one thing this is another entirely.

Trying to get more $ post sale is completely out of order and adding the threat of 'slow refund or else' to cancel a sale shows morally dubious character by the seller/s.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: sokoloff on September 29, 2019, 11:46:44 am
I encourage you to take mercy on your reluctant sellers, they aren't to blame in any of this. I understand your disappointment, I wasn't even nearly quickly enough.
That mercy takes the form of whatever the platform policy on refunds from a seller unilaterally canceling the sale after they chose the product, chose the price, made the offer, and took the order.

I won’t be canceling the order as “no longer required” or paying more. If they discover that their supply chain isn’t equipped to complete the offer they proposed and I accepted, they can take their lumps from their error.

IMO, they are absolutely responsible for their listings.

Every bit like they’d take their profits when things go to plan. It’s part of being in business. At the very end of the chain are credit card chargebacks as the ultimate backstop, but I suspect it won’t come to that because I’m sure Ali is much harder on sellers who have successful chargebacks than those who simply cancel orders as “choose not to fulfill”.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: amspire on September 29, 2019, 11:50:48 am
Dhgate is further down the supply chain.  Likely they are resellers of resellers.  My feel is either there is no stock, they can't deliver and have to pay the non-delivery penalty, or their sources have only the more expensive goods to offer.  The rejects have tiers too.  Lowest tiers are only good for part savage.
The different AliExpress stores seem to have the same items on offer. Of the stores I have tested, if I search for "meters", I get exactly the same result. All the Stores look like they are based on the same design. They all look like the same company.

The DHGate store (Yaseri ) seems to have different items, so it does look like it is different from the AliExpress stores. It is possible Yaseri is completely independent of the AliExpress seller, and could have been screwed by the supplier.

I have now got two of my 26th Sept meters marked as sent (My Cozy Life Store and Hey, Living Store). I order another one on the 27th and one on the 28th and they have not been sent yet, but there is another 8 days of shipping time to go yet.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: FrankBuss on September 29, 2019, 11:53:41 am
They have a website but Google hates it it seems  :-// http://www.aimometer.com (http://www.aimometer.com)

and http://www.aimometer.cn/ (http://www.aimometer.cn/)

Clicking on the link for the meter, which they advertise in the image slideshow on their main page, leads to a 404 webpage. And looks like in "products" it is not listed.

Yep that's what I found too. Seems they have some sort of MASTEK relationship there is some AIMO branded Mastek products out in the wild in particular the anemometer, the Mastek process calibrator is available by the links. Maybe they have considered them slow sellers from a 2015 release or build and have dropped them?

So looks like they are discontinued. This might be the reason why they are sold so cheap. It was probably remainder of stock, unsupported by the manufacturer, and with some flaws, so they got it cheap. This could explain as well why the label was scraped off, because the original company didn't want to get a bad reputation for something that doesn't work perfectly. The expensive eBay shops probably bought it when it was still in production and more expensive.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Psi on September 29, 2019, 12:01:36 pm

They were ordered on the 26th, from My Cozy Life Store and House of Happiness Store.

I have a meter ordered from My Cozy Life Store on the 26th, so I have my fingers crossed. They haven't sent it yet.


Same, my 2 were from My Cozy Life Store and on 26th around 11pm.
Not shipped yet either.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wilfred on September 29, 2019, 12:02:07 pm
I encourage you to take mercy on your reluctant sellers, they aren't to blame in any of this. I understand your disappointment, I wasn't even nearly quickly enough.

I didn't apply pressure to them to make the sale listing. They did completely of their own free will.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Brumby on September 29, 2019, 12:06:22 pm
Insisting to get the order is a very unfair thing to do to the shop owners.
Sorry.  I simply cannot agree with that.

 1. The argument of a pricing error just doesn't stand up to scrutiny.  Too many sellers were offering this thing in a similar price range.
 2. Any seller that presents a certain quantity as being available should be prepared to honour that.  If the cost go down, have no doubt that they would keep the extra.  Likewise, if the cost goes up, they should wear it.

Purchasing your stock is THE most important part of running a business - and if I have gone to the effort of finding a product, choosing a seller, placing an order and paying it in full, then I am expecting the product offered to be delivered.  If not, then WHAT is the point of even trying?

Quote
Most of those who ordered placed their order not because they were actively looking for a calibrator, but because knowing/hoping they'll get some undeserved advantage.
What undeserved advantage?

It would seem there are likely going to be some issues.  Dave's experience indicates that.  As such, a product with such flakiness would not have been able to command full retail - and the batch was probably relegated to a couple of pallets in the back of the warehouse for a few years until someone said "get rid of them".  Flogged off in Shenzhen for a fistful of dollars, subsequent sellers will try and get whatever they can for them.

Those wanting to renegotiate the price are the greedy ones who now find there is a demand and are trying to squeeze more out of the customer.  Either that or they're trying to scare the customer into backing out.

I have no problems calling such people out.

Quote
Legal?  Yes.
Obviously.

Quote
Ethical?  No.
What?  Our insistence on them delivering what was offered?

Sorry.

I won’t be canceling the order as “no longer required” or paying more. If they discover that their supply chain isn’t equipped to complete the offer they proposed and I accepted, they can take their lumps from their error.

IMO, they are absolutely responsible for their listings.
I didn't apply pressure to them to make the sale listing. They did completely of their own free will.
Completely agree with both of these comments.

It was probably remainder of stock, unsupported by the manufacturer, and with some flaws, so they got it cheap. This could explain as well why the label was scraped off, because the original company didn't want to get a bad reputation for something that doesn't work perfectly.
My theory as well.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: TurboTom on September 29, 2019, 12:33:39 pm
BTW, the CS7721CN main multimeter chip used in this instrument appears to be identical with the Fortune Semiconductor FS9721LP3 for which a datasheet (https://www.ic-fortune.com/upload/Download/FS9721_LP3-DS-21_EN.pdf) is available. In case anybody wants to know...  ;)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Bud on September 29, 2019, 12:36:30 pm
You guys never learn, do you. There was a whole Cole Palmer fiasco and before, did not seem to stop you.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Mr_Auto on September 29, 2019, 12:47:38 pm
Just want to point that it's probably one guy, or group of people running multiple stores, they not make much of profit on the items but when they get high reputation on aliexpress they can sell the store itself
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: beanflying on September 29, 2019, 12:48:59 pm
You guys never learn, do you. There was a whole Cole Palmer fiasco and before, did not seem to stop you.

That was a very different case, single supplier and an obvious mis price. Take your attempts at morals and put them and you in a cold shower before it starts!
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Bud on September 29, 2019, 12:58:52 pm
It falls in the same category of free cheese. I am just saying my observation, not teaching morals.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: sokoloff on September 29, 2019, 01:03:34 pm
I'm not going to jump off a bridge if I just get the order(s) refunded, but I do think that it's much murkier for a customer to determine what the "proper" price is for a below-B-stock partially faulty product on Chinese third-party selling platforms than A-stock from a UK distributor.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: finos on September 29, 2019, 01:16:39 pm
hello from Greece all gone , as i see
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Ismsanmar on September 29, 2019, 01:38:43 pm
Just want to point that it's probably one guy, or group of people running multiple stores, they not make much of profit on the items but when they get high reputation on aliexpress they can sell the store itself
More reasons to vote negative to the seller if they don't send the meter tomorrow.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: edy on September 29, 2019, 02:10:11 pm
Thank you Dave for sharing this awesome find!  Nice video! :-+

While I did not take advantage of this opportunity, please keep sharing such discoveries! I don’t know if maybe there can be a thread started or even a place where we can share good bargains like this as people find them.

I sometimes find some good deals at local electronics and surplus places but seeing a product that many of us can buy globally is always nice.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Brumby on September 29, 2019, 03:05:28 pm
It falls in the same category of free cheese. I am just saying my observation, not teaching morals.

Pay closer attention, then.  These units have been shown by Dave to have issues.

Your so-called "free cheese" comment only has any substance if these were first quality items.  Since they do not appear to be first quality - and their de-badging massively reinforces this expectation - then the "free" tag does not represent anything.  They are "cheap cheese" with a price to match.

It's only the reaction to the massive interest (driven by the EEVblog effect) which has woken up the greedy.  They will be in for a massive headache if they ask premium prices for flawed merchandise ... the returns and dissatisfied customers will present a huge impact on their business.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: alex-sh on September 29, 2019, 04:29:05 pm
The cheapest available right now is £185 %)
Not a chance I would pay this money for a cheesy calibrator.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ebclr on September 29, 2019, 05:05:33 pm
They shipped to dave Why they will not ship to us. ?

I'm expecting my shipment to be honored, and case not, A negative for sure, and everybody must do the same.

The unique reason they will not ship is greed, due to some latter johnny paying 60 USD instead of 9, I think 3 times to pay 9, I will never pay 60

It's quite obvious that all this crowd are on emotional buy status, due to the influence of Davie, 80 % of us buyers does not need that and will not pay a higher price, sooner or later they will come back until the miracle stock was gone, for sure somebody is already burned on this thing, And the actual group of sellers for sure have a profit even on the 9 USD range, otherwise they will not advertise.

Don't forget that Chinese hollydays can extend the expectations a little
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: nctnico on September 29, 2019, 05:24:05 pm
Yep,

Now asking for  additional $65.36 to help him cover a loss.

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yaseri 2019-09-29 14:44

Dear friends
Then are you willing to help us make up the difference?
Because our system had an error before
The price before the purchase of this product was wrong.
We just recommend you the product at the same price as the one you paid for.
If you want this product
Can you help us make up $65.36?
This is the lowest price we can give you.
The remaining loss is paid by us
Is this okay?
Please open the link below and put in the number 86
And complete the payment
We will arrange the delivery for you right away.
Thank you
https://www.dhgate.com/product/roadlover-additional-postage-for-express/476686118.html (https://www.dhgate.com/product/roadlover-additional-postage-for-express/476686118.html)


Yes exact same message going to everybody it seems ..... as I detailed in my last post  I just replied saying with the high chance of faults I wasn't willing to pay more than the original price and didn't think the majority of others would either ...... so he was probably looking at a very high % of returns by trying to raise the price ......
So the whole thing is just a mistake in pricing  :popcorn: You can't blame the seller for not sending the item. In the EU a seller isn't obliged to deliver an item if the price is obviously wrong. There have been several court cases where the buyers lost.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: madires on September 29, 2019, 05:38:37 pm
I think it's a case of overbooking. Some reseller has maybe 100 units of the unbranded meter and all the tiny side business shops list the same amount to be in stock, or even more to pretend to be a larger shop. For example, if you have 10 tiny shops they list 10 * 100 = 1000 units in total. After Dave's video a lot of viewers started ordering the meter and the 100 units in stock at the reseller were sold out very quickly. But since each tiny shop lists 100 units they sold more units than available. Not to lose face the tiny shops come up with the "quality issue" or whatever story as excuse. The new price of around US$ 100 is possibly the price of the branded version of the meter for resellers.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: madires on September 29, 2019, 06:04:49 pm
So the whole thing is just a mistake in pricing  :popcorn: You can't blame the seller for not sending the item. In the EU a seller isn't obliged to deliver an item if the price is obviously wrong. There have been several court cases where the buyers lost.

There are two models of the meter, the expensive branded one and a cheap unbranded version (branding removed, possibly units which failed QA checks). Have you noticed the cheap meter's quirks in Dave's video?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: LaserEng on September 29, 2019, 06:07:02 pm
Congrats to anyone who bought this hunk of junk, calibrator  :-DD Was working in process control calibration back in the 90's with higher specc'd gear than this, it's nothing more than a toy, a cheap toy at that  :-DD
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: The Doktor on September 29, 2019, 07:01:55 pm
In case anyone is interested, this is the lowest I was able to find earlier:
https://www.wish.com/product/5d82eea61ac87a107be9016f (https://www.wish.com/product/5d82eea61ac87a107be9016f)
Use the promo code XMRDZNK.

How much discount with that code?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ataradov on September 29, 2019, 07:03:57 pm
How much discount with that code?
100%. Wish is basically guaranteed scam. Seriously, don't give them any money, you won't see it back.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: The Doktor on September 29, 2019, 07:12:45 pm
How much discount with that code?
100%. Wish is basically guaranteed scam. Seriously, don't give them any money, you won't see it back.

Advice taken. Thank you!
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: MT on September 29, 2019, 07:19:54 pm
So the whole thing is just a mistake in pricing  :popcorn: You can't blame the seller for not sending the item. In the EU a seller isn't obliged to deliver an item if the price is obviously wrong. There have been several court cases where the buyers lost.

There are also laws in Europe against "happy pricing practicing" (a tool to lure prospected buyers into place bides then seller trims up pricing process in current bid process and or over time in multiple process). And there are laws against the opposite practice called "usury". Then you have the 14 day regret of purchase EU law (distant purchasing) that Batronix and others use in which purchaser have no idea if the device you bought is new from the factory or a circulated B-stock. I have had correspondence with EU law people who deals with this law and it is confirmed by them to be a gray zone law.
A deal is a deal when both seller and buyer are in agreement.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ciccio on September 29, 2019, 07:55:08 pm
About www.dhgate.com :
Never heard of them, so I was trying to access the site, just for curiosity.
 I had access problems, (the page did not open) then this new homepage appeared (see attached image) :
Translation : Access to this site from Italy has been locked by Guardia di Finanza (Italy's Financial Police) - Special Unit for Technological Fraud

I hope Dave will appreciate the knife in Police's logo.
Best regards
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: John Forsters Son on September 29, 2019, 08:29:45 pm
multifuction process calibrator Dave. I bout a new  Hantek Dso5102p  on Ebay For $20.00 on Jun 8th. Frome someone in Hong Kong. Did you buy this clibraitor at about that time or just after? If so I think I know the story!
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: John Forsters Son on September 29, 2019, 08:43:56 pm
Dave. I bout a new  Hantek Dso5102p  on Ebay For $20.00 on Jun 8th. Frome someone in Hong Kong. Did you buy this clibraitor at about that time or just after? If so I think I know the story!
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: jancumps on September 29, 2019, 09:00:55 pm
AliExpress and other small online shops does not have stock.

- The end customer place an online order to a small shop.
- After the payment was approved, the small shop place a centralized order to the warehouse.

At this point it is very clear that the warehouse changed the price, so the price jumped about 5-10 times over night.  A small shop will not have money to take the hit, so they will try to mitigate the loss.  No matter what, the shop will take some damage, either in money or in reputation.

Insisting to get the order is a very unfair thing to do to the shop owners.  Most of those who ordered placed their order not because they were actively looking for a calibrator, but because knowing/hoping they'll get some undeserved advantage.

Legal?  Yes.
Ethical?  No.
I think it’s ethical as a customer to buy online from small shops and keep them accountable for the price + shipment costs they published online.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Mortymore on September 29, 2019, 09:43:57 pm

They were ordered on the 26th, from My Cozy Life Store and House of Happiness Store.

I have a meter ordered from My Cozy Life Store on the 26th, so I have my fingers crossed. They haven't sent it yet.


Same, my 2 were from My Cozy Life Store and on 26th around 11pm.
Not shipped yet either.

I also bought mine from My Cozy Life Store on 26th 05:40, and got a tracking number on 28th 22:20.

But... recently I had a delivery stopped for unknown reasons about one week after supposedly shipped from an Aliexpres store. I requested an immediate refund when I realise that. Not that I was warned.
Only when it arrives, I'll take it for granted.
Lets wait and see  :popcorn:
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kjelt on September 29, 2019, 10:02:21 pm
Probably the only few already in stock items will be shipped and the rest will be cancelled.
But lets wait what events will take place.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: slobans on September 29, 2019, 10:36:36 pm
same thing here.seller tonehiny from dhgate offering some shitty blue multimeter as a substitute...
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Electro Detective on September 29, 2019, 10:52:47 pm

6 pages in already, and it looks like everyone's about to get rolled and or consider chasing their money back = time wasted and blown NMD  :-DMM expectations   :(

DJ may wanna consider taking a calculated punt next time in a similar situation,

give the cheap item a good thrashing in the lab first to confirm it's a goer,

buy up the lot at nine dollar before the mass panic clickage run begins :scared: :scared: :scared:

flog them all here for twenty dollar plus shipping in a 'Gone In 60 seconds..' manner,

and unlikely anyone will beef about the price markup,  especially when DJ is the one risking his cash on a bulk buy,
gambling that the arriving stock equals the initial sample,

if it arrives at all, because junks can develop leaks and sink, and or get pirated on the high seas to OZ..  >:D

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Bud on September 29, 2019, 11:24:55 pm

6 pages in already, and it looks like everyone's about to get rolled and or consider chasing their money back = time wasted and blown NMD  :-DMM expectations   :(
Now THAT is the EEVBlog Effect.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: beanflying on September 30, 2019, 01:31:03 am
And the form letter reply from DHGate seemingly not read anything I typed but going down the path of least resistance  :-- Needless to say I replied politely and firmly asking the to actually read what is being said by their 'Trusted Supplier'.

And yes the Englishified Name is as written  ::)

Quote
Good day and thanks for contacting DHgate Customer Service.

At DHgate.com customer satisfaction is something that we take very seriously and would never compromise under any circumstances.
 
I have checked on your order and base on the records in our system, I see here that your seller is still preparing your order and making sure that it is in good quality before they shipped it to you. The tracking number will be available on or before 2019-10-09 09:08 Beijing time as the seller's given shipping deadline. Since the seller is refusing to honor the contract which we really don't allow on our website, we suggest that you cancel this order and re-order it to a guaranteed seller and make sure to inquire to the seller first before placing the order.

Here are the steps on how to cancel the order before Shipping:

1.) Log on to DHgate.com.
2.) Click on "My DHgate" located on the top part of the page and click "Orders" tab.
3.) Click on "Awaiting Shipment"
4.) Look for the order and click on "Request Refund"
5.) Select the reason "Items no longer required", and then click on the "Submit" button.

Please make sure to use a computer and use a web browser to access DHgate website so that you can open the dispute by following the steps mentioned above.

When requesting refund, we highly recommend that you contact your seller first so that they can be aware that you want to cancel this order and request a refund. Kindly give them the reason as well so that they could respond accordingly to your request.

Please wait for the seller to accept the request within 7 days. If the seller ignores your request, you will be automatically refunded by the system on the 8th day.

At the same time, we really appreciate you for letting us know about your concern with your seller. Rest assured that we will take actions on this and make sure that you won't be dealing with this kind of problem again with these sellers because here on our site we don't tolerate seller like them.

We appreciate your trust in DHGate.com, and we will do our best to give you the utmost service you deserve. If you have any other question, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Regards,

Daffy

Customer Service Center
DHgate.com
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Dread on September 30, 2019, 06:22:16 am
Lol I would have bought one for $10 just for giggles, but Daves video made it pretty clear that this thing was not going to be used by me for any kind of real work.  I bet a total nob bought them out as Dave suggested and had no idea of what he could get for them.  The sudden rush of orders probably kick started his little Ferngi brain. I suspect he will probably void all the orders and these things will pop up on another source like eBay for $50. 
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: blargg on September 30, 2019, 06:36:00 am
And the form letter reply from DHGate seemingly not read anything I typed but going down the path of least resistance  :-- Needless to say I replied politely and firmly asking the to actually read what is being said by their 'Trusted Supplier'.

And yes the Englishified Name is as written  ::)

Quote
Since the seller is refusing to honor the contract which we really don't allow on our website, we suggest that you cancel this order and re-order it to a guaranteed seller and make sure to inquire to the seller first before placing the order.
[...]

5.) Select the reason "Items no longer required", and then click on the "Submit" button.

What BS. Even dhgate suggests that you pretend that you changed your mind rather than following their stated policy of full refund plus $20 bonus credit. And they also suggest that you contact the seller first to be sure they really are selling the item they have listed. It's like they have no confidence in their system or seller standards.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: beanflying on September 30, 2019, 08:46:49 am
So I am a bad person for insisting on the supplier complete the contract of sale instead of their solution of no fault (and no dip to the feedback score  :horse: ) a refund  :box:

No reply from DHGate so I gather they are on holiday until later in the week.

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Electro Detective on September 30, 2019, 09:55:28 am

Ferengis have to take a day off too occasionally for a rest (counting money) and ear massage

IIRC these aqua process meters were trying to dent the Fluke foothold a while back = didn't happen and won't happen,
no one into process work is going to be taken seriously doing the 4-20ma thing rocking up with a knockoff iffy CAL aqua colored meter  ??? ::)

I reckon it started as a genuine clearance, and well, someone changed their mind after watching DJ's video
and think they are sitting on a soon to be sought after meter =  :palm:

@ Ferengi: do yourselves and all potential future comeback customers a BIG favor
and flog the suckers for nine dollar to the peaved punters here, and move on..  :popcorn:


 
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Xenoamor on September 30, 2019, 11:28:04 am
Even dhgate suggests that you pretend that you changed your mind rather than following their stated policy of full refund plus $20 bonus credit.

Where's this $20 credit mentioned on the dhgate website?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: JackJones on September 30, 2019, 11:39:01 am
Even dhgate suggests that you pretend that you changed your mind rather than following their stated policy of full refund plus $20 bonus credit.

Where's this $20 credit mentioned on the dhgate website?

http://help.dhgate.com/help/buyerhelpen.php?catid=3902#help_php-indexleft-20 (http://help.dhgate.com/help/buyerhelpen.php?catid=3902#help_php-indexleft-20)

Quote
These rules do not apply to situation where the buyer cancelled the order because of items not now required.

I think I might have figured out why the sellers wanted people in this thread to choose that particular reason for cancellation.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: member_xyz on September 30, 2019, 11:47:30 am
DHgate Seller Guarantee
Return & refund Guarantee

http://help.dhgate.com/help/buyerhelpen.php?catid=3902#help_php-indexleft-20 (http://help.dhgate.com/help/buyerhelpen.php?catid=3902#help_php-indexleft-20)

Quote
Dispatch Pledge” service


Our Dispatch Pledge Guarantee applies to any product that is included as part of our Guarantee and includes the following conditions:
• When the seller does not dispatch the goods within the agreed processing time, our system will automatically return payment to the buyer and also deduct US $20 from the seller’s account to compensate the buyer;
• When the seller provides an invalid tracking number. In this case, upon notification from buyer, on his/her behalf, we will investigate the complaint. Once we have confirmed the tracking number to be invalid, sellers will be required to upload a valid tracking number at a specific time and if they are not able to do so, our system will deduct US $30 from the seller’s account to compensate the buyer.
These rules do not apply to situation where the buyer cancelled the order because of items not now required.

Dispatch Pledge (Special Condition)

If a customer places multiple orders for the same product to be shipped to the same address within a narrow timeframe (e.g. one month), these orders will be treated as one order if a seller violates our Dispatch Pledge Guarantee.

In such an instance, compensation to the buyer will be as follows:
• The seller does not dispatch the goods: $20
• The seller provides an invalid tracking number: $30

FAQs
1.If I cancel my order with or without negotiation with the seller, can I still apply for extra compensation?

No. Extra compensation is not awarded in cases where the buyer has cancelled the order.

2.What should I do if I think the tracking number the seller provided is invalid?


FAQs
1.If I cancel my order with or without negotiation with the seller, can I still apply for extra compensation?

No. Extra compensation is not awarded in cases where the buyer has cancelled the order.

No wonder they want the buyer to cancel the order.
Will see what happens in 10 days if they fail to ship.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: NANDBlog on September 30, 2019, 11:54:25 am
Order time: 01:50 Sep. 27 2019
(before video was out)
 Will be shipped within: 7 days 20 hours 58 minutes
(probably I never get the meter)

This is one way to do marketing. This company got more airtime and discussion than it would ever would've get.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kosmic on September 30, 2019, 01:52:46 pm
Just wait  :) There's a holiday in China right now. Probably going to take some times before they ship. Not unusual to take sometimes on aliexpress.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Per Hansson on September 30, 2019, 03:34:26 pm
I ordered from "KingPet Market Store" just an hour or two after Dave released the video to Patreons.
Mine now shows up as shipped with a working tracking number.
I did pay an extra $9 for express shipping via "Fedex IP" but according to Aliexpress the seller used TNT.
In any case so far it looks alright.
It does look like the tracking number is a regular China Post one though.
I guess that is one way to recoup a bit of cost, in any case I'm fine as long as I get my two meters :)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: FrankBuss on September 30, 2019, 03:54:26 pm
Looks like my seller "Sturdy Tool&Lighting Store" is working during the holidays as well, and they could fix the "quality inspection department test" problem. I like the Unicode eyes :)

(https://i.imgur.com/j5x01eC.png)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Brumby on September 30, 2019, 03:58:18 pm
I ordered from "KingPet Market Store" just an hour or two after Dave released the video to Patreons.
Mine now shows up as shipped with a working tracking number.
I did pay an extra $9 for express shipping via "Fedex IP" but according to Aliexpress the seller used TNT.
In any case so far it looks alright.
It does look like the tracking number is a regular China Post one though.
I guess that is one way to recoup a bit of cost, in any case I'm fine as long as I get my two meters :)

All the good looking "signals" aren't what counts.  Let us know when your purchase turns up.

Mine is still in the "awaiting shipping" stage.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kjelt on September 30, 2019, 07:15:58 pm
Worst case they ship a $5 meter, when you claim a dispute they will return the money, that way they loose less than actually fullfilling the order.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thm_w on September 30, 2019, 09:32:50 pm
I'd be perfectly fine with it... If they weren't lying to me. This also doesn't seem to be a Dave thing other than he helped drive demand. These people obviously weren't LOSING money or they wouldn't have listed them at these prices. Instead it seems they've decided they can get more money for them.

This is a large, heavy meter. I'm 99% sure they are losing money on the shipping costs (when its $1-2), probably out $2-5 or so.
Whether or not they lost enough to lose money overall on the $9 sale though, I assume not.

Quote
Net Dimensions (cm)    20.8*10.4*4.5
Net Weight (kg)    0.54

I think there will be a lot more cancellations when the AliExpress seller gets back to work from National Day.
I don't see a weight listed for the meter, but it looks like a heavy enough package that the cost of shipping would be more than the price charged.
Just another price mistake...

Yeah, I think it would be close to it, see above claimed dimensions from one seller.

Worst case they ship a $5 meter, when you claim a dispute they will return the money, that way they loose less than actually fullfilling the order.

They can just not ship it within the timeline and let it auto-refund. Of course they are penalized for that, but AFAIK probably the same or not as much as for shipping out a fake item.

Dave. I bout a new  Hantek Dso5102p  on Ebay For $20.00 on Jun 8th. Frome someone in Hong Kong. Did you buy this clibraitor at about that time or just after? If so I think I know the story!

You will never get the item, tons of fake sellers on Ebay, many threads about this here.


Some notes from the previous thread:
Quote from: amspire
That PIC processor includes a LCD driver, and the multimeter IC has its LCD driver.

Is it a real 2 in 1 in that the LCD is driven by 2 different chips depending on the mode? That would mean the PIC chip firmware is limited to measuring and sourcing the 0-20V, 0-24mA. It is probably fairly simple firmware. You could change the PIC firmware without having to know how the multimeter chip works.

Also body is same of that of MS8218, but internals are almost completely different: https://lygte-info.dk/review/DMMMastech%20MS8218%20UK.html
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Electro Detective on September 30, 2019, 11:15:14 pm

"Dear Friend, we solly to all VEEblog member for big mitsake in this meter.

We upgrade to Widnows 10 and online shop is go north and much data lost


But good news we have plenty more new meter coming in our store,
some is orange color like Fluke with biggest display, why is spend more?

Quote this number on next buy for good dicsount: 0055666

Thank you for understand

The BS Team at Brightest Star Electronic


PS: our computer is dual boot with Win 7 and Win 10 now, so maybe now is no more problem"

--------------

Giggles aside folks, I doubt many of you will see these meters anytime before 3019, 
so try and get your dough back asap, 
and avoid messing with sellers Feedback at Ebay,
the sellers will get very protective, and well, think about that for a minute,
some/all may scuttle their webshops and start over, and you will lose money,
and perhaps on other unrelated gear on order with them too, and their 'affiliated' stores   

i.e. let it slide this one time, I doubt it will happen again any time soon

just sayin..  :)

 
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ataradov on September 30, 2019, 11:21:10 pm
See, Fluke told you that the best thing about their meters is orange color. And now that we have cheap meters in the same color, why spend more indeed? :)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maginnovision on September 30, 2019, 11:40:39 pm
I love my orange fluke equipment.


"Dear Friend, we solly to all VEEblog member for big mitsake in this meter.
We upgrade to Widnows 10 and online shop is go north and much data lost
But good news we have plenty more new meter coming in our store,
some is orange color like Fluke with biggest display, why is spend more?

Quote this number on next buy for good dicsount: 0055666
Thank you for understand
The BS Team at Brightest Star Electronic
PS: our computer is dual boot with Win 7 and Win 10 now, so maybe now is no more problem"

--------------

Giggles aside folks, I doubt many of you will see these meters anytime before 3019, 
so try and get your dough back asap, 
and avoid messing with sellers Feedback at Ebay,
the sellers will get very protective, and well, think about that for a minute,
some/all may scuttle their webshops and start over, and you will lose money,
and perhaps on other unrelated gear on order with them too, and their 'affiliated' stores   

i.e. let it slide this one time, I doubt it will happen again any time soon

just sayin..  :)

 

If I never have a single one show up and never get my 30 dollars back... I'll be ok. I've lost much more than $30 on a bet.  :-DD
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Nusa on October 01, 2019, 12:06:10 am

-snip-

Giggles aside folks, I doubt many of you will see these meters anytime before 3019, 
so try and get your dough back asap, 
and avoid messing with sellers Feedback at Ebay,
the sellers will get very protective, and well, think about that for a minute,
some/all may scuttle their webshops and start over, and you will lose money,
and perhaps on other unrelated gear on order with them too, and their 'affiliated' stores   

i.e. let it slide this one time, I doubt it will happen again any time soon

just sayin..  :)

Except we aren't talking about Ebay scams, where the seller gets the money before you get the product. Which means Ebay sometimes has to eat the cost of refunds under their buyer protection policies when vendors disappear like that. Which in turn means that Ebay wins somewhat by slowing the refund process, hoping legitimate claims are abandoned.

Aliexpress, on the other hand, runs an escrow system with money, and are very good about returning money to buyers in obvious cases like non-delivery. The seller doesn't get their hands on the cash until after the sale is considered final, with confirmation from the buyer or expiration of the delivery timeout if the buyer never responds. So while vendors may rebirth one of their stores to escape a soiled reputation, they don't get to take your money with them. And it costs them time and money to establish that reputation. And leaves a lot of power in the buyers hands, unless the buyers give up that power....hence the silly message attempts by vendors to get the buyers to do just that.

In this case, if vendors never report shipping paperwork to Ali, the refund process will happen automatically when the shipping timeout occurs. Which will happen in just over week for most of these unfilled orders.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: FrankBuss on October 01, 2019, 12:08:49 am
and avoid messing with sellers Feedback at Ebay,
the sellers will get very protective, and well, think about that for a minute,
some/all may scuttle their webshops and start over, and you will lose money,

Usually it is no problem to get the money back if you don't get the goods, because of the Paypal buyer protection. I didn't need this for eBay so far, but I had a few times problems with broken electronics, or lost in transit, and the seller always refunded.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: beanflying on October 01, 2019, 12:28:55 am
From DHgate Customer Service. What part of this is not a refund case or am I going to 'negotiate' a higher price don't they understand  :palm: Just realized there is no way to reply to this message seems case closed  :wtf:

Quote
Good day and thanks for getting back to us. I understand that but we are just giving this option to cancel the order because for sure the seller will not ship it if they cannot get the additional payment. Since you really wanted to get the item, we suggest you to try and negotiate with the seller how you both wanted this order to be since you wanted them to honor what they posted as the price on the product and the seller wants you to pay for additional.

If you will be paying for additional fees make sure to have the transaction through DHgate. To do this, kindly ask your seller to place a new listing for an "item" which is equivalent to your additional charges. Once your seller placed the listing for this "item", kindly pay for it and the payment will be forwarded to your seller. That way, if there is still some issue with regards to this additional charge, we can still assist you in resolving it for you.

Rest assured that everything is dealt with utmost urgency and we appreciate your trust in DHgate.com. Should you have any other concerns please do not hesitate to contact us.

Regards,

Daffy
Customer Service Center
DHgate.com

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Scottjd on October 01, 2019, 03:04:29 am
Looks like I didn’t get notified of the message from the seller. They are claiming the same as most of these posts.
hi friend
hope you are well .
kind reminder the item you ordered is still under producing ,
would you like change to attached new style ?
it's really nice and hot selling , hope you like it .
thanks , we waiting for your feedback .


I find it funny they claimed the meter was still under production considering I tested a beta of this meter back in 2016. After seeing Dave’s video I decided to order one to see if they are selling the same design I tested out of curiosity. Instead they offered me a cheap meter, not sure I want to deal with the seller or site for a refund and endless emails with excuses or lies. I may just do a charge back based on the bait and switch.

So looks like they are discontinued. This might be the reason why they are sold so cheap. It was probably remainder of stock, unsupported by the manufacturer, and with some flaws, so they got it cheap. This could explain as well why the label was scraped off, because the original company didn't want to get a bad reputation for something that doesn't work perfectly. The expensive eBay shops probably bought it when it was still in production and more expensive.
Probably, my test unit I think had the AMOS label in the spot these are scratched off. The one I tested had a flaw in the protection and never clamped down. It actually measured 2.3kV DC before the chip had an internal short and the meter failed after that. It came with a ton of solder balls I removed before testing it and even in 2016 I was told it’s a pre-production model and this would be fixed. One button didn’t work, the USB part also didn’t work, and finicky switch and did not meet the claimed specs on half the functions.
I guess I won’t find out if it’s the same one from 2016 now.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wilfred on October 01, 2019, 03:16:03 am
I read under producing as in short supply.

I also think the experience of these sellers of cheap multimeters who probably deal with all sort of buyers. I would not be surprised to learn a significant proportion of buyers who merely wanted a cheap DMM would take up the offer.

From the sellers POV it has to be worth a try. The customer may be happy. Sure, EEVblog forum members wouldn't be.

Further, I have no reason to think the sellers have a clue about this particular device. They turn over stock as fast as possible. The shop I ordered from clearly had this as an ill fit with the rest of the range.  I also think there is no way they listed these at less than their supply cost.

In a cutthroat environment at the bottom of the retail foodchain they have evolved to survive and they do it skillfully. I respect that. But I'll still claim a refund.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: bitman on October 01, 2019, 03:51:59 am
I had no idea Italy had a great firewall ....
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: BradC on October 01, 2019, 04:03:39 am
I ordered two from "Twinkled House E-business CO.,Ltd Store" at : 23:50 Sep. 27 2019

Marked as posted with a legit looking (but not trackable) EMS number at : 2019-09-30 03:15:09

We'll see.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Brumby on October 01, 2019, 06:38:20 am
The best I found at the time were from "Manbo life Store".

I have 2 still waiting for shipment.  No activity and no communication since placing the order.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wilfred on October 01, 2019, 07:31:38 am
The best I found at the time were from "Manbo life Store".

I have 2 still waiting for shipment.  No activity and no communication since placing the order.
Same here. I shall be interested in your experience.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Psi on October 01, 2019, 07:47:28 am
The best I found at the time were from "Manbo life Store".

I have 2 still waiting for shipment.  No activity and no communication since placing the order.
Same here. I shall be interested in your experience.

Same here too.

My guess is nothing is going to happen, in 7 days when the shipping time frame expires it will auto refund me.
I know some people have had their meters ship from that store, but i suspect those were the last of what the store actually had in stock.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Fungus on October 01, 2019, 09:21:22 am
I hope Dave will appreciate the knife in Police's logo.

That looks like a bayonet for AK-47.

Weird... with all the pretty knives they make in Italy, why would they use a US Marine Corp Ka-Bar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ka-Bar) in their logo?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wilfred on October 01, 2019, 09:34:38 am


Same here too.

My guess is nothing is going to happen, in 7 days when the shipping time frame expires it will auto refund me.
I know some people have had their meters ship from that store, but i suspect those were the last of what the store actually had in stock.

Did they have any in stock? I hadn't heard about dropshipping before this. Apparently stores can hold no stock at all and just acquire what they need as orders arrive. Which fits with the 10 days to ship countdown. The current celebrations in China do complicate things a bit since I don't know the normal Aliexpress shipping time under normal circumstances.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Psi on October 01, 2019, 10:57:26 am
Did they have any in stock? I hadn't heard about dropshipping before this. Apparently stores can hold no stock at all and just acquire what they need as orders arrive.

A lot of the time they keep a small quantity at the store for easy of shipping but show their suppliers stock level on the web.
It's not really drop-shipping. The supplier isn't shipping it.
Remember, a lot of it is in Shenzhen markets where there's many 10 story buildings which are top to bottom packed with tiny electronics stores.
The store will have many suppliers on various other levels of the building he's in, and other buildings nearby. 
If he runs out of stock in his store he simply goes around collecting what he needs from the stores nearby.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Psi on October 01, 2019, 11:04:43 am
The current celebrations in China do complicate things a bit since I don't know the normal Aliexpress shipping time under normal circumstances.

Shipping time is usually 2-4 days.

Given that there's a holiday from Oct 1 - 7 you might want to go and extend your shipping time by some days so it doesn't expire while no one is actually there to ship it.  Its an option on your order page.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kjelt on October 01, 2019, 12:31:02 pm
Dave should have checked the chinese holidays before releasing the news  ;D
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ciccio on October 01, 2019, 01:27:11 pm
I had no idea Italy had a great firewall ....
For what I know, Communications Police or Customs may signal a site who is offending the law to a Prosecutor's office, who can order to block (obscure) the site to all Italians ISP's by redirecting the site's DNS to this page.
Users may circumvent this using a VPN or a browser like THOR (I did, just for curiosity).
I heard the reason for blocking many Chinese sites is the sale of fake goods, such as waches or bags.
Italians sites are obscured when they sell stolen products, or when they get the money without delivering the goods (eg: Hey, you won a 1000 Euros Iphone, please send 100 Euros for delivery and assurance, and I wiill disapperar)
EDIT : I've checked now and www.dhgate.com is still obscured, but www.it.dhgate.com is on-line.
Don't know what happened.
The meter is offered at about 100 Euros for the unbranded version, 200 - 250 Euros for the branded one
Best regards
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: GadgetBoy on October 01, 2019, 09:35:59 pm
I missed the opportunity. :

Anyone have an extra? ;P
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Samueru on October 02, 2019, 04:06:23 am
From DHgate Customer Service. What part of this is not a refund case or am I going to 'negotiate' a higher price don't they understand  :palm: Just realized there is no way to reply to this message seems case closed  :wtf:

Quote
Good day and thanks for getting back to us. I understand that but we are just giving this option to cancel the order because for sure the seller will not ship it if they cannot get the additional payment. Since you really wanted to get the item, we suggest you to try and negotiate with the seller how you both wanted this order to be since you wanted them to honor what they posted as the price on the product and the seller wants you to pay for additional.

If you will be paying for additional fees make sure to have the transaction through DHgate. To do this, kindly ask your seller to place a new listing for an "item" which is equivalent to your additional charges. Once your seller placed the listing for this "item", kindly pay for it and the payment will be forwarded to your seller. That way, if there is still some issue with regards to this additional charge, we can still assist you in resolving it for you.

Rest assured that everything is dealt with utmost urgency and we appreciate your trust in DHgate.com. Should you have any other concerns please do not hesitate to contact us.

Regards,

Daffy
Customer Service Center
DHgate.com


Well, that's one place I will never buy from.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Chen Li on October 02, 2019, 04:11:10 am
The October 1st is the National's Day of China, maybe there was such a big sale. Next big sale will be the November 11th, a crazy shopping festival in China.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Chen Li on October 02, 2019, 04:19:04 am
Or this will end up nothing but a meanningless coupon. I think they wont ship out the multimeter anyway. To be honest, maybe its some kind sale strategy. They give you a coupon to buy other stuff.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: BravoV on October 02, 2019, 04:42:40 am
Question regarding Aliexpress transaction, once the shipping/processing time is due (not going to extend it), and the auto refund is done, do we have a chance to give feedback ? Or no opportunity at all like a done/completed transaction.

Never experienced this kind of condition as all my previous transactions were shipped.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: filipg on October 02, 2019, 03:10:37 pm
"A disastrous test of the process calibrator AMPX1" from Sep 2017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAa-OGt-DVU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAa-OGt-DVU)

This blogger (Cyrob) bought an officially branded AMPX1 unit for over 100€ in 2017, identical design to the one tested by Dave. It had plenty of issues, like the battery connectors not connecting to the PCB, and the calibrator functionalities totally out of specs.
Seems like Aimo had quality problems, and needed to 'unbrand' and dump a batch of their meters.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: TnF on October 02, 2019, 07:24:02 pm
let's hope another batch comes up;p
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ebclr on October 02, 2019, 08:26:50 pm
If returned due to timeout no feedback aloweed
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thm_w on October 02, 2019, 08:55:45 pm
Tracking number just updated as processed. Seems someone is still working, although other companies I've spoken to are completely shut down from Oct 1 to 6th. Likely it shipped long before today and just was not scanned yet.
"02.10.2019 16:06 International item mailed in originating country"

If returned due to timeout no feedback aloweed

yep, it wouldn't be relevant feedback because you never got the item. Of course the seller gets some kind of internal negative mark, not sure of the details.

edit: changed info on tracking.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: mnementh on October 02, 2019, 09:49:56 pm
Just checked in on my Sept 26 order from “House of Happiness” on AliEx; not shipped.

Given the complication of the holiday til Oct 7, I decided to NOT let them off the hook and extended the processing time 10 days; then messaged them to please contact me ASAP if they cannot fulfill this order and to please note payment for expedited shipping.

We’ll see what happens. :o

mnem
Hopefully I’ll have touched down somewhere by then...
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: amspire on October 02, 2019, 10:54:20 pm
Just checked in on my Sept 26 order from “House of Happiness” on AliEx; not shipped.
The meters ordered on the 26th had only 4 days shipping set and they shipped on the 29th. Tracking seems to show parcels moving through the mail system. The ones ordered on the 27th and later had the shipping time to extend past October the 7th, so hopefully, the meters will ship on the 8th. I have another item on order and it is exactly the same. The sellers or maybe AliExpress deliberately extended the shipping period because of the holidays.

They haven't done anything wrong yet so I am not sending any messages myself.

Richard.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Smokey on October 03, 2019, 01:13:17 am
Dave might want to update the first post here.   Only some of the stores show "GONE", and it sure appears that this party is officially over now.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Bud on October 03, 2019, 01:47:25 am
. Next big sale will be the November 11th, a crazy shopping festival in China.
Yep, only crazy people would shop for anything from China on that day .
Sorry could not resist  :-DD
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ataradov on October 03, 2019, 01:49:29 am
Yep, only crazy people would shop for anything from China on that day .
Sorry could not resist  :-DD
I feel like 11/11 is even bigger scam than amazon prime day. Every year I try to see if there are any actual deals, and I'm coming up short.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: magore on October 03, 2019, 04:30:15 pm
Managed to order one from amazon.ca the day after Daves announcment - intestingly only google found it - an amazon search did not find it. Anyway it has been shipped - should be here in a few days. I will report more when it shows up. It was still at the low cost value about $17 cdn
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: gnavigator1007 on October 03, 2019, 05:17:14 pm
Still listed but only ships to Canada from China. Check out the "color" options  :-DD

https://www.amazon.ca/Accuracy-Mulitifuction-Process-Calibrator-MultiMeter/dp/B07V33V5Z1/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?keywords=process%2Bcalibrator&qid=1570122232&s=gateway&sprefix=process%2Bc&sr=8-2&th=1&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.ca/Accuracy-Mulitifuction-Process-Calibrator-MultiMeter/dp/B07V33V5Z1/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?keywords=process%2Bcalibrator&qid=1570122232&s=gateway&sprefix=process%2Bc&sr=8-2&th=1&psc=1)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wraper on October 03, 2019, 05:18:07 pm
Yep, only crazy people would shop for anything from China on that day .
Sorry could not resist  :-DD
I feel like 11/11 is even bigger scam than amazon prime day. Every year I try to see if there are any actual deals, and I'm coming up short.
Yeah, if you snapshot prices prior to that, you may find that goods got 50% 'discount' but not actual price decrease.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: magore on October 03, 2019, 05:48:35 pm
Yes, i noticed the colour options. - thought that was an funny/odd way off choosing differing products the vender sells , notice the prices when choosing them.... The seller reviews were not great , but why not I thought, not a huge price to make a gamble.
I used fast shipping so by early next week i should have at least something  :scared:, currently has been shipped
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: innkeeper on October 04, 2019, 12:10:01 am
:scared: WARNING WILL ROBINSON :scared:

I got the following message from the DHGATE seller yaseri

Code: [Select]
hi friend
hope you are well .
kind reminder the item you ordered is still under producing ,
would you like change to attached new style ?
it's really nice and hot selling , hope you like it .
thanks , we waiting for your feedback .
the following attachments:
(http://i.imgur.com/mPXru4mm.jpg) (https://imgur.com/mPXru4m)
(http://i.imgur.com/VX3v03rm.jpg) (https://imgur.com/VX3v03r)

edit to add seller name
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: VK3DRB on October 04, 2019, 01:40:35 am
Quote
Sent Dhgate a notice with some details asking them to get involved so see what comes back tomorrow.

Have sent message to DHgate customer service.
Stating that seller changed mind after the sale and wants much more money now to ship the product, breach of sales contract.

Not expecting anything more than a refund.

Nothing personal about these sellers, but they need to learn and pay consequences for dishonest behavior.

Not only in China.

A company here in Australia called Kogan sold me a phone, took my money immediately online, issued a receipt, then a day later emailed me stating they changed their mind and would refund my money, unless I wanted to pay more for the phone. It took almost a month to get the money back from Kogan. On an earlier occasion they sold me an Android phone which was not what I ordered. It had a South African Telco's firmware in it that could not be removed, even by rooting the O/S. No refund. They violated Australian consumer law on both occasions. My suggestion is do not buy anything from Kogan, or any company the CEO Ruslan Kogan is involved in such as Dick Smith. Some say you get what you pay for but in Kogan's case you'd be lucky to get that.

I missed out on the meter, but bad luck. I am not upset at all as I was on cruise ship in the middle of the ocean where there was no Internet. It was refreshing being disconnected, and being with 2,600 holiday makers, none of whom had their heads bowed to their mobile phone.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wilfred on October 04, 2019, 01:45:49 am
What is the advice on extending the Aliexpress awaiting shipment processing time? What happens if it runs out and I don't extend?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: rjp on October 04, 2019, 01:50:24 am
What is the advice on extending the Aliexpress awaiting shipment processing time? What happens if it runs out and I don't extend?


If it hasnt shipped by their waiting time, I just claim the refund and move on - Aliexpress is good like that.  If they havent shipped within those weeks, Its suspect they ever will.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wilfred on October 04, 2019, 02:02:11 am
I asked mainly because of the holiday celebration week in China at tha moment. I've already been told 10 days is unusually long for Aliexpress processing time but I didn't know what to expect. I order very occasionally from Aliexpress.

After three days the money has been taken from my Visa so whether that is simply unconnected to delivery and happens automatically I don't know.

At the moment I don't have the same reasons to doubt I'll ever get it that the DHgate people do.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: rjp on October 04, 2019, 02:07:46 am
I asked mainly because of the holiday celebration week in China at tha moment. I've already been told 10 days is unusually long for Aliexpress processing time but I didn't know what to expect. I order very occasionally from Aliexpress.

After three days the money has been taken from my Visa so whether that is simply unconnected to delivery and happens automatically I don't know.

At the moment I don't have the same reasons to doubt I'll ever get it that the DHgate people do.

They take the money out to confirm its a legitimate payment but dont give it to the store until the rest of the transaction completes, so normally (in my experience) they are good with refunds because they dont have any skin in the game.
 

If its only $10 on a one off item, I spose their is not much risk and no harm to wait.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: BravoV on October 04, 2019, 02:16:54 am
Just checked in on my Sept 26 order from “House of Happiness” on AliEx; not shipped.

Given the complication of the holiday til Oct 7, I decided to NOT let them off the hook and extended the processing time 10 days; then messaged them to please contact me ASAP if they cannot fulfill this order and to please note payment for expedited shipping.

We’ll see what happens. :o

mnem
Hopefully I’ll have touched down somewhere by then...

Same store with 2 ordered.

Financially, the paid money is no biggie personally, and it will get returned eventually should they're not honoring the transaction by not shipping it.

But the plan is, I will extend the processing time, but only once.

If they keep doing that not shipping it at the 1st extended time, then I'll let the system fall back and process the refund.

Since there is no transaction (refunded), and I can not give feedback, I hope "others" will do this too, with the consideration if one or two rejected transactions are nothing, but when it comes to so many rejected transactions like us, I guess it will notify Aliexpress to sort of give negative valuation to the shop.

Wish many will do the same.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: innkeeper on October 04, 2019, 05:13:39 pm
could this be a large scale scam?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: mnementh on October 04, 2019, 05:41:27 pm
Possibly... but much likelier natural and unfettered “law of supply & demand” market correction.

AliEx is the commerce equivalent of a Wild Wild West Show... Lots of noise & occasional burst of gunfire, but usually the only real risk is the money you walked in the gate with.

mnem
Much like my love life... :-DD
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thm_w on October 04, 2019, 09:39:59 pm
could this be a large scale scam?

No, as mentioned already aliexpress uses an escrow system and its not worth the hassle over $10.
Thats not to say some people may get non-functioning/out of cal meters, but they won't be massively misrepresented from the photo.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Brumby on October 05, 2019, 10:25:42 am
Financially, the paid money is no biggie personally, and it will get returned eventually should they're not honoring the transaction by not shipping it.

But the plan is, I will extend the processing time, but only once.

If they keep doing that not shipping it at the 1st extended time, then I'll let the system fall back and process the refund.

... ... ...

Wish many will do the same.

This is exactly my approach.

I have extended the processing time just now - by another 10 days.  I'll just let it roll for the moment, but I may send a message to the seller in a couple of days to see what sort of reaction I will get - if any.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Wollvieh on October 07, 2019, 12:28:38 am
Maybe the shop that served Dave recognized who he is just before shipping.

So the vendor wo had a stockpile of miscalibrated qc fails from the dumpster bought an original Aimo for $200, scraped off the brand name, opened it and removed the solder surplus, cut wires and food remains from the inside (all that stuff you normally find in low value equipment like certain airplanes), went to the cal lab for  over-spec calibration, shipped the whole thing an leant back, awaiting the video and incoming orders.  ;D

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: beanflying on October 07, 2019, 01:14:41 am
Must be getting close to ship or pay the penalty time @ dhgate

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: EEVblog on October 07, 2019, 01:24:03 am
Maybe the shop that served Dave recognized who he is just before shipping.

I greatly doubt, it's just under my name and PO Box.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: blargg on October 07, 2019, 03:09:18 am
yaseri on dhgate has removed the meter from his stock, even at $120 or whatever. I guess it was inconvenient when he said that he had no stock for it to still be in his listings at a higher price.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: BravoV on October 07, 2019, 06:17:52 am
We still have to see if the various stores ship the meters. The ones I ordered Friday will expire if they are not shipped by Tuesday and I will just get my money refunded instead of receiving a meter.

Has anyone had any of the meters ordered since Dave mentioned them marked as "Shipped" yet?

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/test-equipment-anonymous-(tea)-group-therapy-thread/?action=dlattach;attach=843688;image)

Mine ordered at 27th still in processing, and will expire in 9days 11hours as I typed now, lets wait & see.  :P

Planned to extend tomorrow as the deadline, but its now shipped ... let see and wait again.  ::)

Still can't track it as it needs few days, this is normal for cheapest shipping option.

As past Aliexpress transactions using this shipping option, they usually arrived within < 20 days.

[attach=1]
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Brumby on October 07, 2019, 10:01:36 am
I've already extended.

The order still hasn't been shipped.

I somehow question if I'll get any joy - but I'll not be giving the seller any concessions.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: amspire on October 07, 2019, 10:53:05 am
Just had a meter ordered on the 27th marked as sent (My Cozy Life Store).

Looks like they are still posting them.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ebclr on October 07, 2019, 11:05:25 am
Both of my orders are shipped with tracking number

One from My Cozy Life Store and another from House of happiness Store


Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thinkfat on October 07, 2019, 11:41:53 am
My order with My Cozy Life Store is still in the queue, but good to know that they're actually shipping again. I also extended the processing time limit.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: RobertPS on October 07, 2019, 12:49:11 pm
My orders from both stores I ordered from have shipped on the 5th and 6th of October. This was updated today by AliExpress. I ordered a couple of hours before before the video was published from 'My CoZy Life Store' and 'Hey, Living Store'.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Nusa on October 07, 2019, 01:12:12 pm
Yeah, I had two orders from two stores. One shipped early on, the other one says it shipped on the 5th, shortly before the shipping deadline. But this drama will go on for a least a few more weeks, since we don't know all is well until they are received.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kjelt on October 07, 2019, 02:21:00 pm
My orders from both stores I ordered from have shipped on the 5th and 6th of October. This was updated today by AliExpress. I ordered a couple of hours before before the video was published from 'My CoZy Life Store' and 'Hey, Living Store'.
Yes, I now also see shipped on 6th October for my one meter order at Manbo life store.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Omnibro on October 07, 2019, 04:20:55 pm
I'm in Montana, any chance I could order one and have it shipped to you?  Can't seem to help myself with the fever of wanting one of these, figured I would employ some shameless scheme.  I could paypal you the shipping cost and time for your trouble, if you could send it to me after I ordered it?  Sorry to be unorthodox, it seems to be my normal mode.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: jancumps on October 07, 2019, 04:43:46 pm
I'm in Montana, any chance I could order one and have it shipped to you?  Can't seem to help myself with the fever of wanting one of these, figured I would employ some shameless scheme.  I could paypal you the shipping cost and time for your trouble, if you could send it to me after I ordered it?  Sorry to be unorthodox, it seems to be my normal mode.

Where would you order one? Everyone's out of stock
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ataradov on October 07, 2019, 04:48:51 pm
Where would you order one? Everyone's out of stock
I think he wants someone to ship him theirs. A "scheme" just as described.

And also it is not clear that anyone has got yet one except for Dave.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Omnibro on October 07, 2019, 04:50:37 pm
Hey magore, I'm in Montana, any chance I could order one and have it shipped to you?  Can't seem to help myself with the fever of wanting one of these, figured I would employ some shameless scheme.  I could paypal you the shipping cost and time for your trouble, if you could send it to me after I ordered it?  Sorry to be unorthodox, it seems to be my normal mode.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: jancumps on October 07, 2019, 04:53:32 pm
who is magore? lost.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: BravoV on October 07, 2019, 04:54:40 pm
The question is, how much are you willing to pay ? Surely not at 10 bucks (shipping excluded).
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Omnibro on October 07, 2019, 04:58:27 pm
No, I'm not scheming, well kind of I guess, I'm replying to magore from page 8, he shared the Amazon link where the process meter is 17$ but only ships to Canada.  So I offered to buy one and have it shipped to his location in Canada, hoping he will let me paypal him to ship it the rest of the way to me in Montana.  Convoluted and annoying I know, but it's worth a shot, teamwork makes the dream work  ;D hahaa :palm:
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: innkeeper on October 07, 2019, 05:33:43 pm
:scared: WARNING WILL ROBINSON :scared:

I got the following message from the DHGATE seller

Code: [Select]
hi friend
hope you are well .
kind reminder the item you ordered is still under producing ,
would you like change to attached new style ?
it's really nice and hot selling , hope you like it .
thanks , we waiting for your feedback .
the following attachments:

SAGA CONTINUES:

So after me refusing the cheapy meter, they were offering in replacement,
and after them telling me, it was out of stock and me calling them out on this as they had it listed at a price of over 100 usd.
I pushed for knowing when they would ahve it back in stock and when they could ship, which they did answer those questions
they again offered to refund me, and, at the same time shipped me something.
and they marked the item now as out of stock on dhgate.

What they shipped, who knows. could be a box of rocks.
This is so sketchy
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: PA0PBZ on October 07, 2019, 05:54:10 pm
Yes, I now also see shipped on 6th October for my one meter order at Manbo life store.

Oh wow, I'm still waiting for any sign of life (no pun intended) from the same store!
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kjelt on October 07, 2019, 06:09:42 pm
I had not expected this either.
Anxious to see if and when it arrives and what they sent  :)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: rsjsouza on October 07, 2019, 07:35:36 pm
My two meters were dispatched on the 6th from My Cozy Life Store. Let's see if the gamble pays off.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: jancumps on October 07, 2019, 07:54:53 pm
My two meters were dispatched on the 6th from My Cozy Life Store. Let's see if the gamble pays off.
Buying from Aliexpress should not be seen as a gamble. Several suppliers had this meter at a comparable price.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: magore on October 07, 2019, 08:20:27 pm
I still don't have mine yet, not sure if I will get one
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Electro Detective on October 07, 2019, 09:58:28 pm

"Hello again freind, we are still await for sky blue paint shipment to process the order meter

big problem with water pirates here, if catch must pay percent or stock is steal, delivery junk is sinked
and crew sold for slave job or other things 
we not know status yet but pray for positive


If not happy we give refund you money back or upgrade to orange color meter with bigger display than Fluuke  :-DMM
plus include new tecnology no oxygen test cables

Thank you for understand

Brightest Star Electronic"



 :D
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ataradov on October 07, 2019, 10:00:10 pm
Just the entertainment value of the pirate tales worth $10.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Bud on October 07, 2019, 10:28:47 pm
A "Life Store". Kitchen towels, bathroom supplies, baby items. What a great place to buy a process calibrator from!  :-+
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: EEVblog on October 08, 2019, 12:02:15 am
And also it is not clear that anyone has got yet one except for Dave.

That would be interesting. I suspected the stock numbers might not have been real, but dozens of people ordered one before the video was released, so I'm guessing they'd still be getting one.
Anyone?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: EEVblog on October 08, 2019, 12:03:44 am

"Hello again freind, we are still await for sky blue paint shipment to process the order meter

big problem with water pirates here, if catch must pay percent or stock is steal, delivery junk is sinked
and crew sold for slave job or other things 
we not know status yet but pray for positive


If not happy we give refund you money back or upgrade to orange color meter with bigger display than Fluuke  :-DMM
plus include new tecnology no oxygen test cables

Thank you for understand

Brightest Star Electronic"


That reply has gotta win some sort of award!
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: beanflying on October 08, 2019, 12:16:25 am
Today @ dhgate

Quote
Dear friends
very sorry
The products you ordered are not in stock for now.
Can we give you a refund?
Thank you

and at the same time give or take and note the non shipping details.  :palm:

[attachimg=1]

I smell  :bullshit: seems a magic number has now been added.......

[attachimg=2]
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: amspire on October 08, 2019, 12:42:53 am
And also it is not clear that anyone has got yet one except for Dave.

That would be interesting. I suspected the stock numbers might not have been real, but dozens of people ordered one before the video was released, so I'm guessing they'd still be getting one.
Anyone?
I have 3 packages on the way, and I just have to hope I haven't been upgraded to the orange meter that is better then Fluke. No messages, so they have probably sent the same package that you got.

In a week, the 2 packages have gone from GuangZhou to Shenzen to Hong Kong and have left for the next stop via China EMS. It could take a few weeks to finally get to my post office. The third package sent yesterday by China Post seems to be already at the airport for shipment to Australia, so I might even get it first.

It does look like all the AliExpress packages are sent from the same location. According to one tracker (https://www.parcelmonitor.com/track-it-online/ (https://www.parcelmonitor.com/track-it-online/)), the pick up for all the AliExpress sales is "GuangDongShengGuangZhouShi 51051519". If no-one is getting any pirate messages from AliExpress, then the stock is probably there in this warehouse.

Richard.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kean on October 08, 2019, 12:44:04 am

"Hello again freind, we are still await for sky blue paint shipment to process the order meter

big problem with water pirates here, if catch must pay percent or stock is steal, delivery junk is sinked
and crew sold for slave job or other things 
we not know status yet but pray for positive


If not happy we give refund you money back or upgrade to orange color meter with bigger display than Fluuke  :-DMM
plus include new tecnology no oxygen test cables

Thank you for understand

Brightest Star Electronic"


That reply has gotta win some sort of award!

I think Electro Detective is pulling your leg based on reply #147
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-1248-insane-a-0-02-process-meter-for-$9-wtf/msg2717446/#msg2717446 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-1248-insane-a-0-02-process-meter-for-$9-wtf/msg2717446/#msg2717446)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: CheckOne Two on October 08, 2019, 01:09:34 am
Today @ dhgate

Quote
Dear friends
very sorry
The products you ordered are not in stock for now.
Can we give you a refund?
Thank you

and at the same time give or take and note the non shipping details.  :palm:

[attachimg=1]

I smell  :bullshit: seems a magic number has now been added.......

[attachimg=2]

I have had the exact same messages showing everything up to and including "Package in transit" except I only have "Process completed in yanwen sorting center" and not the further info you have ...... maybe some of those "nice" blue replacement MM's on the way .......................................
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maginnovision on October 08, 2019, 01:36:23 am
One of mine arrived in LA today; I should have it in a day or two and see what I got.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wilfred on October 08, 2019, 02:59:00 am

"Hello again freind, we are still await for sky blue paint shipment to process the order meter

big problem with water pirates here, if catch must pay percent or stock is steal, delivery junk is sinked
and crew sold for slave job or other things 
we not know status yet but pray for positive


If not happy we give refund you money back or upgrade to orange color meter with bigger display than Fluuke  :-DMM
plus include new tecnology no oxygen test cables

Thank you for understand

Brightest Star Electronic"


That reply has gotta win some sort of award!

An award for @Electro Detective perhaps. He's letting his creative juices flow. No doubt.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Electro Detective on October 08, 2019, 03:35:48 am
I tossed in a couple of made up 'seller Reply' based on the beauties I've read here so far for a giggle  ;D   

Apologies if people mistook them for real deal seller replies

was hoping it may perhaps ease the suspense and stress on the punters here  :rant: >:( :horse:
many wondering if and when the ~mystery package~ arrives 
and whether the meter inside is light blue in color,

or 'sorry, is sell out, we only have this one orange color better meter, big display you will like more,
plz not forget post good ebay feedback'
 

:D

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thinkfat on October 08, 2019, 07:48:01 am
This thread alone is worth the money I might have sunk  :-DD
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Xenoamor on October 08, 2019, 09:56:33 am
Anyone else hyped for their box of rocks? :-DD

I believe the seller is on the hook for the shipping costs if we have to return items. I imagine that'll cost them a lot more than their subsidised shipping cost.

My guess is they've shipped the cheaper meter and they'll not request it is returned, effectively skirting the $20 fine DHgate would have slapped on them otherwise
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: bitwelder on October 08, 2019, 10:59:42 am
If/When those meters gets delivered from various sellers, it would also be interesting to check whether they have similar S/N (if they happen to have one)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Macbeth on October 08, 2019, 11:43:40 am
I ordered from 2 sellers on 27/09. I've had no communications with either of them.

My Cozy Life meter was sent 06/10 by EMS with tracking (working). The Aliexpress timeout is 59 days.
Shenzhen SuperDeal Technology Co. meter was sent 06/10 by ePacket with a tracking number (not working yet). The timeout on that one is only 26 days.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: rsjsouza on October 08, 2019, 01:15:13 pm
My two meters were dispatched on the 6th from My Cozy Life Store. Let's see if the gamble pays off.
Buying from Aliexpress should not be seen as a gamble. Several suppliers had this meter at a comparable price.
Each to its own. Until the meter arrives and in working condition, I treat this as a gamble. Aliexpress or eBay.

OTOH, getting back the money is not a gamble due to the buyer protections provided.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: magore on October 08, 2019, 05:08:43 pm
Ah, yes the shipping problems have started ... Problem with shipping ....
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thinkfat on October 08, 2019, 07:08:36 pm
I ordered from 2 sellers on 27/09. I've had no communications with either of them.

My Cozy Life meter was sent 06/10 by EMS with tracking (working). The Aliexpress timeout is 59 days.
Shenzhen SuperDeal Technology Co. meter was sent 06/10 by ePacket with a tracking number (not working yet). The timeout on that one is only 26 days.

Oh, interesting. That's about exactly the date I ordered mine from Cozy Life. It hasn't shipped yet.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Macbeth on October 08, 2019, 10:01:01 pm
Oh, interesting. That's about exactly the date I ordered mine from Cozy Life. It hasn't shipped yet.

Hmm... that seems unfair, I reckon you ordered quite a few hours before me from the Cozy Life Store...

My order with My Cozy Life Store is still in the queue, but good to know that they're actually shipping again. I also extended the processing time limit.

This is where you went wrong, to the back of the queue you go boy!...  :-DD  :palm:

(Just kidding. I considered this as well, but then thought, meh, it's a fucking heap of trash and gonna need fixing and I'm totally covered by Ali so fuck it! I will totally downvote if they don't ship...)

However, Dave's meter was clearly fucked on some ranges. These must be production rejects or customer returns that factory never sent to landfill, because that costs money, looks bad on the balance sheet, and storage in a barn on the outskirts of guangdong is free.
Then finally the factory sold them providing their name was removed by children scraping the logos off. So no comebacks to the factory but a decent backhander and no need for any of that RoHS/WEEE bollocks. :popcorn:
This also means selling these broken meters to Cozy Store housewives who just want to knit, purl and drop. Even the knitting machine experts wouldn't consider anything beyond a DT830, and so this is where the market price was set. Kept it all on the down low too...

UNTIL THAT FRIKKIN' CRAZY OZZY BLOKE LET THE CAT OUT OF THE BAG!  :-DD
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: beanflying on October 09, 2019, 12:28:28 am
Mmmm Someone else did it  ::) The pile of lies is growing to cover their backsides and save them a penalty. Not sent yesterday then I get a tracking number showing transit through the postal system and today EXTREME  :bullshit: to again get me to ask for a refund......

Quote
tonethiny 2019-10-08 15:13

Dear friends
very sorry
We are the number for the freight forwarder.
Our products are now out of stock.
Can we help you with a refund?
Thank you
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: amspire on October 09, 2019, 12:36:22 am
I cannot believe it. I got one of my meters.  :clap:

It is great except for the fact it doesn't work at all right now. It is only accurate on the 0V and 0mA reference outputs. Nothing on the screen.

I haven't debugged it yet, but the battery connection is a bit dodgy.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maginnovision on October 09, 2019, 12:45:43 am
Tracking shows I have one due tomorrow.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: amspire on October 09, 2019, 01:44:20 am
I cannot believe it. I got one of my meters.  :clap:

It is great except for the fact it doesn't work at all right now.
The battery connection is the problem. If the tabs from the battery are not bent at the right angle, they can jam on the board before the power pads on the board and the meter never gets power.

Looks like you want the tabs bent so there it is 32mm from the end of the tab and the outside of the case. Any less and the tab may miss the power pads on the PSC. Much more then that and they may never touch the pcb. I also deburred the edges of the battery tabs - they are pretty rough.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: rsjsouza on October 09, 2019, 03:25:38 am
I cannot believe it. I got one of my meters.  :clap:

It is great except for the fact it doesn't work at all right now.
The battery connection is the problem. If the tabs from the battery are not bent at the right angle, they can jam on the board before the power pads on the board and the meter never gets power.

Looks like you want the tabs bent so there it is 32mm from the end of the tab and the outside of the case. Any less and the tab may miss the power pads on the PSC. Much more then that and they may never touch the pcb. I also deburred the edges of the battery tabs - they are pretty rough.
So yes, they are alpha-quality products. Something similar to the Surpeer AV4 I hot a few months back (and has numerous inoperative functions).

Thanks for sharing the fix/experience. :-+
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: amspire on October 09, 2019, 03:41:04 am
I am beginning to suspect that these meters are all manufacturer's rejects. I have it powered up, but I still haven't tested most of the functions - cannot even get connectors in the sockets. The meter sockets are the worse I have ever seen, and on mine, it is really hard to bend them into a shape that will allow a 4mm banana plug into the sockets. My 24V output was 23.2V and I couldn't vary this or get the 24mA current out. The fact that Dave's meter was calibrated and some others seem to be completely uncalibrated looks like a rejection in manufacturing testing. Might wait until I get a second meter before I waste too much time on this first one.

I got the reference voltage and current out working after I managed to find a connector that would fit and it was quite accurate. 10V was within 0.02%. I now realise that the 24V output has no accuracy rating so the 23.2 is irrelevant. It is just a source of around 24V. It may be settable by one of the potentiometers on the board.

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: EEVblog on October 09, 2019, 05:13:31 am
I am beginning to suspect that these meters are all manufacturer's rejects. I have it powered up, but I still haven't tested most of the functions - cannot even get connectors in the sockets. The meter sockets are the worse I have ever seen, and on mine, it is really hard to bend them into a shape that will allow a 4mm banana plug into the sockets. My 24V output was 23.2V and I couldn't vary this or get the 24mA current out. The fact that Dave's meter was calibrated and some others seem to be completely uncalibrated looks like a rejection in manufacturing testing. Might wait until I get a second meter before I waste too much time on this first one.

I got the reference voltage and current out working after I managed to find a connector that would fit and it was quite accurate. 10V was within 0.02%. I now realise that the 24V output has no accuracy rating so the 23.2 is irrelevant. It is just a source of around 24V. It may be settable by one of the potentiometers on the board.

Correct, the 24V is not in any way precision, it's just a DC-DC converter output for supply purposes. Typical spec for such a thing might be say +/-1V
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: amspire on October 09, 2019, 08:59:44 am
The AMPX1 meter is running quite well after a few mods:

1. Soldered a bit of curved gold plated header pin to the battery tabs so I get gold to gold contact for battery on the PCB. Battery connection is now totally reliable.
2. Cleaned and treated gold contacts on switches with DeoxIT. They didn't look too bad, but the the switches are flawless now.
3. Re-soldered the meter lead contacts. They are out of position. I got a 4mm drill shank and put it in each connector. Grip the connectors and drill bit with pliers. Resolder the meter lead contacts so that the connectors can reposition to suit the drill bit. Put the connector sleeve back on and make sure a lead can plug in easily. When all 4 connectors are accepting plugs easily, re-assemble the meter. The connectors have gone from being unuseable to now feeling very good.
4. The spring contacts on the 4mm banana plug part of the probes made a very dodgy contact with the probes. I was getting 0.1V reading instead of 10v because of these spring contacts.

Now just have to work out how to get the serial port working. It only will work with the meter part of the AMPX1 - not the calibrator part. The meter does come with software but the setup.exe is identified by Windows Defender as a virus. It should be a straight dump of data out the serial port, so it shouldn't be that hard to sort out.

The meters come with a calibration file, but it looks like it will be the same file for every meter. It has the same date and time as the manuals, so it does not look like a custom file added for each meter. Also it has a meter serial number and these meters have no serial number.  Not expecting it will be much use.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: djadeski on October 09, 2019, 12:22:12 pm
Looks like Cozy Life Store is out of inventory.  ;)

I ordered a unit on 09/27 from Cozy Life Store and then extended the ship date - looks like they have been notified to "return all of these items back to theirs factory for a Security Inspection"  :-DD

 Here is the message sent to me: [attachimg=1]

I did order one of the units from amazon.ca and that is claimed to have shipped so still a good deal not quite as good as 8.85 at CLS. 

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: rsjsouza on October 09, 2019, 01:08:50 pm
Quote
I am beginning to suspect that these meters are all manufacturer's rejects. I have it powered up,
I got the reference voltage and current out working after I managed to find a connector that would fit and it was quite accurate. 10V was within 0.02%. I now realise that the 24V output has no accuracy rating so the 23.2 is irrelevant. It is just a source of around 24V. It may be settable by one of the potentiometers on the board.
Richard, you misquoted me. I haven't yet received mine.  :-DD
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: slobans on October 09, 2019, 06:18:43 pm
Mmmm Someone else did it  ::) The pile of lies is growing to cover their backsides and save them a penalty. Not sent yesterday then I get a tracking number showing transit through the postal system and today EXTREME  :bullshit: to again get me to ask for a refund......

Quote
tonethiny 2019-10-08 15:13

Dear friends
very sorry
We are the number for the freight forwarder.
Our products are now out of stock.
Can we help you with a refund?
Thank you

same with me,tonethiny giving fake tracking numbers and begging me cancel order.i almost feel sorry for this poor chinese seller.but,deal is a deal,he will pay for his seller wannabe
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maginnovision on October 09, 2019, 06:46:12 pm
Mine showed up, dicky contact switch but ok after cleaning. Matches specs just fine. See if any others show up. Few more checks, multimeter functions seems within specs too. The 24V is also 23.192, so pretty much same as amspire.

For the contact switch it needed to be 100% cleaned as the grease was conductive. After cleaning I tried and it was still poor likely due to the small switch contact(middle) moving around. I lubed the board contacts with good quality grease and it works perfectly fine. I did clean any and all residue from the PCB. Pretty dirty and not just flux, seems the grease they used was all over the bottom half of PCB on display/button side.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Xenoamor on October 09, 2019, 07:55:07 pm
Is this guy on DhGate admitting to falsely shipping an item?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maginnovision on October 09, 2019, 07:59:46 pm
Is this guy on DhGate admitting to falsely shipping an item?

See what dhgate says. I suspect I'll never order anything from there
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Xenoamor on October 09, 2019, 08:09:56 pm
See what dhgate says. I suspect I'll never order anything from there

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and asking him to clarify.
Dhgate claim they'll give you $30 credit if a seller sends you a false shipping number so it would be interesting to see what comes of it if he has
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: blargg on October 09, 2019, 08:57:57 pm
Is this guy on DhGate admitting to falsely shipping an item?

Also from same seller on dhgate, two tracking numbers show up in order details. Last digits:

885CN
635YP

Do these match yours? Anyone else, did seller give the same tracking numbers to us all?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: RobertPS on October 09, 2019, 09:17:48 pm
Is this guy on DhGate admitting to falsely shipping an item?
He's probably just doing what he always does: getting a shipping/tracking number, maybe preparing the box, so he can ship quickly when his supplier delivers the goods. These stores don't have stock for most items.
In this case, there's no supply anymore, so he's stuck with the tracking numbers and no product. Just like you.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: beanflying on October 09, 2019, 09:45:28 pm
Is this guy on DhGate admitting to falsely shipping an item?
He's probably just doing what he always does: getting a shipping/tracking number, maybe preparing the box, so he can ship quickly when his supplier delivers the goods. These stores don't have stock for most items.
In this case, there's no supply anymore, so he's stuck with the tracking numbers and no product. Just like you.

That is not correct in my case as the supposed parcel shows progress through the postal system with three stops. This is clearly a case of fake tracking numbers provided.


mine ends in 056YP for what it is worth.


Quote
tonethiny 2019-10-09 17:25

Dear friends
very sorry
We have found a lot of homes
They all said that this product is out of stock now.
Ali and Taobao are also out of stock
We can only give you a refund now.
May I?
Please understand
Thank you
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: RobertPS on October 09, 2019, 10:55:41 pm
Is this guy on DhGate admitting to falsely shipping an item?
He's probably just doing what he always does: getting a shipping/tracking number, maybe preparing the box, so he can ship quickly when his supplier delivers the goods. These stores don't have stock for most items.
In this case, there's no supply anymore, so he's stuck with the tracking numbers and no product. Just like you.

That is not correct in my case as the supposed parcel shows progress through the postal system with three stops. This is clearly a case of fake tracking numbers provided.


I stand corrected. A google search reveals that Yanwen seems to be widely associated with fake tracking.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: amspire on October 10, 2019, 12:54:28 am
Just had a quick look at the serial output of the meter. It is actually very well isolated, and so this meter is a cheap way of data logging.

It appears the Semico CS7721CN chip is outputting data at 2400 baud in packages of 12 to 16 bytes - I haven't put a logic analyser on it yet. The sample rate period is about 700 ms.

I haven't found any data yet for the 7721 chip, so if anyone can find it, it would help.

I am expecting a format such as a range byte, 4 digits for the measures value, a function byte (volts, mA, uA, Capacitance, etc), a status byte (things like low battery), and some option bytes which include things like a bit for AC or DC mode. It appears the string ends with a linefeed byte (0x0A).

I have had a look at the sigrok.org site and it doesn't appear they support any CS7721CN based multimeters yet, but unfortunately half the contributors didn't bother to mention the multimeter chipset.

Richard.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: BradC on October 10, 2019, 01:02:14 am
Just had a quick look at the serial output of the meter. It is actually very well isolated, and so this meter is a cheap way of data logging.

It appears the Semico CS7721CN chip is outputting data at 2400 baud in packages of 12 to 16 bytes - I haven't put a logic analyser on it yet. The sample rate period is about 700 ms.

I haven't found any data yet for the 7721 chip, so if anyone can find it, it would help.

There was a data sheet linked up thread somewhere (too hard to locate on an iPad). The protocol in there documented sending out the LCD segments. So basically a mirror of what is on the display. Each byte was an identifier (high nybble) and 4 individual segments (the low nybble) and they were sent in sequence repeatedly.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: TurboTom on October 10, 2019, 01:11:59 am
Here's my message (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-1248-insane-a-0-02-process-meter-for-$9-wtf/msg2714930/#msg2714930) where I linked the Fortune Semiconductor equivalent of the chip used in this instrument.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: amspire on October 10, 2019, 01:18:34 am
Here's my message (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-1248-insane-a-0-02-process-meter-for-$9-wtf/msg2714930/#msg2714930) where I linked the Fortune Semiconductor equivalent of the chip used in this instrument.
If it is the same, that is great as Sigrok supports a number of Fortune 9721 multimeters like the Uni-T UT60E. I will probably have to look at the Silabs serial chip data to find out how to get X-OFF/X-ON working. If you just read the chip continuously, most of the time you just get the last 4 bytes in the data buffer that looks something like "0x61 0x67 0x33 0x0A"
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ResistorRob on October 10, 2019, 02:34:56 am
I ordered mine from Wish for $53 shipped, and today they canceled the order and refunded my money! Not cool!
I don't care about the multimeter part, and think I found something similar for about $25 so will order that instead.
I'm definitely not paying almost $300 for one of these things!
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: amspire on October 10, 2019, 06:22:34 am
Here's my message (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-1248-insane-a-0-02-process-meter-for-$9-wtf/msg2714930/#msg2714930) where I linked the Fortune Semiconductor equivalent of the chip used in this instrument.
If it is the same, that is great as Sigrok supports a number of Fortune 9721 multimeters like the Uni-T UT60E. I will probably have to look at the Silabs serial chip data to find out how to get X-OFF/X-ON working. If you just read the chip continuously, most of the time you just get the last 4 bytes in the data buffer that looks something like "0x61 0x67 0x33 0x0A"
Looks like the serial protocol is nothing like the Fortune 9721 chip unfortunately.

I have the logic analyser set up and I will start a new thread. The serial packet is 2400 baud 8bit no parity LSB first. There are 14 bytes and the 4 most significant bits of each byte is the byte number in the packet - the bytes are numbered 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,A,B,C,D and E.

The lower 4 bits of each byte is the data. When I get back home, I will work out what some of the packets do. I think I have identified the ones containing the readings.

Update:
This site has some python code for a similar chip - the difference is that the multimeter this code is written for output an extra 5 bytes of unknown junk at the start.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/qm1571-multimeter/files/ (https://sourceforge.net/projects/qm1571-multimeter/files/)

Looks like the code is compatible with the Fortune FS9721 chip so I have no idea what that protocol file I got from Sigrok is on about.

The following multimeters all use a similar meter chipset:
Altronics Q1079,
Digitech QM1571,
DT4000ZC,
Harbor Freight 98674,
Mastech MS8229,
PCE-DM32,
Tecpel DMM-8061,
Tecpel DMM-8061,
Tenma 72-7745,
TP4000ZC,
UT60A,
UT60E,
Vichy VC97,
Voltcraft MT-52,
Voltcraft VC-820,
Voltcraft VC-840.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maginnovision on October 10, 2019, 07:23:29 am
My second My Cozy Life Store meter shows shipped, however I'm not sure I believe it this time. I also tested the one I got today after I got it all working properly. Tested AC and DC up to 120V. Current 100uA to 1A. After that I wanted to check the p-p and rms noise for the outputs. However I found the output was no longer working properly. The OP296(Daves had a 297 in the same spot) was getting extremely hot. Removing it didn't fix anything, but it also didn't make anything worse. All meter readings were ok, the 24V output was unaffected(unsurprisingly), but the current and voltage outputs basically start at 0 and climb until reaching the end of the range and resetting. I didn't have time to check it further but it's pretty odd. Just to add, I didn't do those checks with the source/simulate jacks.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Electro Detective on October 10, 2019, 07:54:34 am

"Hello freind again,

is good news finally

we ship out blue meter today after salvage from sunk delivery boat, recover by harbor freight police divas after water pirate attack

lucky crew of old peoples and children wet and scare, but no harm or disgusting thing happen 


We use hair dryer and meters look ok, but no damged package or instucton is send sorry


if have problem or want improve hacks please read fix up post by VEEblogs member 'amspire' here:
www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-1248-insane-a-0-02-process-meter-for- (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-1248-insane-a-0-02-process-meter-for-)$9-wtf/msg2730530/?topicseen#msg2730530


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no more water pirate risk and we no use winows 10 again till is fixed   


Warmest regrads from BS Team at Brightest Star Electronic on your new metre !  :)

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Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Brumby on October 10, 2019, 08:12:47 am
Classic.   ;D
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: beanflying on October 10, 2019, 08:14:21 am
It really is shades of the Dog ate my Homework  :palm:
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Xenoamor on October 10, 2019, 09:49:20 am
mine ends in 056YP for what it is worth.

Ending 953CN here.

They've given up sending me excuses now
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: amspire on October 10, 2019, 11:36:07 am
I just started a thread under "Test Equipment" for this meter with some basic working code for reading the USB port:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/ampx1-process-calibrator-multimeter/msg2732286/#msg2732286 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/ampx1-process-calibrator-multimeter/msg2732286/#msg2732286)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: TurboTom on October 10, 2019, 12:11:03 pm
This really appears to be a hit an miss business... I must have been one of the first to place an order, still before the "big hype" on 26th of september and my order was listed "shipped" but the tracing information stayed more than ten days on "waiting for pick-up by the carrier" or similar. Today I received this information:

Dear buyer,we are so sorry to tell you that we just got the information from the shipping company that your parcel was lost on the way .we want to resend it for you ,but been told by warehouse the item just sold out .In order to protect your right ,how about we refund to your paypal ?or would you like to choose other item you like in our store?sorry for the trouble and waiting for your quickly reply,nice day .

Could be the truth, could be not. But reading about the other's experiences, I rather believe the initial shipment notification was some bogus information. So you cannot be sure that being early in the queue helps to get delivery. For sure I won't agree to be refunded via PayPal while I paid via CreditCard (...I've also got my principles...). At least this means, "Cozy Life Shop" has got to admit towards AliExpress their mistake.

Considering the whole thing was more a gamble than a real need, I'm okay with that. I anyway got one of these LB-02 calibrators since rather than process control voltages, I need to simulate thermocouple signals, and these won't be generated by the "AIMOsham"...

So good luck to the other "contenders"  ;)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kosmic on October 10, 2019, 12:40:16 pm
My order was shipped yesterday. Ordered from "My Cozy Life Store" on September 26 (before the video). If something show up i'm going to be very surprise :)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Nusa on October 10, 2019, 01:51:05 pm
From USPS alerts on the tracking number, looks like my first meter is being delivered today. It will be a bit before I can actually check it out, as I'm currently 2000 miles away dealing with family matters.

(UPDATE: the person collecting my mail while I am gone has confirmed the package was delivered.)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: cgroen on October 10, 2019, 01:56:40 pm
Damn,
guess I was not lucky after all!!
I guess nothing to do ?

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Bud on October 10, 2019, 02:03:29 pm
"Security inspection"  :-DD
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: BravoV on October 10, 2019, 02:15:08 pm
Damn,
guess I was not lucky after all!!
I guess nothing to do ?

If I were you, I would reply that its their responsibility, to cancel/abort it or let the transaction expired until the Aliexpress system takes over for the auto refund mechanism, assuming you're willingly to wait of course.

These shops aware, that if one or two transactions like this may not be a big problem, but hundreds, that will definitely put a dent of black mark on their reputation from the Aliexpress valuation system to their shop, they deserved it.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: cgroen on October 10, 2019, 02:26:34 pm
"Security inspection"  :-DD

Yes, exactly  :-DD

I answered them with:

No.
I know for a fact that this explanation is not true.
I expect to receive my instrument ASAP!
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: sokoloff on October 10, 2019, 03:33:16 pm
Ordered 4 on 9/27 from 3 different vendors.

All show as shipped as of this morning; we'll see how it plays out...
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thm_w on October 10, 2019, 09:32:07 pm
This really appears to be a hit an miss business... I must have been one of the first to place an order, still before the "big hype" on 26th of september and my order was listed "shipped" but the tracing information stayed more than ten days on "waiting for pick-up by the carrier" or similar. Today I received this information:
...
So good luck to the other "contenders"  ;)

Yeah no thats not fair, you were the first person to link the meter.
If my two show up (both in customs now), one is going to you. Or I will pay cost and shipping of anyone else willing to send one to you (closer to Germany).

Ordered another from Amazon just in case there is leftover stock.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: innkeeper on October 10, 2019, 10:14:02 pm
Is this guy on DhGate admitting to falsely shipping an item?

they did the same thing to me and got the same message about the shipment.
and yea thats totally admitting its a false/fake shipment

i am going to let this play out then hit up dhgate for the money they say they give for fake shipping info.

hit me up in private message if you wanna trade tracking numbers, i am betting there the same numbers.

i'm holding their feet tot he fire on this one.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wilfred on October 10, 2019, 11:39:30 pm
Mine ordered from Manbo life Store on 28 Sept is awaiting shipment. I extended the processing time by 10 days. I'm going to let the clock run down and take the refund. I no longer expect to receive one.

I suppose I'm thankful for not getting BS emails.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Brumby on October 11, 2019, 12:14:24 am
Mine ordered from Manbo life Store on 28 Sept is awaiting shipment. I extended the processing time by 10 days. I'm going to let the clock run down and take the refund. I no longer expect to receive one.

I suppose I'm thankful for not getting BS emails.

I was wondering what step to take next.  ^^^ That was one.

Seeing that you are taking that path, I was thinking I might try sending the seller a message along the lines of "I've waited for the holiday to end plus your normal shipping time and the items have not yet been shipped.  I trust you will attend to this matter soon as I am very keen to get these units."

Does anyone know if this is a good idea, a bad idea - or just a waste of time?

If I do go this way, I will be interested to see what response I get, if any.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: innkeeper on October 11, 2019, 12:17:30 am
Is this guy on DhGate admitting to falsely shipping an item?

Also from same seller on dhgate, two tracking numbers show up in order details. Last digits:

885CN
635YP

Do these match yours? Anyone else, did seller give the same tracking numbers to us all?
mine is different
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Nusa on October 11, 2019, 12:43:17 am
I sent the person that's collecting my mail a picture and asked her to open the box. She tells me it's exactly like the picture, including all the accessories and stuff. So I have indeed received an actual unit! Probably be at least a week before I'm home to see if it works.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: amspire on October 11, 2019, 12:53:32 am
Mine ordered from Manbo life Store on 28 Sept is awaiting shipment. I extended the processing time by 10 days.
I ordered one from the Manbo life store on the 28th and didn't extend shipping. They "shipped" it with about 4 hours remaining, but the tracking shows only that they have created logistics information - no sign of an actual package yet. I do not have high hopes for this meter.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wilfred on October 11, 2019, 12:55:54 am

I was wondering what step to take next.  ^^^ That was one.

Seeing that you are taking that path, I was thinking I might try sending the seller a message along the lines of "I've waited for the holiday to end plus your normal shipping time and the items have not yet been shipped.  I trust you will attend to this matter soon as I am very keen to get these units."

Does anyone know if this is a good idea, a bad idea - or just a waste of time?

If I do go this way, I will be interested to see what response I get, if any.

I it won't cost anything to try. I also think it will be a waste of time.  I'm not going to defend sellers like DHgate but I also don't think the seller I bought from has acted in bad faith. Since I don't actually know what goes on A number of stores listed what looked so similar they could even have been the same store under different names for reasons known only to sellers on Aliexpress or they get stock for one supplier and list the stock level as that of the supplier. I really have no idea so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that the EEVblog effect took them by surprise.

They could just be greedy and we'll see this item sold for months to come at much higher prices. I'm sure that's happened before. Rubidium frequency standards spring to mind.

I'm actively de-cluttering at the moment so they've caught me at a time when one less bargain is no bad thing.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wilfred on October 11, 2019, 12:59:07 am
Mine ordered from Manbo life Store on 28 Sept is awaiting shipment. I extended the processing time by 10 days.
I ordered one from the Manbo life store on the 28th and didn't extend shipping. They "shipped" it with about 4 hours remaining, but the tracking shows only that they have created logistics information - no sign of an actual package yet. I do not have high hopes for this meter.
We'll see which of us got lucky, I guess, in the weeks to come.

They didn't have to say "shipped". They haven't for me so  that's something. Not a lot I'll grant you.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: member_xyz on October 11, 2019, 04:23:15 am

System showing Order through DHgate/yaseri has been shipped.

Quote
    Payment Confirmed
    2019-09-29 09:58:49
    Products Prepared
    2019-10-09 14:55:40
    Package Shipped Out
    2019-10-11 08:56:49
    Package in transit
    Delivery date Estimated delivery date 2019-10-31   

Order Tracking is not available to most countries, including the following when using regular post United States, Britain, Canada, Australia, Germany and France.

Tracking number: UC56_____34YP Logistics: YANWEN Delivered time: 7-24 days

    2019-10-10 08:03:26 Last mile=> Destination country post, number UT40_____63CN
    2019-10-10 06:03:26 Departed from Yanwen Facility
    2019-10-10 03:20:25 Process completed in Yanwen Facility
    2019-10-09 21:21:27 Picked up


WTF?

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: PA0PBZ on October 11, 2019, 07:26:17 am
Mine ordered from Manbo life Store on 28 Sept is awaiting shipment. I extended the processing time by 10 days. I'm going to let the clock run down and take the refund. I no longer expect to receive one.

I suppose I'm thankful for not getting BS emails.

I was wondering what step to take next.  ^^^ That was one.

Seeing that you are taking that path, I was thinking I might try sending the seller a message along the lines of "I've waited for the holiday to end plus your normal shipping time and the items have not yet been shipped.  I trust you will attend to this matter soon as I am very keen to get these units."

Does anyone know if this is a good idea, a bad idea - or just a waste of time?

If I do go this way, I will be interested to see what response I get, if any.

I did exactly that with the Mambo store a few days ago and got no reaction whatsoever. I did extend the shipping time but not by 10 days, so there's only one day left now.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kjelt on October 11, 2019, 08:45:39 am
Although Aliexpress says shipped on 6th october with TNT,  the shipping nr can not be tracked with independent trackers and the ali site states that the package has not been sent yet.  :o
If I click track order it shows it did not ship yet.  :-//

So if you got a number it can be the pre shipment nr which is only a request to the shipping firm and not a proof something has been shipped. I wait what happens but I guess I also might receive some "solly solly" email in the coming week.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Electro Detective on October 11, 2019, 10:03:22 pm

www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU6NKdthd4U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU6NKdthd4U)

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ritaismyconscience on October 11, 2019, 11:17:01 pm
Is this guy on DhGate admitting to falsely shipping an item?

Also from same seller on dhgate, two tracking numbers show up in order details. Last digits:

885CN
635YP

Do these match yours? Anyone else, did seller give the same tracking numbers to us all?
Doesn't match, mine ends in 352YP
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: TurboTom on October 11, 2019, 11:37:39 pm
This really appears to be a hit an miss business... I must have been one of the first to place an order, still before the "big hype" on 26th of september and my order was listed "shipped" but the tracing information stayed more than ten days on "waiting for pick-up by the carrier" or similar. Today I received this information:
...
So good luck to the other "contenders"  ;)

Yeah no thats not fair, you were the first person to link the meter.
If my two show up (both in customs now), one is going to you. Or I will pay cost and shipping of anyone else willing to send one to you (closer to Germany).

Ordered another from Amazon just in case there is leftover stock.

That offer is more than kind an generous of you, and flattering to me -- thanks a lot for it. But to be honest, I placed my order of two of these calibrators more out of curiosity and not because I'ld really need them.

I needed a calibrator that permits to simulate thermocouple signals and bought myself an LB02 for almost ten times the price of the recent "bargain" about a year ago. This unit (albeit also a no-name cheapo) covers all the calibration needs that I expect to run into, at least compared to what the AiMOmeter could offer. So it really wouldn't be reasonable to throw more money (probably more than the initial expense) after the instrument(s) just for shipping. It may not be fair that even though I contributed the first "real" link to the instrument after Dave's "teaser", I didn't get any, but sometimes life just isn't fair and one has to cope with it. I could imagine worse...

So again thank you for your offer, but I guess we should leave it at that.  ;)

All the best,
Thomas
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kosmic on October 12, 2019, 03:34:56 am
My order was shipped yesterday. Ordered from "My Cozy Life Store" on September 26 (before the video). If something show up i'm going to be very surprise :)

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-1248-insane-a-0-02-process-meter-for-$9-wtf/?action=dlattach;attach=852936;image)

Well it's not going to make it  :-\
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: beanflying on October 12, 2019, 03:56:14 am
In spite of my DHGate seller being a liar and trying to extort extra $ I can't lodge a claim against his supplied fake tracking number or non shipment until the 28th  :palm: Won't be following up DheadGate with future business after this  :horse:

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ataradov on October 12, 2019, 03:57:54 am
They all are about the same. Try to do anything with eBay. It is hopeless.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thm_w on October 12, 2019, 04:01:01 am
My order was shipped yesterday. Ordered from "My Cozy Life Store" on September 26 (before the video). If something show up i'm going to be very surprise :)

Well it's not going to make it  :-\

Their logistics is so weird.. I also ordered on Sept 26, "shipped" on sept 27th.
Did you not pay extra for epacket? maybe that screwed something up and both you and Tom got bumped on the queue.

Hopefully someone else in canada ends up with an extra (canada post is offering free shipping this month within the country up to 5kg).
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: beanflying on October 12, 2019, 04:05:05 am
They all are about the same. Try to do anything with eBay. It is hopeless.


But I can pick up a phone if I need to and talk to evilbay or paypal if needed and in the past on the two occasions I have done this it was taken seriously and moved to resolution quickly.

Even Aliexpress takes fake tracking numbers seriously and I have had prompt credits when done.

I have evidence in messages and the seller admitting the tracking number is false and them trying to gain extra funds to supply in messages but there is ZERO path forward to resolve this until the 28th. My initial contact with their so called customer service was cut off from further messages to them. Will sit on this until the 28th then take it up again.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: PA0PBZ on October 12, 2019, 08:25:40 am
Interesting: my Manbo life store order is now marked as shipped, I guess 5 minutes before it timed out! The aliexpress tracking page says ready for shipment and shipment time 2019-10-11 09:47:02, but when I check the tracking number on 17track it tells me that the shipping information was received on 2019-09-30 15:30, for a package to the Netherlands via YunExpress. It almost looks like he recycled an old tracking number...
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: BradC on October 12, 2019, 08:38:20 am
Hasn't left country of origin yet.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Smokey on October 12, 2019, 12:00:06 pm
HA!  "Manbo life Store" just changed order status to "Awaiting Delivery"!

Considering my luck with aliexpress shipping the thing should show up some time in the next 3 months.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: JackJones on October 12, 2019, 12:21:42 pm
My Manbo meter also got marked as shipped, about 24 hours before the timer ran out.

The second meter I bought from the same store has not yet marked as shipped, probably because I haven't extended the time on it. So really I don't expect they have actually shipped it, only marked it as shipped.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: rsjsouza on October 12, 2019, 04:02:39 pm
Hasn't left country of origin yet.
Similar scenario when I look at Aliexpress alone, but https://m.17track.net (recommended by Aliexpress) shows the journey with a bit better detail. The package didn't leave the country but it actually hopped across two sites in mainland and arrived at Hong Kong, where it was put in a vessel towards US.


Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: innkeeper on October 13, 2019, 07:02:25 am
DHGATE SCAM???

so I've been made aware of a common DHGATE scam. Where an item is offered for a low price, and then what ships is just simply an envelope, with a tracking number.  once that envelope is delivered (even if its not actually sent to you)  When you go to dispute it with DHGATE they say that the item was delivered and will not issue a refund.  you can see comments on this scam among the 6300 reviews on https://www.sitejabber.com/reviews/dhgate.com (https://www.sitejabber.com/reviews/dhgate.com)

The reason I bring this up is a few of us who have ordered from a DHGATE seller "yaseri " told us they were not in stock offered replacement item instead which as far as i know everyone refused,  they issued a tracking nubmer and gave us indications that nothing shipped even though there is a tracking number that shows something is in transit.

this doesn't look good.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: BradC on October 13, 2019, 07:08:40 am
Similar scenario when I look at Aliexpress alone, but https://m.17track.net (recommended by Aliexpress) shows the journey with a bit better detail.

Oh, neat-o. It's in-country.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Mortymore on October 14, 2019, 11:01:51 am
If I didn't asked "My Cozy Life Store", it wouldn't be lost.

Since I didn't saw further information in tracking apart from " Waiting for pick up 2019-09-28 22:20:49 [GMT+8] ", on Friday I asked  if they actually sent the meter or not.

They replied today:

"Dear buyer,
we are so sorry to tell you that we just got the information from the shipping company that your parcel was lost on the way .
we want to resend it for you ,but been told by warehouse the item just sold out .
In order to protect your right ,how about we refund to your paypal ?or would you like to choose other item you like in our store?
sorry for the trouble and waiting for your quickly reply,
nice day ."
  :blah:  :blah:  :blah:

Basically started to ask them: "So the packaged was lost during the weekend, or just after I contacted you?"  >:D
I will not go for refunds.
This guys have a very childish, unprofessional, way to do business, that must be somehow detracted.

Next chapter of the series awaiting in an Aliexpress store near you...  :horse:
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Electro Detective on October 14, 2019, 11:06:55 am
Why don't they drop the tired sollee sollee thing and just admit water pirates got the shipment
and flogged them off to aliens who dig blue retro gadgets

 :D
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: alm on October 14, 2019, 11:10:58 am
I'm not sure if asking has anything to do with it. My shipment from Shenzhen SuperDeal Technology also got cancelled today, after supposedly having been shipped last week. I didn't have any contact with the seller. Clearly they just got a tracking number without every sending anything:
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: PA0PBZ on October 14, 2019, 11:27:45 am
Manbo life store:

Dear friend,
sorry to make you wait so long, we just got the information from the logistics company and your parcel was lost,maybe there is something wrong with your address or other reason we don't know .Even though,we still apologize for that.we want to resend,but we have no stock now ,how about we refund you ?

refund:do you have PayPal account to get the money?
OR you can choose other items from us ,ok?
if you don't have paypal account,please contact us first.

which is better for you? we hope we can try our best to make you satisfied .
waiting for reply
nice day"


I want to call them out for their lies but I don't think it will help me in any way so I guess I should just go for the refund...?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Smokey on October 14, 2019, 11:42:16 am
Manbo life store:
Dear friend,
sorry to make you wait so long, we just got the information from the logistics company and your parcel was lost,maybe there is something wrong with your address or other reason we don't know .Even though,we still apologize for that.we want to resend,but we have no stock now ,how about we refund you ?
refund:do you have PayPal account to get the money?
OR you can choose other items from us ,ok?
if you don't have paypal account,please contact us first.
which is better for you? we hope we can try our best to make you satisfied .
waiting for reply
nice day"

I want to call them out for their lies but I don't think it will help me in any way so I guess I should just go for the refund...?

Noo!  That's my guy!  I haven't got any messages from them yet.
Can't we both call them on their shit AND get the refund?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: beanflying on October 14, 2019, 11:48:27 am
Accepting a simple refund from them generally is a no consequence to the seller option. Lodging a case with Aliexpress for fake tracking documents should still allow you to leave 'appropriate' feedback for them and it will also register with Aliexpress against the seller.

Waiting for dHeadgate's timeline to lodge mine due to the extreme bs.

In either case the actual $ for the sale is held in escrow so the seller doesn't have it so refunds should still be fine.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: amspire on October 14, 2019, 11:52:05 am
If I didn't asked "My Cozy Life Store", it wouldn't be lost.

Since I didn't saw further information in tracking apart from " Waiting for pick up 2019-09-28 22:20:49 [GMT+8] ", on Friday I asked  if they actually sent the meter or not.

They replied today:

"Dear buyer,
we are so sorry to tell you that we just got the information from the shipping company that your parcel was lost on the way .
we want to resend it for you ,but been told by warehouse the item just sold out .
In order to protect your right ,how about we refund to your paypal ?or would you like to choose other item you like in our store?
sorry for the trouble and waiting for your quickly reply,
nice day ."
 
You could take them up on their offer.

Like a IR camera for a phone: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32966214689.html (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32966214689.html)
A nice electric screwdriver: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000128261651.html (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000128261651.html)
19999 count Aneng Multimeter: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000106560953.html (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000106560953.html)

I am interested in seeing how you go. I have a meter from Cozy Life stuck in the "Logistics Created" mode - so they cannot even say it has been lost. I do have another ordered from Cozy Life on the 26th that has just passed Australian Customs, so I am not worried about this last one.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Macbeth on October 14, 2019, 12:22:56 pm
I'm not sure if asking has anything to do with it. My shipment from Shenzhen SuperDeal Technology also got cancelled today, after supposedly having been shipped last week. I didn't have any contact with the seller. Clearly they just got a tracking number without every sending anything:
Hmm... Mine from the same store hasn't been cancelled and is still ready for dispatch. Looking at the shipment time mine was a couple of minutes after yours, but by "ePacket" instead of "AliExpress Standard Shipping"

My other one from Cozy Life has just arrived in the UK.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Mortymore on October 14, 2019, 01:59:09 pm
If I didn't asked "My Cozy Life Store", it wouldn't be lost.

Since I didn't saw further information in tracking apart from " Waiting for pick up 2019-09-28 22:20:49 [GMT+8] ", on Friday I asked  if they actually sent the meter or not.

They replied today:

"Dear buyer,
we are so sorry to tell you that we just got the information from the shipping company that your parcel was lost on the way .
we want to resend it for you ,but been told by warehouse the item just sold out .
In order to protect your right ,how about we refund to your paypal ?or would you like to choose other item you like in our store?
sorry for the trouble and waiting for your quickly reply,
nice day ."
 
You could take them up on their offer.

Like a IR camera for a phone: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32966214689.html (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32966214689.html)
A nice electric screwdriver: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000128261651.html (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000128261651.html)
19999 count Aneng Multimeter: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000106560953.html (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000106560953.html)

I am interested in seeing how you go. I have a meter from Cozy Life stuck in the "Logistics Created" mode - so they cannot even say it has been lost. I do have another ordered from Cozy Life on the 26th that has just passed Australian Customs, so I am not worried about this last one.

Thanks for taking the time to find some alternatives.  :-+

But, I praise honesty too much, and when I found a disrespectful seller I never take replacements, since will no longer be interested in making a deal, and keep any sort of bond to that kind of seller.
We all can make mistakes, but what take apart the men from the child is the way we deal with our errors. Lying to get away with their mess is a child response. Not one of a professional and serious seller.
As it stands, or they send me the meter I paid for, or I paid $9 to have some amusement with them, in the same manner they are trying to play with.
They took my money in advance, kept it for a few weeks, and a refund will not return or pay interests, exchange rates and time consumed.

Now, those $9 turned into the ticket price to watch this movie  :popcorn:
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: PA0PBZ on October 14, 2019, 02:46:34 pm
Dear seller,

I am disappointed that you are not honest to me, in fact I know that my parcel never left your office.
So I will not accept a refund until I can leave a negative feedback for your store.
I could change my mind if you send me my order or give me an honest reason why you are not sending me my items that I bought and payed for.


 :popcorn:
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Bud on October 14, 2019, 03:20:48 pm
"Evil spirits are also traditionally believed to travel in straight lines, which explains many curvy roads throughout China."
http://www.religionfacts.com/chinese-religion/ghosts (http://www.religionfacts.com/chinese-religion/ghosts)

By not being straight to you they just tried not to be evil ::)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kosmic on October 14, 2019, 08:46:57 pm
My order was shipped yesterday. Ordered from "My Cozy Life Store" on September 26 (before the video). If something show up i'm going to be very surprise :)

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-1248-insane-a-0-02-process-meter-for-$9-wtf/?action=dlattach;attach=852936;image)

Well it's not going to make it  :-\

I also ended up getting a message from the seller. I will probably take the refund.

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-1248-insane-a-0-02-process-meter-for-$9-wtf/?action=dlattach;attach=854914;image)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kjelt on October 14, 2019, 09:08:14 pm
My order has also just been cancelled  :palm:
What a farce, I can not even open a dispute yet since the status remains as shipped I have to wait another 8 days before I can open a dispute.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ogden on October 14, 2019, 09:22:59 pm
I also ended up getting a message from the seller. I will probably take the refund.
For me "My Cozy Life Store" cancelled order w/o notice. Funny mass shopping spree experiment :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Electro Detective on October 14, 2019, 11:09:09 pm

   'METERGATE'  The Movie.

Hollywood/Bollywood/XXXwood where are you?   ???

Blockbuster script right here  :clap:

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Smokey on October 15, 2019, 12:36:13 am
This "lost in shipping" scam is actually pretty good for them.  They get to pass blame off on the evil "shipper", which people mostly accept as probable, and dodge the negative feedback.

Considering some of these stores listed like 500 pieces of the meter available, who knows how many orders they actually took.  But I can imagine a string of like 250 1star negative feedbacks bashing their store if they didn't have the "lost in shipping" excuse.

::EDIT::
"Manbo life Store" hasn't canceled mine yet.  No excuse message.. yet..
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: rsjsouza on October 15, 2019, 03:32:59 am
My two meters were dispatched on the 6th from My Cozy Life Store. Let's see if the gamble pays off.
Buying from Aliexpress should not be seen as a gamble. Several suppliers had this meter at a comparable price.
Each to its own. Until the meter arrives and in working condition, I treat this as a gamble. Aliexpress or eBay.

OTOH, getting back the money is not a gamble due to the buyer protections provided.
@jancumps, still think that Aliexpress is a gamble-free environment? :scared:
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ludzinc on October 15, 2019, 05:54:07 am
Mine is showing as inbound, tracking even works with Australia post!

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Xenoamor on October 15, 2019, 09:06:04 am
Anyone lodged a complaint with DHGate? My seller is now insisting they shipped the item which I'm 99% sure is a lie. I'm going to wait until whatever they did send arrives though before I lodge a complaint.
My seller has stopped being so friendly for anyone who fancies a laugh
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Mortymore on October 15, 2019, 09:29:01 am
"My Cozy Life Store" @Aliexpress cancelled my shipping yesterday stating the package was lost and the warehouse didn't had them for replacement.  :blah:

Today "My Cozy Life Store" @Aliexpress is selling the same item for $155.03 (on sale, they say)  :wtf:

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thinkfat on October 15, 2019, 11:01:39 am
My order with "Cozy Life Store" has not been cancelled yet, but I don't have high hopes ;) I also hasn't shipped yet.

Good info on them selling the same items at a higher price, that will definitely help with the complaint process ;)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thinkfat on October 15, 2019, 11:14:29 am
My order with "Cozy Life Store" has not been cancelled yet, but I don't have high hopes ;) I also hasn't shipped yet.

Good info on them selling the same items at a higher price, that will definitely help with the complaint process ;)

Oooh, I think I get it now. If I click on the order in my Aliexpress account, it leads me directly to the updated listing with the new price (it's about 140€). But it's definitely the old listing, they just changed the price.

And the interesting part: there's like over 40 5 star reviews on the item.

I figure the intention was to bolster the item with some good reviews and it was therefore listed super-cheap. Then they would change the price but the reviews would still be attached to the item.

And then some dork found the item and made a huge fuzz of it on Ze Internetz and they got bum-rushed with orders over their national holidays  :-DD Talk about bad timing!

Their faces when they noticed, must'a been priceless!
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: amyk on October 15, 2019, 11:46:52 am
Anyone lodged a complaint with DHGate? My seller is now insisting they shipped the item which I'm 99% sure is a lie. I'm going to wait until whatever they did send arrives though before I lodge a complaint.
My seller has stopped being so friendly for anyone who fancies a laugh
:wtf: They really think you're an idiot...
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ogden on October 15, 2019, 12:36:13 pm
I figure the intention was to bolster the item with some good reviews and it was therefore listed super-cheap. Then they would change the price but the reviews would still be attached to the item.
And then some dork found the item and made a huge fuzz of it on Ze Internetz and they got bum-rushed with orders over their national holidays  :-DD Talk about bad timing!
Maybe someone who made The Fuzz was affiliated? [kidding obviously] Shops involved will get tons of bad press in the end. Unless they are hopeless idiots, it was not planned. I agree to either of two versions already mentioned - price typing error or greed that kicked-in after demand spike. Could be so that such price "changes" happen in this "market", we just noticed it for first time.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: BradC on October 15, 2019, 12:48:01 pm
I wonder if the source of the meter suddenly saw a heap flying out the door and jacked the price up leaving the drop-shipping stores hamstrung?

I note there are still 9 stores that have them listed. All for > $200

The reviews make interesting reading.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: madires on October 15, 2019, 01:06:14 pm
I note there are still 9 stores that have them listed. All for > $200

Branded or unbranded? So far, the cheap ones were the unbranded version (perhaps didn't pass QA).
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: rsjsouza on October 15, 2019, 01:18:10 pm
There is a chance that Aimo (the manufacturer) took notice of unbranded meters that were sent out to customers and they recalled these units from "the warehouse". There is also a chance someone stole the units from Aimo and they either seized or asked "the warehouse" to seize the remaining units. All of this is speculation of course, but if the newer listings have the brand marked on the face of the meter, the brand may have put their finger to tap this.

 
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thinkfat on October 15, 2019, 01:25:20 pm
There is a chance that Aimo (the manufacturer) took notice of unbranded meters that were sent out to customers and they recalled these units from "the warehouse". There is also a chance someone stole the units from Aimo and they either seized or asked "the warehouse" to seize the remaining units. All of this is speculation of course, but if the newer listings have the brand marked on the face of the meter, the brand may have put their finger to tap this.

The one in Cozy Life Store doesn't have the brand on the meter. It's literally the same listing, nothing changed but the price.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Mortymore on October 15, 2019, 01:31:06 pm
...
The one in Cozy Life Store doesn't have the brand on the meter. It's literally the same listing, nothing changed but the price.

Exactly!

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Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kjelt on October 15, 2019, 02:05:16 pm
If they claim the package was lost they can sent it again since it is in stock  :-+
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ogden on October 15, 2019, 02:28:14 pm
My cozy life store message (facts are right, just rephrased):
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Item is off the shelf, maybe you want another shit? Otherwise cancel order *yourself*, doing so please choose "other reason".
In short: morons! :-DD
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thm_w on October 15, 2019, 07:50:23 pm
...
The one in Cozy Life Store doesn't have the brand on the meter. It's literally the same listing, nothing changed but the price.
Exactly!

Only two left in stock though that they salvaged  :-DD

This thing must have hit Russia before us, by about two or three weeks, tons of positive russian reviews (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000057162875.html):
"the device weighs almost a kilogram as in the description!!! Purchase is satisfied!!!"
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ogden on October 15, 2019, 08:35:16 pm
This thing must have hit Russia before us, by about two or three weeks, tons of positive russian reviews (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000057162875.html):
"the device weighs almost a kilogram as in the description!!! Purchase is satisfied!!!"
Right. They did communicate using forum (in russian), without releasing most watched EE video of the month. So to say: one man's loss is another man's gain ;)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ataradov on October 15, 2019, 09:08:39 pm
"the device weighs almost a kilogram as in the description!!! Purchase is satisfied!!!"
There are a couple of reasons for a lot of strange Russian comments.
First of all, AliExpress automatically translates comments to English. So something may be lost in translation.

Then AliExpress is huge in Russia and it is becoming bigger and bigger as Russia and China get along better and better. There are local warehouses in Russia actually.

And for the weight specifically. For Russia expected package weight is important. Package contents may get stolen/replaced on a way, so you need to know what to expect at the post office when picking up the package, so you could reject it right away.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kjelt on October 15, 2019, 09:25:25 pm
Well for the rest of us the package weight is 0.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thm_w on October 15, 2019, 10:11:20 pm
Arrived, both meters from the same warehouse/shipper, but purchased from different sellers.  :D
Will check accuracy when I get home. Battery contacts slightly corroded, someone left cells in there.. But otherwise no signs of use.

The 6xAAA's are a definitely a hassle. I have a 7.4V 9Wh cell that will almost fit in the battery compartment (13x35x54, compartment is 9.4x43x62), may look for another cell or dremel it out. For comparison 6xAAA alkaline cells are 1000mAh each (9Wh total). Would need a 2 cell compatible charger though.
Meter turns on at ~3V, low battery symbol goes off at 7.55V. So it might be OK for two cell lithium, some tests at 7.2V vs 8V input will be needed to see if accuracy suffers at all.


PDF files on USB attached, 15MB user manual is here: https://wetransfer.com/downloads/4ccdc868ea1903ab4673b0449612731520191015210052/be1fa994ce377dc95802f5cd542a00cd20191015210052/e279ba (until oct 22)

The 256MB USB key would not transfer files as windows picked up all the virus :palm:. USB key is also "fake", only 128MB or so capacity, do yourself a favor and just throw it straight into the recycling:
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The media is likely to be defective.
113.9 MByte OK (233344 sectors)
125.0 MByte DATA LOST (256128 sectors)

edit1: interestingly the first meter does not have a logo on the LCD thats been rubbed off, whereas the second meter does. Second meter has solder on the battery tabs to improve contact. First meter had R8 resistor removed, second is 182k (part of the boost circuit, FB pin of MAX629). So maybe they made it part way through the production process.
edit2: my V output is way off (8.25V at 9V setting), but the mV output is dead on.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: amspire on October 15, 2019, 10:59:32 pm
Arrived, both meters from the same warehouse/shipper, but purchased from different sellers.  :D
Congratulations! The calibration file your calibration file is the same as mine, so that can be chucked.

The virus in the setup.exe is known. Don't try and install the software. That is one of the reasons I went down the python track: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/ampx1-process-calibrator-multimeter/. (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/ampx1-process-calibrator-multimeter/.) I am a novice at Python, but I am getting there - should have the autodetection of the correct COM port working soon, and I have to set up a decent file capture.

It is worth looking at the mods I suggested previously in this thread - they really make the meter work decently. The default way the battery connects to the PCB is very dodgy. The only contact problem I have now is the banana socket springs on the ends of the probes. Maybe I can replace them with gold plated ones from another connector.

The meter has a number of calibration potentiometers, and working out what they do will be the next step. Hopefully, you can tweak the reference output. My one is about 2mV high at 10V. The outputs are quite useful - 10uV steps to 100mV, 1mV steps to 10V, and 1uA steps to 24mA.

Richard
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wilfred on October 15, 2019, 11:56:54 pm
I've still got 2days left on the 10 day extension and still awaiting shipment. I've pretty well given up on ever receiving them(*). But my question is, is there any pros/cons to just cancelling the order? Mainly in respect of getting the refund from Aliexpress.

Since I haven't been BS'd I don't habour grudges against the seller Manbo Life store.

(*) TBH my initial enthusiasm for a bargain has waned considerably inview of some comments seen. Notwithstanding Dave's review.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maginnovision on October 16, 2019, 01:46:25 am
I didn't find anyway to adjust the output values but dcv is the highest pot. I suspect the output values are all about the micro and dac(+ref).
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: all_repair on October 16, 2019, 02:28:45 am
I didn't find anyway to adjust the output values but dcv is the highest pot. I suspect the output values are all about the micro and dac(+ref).
I am in the same position but with "my cozy life store".  I would let the shop off if it is due to overbooking, problem now is the shop is selling the same reject (with brand and model removed) at US$155.03 .    I would want to leave a negative rating.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: BravoV on October 16, 2019, 03:06:01 am
Arrived, both meters from the same warehouse/shipper, but purchased from different sellers.  :D

Congratz  :clap:

Which sellers (shop names) are they ? And date of purchase ?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ebclr on October 16, 2019, 03:43:41 am
Does not have any sense to pay more than USD 20 on this, It's much better options on USD100 range
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: innkeeper on October 16, 2019, 06:11:58 am
I am seeing a pattern here with a few sellers
they offered it cheap as others...and sold some.
They discovered it was worth more then they were selling it for and up the price on their store.
tried to get as many people to cancel the existing orders, except some other item in exchange so they can sell more at a higher price, or even in once case try to get them to pay more.

the interesting dynamic at play here is:
If you don't voluntary cancel your order or except something else in exchange, they are pressed into a situation where they have to ship something or, admit to Ali express or DHgate that they sold an item they don't have. However, a few of them raising the prices after the order, and still showing it in stock makes this hard for them to explain.
So to keep in good standing with Ali express or DHgate, they would either have to send you the item or do something very unscrupulous. .. lost in shipping, ship you a box of rocks, or a wrong item maybe claiming they shipped you the right thing?
Though doing something unscrupulous risks getting bad feedback, which, if they get enough, can be a problem with Ali Express and DH gate if they receive enough negatives..not to mention hurting sales

This should be very interesting, personally, mine shows in transit and having been put in a plane. I'm gonna let this play out. last message i got after all kinds of explanation of not being in stock, please ask for a refund and tell them you don't want it anymore also please except another item,  then recieving a tracking number and then them saying its just a shipping number nothing was shipped etc please cancel your order, i waited this out and now....after seeing it tracking and loaded on a plane, I asked what the story was and now they say .... we must have found one in the warehouse and shipped it.

if I actually do get somthing I am going to open it on cam, cause well if they pull something, I want it documented i'll be plenty shocked if I get it and have learned a lesson on how to deal with vendors like this going forward..

I hope dave does a video on all these shenanigans once this all plays out for people.





Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kjelt on October 16, 2019, 07:38:39 am
What I think is the most strange part is that even if the seller cancels the shipment you can not file a dispute with aliexpress since it was shipped.
No it was not shipped it was cancelled, the aliexpress software goofs this one up.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: sorenkir on October 16, 2019, 08:08:01 am
On its way (it seems)...
Not clear to me what does "Clearance Constraint" means ?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ogden on October 16, 2019, 09:21:00 am
On its way (it seems)...
Not clear to me what does "Clearance Constraint" means ?
Possible explanation: customs officer do not believe declared 9$ price because webpage say ~200$ :D You may be asked to provide payment documents. Just educated guess.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thinkfat on October 16, 2019, 09:29:14 am
On its way (it seems)...
Not clear to me what does "Clearance Constraint" means ?
Possible explanation: customs officer do not believe declared 9$ price because webpage say ~200$ :D You may be asked to provide payment documents. Just educated guess.
Other explanation: customs officer found it was full of rocks.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Macbeth on October 16, 2019, 09:59:41 am
On its way (it seems)...
Not clear to me what does "Clearance Constraint" means ?
Mine is also showing Clearance Constraint on Ali.

Try searching with https://m.17track.net/en (https://m.17track.net/en). I get "UK, is in the process of declaring, please contact the customs broker for details, tel:"
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: member_xyz on October 16, 2019, 10:23:39 am

After all the saga with DHgate and yasari seller, package shipment is making progress.
Question remains, what's in the package?

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16 Oct 2019

04:01
China Post
Planned handed over to airline , Planed flight number TRUCK-GA857-714, Planed departure time 23:30

14 Oct 2019

05:29
China Post
Departed Shenzhen GuoJiDaZongYouJianChuLi ZhongXin , Next stop Shenzhen international

14 Oct 2019

00:38
China Post
Shenzhen Shenzhen GuoJiDaZongYouJianChuLiZhongXin received , The postman :WBLuLiangLiang

Shenzhen
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kjelt on October 16, 2019, 10:33:00 am
On its way (it seems)...
Not clear to me what does "Clearance Constraint" means ?
Don't get your hopes up, as long as it has not departed the country of origin the package might be a virtual number tossed around.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: NANDBlog on October 16, 2019, 12:04:34 pm
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Parcel Status: Shipment cancelled by seller
Well it was too good to be true.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kosmic on October 16, 2019, 01:18:11 pm
My order was shipped yesterday. Ordered from "My Cozy Life Store" on September 26 (before the video). If something show up i'm going to be very surprise :)

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-1248-insane-a-0-02-process-meter-for-$9-wtf/?action=dlattach;attach=852936;image)

Well it's not going to make it  :-\

I also ended up getting a message from the seller. I will probably take the refund.

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-1248-insane-a-0-02-process-meter-for-$9-wtf/?action=dlattach;attach=854914;image)


Just getting better and better  :-DD

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-1248-insane-a-0-02-process-meter-for-$9-wtf/?action=dlattach;attach=855908;image)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kosmic on October 16, 2019, 01:27:24 pm
Decided to wait it out and then file a complain on aliexpress. In the meanwhile I recommended the seller to try to cancel the transaction on aliexpress.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: rsjsouza on October 16, 2019, 01:34:57 pm
Whatever was sent, the package is at the same stage as others: Customs clearance process. Ordered from My Cozy Life Store in Sept 26th, shipped in Oct 5th.

Funny how the inner details were stripped from 17track after the customs step.

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Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: TurboTom on October 16, 2019, 01:37:25 pm
Maybe also send a link to this thread to AliExpress customer protection department? If they take their job serious, this should result in some real trouble for several stores listed there.

Considering the now raised prices for the apparently "reappeared" stock: Since virtually all the instruments shipped seem to be flawed in some way and require maintenance, and may or may not be repairable, the previous price reflected their actual value. If someone really spends the money the stores are asking now, he will be pretty much disappointed of what he receives. Meaning MORE TROUBLE for the stores...  :P
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thinkfat on October 16, 2019, 02:32:31 pm
Maybe also send a link to this thread to AliExpress customer protection department? If they take their job serious, this should result in some real trouble for several stores listed there.

Considering the now raised prices for the apparently "reappeared" stock: Since virtually all the instruments shipped seem to be flawed in some way and require maintenance, and may or may not be repairable, the previous price reflected their actual value. If someone really spends the money the stores are asking now, he will be pretty much disappointed of what he receives. Meaning MORE TROUBLE for the stores...  :P

Yep, they might find out they picked the wrong crowd to mess with ;)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maxwell3e10 on October 16, 2019, 03:11:05 pm
I also ordered one from My Cozy Life Store on Sept 26th. Something was shipped on Oct 12th (within a day of the processing time deadline) and is currently making its way through the postal system.

I'd like to comment though on two human aspects of this saga:

Everyone loves a good bargain. It may literally be a steal if the origin of these meters is some waste disposal site.  I checked the status of this order more than any other, even much more valuable. It's like a Black Friday crowd at Walmart (for Americans).

I feel somewhat bad for the sellers. We are all sitting here with plenty of time and disposable income on our hands. They are trying to make a living shipping 100 packages a day for $1 a box. So I think if one doesn't get this unreasonably good deal, there is no reason to complain.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kosmic on October 16, 2019, 03:17:16 pm
I feel somewhat bad for the sellers. We are all sitting here with plenty of time and disposable income on our hands. They are trying to make a living shipping 100 packages a day for $1 a box. So I think if one doesn't get this unreasonably good deal, there is no reason to complain.

The fact that they don't want to cancel the transaction and provided false tracking information is the reason why I’m going to complain. They should have cancelled the order when they realized they were not in measure to provide the product.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kjelt on October 16, 2019, 06:20:08 pm
Exactly, honesty and transparancy will be rewarded, false information (false shipping and tracking info) without sending anything, more than two weeks of stalling and then cancelling the shipment so no-one can complain is at least intentional misleading customers, something aliexpress will not take lightly. It damages the ali express reputation because you can't trust the provided information.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: TurboTom on October 16, 2019, 06:21:09 pm
I would have accepted as well if they were honest and told that they made a mistake with the expected shipping expenses since the parcels / bags were larger than anticipated and thus cannot provide the free shipping service. But providing a tracking number, waiting two weeks, then cancelling the shipment with a fake story and expecting the seller to cancel the order and post a good feedback for the "transaction" -- that won't happen with me.  :--

P.S. @Kjelt beat me on this...  ;)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thm_w on October 16, 2019, 07:51:26 pm
Congratz  :clap:

Which sellers (shop names) are they ? And date of purchase ?

House of happiness Store - Sep 26 17:00
My Cozy Life Store - Sep 26 15:00

I am seeing a pattern here with a few sellers
they offered it cheap as others...and sold some.
They discovered it was worth more then they were selling it for and up the price on their store.
tried to get as many people to cancel the existing orders, except some other item in exchange so they can sell more at a higher price, or even in once case try to get them to pay more.

OK sure, but look at my cozy life store, literally 2 in stock, its not like they hoarded a ton of meters. Not to mention its not even them that has the item on hand, its the warehouse, and they ran out long before they were able to ship all of the orders. Simple as that.


Some output measurements after cleaning:
Code: [Select]
Vout set - Vout actual
10   9.999V
9    8.998
5    4.994
1    0.991

mA set -  mA actual
0       1.9uA
5u      7.5uA
50u     52.8uA
500u    503uA
10m     9.997mA

mV set - mV actual
0    -0.275mV
1     0.707mV
10    9.742mV
100   100.072mV

Power consumption: 0.13W, backlight on 0.24W (all ranges/all settings/USB on/off doesnt matter).
Backlight: shuts off automatically, so on the Vout setting it cannot be turned back on and you have to switch back to another setting.
Diode test: 1.65V output
Cap test: ~0.86V
Max 10V scale reading: 10.999V, hard clamps the input at 11.9V (so careful with this one)
24V output: 27mA current into short


The fact that they don't want to cancel the transaction and provided false tracking information is the reason why I’m going to complain. They should have cancelled the order when they realized they were not in measure to provide the product.

I realize they misrepresented the tracking number as being legit, there is a chance it was a pre-assigned number for the order, and definitely no actual attempt was made to steal money.
Anyway, if you are interested in accepting their refund as they requested, I would offer to send you my second meter for $30 CAD (shipped with lots of extras if you want).
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: rsjsouza on October 16, 2019, 08:02:44 pm
Although I agree with the sentiment of solidarity, I also agree with others going the extra mile to make the malpractices listened by the encompassing company that puts these stores in the public eye.

Disposable income or not, I can't help but wonder if a local store or shop owner would be granted a similar sense of understanding if they have done such misconduct.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Mortymore on October 16, 2019, 09:23:30 pm
Congratz  :clap:

Which sellers (shop names) are they ? And date of purchase ?

House of happiness Store - Sep 26 17:00
My Cozy Life Store - Sep 26 15:00


I bought mine from My Cozy Life Store on 26th 05:40
Got a tracking number on 28th 22:20
Had the Shipment cancelled 2019-10-14 22:20:37
Next day they relist the exact same meter for $155

So it seems that I bought mine before you did, but I only had news from the store this monday, after I asked them if they actually had shipped the meter or not.
They told me that is was lost (there's an emoticon "showing the bird" missing in the forum. I would have used it here)

There's something deeply wrong with this behaviour, that's not unique with this store
 
A recent example that happened to me with "Cncncool Gabrielle Store"
Waiting for pickup 2019-08-08 14:38:58 [GMT+8]
Shipment cancelled 2019-08-21 14:38:46

2 weeks later, they cancelled the shipping with no explanation. I got refunded and left negative feedback for the seller.

In 1 year dealing with Aliexpress, the 11 deals I made, I'd say 1/3 ended with something went wrong, and that's mainly because most of my deals there were with "BASEUS OfficialFlagship Store", that never let me down.

I'm registered in eBay since Feb.2005 with over 1500 votes, and in all this years I had few more things went wrong that I have in Aliexpress with 11 deals in 1 year.
I think I'll stick only for "BASEUS OfficialFlagship Store" in Aliexpress. It's a lottery there.  |O
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Macbeth on October 16, 2019, 09:55:11 pm
...In 1 year dealing with Aliexpress, the 11 deals I made, I'd say 1/3 ended with something went wrong...
I was wondering if the Ali sellers are allocating stock on the basis of a buyers existing rep? Is there some kind of Chinese "Social Credit" score involved that sellers can see?
I have been using AliExpress since 2012 and have only had a couple of disputes, none on the big ticket items, just the trivial low value stuff and all have been resolved.
After Dave's tip I got in this farce early but not as early as others who have since been cancelled or fobbed off.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Brumby on October 16, 2019, 11:51:39 pm
My two units from Manbo life Store are still showing as awaiting shipment.  I just sent the message I mentioned earlier: "I've waited for the holiday to end plus your normal shipping time and the items have not yet been shipped.  I trust you will attend to this matter soon as I am very keen to get these units."

There is 1 day 10 hours left on the processing time.

I will be curious as to what response I will get, if any.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Psi on October 16, 2019, 11:54:59 pm
My two units from Manbo life Store are still showing as awaiting shipment.  I just sent the message I mentioned earlier: "I've waited for the holiday to end plus your normal shipping time and the items have not yet been shipped.  I trust you will attend to this matter soon as I am very keen to get these units."

There is 1 day 10 hours left on the processing time.

I will be curious as to what response I will get, if any.

Mine was doing that too, in the end i canceled the order and bought something else that i wanted more.
But i would be interested to know if their units do actually ship.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thm_w on October 17, 2019, 05:04:57 am
Quick lipo mod, one cell fits in the battery compartment and one cell below the LCD. Barrel plug to charge.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: BravoV on October 17, 2019, 05:30:24 am
Congratz  :clap:

Which sellers (shop names) are they ? And date of purchase ?

House of happiness Store - Sep 26 17:00
My Cozy Life Store - Sep 26 15:00

Thanks, I guess timing was really critical, both mine from House of happiness Store bought on Sep 27th, although the current status is shipped, but still no tracking, chances of shipment failing still possible like the ship got pirated in the middle of the sea.  ::)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: PA0PBZ on October 17, 2019, 06:41:31 am
But i would be interested to know if their units do actually ship.

The logistics company will lose the parcel.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: JackJones on October 17, 2019, 06:47:25 am
I tried to cancel my order from Manbo life store, and I chose the reason "products out of stock". They refused to cancel and told me to change the reason. Now they show 1 meter in stock.  :palm:

I think what happened is that they put one back in stock (I mean marked it at one in stock) so that I couldn't cancel with the reason "products out of stock" anymore.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: PA0PBZ on October 17, 2019, 06:51:02 am
They refused to cancel and told me to change the reason. Now they show 1 meter in stock.

Quick, buy it!  :box:
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: beanflying on October 17, 2019, 07:04:14 am
Still waiting on dheadGate's time for lodging a claim against the seller for false tracking number.

So while waiting for this gamble to pay off or not I upped the anti and brought a Fluke 725 with a suspect display. Which will be the better gamble time will tell  :-//

Things being well cleaning and reseating the zebra strips will sort it if not time to hold out an arm or sell a kidney and see how much of it Fluke needs for payment for a new LCD.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thinkfat on October 17, 2019, 07:12:03 am
Apparently the "Cozy Life" sent me a message on the 12th. I wonder how I could have missed it, I was checking for messages, like, every other minute over the last few days :-D

Quote
Dear customer,
Sorry. The item is off shelf now and we can not send it to you. In order not to delay your time, how about change another item? Or if you do not want other items, could you please choose the "other reason" to cancel the order?
Hope your understanding!
Best regards.

This is while the shop's inventory shows two items in stock :-)

My reply was that "out of stock" is obviously not true and that I expect shipment of my purchase soon ;)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Electro Detective on October 17, 2019, 08:13:52 am

"Hello Freind again,

we so solly to report shipment is lose again because much fight happen in ports and many ship is sunk or missings.

Godzilla and Kong have big argue, we cannot think about anything but run for life in tunnels and hope store is still there after,

and cross finger looters and pirates not rob all metres

we update you asap but meantime why you no consider refund or orange color metre with bigest display so no wait more?

Much solly again for this bad luck and best regrads from BS Team at Brightest Star Electronic


and *plz* sirs or ladies no forgets -Like- us on Facebook  :) "


Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ebclr on October 17, 2019, 08:40:24 am
Mine both tracking appear to be false, other goods ordered from other suppliers in the same day. both are already in my country Duane and tracking worked a few days after the postage.

Both My Cozy Life Store and  House of happiness Tracking still stuck without any updated. Store simple does not reply to any message.

Posting false tracking number is unacceptable, I will do my best to f...  those 2 stores, At the right time I will make a complaint and a zero star for sure.  I'm not afraid of the money that is peanuts and will be back, It's all about the dodgy attitude

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kjelt on October 17, 2019, 08:50:59 am
Thanks, I guess timing was really critical, both mine from House of happiness Store bought on Sep 27th, although the current status is shipped, but still no tracking, chances of shipment failing still possible
Welcome to the House of Unhappy Customers store,
please buy anything you see we will not ship it anyway, we will tell you we shipped it but we don't ship it, that is our customer policy.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ebclr on October 17, 2019, 08:56:28 am
I just discovered one tracking site that actually has a little more info at least shows destination



https://global.cainiao.com/

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: PA0PBZ on October 17, 2019, 09:30:06 am
I just discovered one tracking site that actually has a little more info at least shows destination

17track does the same: https://www.17track.net (https://www.17track.net)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ArthurDent on October 17, 2019, 04:50:50 pm
It's getting close to 3 weeks and my 2 calibrators haven't left China yet. At this rate I might get them next summer, unless pirates get them first.  8)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: BradC on October 18, 2019, 12:18:09 am
It's getting close to 3 weeks and my 2 calibrators haven't left China yet. At this rate I might get them next summer, unless pirates get them first.  8)

Try a different tracker. Mine says the same thing, but 17track shows the arrivals and departures are China, Hong Kong and Australia.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ArthurDent on October 18, 2019, 03:55:18 am
17track shows the same information that my items have not departed from its country of origin.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: amspire on October 18, 2019, 04:10:43 am
I tried to cancel my order from Manbo life store, and I chose the reason "products out of stock". They refused to cancel and told me to change the reason. Now they show 1 meter in stock.  :palm:
I just queried Manbo about my meter meter and they replied with the sad story about how logistics had lost my meter. I did look to see whether their store had anything else I wanted and couldn't find a single thing. They want to refund via PayPal, and I refused. They are trying to avoid AliExpress seeing a huge number of fake shipping/fake lost item stories.

I am lucky - I ordered 4 meters and will get 3, so I do not really need the Manbo one anyway. The Manbo one was ordered on the 28th when just about all the other stores had run out of stock, so I never had much hope, since I am sure they are all the same warehouse. It wasn't considerate of Dave to cause this mayhem just as they are all getting ready for their week long holiday.  :)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Smokey on October 18, 2019, 07:55:23 am

I am lucky - I ordered 4 meters and will get 3...


Since they are listed for at least $150 now, and there is all this fuss about them, I'd say flip them for $100 each.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wilfred on October 18, 2019, 08:30:32 am
I've still got 2days left on the 10 day extension and still awaiting shipment. I've pretty well given up on ever receiving them(*). But my question is, is there any pros/cons to just cancelling the order? Mainly in respect of getting the refund from Aliexpress.

Since I haven't been BS'd I don't habour grudges against the seller Manbo Life store.

(*) TBH my initial enthusiasm for a bargain has waned considerably inview of some comments seen. Notwithstanding Dave's review.

My order has progressed to Shipped with only  4 hours to spare from the 10 day extension. Not overly optimistic but only 30 - 59 days to wait. Definitely not holding my breath.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: amspire on October 18, 2019, 08:57:46 am

I am lucky - I ordered 4 meters and will get 3...


Since they are listed for at least $150 now, and there is all this fuss about them, I'd say flip them for $100 each.
Are they selling any at that price? The maximum I could imagine going myself for an unbranded meter like this is $50 if I was desperate. 

One of the main reasons I went for 4 meters was to just have multiple identical meters with a very well isolated Serial/USB port.

It looks like the accuracy of the 7721 multimeter IC reference (VR2) and the AC volts (VR1) can be tweaked. The potentiometer down near the current shunt probably tweaks the 10A range. So I probably could get pretty close to a 0.01% accuracy in the short term. The voltage and current source needs more investigation. I am not sure why it is not more linear - can it be improved ? I am not sure how the calibration features are calibrated, but that may be done in the CPU. Probably can find a way to add some external pots to allow +/- 0.1% adjustment
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: PA0PBZ on October 18, 2019, 09:15:12 am
Dear seller,

I am disappointed that you are not honest to me, in fact I know that my parcel never left your office.
So I will not accept a refund until I can leave a negative feedback for your store.
I could change my mind if you send me my order or give me an honest reason why you are not sending me my items that I bought and payed for.


Response from Manbo:

Dear friend,
we want to resend,but we have no stock now
would you mind choose other item with similar price in our store?
or do you have other solution ?
we try our best to solve the problem
best regards


So not going anywhere. I'll just wait a few more days and then open a dispute about fake tracking numbers.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kjelt on October 18, 2019, 11:17:37 am
I filed a dispute today however since the seller used Aliexpress shipping , Aliexpress will deal with it.
See how this is followed up.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Brumby on October 18, 2019, 12:45:48 pm
Ah!  Status has changed to "Awaiting delivery" ... but ...

My message yesterday:
I've waited for the holiday to end plus your normal shipping time and the items have not yet been shipped.  I trust you will attend to this matter soon as I am very keen to get these units.

Their response today:
Dear friend,
Sorry, we just got the information from the warehouse when packing the parcels
there is some quality problems for this batch of this item, can not be shipped out .
We tried our best to correct it , but still can't fix it totally .
So we suggest to refund to you in case you have to wait too long
How about you cancel the order first?
And you can place the new order later if we figure the problems out.
Once again, we send our sincere apology and hope to hear from you soon.
if you want to cancel the order, could you choose the reason 1 or 2
for example : "buyer does not want to buy"or "other reason" for faster refund
There is not effect on you to choose which reason
Best regards

My response just now:
I saw a review of this unit which showed some quality issues.  It was because of these that the price seemed appropriate and since I was happy to deal with the quality issues, I purchased these units.  As such, I would ask that you get your warehouse to ship the two units I purchased as soon as you can.

I wonder what will be next?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thinkfat on October 18, 2019, 01:06:22 pm
Apparently the "Cozy Life" sent me a message on the 12th. I wonder how I could have missed it, I was checking for messages, like, every other minute over the last few days :-D

Quote
Dear customer,
Sorry. The item is off shelf now and we can not send it to you. In order not to delay your time, how about change another item? Or if you do not want other items, could you please choose the "other reason" to cancel the order?
Hope your understanding!
Best regards.

This is while the shop's inventory shows two items in stock :-)

My reply was that "out of stock" is obviously not true and that I expect shipment of my purchase soon ;)

Ahaha :) Now the item shows as shipped! I'm pretty sure it will be stuck in customs or they will cancel the shipment in a bit :-)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: rsjsouza on October 18, 2019, 01:59:02 pm
Brumby, at least they don't seem to have lied to you.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thinkfat on October 18, 2019, 05:42:28 pm
Apparently the "Cozy Life" sent me a message on the 12th. I wonder how I could have missed it, I was checking for messages, like, every other minute over the last few days :-D

Quote
Dear customer,
Sorry. The item is off shelf now and we can not send it to you. In order not to delay your time, how about change another item? Or if you do not want other items, could you please choose the "other reason" to cancel the order?
Hope your understanding!
Best regards.

This is while the shop's inventory shows two items in stock :-)

My reply was that "out of stock" is obviously not true and that I expect shipment of my purchase soon ;)

Ahaha :) Now the item shows as shipped! I'm pretty sure it will be stuck in customs or they will cancel the shipment in a bit :-)

Ah well. Noticed they chose EMS and not Aliexpress standard shipping. They're still trying to get out of it clean. I'm pretty sure they faked the shipment, as the shipping deadline was closing in and it's their only way of keeping Aliexpress out of it while they still have hope. The next deadline is "Delivery". I'll probably keep them simmering on small heat for a while now.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: amspire on October 18, 2019, 08:39:19 pm

Ahaha :) Now the item shows as shipped! I'm pretty sure it will be stuck in customs or they will cancel the shipment in a bit :-)

Ah well. Noticed they chose EMS and not Aliexpress standard shipping. They're still trying to get out of it clean. I'm pretty sure they faked the shipment, as the shipping deadline was closing in and it's their only way of keeping Aliexpress out of it while they still have hope. The next deadline is "Delivery". I'll probably keep them simmering on small heat for a while now.
I have got two meters from Cozy Life and one was sent EMS. The other was sent by DPD. I have no idea what DPD is, but it is incredible - it only took one week to get delivered to a regional PO in Australia. Australia Post is lucky to take 4 days! Cozy Life definitely had real stock. If they say they shipped it by EMS, it is very possible you will get it.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ebclr on October 19, 2019, 07:00:49 am
Well they finally thrown the towel, and starting telling bs,

It's quite easy to refund by the aliexpress system, why they want to use PayPal, after a 5 start positive, It's another dodgy behavior.

I will fight to help them learn to be honest, and work with honest behavior, not a dodgy seller creating lies, like quality problems, or lost in the parcel, things that do not happen without at least the tracking be running.

The fact they have the stock, they are greed, and they creating excuses, to try to sell at a higher price, The honest behaviour was ok, I made a mistake on price and the order was cancelled , here is your money back, Everthing prior to shipping.

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: FrankBuss on October 19, 2019, 07:21:38 am
I will fight to help them learn to be honest, and work with honest behavior, not a dodgy seller creating lies, like quality problems, or lost in the parcel, things that do not happen without at least the tracking be running.

I did fight a few eBay sellers (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/dodgy-technology/9900-mah-18650-accus/). One seller offered 9,900 mAh 18650 accumulators, but measured capacity was only 400 mAh. Another seller offered even 12,000 mAh, at least measured capacity was 1,500 mAh. Got a full refund for both (the second one only after eBay solved the dispute, the seller wrote me that he didn't have to pay it back), and both sellers got a negative feedback from me, and the German seller will get a cease-and-desist-letter from Wettbewerbszentrale (http://www.wettbewerbszentrale.de) with fees.

One EEVblog member mentioned that Aliexpress is usually better than eBay for 18650 accumulators. But I'm not sure. Just search for "9900" on Aliexpress, and you will get many pages with the same crap battery. So if you need a 400 mAh accumulator for free, just buy them and then ask for a refund >:D

But meanwhile the multimeter is marked as delivered from both sellers on Aliexpress where I bought it. Hopefully it will be the right one.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Electro Detective on October 19, 2019, 08:31:24 am

"Hello Freind again,

please beleive we try best efort to get metre to you but more things happen we can not help

first the problems we email before, how is this possible to happen?

now daughter is want get married for this sunday in big hurry, and not listen to reason from father and mummy
becaues she naughty things with one of the pirate during problems
and say he is not such bad person now and not steel and kill again in future if marry now and settles

so what can we do now but do this, otherwise daughter not work in store or website sales or deliver to shipping places
and please understand is be big shame in province and hard to marry, so better we put head down and let her marry pirate

he make it not easy, want to invite all pirate friends who ask for much rum and wisky at recespion 
and make us pay for hire suits and bus too. if we do this they say no one will have harm at party, so what can do?   

we solly to birden you with this but must understand is much bad luck for everyone this sale, not just buyer 

we update you asap after teusday when there plane go for honeemoon world tours

but meantime why you no consider refund or orange color metre with bigest display and specail cables with no oxygen,
so no wait more and start probe electic things instaed ?


Much solly again for this more bad luck



Yours sincerely,
 
Pinn Oh Kio

Team Leader

BS Team at Brightest Star Electronic


email: BSTL@BSE.com"



Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: sorenkir on October 19, 2019, 08:33:30 am
I have got two meters from Cozy Life and one was sent EMS. The other was sent by DPD. I have no idea what DPD is, but it is incredible - it only took one week to get delivered to a regional PO in Australia. Australia Post is lucky to take 4 days! Cozy Life definitely had real stock. If they say they shipped it by EMS, it is very possible you will get it.

Mine is progressing on its way (My Cozy Life Store + EMS).
Michel.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ebclr on October 19, 2019, 08:35:21 am
Mine is also marked as delivered by all sellers But is a deliver that the track does not work or update, as usual, finally yesterday, they assume with excuses, Be ready for the same on your orders, The fact only very few people had the meter really shipped, I'm on an early bird on this, bought few minutes after the post ( not the video ).

sorenkir  appear to be ones of those who will receive the meter
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: amspire on October 19, 2019, 08:43:20 am
Electro Detective,

This is a real eBay message I got from a seller pretending to ship from Sydney, Australia, but was really shipping from China. The package was posted in China on the day it was meant to be delivered by in Australia:

Dear friend,

Nice day, sorry to bother you, hope all the best to you.

Today, I want to tell you a story, a girl, was born in remote mountainous, every morning trained when high school, she looked at mountain and thought, what is the world outside the mountains, and later, she went to a ordinary university, study hard,day day up, wanted to find a good job, but the amount of Chinese graduates were huge, after graduated she only found a very low salary job which could only met the basic food, what’s more, she worked just like a robot , no fighting power, then she does as a customer service, and finally find a happy support, although just as a newcomer, but full of passion, although make mistakes, but meet customers and service customers are her greatest achievement.

This is my story, your affirmation and recognition is my greatest encouragement, although we have a lot of shortcomings, but make every effort to protect your right,we are full of young and energetic, I believe tomorrow will be better.

You know we are trying to be a good seller.The feedback is very important for us.your support and help will keep us moving forward and constantly improving our service.
i beg you give us more chance to service for you, hope you could understand.If you agree, we will send you a revise link just now.
Waiting for your soon news.
Sandy


I am still in counselling after I had to give them a negative rating. I don't know how I could be so cruel.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ebclr on October 19, 2019, 08:47:51 am
This is all BS,  She did wrong, you MUST show the world what she did, to help others getout of the trap, Don't  be "a good samaritan" to one that is smiling on you, Do what they deserve
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ogden on October 19, 2019, 09:05:45 am
Much solly again for this more bad luck

Yours sincerely,
Pinn Oh Kio
Team Leader

BS Team at Brightest Star Electronic

Their BS team leader composed bullshit for you 8)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Brumby on October 19, 2019, 09:21:37 am
Brumby, at least they don't seem to have lied to you.

It's cute that you think that.

Here's the next instalment...
Dear customer,
We are sorry for the trouble, understand your feeling,
however we have sent item back to suppliers
you can place the new order later if we figure the problems out.
we will refund via paypal
please give us your paypal account

thanks

My response:
If I order again in the future, will the price be the same?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kjelt on October 19, 2019, 02:15:23 pm
Aliexpress has closed the dispute and refunded me.
However the $ has decreased vs the euro so i got €0,57 less back  >:(
So they earned on this farce and I still can not give a bad feedback score to these fake sellers.
This really s*cks, I am going skip using aliexpress.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thinkfat on October 19, 2019, 02:30:24 pm

Ahaha :) Now the item shows as shipped! I'm pretty sure it will be stuck in customs or they will cancel the shipment in a bit :-)

Ah well. Noticed they chose EMS and not Aliexpress standard shipping. They're still trying to get out of it clean. I'm pretty sure they faked the shipment, as the shipping deadline was closing in and it's their only way of keeping Aliexpress out of it while they still have hope. The next deadline is "Delivery". I'll probably keep them simmering on small heat for a while now.
I have got two meters from Cozy Life and one was sent EMS. The other was sent by DPD. I have no idea what DPD is, but it is incredible - it only took one week to get delivered to a regional PO in Australia. Australia Post is lucky to take 4 days! Cozy Life definitely had real stock. If they say they shipped it by EMS, it is very possible you will get it.

Nah, not kidding myself here. It's obvious they don't have stock. They faked the shipment to not raise eyebrows at Aliexpress. Had I known the game better, I'd not have extended the shipping deadline. This is likely what cost me the meter. But I'm going to play chicken with them for a while, it's just too entertaining to just let it slide.

Regarding DPD: might be "Deutscher Paket Dienst". But I'm curious why they would be active in Asia. Yay for German precision shipping ;)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ArthurDent on October 19, 2019, 02:34:53 pm
Woo-Hoo! My tracking has been updated. The items still haven't left China but it appears they are sitting on the dock waiting to be shipped (or grabbed by pirates). Until, and if I get a chance to open the package and actually see the items, I won't believe this is real.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ogden on October 19, 2019, 02:47:46 pm
After I refused to take "alternate meter" from their store, Cozy Life is offering to refund whooping ~0.2$ more than I paid and insist ask me to give 5-star feedback. >:D >:D
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Pinkus on October 19, 2019, 04:33:13 pm
I am wondering what would be the way to allow me to give a negative feedback at Ali? My meter was marked as shipped, 'waiting for pickup' then for 2 weeks and then the shipment was cancelled by the seller. So what would be the best way to allow me to give a negative feedback?
Of course I may open a dispute now and surely will get my money back, but then no negative feedback will be possible.
Any idea?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kjelt on October 19, 2019, 07:47:00 pm
@Pinkus you can't unless you want to lie.
Then you state you received an package, give them zero stars then file a dispute.
Since they started the lying I think it is karma  >:D
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Electro Detective on October 19, 2019, 11:07:44 pm
Now that the dust is finally settling, and the writing is on the dunny door..

what would be a fair 'voluntary donation' amount for the unstocked sellers to offer disappointed (lied to) buyers,
for good feedback, neutral/meh feedback, or no sale/ faulty item/ danger recall/ security fail/ DIY concocted BS/  etc  ..?


@ too nice people: Hey, THEY started it, kept rolling with it, and apparently still are,
as well as member Kjelt reporting being out of pocket on the deal on top of the BS replies and string along  :horse:

plus what's stopping them from pulling a routine like this again in the future?   :-//

so...  :popcorn:


Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: SantaClaw on October 20, 2019, 09:06:36 pm
Well, I ordered one of the 40$ ones on Sep. 28 via the  Pangpang Life Store on AliExpress, after a while, I noticed the processing time on aliexpress was about to expire, so I extended it by 14 days...

I sent them a message asking why it hadn't been sent after about 3 days... They never replied.. So I sort of expected that the order would just fizzle out into never being shipped and me getting my money back.. I sent them two more messages... No reply...

Today, they got back to me, after what, two, nearly three weeks? With a tracking number...

So apparently they are honoring the price.

I am exited to see what will arrive. Well, It will prolly arrive around mid November so maybe the excitement will fizzle away abit before then :P

I see by the tracking number: on the 9'th of october: "Logistics orders created (quick-selling platform)" I bet it will never ship... lol
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Mortymore on October 21, 2019, 09:56:43 am
By now they must be crazy because of me  >:D

They insist the relisted meter is not same, and I insist that they clarify were the differences are.

Last message from My Cozy Life Store:

Dear
sorry
the item do isn't the same
please have a check
we choose from different supply
Could you please confirm that you have the paypal account?If you are not convenience,
we can also refund to your friend's or your family's paypal account.
If register, please take any email address to the website: Https://www.paypal.com/to/webapps/mpp/home (http://Https://www.paypal.com/to/webapps/mpp/home)   
Or you can choose something else with the similar price ,then  we can send to you.
Thanks for your support and understanding in advance .
Nice day.

My answer:

"please have a check" I've checked and see no differences. That's why I asked you what they are. If the supplier is different that doesn't mean anything. A Fluke 87 is always a Fluke 87, no matter who sells it. Unless one of them is selling counterfeit meter. But that's not the case with you, is it? Just point me to technical differences between the meter I bought, and meter you are selling now.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ebclr on October 21, 2019, 11:04:24 am
If you want to give what they deserve just open a dispute, That's is a unique way that they will get what they deserve. They will try everything to void this, Like  asking you to accept others goods, refund by PayPal ( they will cancel latter), The unique secure way is to open a dispute and have a refund by alliexpress, and also help the seller gets what he deserve

You need to open the dispute  before the time ends, otherwise, you can't
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: SantaClaw on October 21, 2019, 11:35:51 am
Right, I see the order has been updated for my 40$ one, it's now marked as "awaiting delivery" on AliExpress
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ebclr on October 21, 2019, 12:13:48 pm
" I am wondering what would be the way to allow me to give a negative feedback at Ali? My meter was marked as shipped, 'waiting for pickup' then for 2 weeks and then the shipment was cancelled by the seller. So what would be the best way to allow me to give a negative feedback?
Of course I may open a dispute now and surely will get my money back, but then no negative feedback will be possible.
Any idea?"

Yes after the dispute is settled, you can do the feedback as usual
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ArthurDent on October 21, 2019, 06:14:52 pm
Another update after post #408. My items are apparently moving again and they are marked as in transit after being under constraint. Maybe at the airport now but not necessarily on the plane yet, but on paper at least, closer to leaving China. At this point, what could possibly go wrong!  ???
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thm_w on October 21, 2019, 09:02:10 pm
My Amazon meter is apparently moving via China post, hard to believe though.  :popcorn:

Aliexpress has closed the dispute and refunded me.
However the $ has decreased vs the euro so i got €0,57 less back  >:(
So they earned on this farce and I still can not give a bad feedback score to these fake sellers.
This really s*cks, I am going skip using aliexpress.

Did you pay in EUR or USD? They give you the choice, so if you paid in EUR and got less EUR back thats not cool, I would contact customer service.
If you paid in USD then that falls on you, and is inherent in currency conversion.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Brumby on October 21, 2019, 11:40:20 pm
My question:
If I order again in the future, will the price be the same?
... still has not had a response.

Anyone want to take a guess if I will get one ... and what they may say?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Psi on October 22, 2019, 12:41:52 am

Aliexpress has closed the dispute and refunded me.
However the $ has decreased vs the euro so i got €0,57 less back  >:(
So they earned on this farce and I still can not give a bad feedback score to these fake sellers.
This really s*cks, I am going skip using aliexpress.

That's pretty typical, refunds not including the transaction fee.
Paypal do that too. 
Still wrong, but expected.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thm_w on October 22, 2019, 12:47:09 am
That's pretty typical, refunds not including the transaction fee.
Paypal do that too. 
Still wrong, but expected.

There is no transaction fee here. Even with paypal the buyer does not pay a fee upon refund (recently the seller has started to pay this).
As stated, its going to have some relation to currency conversions.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ludzinc on October 22, 2019, 01:30:33 am
[attachimg=1]
Mine is showing as inbound, tracking even works with Australia post!

And it's delivered.  To Katherine.  In the Northern Territory.  While I live in Adelaide, South Australia...

Rang Aussie post, they believe it's a fake tracking number and I should ask for a refund....
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: IanB on October 22, 2019, 02:05:57 am
Another update after post #408. My items are apparently moving again and they are marked as in transit after being under constraint. Maybe at the airport now but not necessarily on the plane yet, but on paper at least, closer to leaving China. At this point, what could possibly go wrong!  ???

I got the same status. The headline still says "Shipment ready for dispatch" while detailed tracking info says the package was delivered (not to me though).

I think the headline is correct and the tracking number is fake.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: kwass on October 22, 2019, 04:43:34 am
Here's another lie from My Cozy Life:

Quote
Dear buyer,
we are so sorry to tell you that we just got the information from the shipping company that your parcel was lost on the way .
we want to resend it for you ,but been told by warehouse the item just sold out .
In order to protect your right ,how about we refund to your paypal ?or would you like to choose other item you like in our store?
sorry for the trouble and waiting for your quickly reply,
nice day .
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thinkfat on October 22, 2019, 06:28:24 am
Here's another lie from My Cozy Life:

Quote
Dear buyer,
we are so sorry to tell you that we just got the information from the shipping company that your parcel was lost on the way .
we want to resend it for you ,but been told by warehouse the item just sold out .
In order to protect your right ,how about we refund to your paypal ?or would you like to choose other item you like in our store?
sorry for the trouble and waiting for your quickly reply,
nice day .

This is exactly what I expect to receive soon ;)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: TurboTom on October 22, 2019, 12:50:47 pm
Here's another lie from My Cozy Life:

Quote
Dear buyer,
we are so sorry to tell you that we just got the information from the shipping company that your parcel was lost on the way .
we want to resend it for you ,but been told by warehouse the item just sold out .
In order to protect your right ,how about we refund to your paypal ?or would you like to choose other item you like in our store?
sorry for the trouble and waiting for your quickly reply,
nice day .

...sounds very familiar to me... welcome to the club  ;)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ludzinc on October 22, 2019, 12:51:58 pm
The version I got:

Dear buyer,
sorry .we just got the information the parcel will been returned to us due to Crucial Defectives of the elements and function .
we need to return all of these items back to theirs factory for a Security Inspection until the issue solved.
in order to protect your right ,could you please tell us your paypal to get the refund back
or would you like to choose other item as replace in our store ?
sorry for the trouble again and waiting for quickly reply ,
nice day
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thinkfat on October 22, 2019, 12:58:06 pm
The version I got:

Dear buyer,
sorry .we just got the information the parcel will been returned to us due to Crucial Defectives of the elements and function .
we need to return all of these items back to theirs factory for a Security Inspection until the issue solved.
in order to protect your right ,could you please tell us your paypal to get the refund back
or would you like to choose other item as replace in our store ?
sorry for the trouble again and waiting for quickly reply ,
nice day

Yup, got the same answer today, after I asked whether they had really shipped my order.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Brumby on October 22, 2019, 01:12:36 pm
My question:
If I order again in the future, will the price be the same?

Has been answered:
Dear customer
if we sell the item,the price will be same
please give your paypal account,we will arrange refund soon
best regard

"if we sell the item" ... There's their "out".

Part of me wants to press on - but I'm getting tired of the games and we all know that whatever story line I'm given, the result will be pretty much the same.

Will sleep on it.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kjelt on October 22, 2019, 02:00:26 pm
If these stores sell something for $0,50 incl shipping then I am going to buy it wait till it arrives then give negative feedback including the previous order.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: all_repair on October 22, 2019, 02:28:25 pm
Mine is still stuck in transit.  I don't think it is real.  I have just filed a complain to aliexpress online chat service.  They asked me to wait for a few days to file dispute, and actions shall be taken on them if proven true.  Enough voices from others shall help also.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kean on October 22, 2019, 04:27:12 pm
And it's delivered.  To Katherine.  In the Northern Territory.  While I live in Adelaide, South Australia...

Rang Aussie post, they believe it's a fake tracking number and I should ask for a refund....

I had a similar issue with an AliExpress delivery (not this meter) where the package tracking showed it delivered, but to a post office 80km away from me.  I disputed it listing the tracking info, but the seller kept insisting it was delivered.  They then posted a photo of the shipping label as proof.  That actually gave me extra evidence, as the shipping address was incomplete and didn't have my full address or postcode.  There was also a large 4 digit number on the label (an order reference I think) which matched the post code it arrived at by mistake (best effort by Australia Post seeing as the address was otherwise incomplete).  I wasn't able to retrieve the package, so who know where it ended up.

AliExpress sided with me and did a complete refund.  I think if you show the tracking shows a similar wrong delivery you should get the same result.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Macbeth on October 22, 2019, 05:36:58 pm
It seems my Cozy Life was out for local delivery on 20/10. Which is a Sunday. The Royal Mail or Parcelforce who EMS parcels get handed over to do not deliver on Sundays.
The Parcelforce website tells me its a valid tracking number format for Royal Mail and to go there. The tracking number doesn't exist on the Royal Mail website.
Also it hasn't left China according to the AliExpress tracking status  :palm:
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Macbeth on October 22, 2019, 05:49:11 pm
Needless to say I still don't have the Cozy Life. As for my other seller, Shenzhen Superdeal, he's getting desperate since I opened a dispute...

"Dear buyer,
sorry for the trouble.

If you do have no paypal, and don't want to choose other item in our store ,
how about we refund you by aliexpress.
In this case, you can cancel the dispute first and reopen a dispute, it would be highly appreciated if you can choose the reason "personal reason" and then inform us?
Please follow below steps:
1-the first section please select return and refund.
2-after that please choose personal reason.
3-then please choose I ordered by mistake or I no longer need the product.
4- then put the amount that should be refunded.
5-then in the last section it ask to specify why I am requesting a refund. you can write that I ordered by mistake.
are these steps okay with you ?

Please advice,then we could refund for you as the platform rule .
thanks for your cooperation.
Nice day"
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: luma on October 22, 2019, 08:46:01 pm
Under no situation should you cancel a dispute with Ali as in most cases you only are allowed to file a single dispute.

Your experiences here are typical - vendors will cajole and beg you not to report their shady actions to Ali.  They'll ask to PayPal you, they'll file fake tracking numbers w/ Ali to make it look like they've shipped things, and will drag on the dispute process as long as possible, all while attempting to convince you to drop the dispute.

Don't fall for it.  The dispute process can take weeks, but I've never had Ali fail to take my side so long as I stick to the process.  Ignore everything the vendor says as they are in damage control mode and will not deal honestly with you.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Macbeth on October 22, 2019, 10:10:26 pm
I've had Ali go 50/50 on a dispute for a DOA before. I provided photos of shoddy workmanship and that the item clearly wasn't tested before dispatch. I think the fact the seller used AliExpress as the shipper instead of the usual swung it for him.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: 1anX on October 22, 2019, 10:17:05 pm
Here's another lie from My Cozy Life:

Quote
Dear buyer,
we are so sorry to tell you that we just got the information from the shipping company that your parcel was lost on the way .
we want to resend it for you ,but been told by warehouse the item just sold out .
In order to protect your right ,how about we refund to your paypal ?or would you like to choose other item you like in our store?
sorry for the trouble and waiting for your quickly reply,
nice day .

Yep I just got the same, (as in identical) reply from My Cosy Life. It was worth a try to buy the meter, but its a refund for me  :--
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ogden on October 22, 2019, 10:27:03 pm
Yep I just got the same, (as in identical) reply from My Cosy Life. It was worth a try to buy the meter, but its a refund for me  :--

Did you actually get money? In my case when noticed that I want this nonsense to end now with refund, "Cozy" started stalling. They say that servers are under maintenance and they can process my refund only in two weeks or so  :bullshit:
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Electro Detective on October 22, 2019, 10:59:42 pm

Another update after post #408.
My items are apparently moving again and they are marked as in transit after being under constraint.

Maybe at the airport now but not necessarily on the plane yet, but on paper at least, closer to leaving China.

At this point, what could possibly go wrong!?  ???




If it's a Brightest Star Electronic sourced shipment,

and the water pirates lost all their boats in that mayhem a few days ago,

they may resort to plane jacking..  >:D


just sayin  ;D


 
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wilfred on October 22, 2019, 11:05:10 pm
Under no situation should you cancel a dispute with Ali as in most cases you only are allowed to file a single dispute.

Your experiences here are typical - vendors will cajole and beg you not to report their shady actions to Ali.  They'll ask to PayPal you, they'll file fake tracking numbers w/ Ali to make it look like they've shipped things, and will drag on the dispute process as long as possible, all while attempting to convince you to drop the dispute.

Don't fall for it.  The dispute process can take weeks, but I've never had Ali fail to take my side so long as I stick to the process.  Ignore everything the vendor says as they are in damage control mode and will not deal honestly with you.

I'm no expert with Ali refunds but this makes sense to me. Ali are the only ones with any real power over these sellers. That seems clear from their attempts to avoid refunds done via Ali.

I've put an alert in my calendar to remind me near the end of the expected delivery time and I will be filing for a refund if necessary via Aliexpress.

Sellers that make buyers reluctant to use Aliexpress will not be tolerated for long. Most don't make a distinction between the seller and the platform.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Macbeth on October 22, 2019, 11:14:59 pm
Those who got the fob off messages from My Cozy Life can count yourselves lucky. They have clearly ripped me off, and I'm not sure how they wangled it. Apparently they have proof of delivery, despite the parcel being out for delivery on Sunday when the posties don't work, and then today they have proof of delivery (or "It's already cast") despite me being in all day today. The Royal Mail have no evidence of this parcel either.

17track.net
[attach=1]

ems.com.cn
[attach=2]

The POD time and date is 23/10 at 02:20 - Shenzhen is 7 hours ahead of the UK, so that's 22/10 19:20 local time. It was pitch black out. Guess what? the posties don't work late in the evening either.

AliExpress tracking hasn't been updated with this proof of delivery yet, so its status is still that its in China despite the so called tracking showing it out for delivery on Sunday.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thm_w on October 23, 2019, 12:21:47 am
Those who got the fob off messages from My Cozy Life can count yourselves lucky. They have clearly ripped me off, and I'm not sure how they wangled it. Apparently they have proof of delivery, despite the parcel being out for delivery on Sunday when the posties don't work, and then today they have proof of delivery (or "It's already cast") despite me being in all day today. The Royal Mail have no evidence of this parcel either.

The POD time and date is 23/10 at 02:20 - Shenzhen is 7 hours ahead of the UK, so that's 22/10 19:20 local time. It was pitch black out. Guess what? the posties don't work late in the evening either.

AliExpress tracking hasn't been updated with this proof of delivery yet, so its status is still that its in China despite the so called tracking showing it out for delivery on Sunday.

A few things are confusing here.. the time shown on Track17 should be local time, but then out for delivery at 7pm does not make sense either. Actual delivery time can sometimes be delayed, thats not unusual here.
Also, why does it lose location information after leaving HK. It should say what country/city its in after that point, at least it does for canada.

I've changed my opinion if they are actually claiming things have been delivered  :palm:
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: RobertPS on October 23, 2019, 01:14:58 am
Those who got the fob off messages from My Cozy Life can count yourselves lucky.

Same MO here from the ' Hey, Living store' (EMS). Out for delivery this Sunday and just now shows as delivered ("It's already cast") on the same site as yours. Needless to say nothing has been delivered and the tracking number doesn't track with the local PostNL.

My other order from "My Cozy Life" (TNT) is, if you believe it, still in limbo at the airport and/or Shenzhen ('security return' followed by 'exported directly sealed').

These shops use the same tricks, so probably the same owner(s)/same shop.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: RobertPS on October 23, 2019, 01:46:52 am

Also, why does it lose location information after leaving HK. It should say what country/city its in after that point, at least it does for canada.

The second column in the EMS website tracking is the country in Chinese. In my case this does translate to The Netherlands.
I wonder how this fake tracking resulting in a 'Proof Of Delivery' works. Looks like some hack job, or this is not the official EMS website.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: 1anX on October 23, 2019, 02:27:28 am
Yep I just got the same, (as in identical) reply from My Cosy Life. It was worth a try to buy the meter, but its a refund for me  :--

Did you actually get money? In my case when noticed that I want this nonsense to end now with refund, "Cozy" started stalling. They say that servers are under maintenance and they can process my refund only in two weeks or so  :bullshit:

I opened a dispute with AliExpress and have asked the seller for a refund. I did not waste my time with My Cosy Life other than to message them for a refund.
The fake tracking claimed it had been delivered and signed for so I went straight to the dispute option. Their tracking info was pure BS and wont stand up to testing so I hopefully will have it resolved shortly!
I advise anyone else with fake tracking info from My Cosy Life or similar to open a dispute and ask for a refund thru AliExpress!
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: IanB on October 23, 2019, 02:29:33 am
I wonder how this fake tracking resulting in a 'Proof Of Delivery' works. Looks like some hack job, or this is not the official EMS website.

How do you know the tracking number provided is for your package? They can give you any tracking number for any package shipped to any person. There is no way to know which package is being tracked. All you know is that some package is on its way to somewhere.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: innkeeper on October 23, 2019, 02:57:10 am
seems like the scam i was informed of in https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-1248-insane-a-0-02-process-meter-for-$9-wtf/msg2735986/#msg2735986 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-1248-insane-a-0-02-process-meter-for-$9-wtf/msg2735986/#msg2735986) is playing out for many.

I'm gonna let this play out as well just to leave them negative feedback and call them out on the fake tracking number. its not aobut the money, its the principle of it all.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: BradC on October 23, 2019, 02:57:54 am

The POD time and date is 23/10 at 02:20 - Shenzhen is 7 hours ahead of the UK, so that's 22/10 19:20 local time. It was pitch black out. Guess what? the posties don't work late in the evening either.

AliExpress tracking hasn't been updated with this proof of delivery yet, so its status is still that its in China despite the so called tracking showing it out for delivery on Sunday.

Hrm, that looks suspiciously familiar, and while I was composing the message the tracking was updated to delivered. Which of course it hasn't been.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: innkeeper on October 23, 2019, 03:03:48 am

I wonder how this fake tracking resulting in a 'Proof Of Delivery' works.
Typically they use a tracking number for another shipment, or, they might just ship you an empty box or an envelope. anything to get a tracking number and proof of delivery.

This sound like a scam i posted in https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-1248-insane-a-0-02-process-meter-for-$9-wtf/msg2735986/#msg2735986 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-1248-insane-a-0-02-process-meter-for-$9-wtf/msg2735986/#msg2735986)

once they have a tracking number and proof of delivery, then the sites like Ali express and dhgate will not refund, because the item was received.

I wonder though if theres strength in numbers here. guess it will depend on how many get scammed.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maxwell3e10 on October 23, 2019, 03:51:33 am
There have been a few scams like this on E-bay. If the tracking information shows delivery location that is wrong, then at least it can be disputed. A more advanced version of this scam is to send an empty envelope to a nearby address in the same town. But these scams are usually perpetrated by new users who suddenly list a lot of items at too good to be true prices. It maybe the sellers of the meters are getting desperate and trying all possible tricks at once.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ludzinc on October 23, 2019, 03:52:17 am
The version I got:

Dear buyer,
sorry .we just got the information the parcel will been returned to us due to Crucial Defectives of the elements and function .
we need to return all of these items back to theirs factory for a Security Inspection until the issue solved.
in order to protect your right ,could you please tell us your paypal to get the refund back
or would you like to choose other item as replace in our store ?
sorry for the trouble again and waiting for quickly reply ,
nice day

I opened the dispute and got this reply:

[attachimg=1]

No deal.  Escalating!  My Cozy Life Store is going to suffer the consequences.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Electro Detective on October 23, 2019, 08:55:07 am

Dear buyer,
sorry .we just got the information the parcel will been returned to us due to Crucial Defectives of the elements and function 

we need to return all of these items back to theirs factory for a Security Inspection until the issue solved...



I would reply to that email and ask what level of fool from one to ten is expected to believe such lame reasons ?  :palm:


I've changed my previous view on this,
these slimy dirtbags need to be taught a lesson and pony up a working blue process meter ASAP

or EXCELLENT compensation/s

with an email 'velly solly for bad BS, is not heppen agian we making promises for this,
plz not be angrys and posts bad feedbacks '


 :popcorn:
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ogden on October 23, 2019, 09:59:12 am
Seems like I received money in PayPal from them, yet they purposefully or not, miscalculated PayPal commissions. In result I got roughly 98% of my :-DMM back. Those who actually care about loss of few quarters - beware when accepting PayPal refund.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ebclr on October 23, 2019, 11:51:39 am
Attention

Does not accept PayPal refund, Let's Aliexpress do the Job, you will get the full money, and will be allowed to give 0 stars, and tell the truth on the comments. Also, the Paypal refund can be charged back

After you open the dispute, do not reply to any message, just reject the offer they will do on the dispute system, that will be something just to get you out of the dispute system and go to the Paypal way.

Aliespress will evaluate and for sure give you a full refund, and also the right to comment on sellers feedback, Don't be fool
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kjelt on October 23, 2019, 12:03:48 pm
and also the right to comment on sellers feedback.
How ?  :-//
I won the dispute but can not give any feedback.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: alouko on October 23, 2019, 12:20:04 pm
 Magical Tools Store did it for me. Attached a totally unrelated tracking number which went to Turku.  Finnish Post customer service reached the package and it was for a different person.  So I disputed and they tried to get me to withdraw the dispute.  I rejected that, and instead attached an image of the tracking info and my statement:

================
The shipment is in Turku and my address is in Espoo.

I called Finnish Post to find out what is going on.  They told me, and
I have the phone call recorded (in Finnish, sorry), that the shipment
is addressed to a different person and my name is nowhere in the
package.  So it is apparent that the seller has attached in his sale
the tracking code of another shipment.

I want to know the correct tracking number of my shipment and I also
want Aliexpress to investigate possible tracking document forgery
here.

I also find seller's proposal shameful.  The dispute is valid and it
should be investigated and I expect to be refunded unless my shipment
arrives me soon.  I also want to be compensated for my efforts finding
out that the tracking number was indeed invalid.

Best Regards,

   my name
================

Eat That, Magical Tools Store !!!
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Mortymore on October 23, 2019, 01:18:53 pm
Yesterday decided to stop quarrelling with the seller  :horse: and open a dispute, that was attended and now I'm waiting for a refund. Left negative feedback for the seller.  :box:

Curious thing though. When I go to "My Cozy Life Store", the seller in question, and try to check the store feedback, when click over the negative (1-2 stars) amount of votes I should see listed only the feedback with 1 or 2 stars evaluation. But no! I keep seeing only listed the 5star feedback. Tried with Firefox and Chrome, just to check if this wasn't a browser issue. It seems more like an Aliexpress favour to the seller reputation that the user can't check the low feedback reports to the seller. :-//
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: sokoloff on October 23, 2019, 01:59:51 pm
It’s possible that Ali caches the calculation and feedback for some period of time for performance reasons. (I’m guessing Ali’s site is optimized to handle a little more traffic and prioritize that over up to the instant discussion as might be typical for a forum.)
Also possible that there’s a review process for feedback (this is the case at Amazon for sure and I think for google reviews as well).
Give it until end of week before concluding it’s rigged.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: madires on October 23, 2019, 02:41:40 pm
A clash of cultures ;)

Westener about Chinese seller:
- sells product not in stock
- lists tracking ID for other delivery (must be fraud)
- lies about product not being in stock
- offers other product or refund via PayPal preventing negative feedback (yeah, scammer)
- tries to gain a few cents by miscalculating PayPal fees (200% sure he's a dirty little scammer)

Chinese seller:
- can't deliver (warehouse out of stock, maybe warehouse also overstated stock)
- tries to keep customer and market platform happy
- enters tracking ID of another delivery to simulate normal processing (meant for the platform)
- asks customer to choose some other product and also offers refund via PayPal (invisible to platform)
- platform sees standard processing and customer gets refund or other product
- no harm done and not losing face
- no minus points for the social score?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ebclr on October 23, 2019, 02:42:48 pm
Another scammer history

Dear buyer,
Sorry to make you wait so long,
we just got the information from the logistics company
and your parcel was returned to us due to failed security check.
We apologize for that,in this case,here is the solutions for you, please advice.
1)refund: do you have PayPal account to get the money?
2)replace: you choose other goods as the same price we send instead of refund?
3)discount:we can reduce the money as compensation in your next order?                                                                                                                                which is better for you? we hope we can try our best to make you satisfied.
Could you please help to cancel the dispute? :horse:
You know we can solve this for your without dispute
waiting for reply
Have a nice day


Does not matter the history no merci, refund only via dispute, and terrible feedback, This is all the means of feedback, get out scammers, one buyer supporting another, not scammers sellers   :horse:
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Mortymore on October 23, 2019, 02:55:08 pm
It’s possible that Ali caches the calculation and feedback for some period of time for performance reasons. (I’m guessing Ali’s site is optimized to handle a little more traffic and prioritize that over up to the instant discussion as might be typical for a forum.)
Also possible that there’s a review process for feedback (this is the case at Amazon for sure and I think for google reviews as well).
Give it until end of week before concluding it’s rigged.

I'm not talking about not being able to see my feedback report. It has yet to be reviewed.
What I'm saying is that Aliexpress don't show only the feedback you select to be shown when click over the number of votes.

For instance, if you take a look on the image I attached in my previous post, when click over "58", that should list only the Negative (1-2 Stars) votes over the last month. It doesn't.
That's how it works on Amazon, Ebay...

I believe you can try this exercise with any sellers feedback on Aliexpress. That feature isn't working. And so, it's easy that a buyer give up searching for negative feedback only, because it will have to search through the entire feedback list. If this is a non working feature or Aliexpres strategy... I can't tell. But it's odd. 
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kjelt on October 23, 2019, 03:18:14 pm
Chinese seller:
1- can't deliver (warehouse out of stock, maybe warehouse also overstated stock)
2- tries to keep customer and market platform happy
3- enters tracking ID of another delivery to simulate normal processing (meant for the platform)
4- asks customer to choose some other product and also offers refund via PayPal (invisible to platform)
5- platform sees standard processing and customer gets refund or other product
6- no harm done and not losing face
7- no minus points for the social score?

There is no clash here, just a seller who does not know his customer.
At step 0 there is the mistake that he lists items he has no possesion of and can not guarantee that he can get possesion of, so the logistic amount should be extremely conservative, lets say 3 items instead of 50.
Then from step 1 to 2 he makes the huge mistake in that he assumes and "thinks" for the customer.

Then from step 2 to 3 he makes the biggest mistake that already lets the customer loose all trust in him and his enterprise.

At point 4 the customers thinks about a scam since he does not get his original product but some replacement he did not ask for.

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Macbeth on October 23, 2019, 05:00:42 pm
Hrm, that looks suspiciously familiar, and while I was composing the message the tracking was updated to delivered. Which of course it hasn't been.
Does yours track on Australia Posts website? Mine still doesn't show on Royal Mails. Normally international tracked post will track on your postal systems website after it gets into the country. I've never had a problem with this before.

Unfortunately Royal Mails answer is to contact the seller if the tracking number doesn't work!  :palm:

AliExpress tracking has finally updated with the "POD" message, however its status is still In transit at country of origin. Strange.


Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: PA0PBZ on October 23, 2019, 05:18:04 pm
A clash of cultures ;)

Westener about Chinese seller:
- sells product not in stock
- lists tracking ID for other delivery (must be fraud)
- lies about product not being in stock
- offers other product or refund via PayPal preventing negative feedback (yeah, scammer)
- tries to gain a few cents by miscalculating PayPal fees (200% sure he's a dirty little scammer)

Chinese seller:
- can't deliver (warehouse out of stock, maybe warehouse also overstated stock)
- tries to keep customer and market platform happy
- enters tracking ID of another delivery to simulate normal processing (meant for the platform)
- asks customer to choose some other product and also offers refund via PayPal (invisible to platform)
- platform sees standard processing and customer gets refund or other product
- no harm done and not losing face
- no minus points for the social score?

 - Order placed at Manbo store (Sept 28)
 - Seller did not respond to message sent (Oct 08)
 - Seller marked the order as shipped a few hours before the deadline (Oct. 12)
 - tracking ID on 17track shows "2019-09-30 15:30  Shipment information received"
 - Seller reponds to message on October 14 saying that the package was lost (Oct. 14)
 - I asked seller to send the item or to be honest and that I would accept a refund if he did (Oct. 14)
 - Seller responded Item out of stock (Oct. 17)

Conclusion: Maybe Tracking ID was created for the item, maybe it was a recycled ID but nothing was ever sent, see the discrepancy in the dates from AliExpress and 17track.
That is not a clash of cultures, that is fraud.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: darrellg on October 23, 2019, 09:42:23 pm
I got the "failed security check" BS reason the the shipment was cancelled. They had listed AliExpress Standard Shipping, so when I opened a dispute with AliExpress, it was decided in my favor within 5 minutes. I had my refund credited (I paid with PayPal) in less than an hour. I left this review:

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-1248-insane-a-0-02-process-meter-for-$9-wtf/?action=dlattach;attach=860146)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Nusa on October 24, 2019, 12:03:09 am
Proof is easy. Aliexpress can see everything sent through their system if a dispute gives them a reason to do so. They do it every day, so they're way better at detecting bullshit than you are. No translation issues, either, if the original is in Chinese.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: BravoV on October 24, 2019, 02:20:06 am
As norm, the reply ...

Dear friend,
Sorry to make you wait for so long, we are informed by the logistics company that your parcel was returned to us,maybe there is something wrong with your address or other reasons we don't know .
We feel so sorry for the inconvenience.and the solution is as below
(1)refund: we will refund to your PayPal account,plz provide your Paypal account.
(2)discount:we can reduce the money as compensation in your next order?
we will try our best to solve this trouble . waiting for reply nice day


My reply ...

I'm expecting twice the compensation value, take it of leave it.

Don't lie, if you can't afford to refund with twice the number I paid, just send the meter without any excuse, or I will gather ALL BUYERS that are experiencing this similar treatment, to file mass disputes and negative feedbacks against you.


Lets see ... and I have time & patience to play ...
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Smokey on October 24, 2019, 06:46:40 am
Well shit.  Manbo life store:
Quote
Dear friend,
sorry to make you wait so long, we just got the information from the logistics company and your parcel was lost,maybe there is something wrong with your address or other reason we don't know .Even though,we still apologize for that.we want to resend,but we have no stock now ,how about we refund you ?

refund:do you have PayPal account to get the money?
OR you can choose other items from us ,ok?
if you don't have paypal account,please contact us first.

which is better for you? we hope we can try our best to make you satisfied .
waiting for reply
nice day"

I also kindly reminded them that I am a part of a group who purchased this item and it would be a shame if we all had to open disputes.  As a ps. I asked a question about how many disputes for sending fake shipping numbers and lying about lost packages he thought it would take before aliexpress would ban a store (asking for a friend).
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kjelt on October 24, 2019, 06:53:30 am
My reply ...
I'm expecting twice the compensation value, take it of leave it.

IMO that equals almost blackmail.
Just open the dispute get the refund from Ali and leave bad feedback.

I can confirm that after the dispute is closed you can leave feedback.
I gave 4 stars for the product description with very bad comment I never saw it and it was never shipped but promised with fake shipping nrs,  and 1 star for the other store related scores.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Electro Detective on October 24, 2019, 08:05:47 am
There's no culture clash at work here,

"business is business" and it's a universal trading 'culture' that has no culture boundaries,

it rolls the same in any culture, well up till this fiasco began

These opportunist BS vendors refuse to admit they stuffed up,
and believe saving face is more important that SIMPLY admitting a stuff up
on an unexpected huge demand for a limited stock clearance item

WHATEVER the real reason/s, this could have been resolved, and over before it got anywhere close to where it is now,
with BELIEVABLE reasons, refunds and apologies sent and finito!

Come on, we all know that sometimes bargains can fall through, and there's no point in crucifying the seller,
or nudging on Ebay, Ali and others to punish them. 


But no, a few of these sellers have to be on top..   


i.e. don't feel too sorry for them, it's clear by their attitude they'd stick the boots in twice as hard if they were in the buyers position.

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: jancumps on October 24, 2019, 08:11:47 am
I got the "failed security check" BS reason the the shipment was cancelled. They had listed AliExpress Standard Shipping, so when I opened a dispute with AliExpress, it was decided in my favor within 5 minutes. I had my refund credited (I paid with PayPal) in less than an hour....
For some reason I can’t choose PayPal when purchasing at AliExpress. They give a decent number of options here, but for Belgian customers seem to exclude PP.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: amspire on October 24, 2019, 08:36:14 am
For some reason I can’t choose PayPal when purchasing at AliExpress. They give a decent number of options here, but for Belgian customers seem to exclude PP.
AliExpress used to offer PayPal, but PayPal became an eBay subsidary 2002 to 2014. AliExpress is eBay's biggest competitor, and eBay decided to ban AliExpress from using PayPal.

I do not know if AliExpress could go back to PayPal now if it wanted to, but they had to develop their own alternatives and perhaps they do not want to let PayPal back in. eBay still has a very close contractual relationship to PayPal and that expires in 2020. After this, eBay will still support PayPal, but eBay will cease to give PayPal preference over other credit cards, and PayPal will no longer process credit card purchases for eBay.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thinkfat on October 24, 2019, 08:47:33 am
For some reason I can’t choose PayPal when purchasing at AliExpress. They give a decent number of options here, but for Belgian customers seem to exclude PP.
AliExpress used to offer PayPal, but PayPal became an eBay subsidary 2002 to 2014. AliExpress is eBay's biggest competitor, and eBay decided to ban AliExpress from using PayPal.

I do not know if AliExpress could go back to PayPal now if it wanted to, but they had to develop their own alternatives and perhaps they do not want to let PayPal back in. eBay still has a very close contractual relationship to PayPal and that expires in 2020. After this, eBay will still support PayPal, but eBay will cease to give PayPal preference over other credit cards, and PayPal will no longer process credit card purchases for eBay.

I pay all my purchases on Aliexpress through PayPal.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: amspire on October 24, 2019, 09:08:09 am
For some reason I can’t choose PayPal when purchasing at AliExpress. They give a decent number of options here, but for Belgian customers seem to exclude PP.
AliExpress used to offer PayPal, but PayPal became an eBay subsidary 2002 to 2014. AliExpress is eBay's biggest competitor, and eBay decided to ban AliExpress from using PayPal.

I do not know if AliExpress could go back to PayPal now if it wanted to, but they had to develop their own alternatives and perhaps they do not want to let PayPal back in. eBay still has a very close contractual relationship to PayPal and that expires in 2020. After this, eBay will still support PayPal, but eBay will cease to give PayPal preference over other credit cards, and PayPal will no longer process credit card purchases for eBay.

I pay all my purchases on Aliexpress through PayPal.
It does look like there is limited support for PayPal on AliExpress, although I do not see it available in Australia buying from Chinese suppliers.

Apparently in my history above, I wasn't quite accurate. eBay didn't actually ban AliExpress from PayPal - they asked AliAxpress to pay a 7% "processing fee" on PayPal sales which AliExpress declined.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Electro Detective on October 24, 2019, 09:18:04 am
For some reason I can’t choose PayPal when purchasing at AliExpress. They give a decent number of options here, but for Belgian customers seem to exclude PP.
AliExpress used to offer PayPal, but PayPal became an eBay subsidary 2002 to 2014. AliExpress is eBay's biggest competitor, and eBay decided to ban AliExpress from using PayPal.

I do not know if AliExpress could go back to PayPal now if it wanted to, but they had to develop their own alternatives and perhaps they do not want to let PayPal back in.

eBay still has a very close contractual relationship to PayPal and that expires in 2020.
After this, eBay will still support PayPal, but eBay will cease to give PayPal preference over other credit cards, and PayPal will no longer process credit card purchases for eBay.


Good riddance either way, maybe now a lot of arrogant 'solly iss paypal only' sellers will accept credit cards and COD,

assuming the stock is really available, and not jacked by water pirates  :scared: :scared:

or held up indefinitely at a security detention center and hosed down every morning   :popcorn:

 :D

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: mnementh on October 24, 2019, 04:28:00 pm
Woo-Hoo! My tracking has been updated. The items still haven't left China but it appears they are sitting on the dock waiting to be shipped (or grabbed by pirates). Until, and if I get a chance to open the package and actually see the items, I won't believe this is real.

I’ve been a bit busy with “real life” (Doing the whole Natl Lampoon’s “Vacation!” thing; traveling across the US with the fam visiting family & friends), so haven’t kept up with developments here and couldn’t be arsed to pester the fuck out of the seller for the last few weeks. My AliEx dashboard still shows more than 3 weeks to file a dispute, so not too anxious. Yet.

Your timeline is pretty similar to my experience so far with House of Happiness, only they show my order shipped 2 days ago, so still “In Transit, Country of Origin”.

A quick reality check with 17-Track shows something was actually shipped from Guangzhou to Canada on that date with that tracking, and that tracking does have the correct prefix/suffix for current ePacket (which I did pay for) shipments.

China EMS also agrees it is valid ePacket tracking... though not sure how that works to Canada, as my understanding is that ePacket is a service created and provided by the USPS for US labs & startups to be able to get samples/small quantities quickly & cheaply enough to be relevant for dev work.  :o

I love the strange notes you get to see when you click translate on 17Track. Some >:D part of me wants to phone Peng Ming and ask him/her/it  :wtf: they did with all our gawddamn meters...  :rant:

Quote from: 17Track
Number: AZ98*******CN
Package status: In transit
Country: China -> Canada
Destination:

Origin:
2019-10-22 01:51, Guangzhou City, leaving the "International Express Plum Garden" And the next stop , "Shenzhen Post Express Limited"
2019-10-22 00:31, Guangzhou City, "International Express Mei Garden Touting Department" has received, agent: Peng Ming, Tel: 13913913900
======================================
Powered by www.17track.net (http://www.17track.net)

mnem
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ArthurDent on October 24, 2019, 04:31:31 pm
Another update on my order after update posts #408 and #418. The "tracking" shows the items are out for delivery but tracking doesn't show the items have even been loaded on a plane or left China yet. Maybe they went by a very fast boat and the rest of delivery (including customs) only took 4 days where it took almost 4 weeks to get to the dock.  :-//

If you're going to fake something, at least make it look reasonable.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: rsjsouza on October 24, 2019, 05:30:48 pm
Mine is the same. However, as others have said, https://www.ems.com.cn (https://www.ems.com.cn) shows the location of the package.

For example, if you see 美国, in the Site column of the EMS tracking, it means United States.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thm_w on October 24, 2019, 09:08:57 pm
If anyone who missed out in Canada is interested, $25 CAD, let me know. Just Canada for now to keep the price low.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Macbeth on October 24, 2019, 10:25:37 pm
Another update on my order after update posts #408 and #418. The "tracking" shows the items are out for delivery but tracking doesn't show the items have even been loaded on a plane or left China yet. Maybe they went by a very fast boat and the rest of delivery (including customs) only took 4 days where it took almost 4 weeks to get to the dock.  :-//

If you're going to fake something, at least make it look reasonable.
This is what's bugging me. I already mentioned that my tracking shows the Royal Mail (equivalent of USPS and China Post) should be tracking the parcel once it is in the destination country. But there is no record of it. Have you checked usps.com with the tracking number? because that would confirm if it's in the USA or not. Though "it" could be something else in the country like a different customers order and going to another state entirely.

I've previously mentioned that the tracking times for "out for local delivery" and "POD" even in China time or UK time are totally outside the days/hours that Royal Mail staff work so are totally bogus.

But these delivery messages are coming from the official ems.com.cn website. I could understand a dodgy 3rd party like Nigerian scammers use, but not state owned China Post / EMS surely?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Smokey on October 24, 2019, 11:53:50 pm
After ever so kindly reminding Manbo Life Store that I was part of the online group of people that all ordered this item, and that I would not accept either "was lost" or "QC fail" excuses, they replied with:

Quote
Dear customer
the item do lost
if the item is on the way to you ,there is no reason for us to cheat you
we want give full refund to you
hope you can understand.

I think I am starting to see their point here.  I was saying that I was not going accept "item was lost" or "item is lost".  I didn't say anything about "item do lost"! 
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: syau on October 25, 2019, 12:10:33 am
The version I got:

Dear buyer,
sorry .we just got the information the parcel will been returned to us due to Crucial Defectives of the elements and function .
we need to return all of these items back to theirs factory for a Security Inspection until the issue solved.
in order to protect your right ,could you please tell us your paypal to get the refund back
or would you like to choose other item as replace in our store ?
sorry for the trouble again and waiting for quickly reply ,
nice day

I opened the dispute and got this reply:

[attachimg=1]

No deal.  Escalating!  My Cozy Life Store is going to suffer the consequences.

I got the same message when I start the dispute. Package show delivery failed then show delivered at 00:00.

I asked the seller to show me a copy of the shipping label so that I can locate the delivered item  >:D
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: amspire on October 25, 2019, 05:01:56 am
I had ordered 4 meters and received 2. I thought another was just about to arrive from Cozy Life, but it looks like the parcel was just delivered to someone in Sydney - about 170km away from me.

I sent Cozy Life a message and they immediately replied with the "parcel lost" message which does not make sense as the tracking number item was successfully delivered.

At least they have admitted I will not get the meter, which will make a dispute easy to resolve.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: EEVblog on October 25, 2019, 05:11:51 am
I ordered two more from  My Cozy Life Store after the video came out and I just got them  :-+
Haven't tested yet.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: amspire on October 25, 2019, 05:33:33 am
I ordered two more from  My Cozy Life Store after the video came out and I just got them  :-+
Haven't tested yet.
You didn't have a tracking number ending in "3480CN" by any chance? I would love to know who ended up with the package I have been following for weeks.

Definitely went to someone in a Sydney suburb.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Smokey on October 25, 2019, 08:20:01 am
I ordered two more from  My Cozy Life Store after the video came out and I just got them  :-+
Haven't tested yet.

Before it came out to backers or public youtube? 
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Electro Detective on October 25, 2019, 09:23:31 am
DJ should buy up the lot, flog them here, and end this fiasco  :clap:


Bonus: truth bending sellers will save face  :-[ 
and emails many thanks to the VEEblogs Youtooub astralia mans for the bail out   :phew:

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Brumby on October 25, 2019, 09:59:51 am
DJ should buy up the lot, flog them here, and end this fiasco  :clap:

The Sellers might claim he's already done just that....

I ordered two more from  My Cozy Life Store after the video came out and I just got them  :-+
Haven't tested yet.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: PA0PBZ on October 25, 2019, 01:51:58 pm
Manbo reacted after I filed a dispute:

dear friend ,so sorry for the delaying shipping in order to protect your rights, we can refund to you first
1) please kindly cancel the dispute first and then tell me your PayPal account,
we can return the money to your PayPal account, the dispute hurts us heavily
2) would you please leave a feedback with all 5 stars after you receive the money?
you are my VIP customer,i'm sorry for the troubles and next time we will try our best to make you satisfied


Almost made me cry... almost.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ebclr on October 25, 2019, 06:24:41 pm
Oct. 25 2019   
AliExpress stepped in to help

Aliexpress doing her job, as expected


Oct. 25 2019   
AliExpress Processing the Proposal
Proposal:
Refund US $ 13.92
Oct. 25 2019   
AliExpress' Judgment
Proposal:
Refund US $ 13.92
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: beanflying on October 26, 2019, 09:03:32 am
I am just oh so tempted by this generous offer from DheadGate trusted seller  :palm: 2 days more until I claim on their ass for false shipping.

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kjelt on October 26, 2019, 11:13:57 am
Got another message from the seller now they did a refund I should leave 5 star feedback or no feedback. :palm:
Ofcourse I already gave the the 1* feedback as already stated.
I replied that to them and now they say it does not matter since those negative feedbacks will be rejected due to no shipment has been made.
Nice system thry got  :(
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maginnovision on October 26, 2019, 09:50:32 pm
I ordered two more from  My Cozy Life Store after the video came out and I just got them  :-+
Haven't tested yet.

If you have a chance maybe you could trace the calibrator output back to the source. It should be coming from the MCU but I can't seem to find anything that makes sense on my broken unit.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: slobans on October 26, 2019, 11:48:43 pm
to beanflying,seems like tonethiny has closed his shop,can’t find him anymore
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: beanflying on October 27, 2019, 12:15:10 am
to beanflying,seems like tonethiny has closed his shop,can’t find him anymore

No items for sale at least. Worst case will still be a refund.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thm_w on October 27, 2019, 03:44:43 am
If you have a chance maybe you could trace the calibrator output back to the source. It should be coming from the MCU but I can't seem to find anything that makes sense on my broken unit.

Here you go, circuit shows 10V output state.
Gnd = - source terminal.
mAIN = the output terminal
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: BradC on October 27, 2019, 04:04:01 am
Bugger.

Dear friend sorry that your parcel has been returned to us how about we refund to you by paypal Or you can choose anything another in the same value as replacement Many inconveniences hope you understand If any problems here please kindly let us know Thanks for your support and kind gentleness Have a good day and wish your everything goes on well Best Regards

Oh well, have to raise a dispute.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maginnovision on October 27, 2019, 04:36:42 am
If you have a chance maybe you could trace the calibrator output back to the source. It should be coming from the MCU but I can't seem to find anything that makes sense on my broken unit.

Here you go, circuit shows 10V output state.
Gnd = - source terminal.
mAIN = the output terminal

That's pretty close to what I thought but I must have missed the ltc1446. Thanks.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thm_w on October 27, 2019, 05:11:39 am
OK somehow I didn't immediately notice the two three CAL test points at the top: CAL1, CAL2, and GND.
I've tried shorting one or the other to GND, powering on, and it puts the meter in weird states (eg can get into a state where all segments are on). But various button pushing has yet to achieve anything.

CAL1 = pin 8 = RG4
CAL2 = pin 16 = RF2

Neither of these pins have serial hardware, so while software serial input is possible it seems unlikely. I'm thinking they are looking for specific analog or digital voltage states. Both have 10k pullups to 3.3V.
Perhaps one cal is for output one is for input.

edit:
Managed to screw up the 'V' cal data/input by doing the following, mV is still working:
- Set switch to V/mV
- Short CAL1 to GND
- Power up (all segments on)
- Remove short from CAL1 to GND
- Meter now lets you select an 'input' voltage from 0 to 10V. But unsure what to do at this point. Buttons beep but I don't see how to progress or store the point.

edit2:
- The cal pins only affect the operation of the meter in the white ranges of the meter, not the grey ranges handled by the MM chipset.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ogden on October 27, 2019, 10:21:01 am
Oh well, have to raise a dispute.
Right. Seems like they are getting so many disputes regarding "process meter WTF insanity" that they do not even read your claim carefully, just decide in your favor full refund amount in a snap.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: EEVblog on October 28, 2019, 04:41:58 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnazibcEJCw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnazibcEJCw)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: johnlsenchak on October 28, 2019, 05:22:21 am


In my  humble  opinion,   they are  manufacture   quality control   rejects  sold  on the   salvage  market  When  the  people  in China  realized that they   couldn't  supply  the huge demand , that's when  they did  the bait and  switch or raised  the price  on the meters that   made the grade  when  it came  to  the quality  control   specifications
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maginnovision on October 28, 2019, 06:13:19 am


In my  humble  opinion,   they are  manufacture   quality control   rejects  sold  on the   salvage  market  When  the  people  in China  realized that they   couldn't  supply  the huge demand , that's when  they did  the bait and  switch or raised  the price  on the meters that   made the grade  when  it came  to  the quality  control   specifications

I got 2 and both failed the same way. If they're qa rejects it's still a little curious as they worked out of the box. Only when I tested them, gently, did they fail. I think the DACs failed but I still need to check the DAC spi comms before I'm sure. Even if it is the DACs... They probably aren't worth the $20 a piece to fix.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Spuddevans on October 28, 2019, 09:55:47 am
I too ordered one from MyCozyLife store, got the fake tracking number, did a little too-ing and fro-ing in the "Chat" with them claiming that the shipping company issued a tracking number by mistake, that they didn't have it in stock anymore (despite the original webpage still showing 2 in stock, albeit at the inflated $122 price!!).

I got fed up with the lies and scamming attempts so opened a dispute with screenshots of the chat's where they had admitted not shipping it. Now they want me to close that dispute and open up another dispute but claim that I've changed my mind, that I don't want the item.

Nevertheless, the original dispute is still standing, if they choose to be dishonest and scammy, they are not going to drag me down to their level, I called them out on their tactics, and provided AliExpress with the evidence.

Tim
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Mortymore on October 28, 2019, 10:40:06 am
This one is just to add a print screen that I took in October 15, when "My Cosy Life Store" relisted the meter for $155.03, since I didn't add the image when I posted the information at #1248  (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-1248-insane-a-0-02-process-meter-for-$9-wtf/msg2741808/#msg2741808) of this thread.

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: PA4TIM on October 28, 2019, 11:23:04 am
Why would you want a thing like this. A calibrator in an unknown state of calibration and it is also unknown how it will hold it's "calibration".
Better make one yourself, You also do not know how close the output is but at least you can use good stabler parts.
Or buy a decent multimeter. Even my Fluke 77 would make a better reference because after +25 years it is still spot on.

Calibration is all about things like confidence, building op a history, tractability, and stability over time. And there are things like seebeckl, tempco, rel.humidity etc. This thing has completely nothing to do with anything even related to calibration.

And, NO, it is not a good thing for the money. The usability is as low as the price.  If you check your DMM with it you still do not know if your meter is in spec or that it is the calibrator that has by coincidence the same deviation so it looks like your meter is within specs.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Mortymore on October 28, 2019, 11:46:21 am
Why would you want a thing like this.

Because a set of test leads with alligators and 2 spare fuses for $9 is a good price.  :-DD

A calibrator??? What calibrator?  :-//

Now being serious... I believe that we all know from the start that this meter wasn't reliable. But it was a bargain to tamper with, a toy to play, disassemble, try to repair... well... have some fun.
At least that would be my purpose.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ludzinc on October 28, 2019, 12:51:04 pm
The version I got:

Dear buyer,
sorry .we just got the information the parcel will been returned to us due to Crucial Defectives of the elements and function .
we need to return all of these items back to theirs factory for a Security Inspection until the issue solved.
in order to protect your right ,could you please tell us your paypal to get the refund back
or would you like to choose other item as replace in our store ?
sorry for the trouble again and waiting for quickly reply ,
nice day

I opened the dispute and got this reply:

[attachimg=1]

No deal.  Escalating!  My Cozy Life Store is going to suffer the consequences.

Aliexpress have now reviewed my dispute and make the follow 'recommendation':

[attachimg=1]

My reply:

[attachimg=2]

So, now a 3 day wait, errm, awaits!
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: amspire on October 28, 2019, 01:03:12 pm
I just opened a dispute for Cozy Life for the same reason - wrong tracking number.

I am surprised that AliExpress didn't give you an immediate refund given the package was sent to the wrong address. In my case, it may be more straightforward in that Cozy Life have admitted the item is "lost", even though the tracking number they provided was successfully delivered.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: station240 on October 28, 2019, 01:55:33 pm


In my  humble  opinion,   they are  manufacture   quality control   rejects  sold  on the   salvage  market  When  the  people  in China  realized that they   couldn't  supply  the huge demand , that's when  they did  the bait and  switch or raised  the price  on the meters that   made the grade  when  it came  to  the quality  control   specifications

I got 2 and both failed the same way. If they're qa rejects it's still a little curious as they worked out of the box. Only when I tested them, gently, did they fail. I think the DACs failed but I still need to check the DAC spi comms before I'm sure. Even if it is the DACs... They probably aren't worth the $20 a piece to fix.

Curious, sounds like ESD damage. Someone in the supply chain/factory zapped a few chips and these rejects are the result.
Garbage In, Garbage Out.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Medtech1 on October 28, 2019, 02:53:50 pm
Same situation for me with Cozy Life....   same excuse from them.. same suggestion.. lies... wanting me to close the dispute or they won't refund.   Now, the waiting game for my refund.    I'm done using Aliexpress.... Ebay is so much easier dealing with crooked sellers... and Aliexpress is full of dishonest ones.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thinkfat on October 28, 2019, 03:51:34 pm
Same situation for me with Cozy Life....   same excuse from them.. same suggestion.. lies... wanting me to close the dispute or they won't refund.   Now, the waiting game for my refund.    I'm done using Aliexpress.... Ebay is so much easier dealing with crooked sellers... and Aliexpress is full of dishonest ones.

Nah, don't generalize like that. There's weird people on Ebay, too. I'm currently waiting for a couple of BNC-MCX pigtails, for a week or so already, while the seller claimed to have stock in-country. Actually, their warehouse in somewhere in China and while they provide you with a DHL shipping number immediately, the package will not show up in DHL's system until the container from Shenzen arrives.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Medtech1 on October 28, 2019, 05:08:39 pm

Nah, don't generalize like that. There's weird people on Ebay, too.

This meter purchase was just something that pushed me over the edge... (after dealing with a few other dishonest sellers in the last short time). It comes down to the amount of time I have to spend with dishonest sellers... I've been on Ebay for 20 years.. have 1000 feedbacks, it was rare to have to do a negative feedback. 

Aliexpress feedback system favours the sellers over the buyers... in the case of the seller not shipping the item, you cannot even select that as the reason for asking for a refund, which is ridiculous.  They don't even let you give feedback for when a seller neglects to ship you an item, unless you lie and say you received it... (a total oxymoron).
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Bud on October 28, 2019, 05:39:39 pm
What a drama.... I hope the thrill of buying was worth the trouble.  :popcorn:
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Per Hansson on October 28, 2019, 06:10:54 pm
I ordered from "KingPet Market Store" just an hour or two after Dave released the video to Patreons.
Mine now shows up as shipped with a working tracking number.
I did pay an extra $9 for express shipping via "Fedex IP" but according to Aliexpress the seller used TNT.
In any case so far it looks alright.
It does look like the tracking number is a regular China Post one though.
I guess that is one way to recoup a bit of cost, in any case I'm fine as long as I get my two meters :)
Well it was all a lie, the seller provided that tracking number that shows the item going to Sweden.
It has been "delivered to air transport in Shenzhen" since the 28:th of September, I think the plane is running low on fuel if they have not landed yet!
What pisses me off is that the seller had written me a message, but I did not see that message when I logged in to AliExpress.
And neither did I got any notification of such via e-mail, it was the same message about "quality problems" and that they cannot ship.
Well, it's called mail fraud to then enter a tracking number into the system that is completely faked!
AliExpress sided with me and have given a full refund, the seller of course wanted to settle outside of AlieExpress...
Here is my 1-star feedback:
Quote
Seller actually never shipped the item but provided a fake tracking number so it looked like it was shipped to AliExpress. He then wanted to refund directly via Paypal so that AliExpress would never see that he did not ship the item.
Also low rating for product description because the LCD display is photoshopped where it shows a reading.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: SantaClaw on October 28, 2019, 07:35:47 pm
Well... Looks like my meter ain't coming either...

(https://i.gyazo.com/37990e1d6a20d5183117e6cfaedd701e.png)

It was ordered on the 28'th of september 2019
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thm_w on October 28, 2019, 09:16:24 pm
Aliexpress feedback system favours the sellers over the buyers... in the case of the seller not shipping the item, you cannot even select that as the reason for asking for a refund, which is ridiculous.  They don't even let you give feedback for when a seller neglects to ship you an item, unless you lie and say you received it... (a total oxymoron).

If they don't ship the item, the sale times out and it auto-refunds. If they provide a fake tracking number, then you use that as the reason for return.
There is no reason to have a "never shipped" option...

I got 2 and both failed the same way. If they're qa rejects it's still a little curious as they worked out of the box. Only when I tested them, gently, did they fail. I think the DACs failed but I still need to check the DAC spi comms before I'm sure. Even if it is the DACs... They probably aren't worth the $20 a piece to fix.

How specifically were you testing them, when they failed?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maginnovision on October 28, 2019, 10:54:55 pm
Low level signals being applied and sourced to/from source/sim "ports". I did 4-20 mA, 150mV, 1.5V and 10V while on input mode. Shortly after while comparing its output to a stable dc calibrator output using a null meter the outputs started doing the stair stepping.

EDIT: Attached a picture of the output I had posted this before in the TE thread. They both do this now.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: edmundopt on October 28, 2019, 10:55:22 pm
so... what am I supposed to do with this process meter ? what is it used for ?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: IanB on October 29, 2019, 12:53:31 am
so... what am I supposed to do with this process meter ? what is it used for ?

Industrial automation systems use standard signal levels like 1 to 5 V or 4 to 20 mA. Instrument technicians may need an accurate source of such signals to calibrate process instruments and control systems.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maxwell3e10 on October 29, 2019, 01:08:07 am
Well, practically it can be used as a handy DC source. For example, can map I-V curve of a diode (using another meter to measure voltage) or simulate DC voltage input to some circuit. Given the poor reliability, it can't really be used to calibrate anything, but if you have another meter on hand to check it, there is still some positive utility.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ritaismyconscience on October 29, 2019, 01:18:23 am
I bought on DHGate. Apparently you can ask for a refund if you didn't get it by a certain date.
This is from their website:
(http://image.dhgate.com/csmg_2206132270_00.jpg)

I filed a dispute. Hope this goes well and I get my twenty dollars back.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thm_w on October 29, 2019, 06:24:32 am
Low level signals being applied and sourced to/from source/sim "ports". I did 4-20 mA, 150mV, 1.5V and 10V while on input mode. Shortly after while comparing its output to a stable dc calibrator output using a null meter the outputs started doing the stair stepping.

EDIT: Attached a picture of the output I had posted this before in the TE thread. They both do this now.

I am seeing the same thing now as well. If you have a working meter, and set the output you will get overshoot/undershoot whenever the value is changed. This is telling me there is feedback control of the output by the PIC. The stairstep height can be the maximum change in the feedback function, width being how often the function is called.

If you set the value to 5V say then hold down the "up" arrow, the voltage will now be stable, because the PIC is stuck in the button interrupt/routine, and can't send new data to the DAC.

So, this does indicate damage as you say. I'm thinking CAL data and firmware are OK (since you didn't touch the CAL pins).
What we need to do next is trace the 10V input (mine always reads as 0.013V now, I suspect yours is similar), and look for any damaged components (short to gnd?). Hopefully its something before the ADC (ADS1232 (http://www.ti.com/product/ADS1232)). mV is still working, so that should be a different path, and tells us at least the ADC is functional on that specific input (it has two, one for mV one for V maybe).

I did input 12V at one point into the 10V input (current limited), it could be that that damaged it, or perhaps switching from one range to another (24V to 10V) too quickly with output enabled, etc. that caused some residual voltage. Either way, the circuit can obviously be improved.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: all_repair on October 29, 2019, 06:45:39 am

 I've been on Ebay for 20 years.. have 1000 feedbacks, it was rare to have to do a negative feedback. 

Aliexpress feedback system favours the sellers over the buyers... in the case of the seller not shipping the item, you cannot even select that as the reason for asking for a refund, which is ridiculous.  They don't even let you give feedback for when a seller neglects to ship you an item, unless you lie and say you received it... (a total oxymoron).

It depend on your luck.  Trust me, the seasoned seller can game the ebay system very well too.  I got hit, and at the end not able to get refund of USD150 and also not able to leave negative feedback as the feedback window was overed.  Ebay basically rule in the seller's favour, and did not bother to go through the messages that the seller was misleading me every steps along the way to go against ebay rules on the retun procedure.  Ebay has since changed some of the rules I heard but has lost me forever .  Likewise these sellers know the aliexpress system much better than aliexpress, and is able to game their system by generating fake shipping information.  But in aliexpress, the money does not go to the seller until you accept the deal.  The money is with aliexpress, once you ack receipt OK, the deal is considered done well and considered close and seller shall not be bothered with you anymore after your feedback. 

For this case, seller use fake shipping and make delivery date very late (2 month) for my order.  After 10 days, I asked aliexpress through the chat to override their long window and let let me raise a dispute.  I would actually let the seller off for this case if they do not fake delivery and just ACK that they do not have stock.  But apparently listing and selling when they do not stock is a big NO NO in aliexpress rule.
 
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thm_w on October 29, 2019, 07:36:24 am
Updated readings:
- pin 14 on the ADS1232 is the input for the V and mV ranges. It is protected with 100R, a big cap, and some kind of zener or schottky diode.
- On both the working and non-working meter, *the same* voltages reach pin 14:
- 0.495V with 5V input (V)
- 0.555V with 50mV input (mV)

The mV range does work on both meters, which is confusing because that means the ADC and front end is working fine. Unless the reference is being screwed with when we range switch (should be the 2.5V diode below the chip), I can't see how this is not firmware or CAL related.

I'll add the ADC to my schematic tomorrow, and maybe get some idea of how the reference zener is being controlled.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kjelt on October 29, 2019, 08:19:48 am
so... what am I supposed to do with this process meter ?
You actually got one or is this a hypothetical question  :-DD
The reason everyone ordered this meter was to curse and insult the chinese sellers, that part succeeded. :-DD
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: DenCraw on October 29, 2019, 08:36:18 am
Hi.
Happened to me the same.
I want to thank for all the comments and tell you that i have learned the lesson. |O

this was the conversation. (Grammar-Alert no English speakers)

......................................

-HAHAHA Lifestyle Store:
Dear friend,
We have been informed by the logistics company that your package has been returned by the shipping company
We are sorry to tell you that our provider informed us
The products are defective in material and function
And we have to return all these items to the factory
or a safety inspection until the problem is resolved
Meanwhile, to protect your right,
What if we fully reimburse PayPal?


-Me:
I have paid with my credit card.



-HAHAHA Lifestyle Store:
Yesterday 06:19
Dear buyer,
Thanks for your reply
To avoid the service charge, how about we reimburse you for aliexpress?
In this case, you can open a dispute, but choose the reason "A. Personal reasons
B. Easy return
C. The shipping method was not as described "and then inform us?

Follow the steps below:
1-the first section, select return and refund.
2-After that, choose a personal reason.
3-Then choose I ordered by mistake or I no longer need the product.
4- Then put the amount to be refunded.
5-then in the last section ask to specify why I request a refund. You can write what I ordered by mistake.
but don't worry, we will accept the dispute to refund you last
Are these steps okay?
Please advise me,
Nice day



-Me:
Dear seller, what guarantees do I have that you will accept the dispute as presented?
(i have opened a dispute telling what really happened)


-HAHAHA Lifestyle Store:
You haven't opened the dispute we asked for, it really hurts a lot now, we can't accept it
really sad that we want to save your money but you hurt us
08:55

-Me:
Look. The world needs changes. You have sold a fake or defective product. who hurts who here?
You must be the first to return the money with honor, acknowledging your mistake.

You have asked me to open a dispute in such a way that, by simply denying the dispute, you will leave me with nothing to defend myself.
The procedure you ask me is dishonest and does not represent the truth of what happened.
The truth is that you has sold a bad product, you withdraws your product from the market and then wants to leave the business unscathed.
Well, it won't be like that. Whether or not you return the money, I always win.
Because I was honest and you were not.
maybe, for you, Honesty, doesn't go along with business, ... for me, it does.
best regards.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maginnovision on October 29, 2019, 09:07:30 am
Updated readings:
- pin 14 on the ADS1232 is the input for the V and mV ranges. It is protected with 100R, a big cap, and some kind of zener or schottky diode.
- On both the working and non-working meter, *the same* voltages reach pin 14:
- 0.495V with 5V input (V)
- 0.555V with 50mV input (mV)

The mV range does work on both meters, which is confusing because that means the ADC and front end is working fine. Unless the reference is being screwed with when we range switch (should be the 2.5V diode below the chip), I can't see how this is not firmware or CAL related.

I'll add the ADC to my schematic tomorrow, and maybe get some idea of how the reference zener is being controlled.

I was busy tonight so didn't get to check anything. I will try and look tomorrow or wednesday though. I thought the readings were ok, just not the outputs, I'll have to check again though since it's been a while. I also want to try holding the button down to see if it stops. On mine as soon as they start to output it's 1V/100ms until 11V and it restarts.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Smokey on October 29, 2019, 10:05:46 am
More Manbo life store bullshit:
Quote
Dear friend,
we want to resend,but we have no stock now
would you mind choose other item with similar price in our store?
or do you have other solution ?
we try our best to solve the problem
best regards

Dispute opened.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Brumby on October 29, 2019, 02:14:10 pm
I have also opened a dispute against Manbo Life Store.

In my "evidence" I included the conversation between them and myself, plus a link to this thread.


Now waiting for the bleating.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: JackJones on October 29, 2019, 02:32:51 pm
I just got my money back from Manbo store. Of course Aliexpress is the one who made that decision, Manbo tried to wriggle out of it until the end.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: amspire on October 29, 2019, 02:43:02 pm
I just got my money back from Manbo store. Of course Aliexpress is the one who made that decision, Manbo tried to wriggle out of it until the end.
Same here. Just gave them a 1 star rating. Now just waiting on my Cozy Life dispute. Cozy just offered to pay me back by PayPal with an amount less then I had paid! That offer worked well.  :-DD
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: mansaxel on October 29, 2019, 02:43:58 pm
My Cozy Life Store has offered me a similar standard text and the pre-selected "no return, no refund" proposal, which I have rejected. No, I will not retract my dispute ;-)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Spuddevans on October 29, 2019, 03:34:55 pm
My Cozy Life Store has offered me a similar standard text and the pre-selected "no return, no refund" proposal, which I have rejected. No, I will not retract my dispute ;-)

I got the same ridiculous offer from them, and they got the same response as you gave.

Tim
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: PA0PBZ on October 29, 2019, 06:22:14 pm
I just got my money back from Manbo store. Of course Aliexpress is the one who made that decision, Manbo tried to wriggle out of it until the end.
Same here. Just gave them a 1 star rating. Now just waiting on my Cozy Life dispute. Cozy just offered to pay me back by PayPal with an amount less then I had paid! That offer worked well.  :-DD

Same here (Manbo store), Aliexpress decided in my favor. Was wondering how they where going to do the refund because I used Ideal (Dutch online payment system) to pay, but the money is already in my Account.  :-+ for Aliexpress,  :-- for Manbo store, left 1 star review.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: mansaxel on October 29, 2019, 08:14:00 pm
Well it was all a lie, the seller provided that tracking number that shows the item going to Sweden.
It has been "delivered to air transport in Shenzhen" since the 28:th of September, I think the plane is running low on fuel if they have not landed yet!
What pisses me off is that the seller had written me a message, but I did not see that message when I logged in to AliExpress.
And neither did I got any notification of such via e-mail, it was the same message about "quality problems" and that they cannot ship.
Well, it's called mail fraud to then enter a tracking number into the system that is completely faked!
AliExpress sided with me and have given a full refund, the seller of course wanted to settle outside of AlieExpress...

Did your tracking number perhaps amount to RV188717082CN?

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Per Hansson on October 29, 2019, 09:16:56 pm
No, that package has been delivered, this is still in transit.
But I doubt it is in transit, probably cancelled somehow...
Would be interesting to know where it is headed though.
Tracking number is: RV179382615CN
According to ems.com.cn it is a letter, not a package so that is telling...
邮件类型
出口国际函件
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Electro Detective on October 29, 2019, 09:58:51 pm

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWoGCdXT07g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWoGCdXT07g)

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Bud on October 29, 2019, 10:31:46 pm
But apparently listing and selling when they do not stock is a big NO NO in aliexpress rule.
My Cozy Life Store, 3893 items across a variety of categories, you think they have all that in stock?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: edy on October 29, 2019, 10:49:23 pm
I suspect that these were meters that failed spec or from a bad batch using dodgy/fake components that didn't meet the original specifications, or some other hardware issue that was more expensive to correct than to recycle. I bet you all of these meters were destined for the dumpster when they got intercepted by some opportunists who figured they could pawn them off... and at $9, even if they are faulty, customers would likely not put up too much of a complaint. Unfortunately they didn't divulge any details in their item description that would hint at trouble.

If Dave had bought one of those more dodgy meters like he showed in the video and got it first, would he have complained to the seller to ask for a refund or given a bad rating if he paid only $9? What if he paid $29? Would he have expected it to work? What about $129? At some point the price is so low that you take a chance, you know it is probably garbage but figure for $9 I won't complain even if it is crap!!!! Although it would have been better if the sellers revealed to us (provided they themselves knew) so customers would be prepared.

It could be that a 3rd party company takes this garbage and can do whatever they want with it, even resell it, provided they don't tarnish the reputation of the original manufacturer. That is why they rubbed off all the brand identification marks. I'm sure there are agreements with some companies and recyclers that forbid reselling in any form.

Or perhaps it was destined for recycling/destruction and it got intercepted by some opportunistic guys (against the will of the original company or recycling company) who opened up a bunch of various accounts through the different online vendor shops/stores and they are the ones selling. Who knows who went dumpster-diving and at what point it was found? Maybe it did fall off the back of a truck... a dumpster truck!

I don't think whoever got this stuff paid for it. I bet you anything it was rubber-stamped as rejects or some production batch gone bad, and the whole thing was easier to destroy and ship off to the shredder and start over than to bother re-using any of the parts. It may have been discovered late in the production or some contamination of their supply chain with dodgy chips that got integrated within their normal functional stuff.

Anyways, this kind of stuff was NEVER supposed to be on the open market, no company wants to back it or take responsibility for it. Imagine you test a circuit and it shows 5V when it is actually 500V. You can't trust this device, period. Interesting story though if anyone can figure out where this came from and how it ended up being sold.

I would contact the company that actually makes the REAL VERSION and see if they have a clue.... I am sure they know EXACTLY what happened, how their dodgy batch was picked up or dumped to recycling and perhaps who grabbed the lot and started to sell it.

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ogden on October 29, 2019, 10:52:25 pm
I would contact the company that actually makes the REAL VERSION and see if they have a clue.... I am sure they know EXACTLY what happened, how their dodgy batch was picked up or dumped to recycling and perhaps who grabbed the lot and started to sell it.
Yes, please contact the company that actually makes the REAL VERSION and tell us what they say.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wraper on October 29, 2019, 10:55:25 pm
Meter ordered from My Cozy Life Store 'arrived' today. But it was delivered to different postcode within the same city and was sent to a man with different name according to Chinese EMS tracking.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wilfred on October 29, 2019, 11:47:34 pm
I've just received a reply from Manbo Life Store saying there is no stock available and I can have a refund via Paypal. I opened a dispute with Aliexpress.

I assume I should not accept a PP refund if I didn't pay with PP. Correct me if I am wrong please. I paid with a VISA card.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: sokoloff on October 29, 2019, 11:52:06 pm
IMO, you 100% want to keep the dispute on the Aliexpress platform.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wraper on October 29, 2019, 11:59:29 pm
If they transfer money to paypal, then they can open dispute and claim it back.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: rsjsouza on October 30, 2019, 12:06:01 am
I found out that the website http://www.ems.com.cn (http://www.ems.com.cn) seems to be a spoof of http://ems.com.cn (http://ems.com.cn)

In the first I can't track my package at all, while on the second it shows up with all details.

Does anybody else see that?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: nctnico on October 30, 2019, 12:08:18 am
I found out that the website http://www.ems.com.cn (http://www.ems.com.cn) seems to be a spoof of http://ems.com.cn (http://ems.com.cn)
You can't spoof a sub-domain unless someone has access to the DNS configuration for the primary domain so it is likely a server configuration or cookie issue.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: all_repair on October 30, 2019, 12:21:40 am
I suspect that these were meters that failed spec or from a bad batch using dodgy/fake components that didn't meet the original specifications, or some other hardware issue that was more expensive to correct than to recycle. I bet you all of these meters were destined for the dumpster when they got intercepted by some opportunists who figured they could pawn them off... and at $9, even if they are faulty, customers would likely not put up too much of a complaint. Unfortunately they didn't divulge any details in their item description that would hint at trouble.

Are you kidding, expecting a $200 to 300 hundred selling at $9 to be not a rejected item.  You need to do some costing and you shall see that China manufacturer works on very very very thin margin.  Any way to recover cost is a way to keep some margin.  These are sold off as "rejects" by manufacturer factory, maybe not OEM.  OEM cannot complain unless they want to pay a higher price to the manufacturer for their goods.  Of course, they don't as they also want to protect their own margin.  So almost everything is open, with everyone knowledge so continuous relationship can be maintained.  With logo removes, these rejects are sold to fleas market, and these rejects have tiers.  Cosmetic problem shall send at higher price, and the lowest tiers are meant for recycler to savage the parts, test them again and sold as used components.  Aliexpress sellers are not overcharging at all but some do not know what customers they are selling to, that is the problem.  The problematic ones are when these rejects are been sold at high price on eBay or banggood by the dropshippers. 
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ogden on October 30, 2019, 12:52:50 am
Are you kidding, expecting a $200 to 300 hundred selling at $9 to be not a rejected item.
Indeed. It shall be expected as e-waste item. I bet it is was.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: rsjsouza on October 30, 2019, 01:36:55 am
I found out that the website http://www.ems.com.cn (http://www.ems.com.cn) seems to be a spoof of http://ems.com.cn (http://ems.com.cn)
You can't spoof a sub-domain unless someone has access to the DNS configuration for the primary domain so it is likely a server configuration or cookie issue.
It could be a misconfiguration, but if someone had access to the server, there is a way to serve a similar page with a slightly different address and redirect data out of it. A few months ago I had a given e-mail/password combination stolen due to the exact same combination of "www/non www".
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wraper on October 30, 2019, 02:21:45 am
I found out that the website http://www.ems.com.cn (http://www.ems.com.cn) seems to be a spoof of http://ems.com.cn (http://ems.com.cn)
You can't spoof a sub-domain unless someone has access to the DNS configuration for the primary domain so it is likely a server configuration or cookie issue.
It could be a misconfiguration, but if someone had access to the server, there is a way to serve a similar page with a slightly different address and redirect data out of it. A few months ago I had a given e-mail/password combination stolen due to the exact same combination of "www/non www".
If someone has access to server, it does not have to do anything with www/ non www. Also I doubt it was stolen there and not somewhere else. It's like almost all of the websites will work with either variant, some redirecting to single version, other just staying as you entered the address.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: IanB on October 30, 2019, 03:34:46 am
I found out that the website http://www.ems.com.cn (http://www.ems.com.cn) seems to be a spoof of http://ems.com.cn (http://ems.com.cn)

In the first I can't track my package at all, while on the second it shows up with all details.

Does anybody else see that?

Does anyone know how to make that ems.com.cn tracking site work? Whenever I try it I get some kind of unsolvable jigsaw puzzle that I can't get past.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: BravoV on October 30, 2019, 03:44:40 am
Does anyone know how to make that ems.com.cn tracking site work? Whenever I try it I get some kind of unsolvable jigsaw puzzle that I can't get past.

To solve the jigsaw puzzle is to move the slider until the piece of jigsaw fits into the picture.

Disable NoScript "temporarily" for the whole site while you doing it, if you have it installed at your browser, as sometimes it breaks the website.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: blargg on October 30, 2019, 04:02:02 am
-HAHAHA Lifestyle Store:
Dear friend,
We have been informed by the logistics company that your package has been returned by the shipping company
We are sorry to tell you that our provider informed us
The products are defective in material and function
And we have to return all these items to the factory
or a safety inspection until the problem is resolved

You know, at this point I don't think I even care about the meter I ordered. Sounds like it's going to have lots of problems. Still going to neg the seller once their time runs out.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wraper on October 30, 2019, 04:38:18 am
I found out that the website http://www.ems.com.cn (http://www.ems.com.cn) seems to be a spoof of http://ems.com.cn (http://ems.com.cn)

In the first I can't track my package at all, while on the second it shows up with all details.

Does anybody else see that?

Does anyone know how to make that ems.com.cn tracking site work? Whenever I try it I get some kind of unsolvable jigsaw puzzle that I can't get past.
Use multiple tracking number search box. It works fine unlike single track number search above it. That's if you repeatedly get another puzzle after solving previous one. As of solving puzzle itself, as said above by BravoV.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wilfred on October 30, 2019, 04:51:20 am

You know, at this point I don't think I even care about the meter I ordered. Sounds like it's going to have lots of problems. Still going to neg the seller once their time runs out.

I opened a dispute today for a refund on Aliexpress after I got a reply saying there was no stock. Just waiting to see what happens now.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maginnovision on October 30, 2019, 05:04:37 am
I still have 1 dispute ongoing, they denied it. Told me to wait 10 days even though I posted SS's of seller conversation saying they won't be shipping. Ali I guess sees no issue with messages saying we won't ship, a tracking number, and a seller dispute reply of cancel dispute and we'll refund you. No big deal, but pretty interesting anyway.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thm_w on October 30, 2019, 05:41:56 am
Looking at the power supply section now:

The bad meter happens to have R8 not populated. I'm guessing R8 is switched to 24V/Vout when you move the dial to the 'V/mV' range to drop the supply output voltage to ~12V.
Since you only need 10V max output/input perhaps this saves power or reduces power dissipation. Something getting 24V when it expected 10V could have caused an issue.

I'll try populating R8 but I'm thinking the damage is already done.

Also note the use of a 25V cap on 24V supply 8).

edit: R8 drops the boost supply output to 10V when it is in DMM mode or the dial is between indents. All process ranges sit at 24V, so those shouldn't be affected.
edit2: U5 is the 2.5V reference, pinout matches LM236 or LM136-2.5, 20ppm. Its marked '10091', so maybe from a custom order?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Electro Detective on October 30, 2019, 08:34:41 am

"Hello again good byer,

Please sirs, why you no except refund, forgets feedback and dipsute and we all go with happy life?

This metre is big mitsake from manurefacturer and pirates grab trucks going to landfill
and sell to us for $4.50 each plus 10% protections for other pirates not to take the metres on way here

We not no this and sell for nine dollar and then the trouble begin as they say ship hits the fan

BS Team at Brightest Star Electonic is tells the truth unilke somes other sellers,
we want keep customers smile, not troubles and bad happy. 

Please consider

Your freind

Pinn Oh Kio"



Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maginnovision on October 30, 2019, 08:43:58 am
Looking at the power supply section now:

The bad meter happens to have R8 not populated. I'm guessing R8 is switched to 24V/Vout when you move the dial to the 'V/mV' range to drop the supply output voltage to ~12V.
Since you only need 10V max output/input perhaps this saves power or reduces power dissipation. Something getting 24V when it expected 10V could have caused an issue.

I'll try populating R8 but I'm thinking the damage is already done.

Also note the use of a 25V cap on 24V supply 8).

edit: R8 drops the boost supply output to 10V when it is in DMM mode or the dial is between indents. All process ranges sit at 24V, so those shouldn't be affected.
edit2: U5 is the 2.5V reference, pinout matches LM236 or LM136-2.5, 20ppm. Its marked '10091', so maybe from a custom order?

I checked mine and R8 is installed in both.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: BradC on October 30, 2019, 08:52:16 am
And so it begins :

Dear friend, Thanks for reaching out to us and sorry for the troubles We can refund FULL for you but could you please cancel the dispute at first and promised never open a dispute again. If you agree plz cancel the dispute then contact us and we can REFUND you asap Hope you understand and thanks in advance Best Regards.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Electro Detective on October 30, 2019, 09:12:32 am
And so it begins :

Dear friend, Thanks for reaching out to us and sorry for the troubles We can refund FULL for you but could you please cancel the dispute at first and promised never open a dispute again.

If you agree plz cancel the dispute then contact us and we can REFUND you asap Hope you understand and thanks in advance Best Regards.



"please cancel the dispute at first and promised never open a dispute again."


Let's all cross fingers that if BradC refuses to comply,
it won't result in global sanctions placed on future online shopping  :scared:

 :palm:

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Brumby on October 30, 2019, 12:22:16 pm
If they transfer money to paypal, then they can open dispute and claim it back.

Exactly.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: sokoloff on October 30, 2019, 12:25:43 pm
When someone has demonstrated a lack of trustworthiness and follow through on their side of a contract in your initial interaction, it’s unwise to expect them to follow through diligently on your second interaction.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thals on October 30, 2019, 02:59:53 pm
If they transfer money to paypal, then they can open dispute and claim it back.

Exactly.

My understanding is that they can only claim it back under PayPal Purchase Protection for Buyers, by claiming that a (fictional) service was never fulfilled. This, however, requires the payment being sent for goods and services - so as long as you get the refund as payment for friends & family, it's all good.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wraper on October 30, 2019, 04:12:24 pm
My understanding is that they can only claim it back under PayPal Purchase Protection for Buyers, by claiming that a (fictional) service was never fulfilled. This, however, requires the payment being sent for goods and services - so as long as you get the refund as payment for friends & family, it's all good.
And how many people do know this? And you need explicitly ask them to do transfer this way.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: SantaClaw on October 30, 2019, 04:46:41 pm
 Shipment cancelled

2019-10-30 09:50:33

Waiting for pick up

2019-10-21 10:10:43 [GMT+8]

So.. yay... Seller cancelled the shipping, but I haven't been told anything by him...
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thals on October 30, 2019, 04:53:47 pm
My understanding is that they can only claim it back under PayPal Purchase Protection for Buyers, by claiming that a (fictional) service was never fulfilled. This, however, requires the payment being sent for goods and services - so as long as you get the refund as payment for friends & family, it's all good.
And how many people do know this? And you need explicitly ask them to do transfer this way.

Now a few more know about this, I hope ;)
In my case (Cozy Life Store) the refund was sent as payment for F&F. so it depends on the seller how it is actually transferred. Better to check with Paypal before closing the AliExpress dispute, I know I did.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: cgroen on October 30, 2019, 05:01:57 pm
This really pisses me off  >:D
"Cancel my dispute" you bet your arse I won't!

WTF did they send me a tracking ID when they did not ship it and tells me that they do not have it in stock  :palm:
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: cgroen on October 30, 2019, 05:05:01 pm
Oh, and this one:

"The dispute hurts us heavily", I sure hope so!
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thm_w on October 30, 2019, 11:42:01 pm
The amazon meter showed up, its a $10 cheapie so not what I ordered, they got the right color though  :-DD
Actually its quite cute and the range switch is solid, comes in all kinds of shades. Too bad NCV mode doesn't work at all though.. shockingly. I'll have to test it for accuracy later, deserves its own thread.

https://www.banggood.com/ANENG-V02B-4000-Counts-Auto-ranging-Digital-True-RMS-Multimeter-With-Temperature-Measure-BacklightFlashlight-p-1474246.html (https://www.banggood.com/ANENG-V02B-4000-Counts-Auto-ranging-Digital-True-RMS-Multimeter-With-Temperature-Measure-BacklightFlashlight-p-1474246.html)

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: TurboTom on October 31, 2019, 01:55:48 am
Aliexpress sorted the dispute with "My Cozy Life Store" for me. No questions asked, they just returned the funds I paid to my credit card. Of course, currency exchange rates aren't compensated but at different times, that could have turned out the other direction, so I don't blame them for that. Anyway, at that price I considered the whole thing a gamble right from the start. I guess I got lucky as the seller cancelled the shipment after I waited several weeks for the parcel to be picked up, so there wasn't any room left for discussions (with AliExpress that is).

At least, the seller has to deal with the dispute consequences (whatever they are...) and I hope they will learn something for the future from that disaster...

I wish the other players of this game at least the same luck for their outcome -- actually considering the reports of those who actually received a meter make me doubt what to prefer -- a clean refund or a dodgy meter that may consume hours of my time...  :-//

Whatsoever, following the whole collective purchase proceedings was priceless!

Cheers,
Thomas
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: BravoV on October 31, 2019, 02:03:10 am
When filing the dispute, make sure you include the screen shot of their message that asking for refund thru paypal, this is not the legit method right ? CMMIW

Hopefully this will give some negative valuation to the shop it self by the Aliexpress system.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: beanflying on October 31, 2019, 04:42:02 am
so... what am I supposed to do with this process meter ?
You actually got one or is this a hypothetical question  :-DD
The reason everyone ordered this meter was to curse and insult the chinese sellers, that part succeeded. :-DD

Use it to tell you when it is time for a Beer  ;)

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Brumby on October 31, 2019, 06:25:30 am
Excellent application of technology.  Not overkill at all!!

 ::)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kjelt on October 31, 2019, 09:04:35 am
Use it to tell you when it is time for a Beer  ;)
I thought it was always time for a Beer ?  :)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: beanflying on October 31, 2019, 09:11:46 am
Use it to tell you when it is time for a Beer  ;)
I thought it was always time for a Beer ?  :)

Correct even a busted dodgy one will give you the accurate reading for Beer O'Clock.  ;)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ciccio on October 31, 2019, 10:30:07 am
I was curious, no need such an instrument, but curiosity won and I ordered one at Aliexpress (vendor: My Cozy Life Store).
I got a tracking number, and the tracking reported the package  leaving China on October, 6th, then arriving in Italy on October 25, passing through different Poste Italiane logistic centers, then delivered on October 30th to someone (I cannot see the name and street address) in another town (about 900 km from me).
I contacted Poste Italiane, but they say that only the sender can get further informations.
Now I've opened a dispute with the seller, and will see what will happen.
I suspect they deliberately sent me a real tracking number but for another customer from Italy, and maybe for another item.
Don't care: I want my money back.
Interesting experience.
If some of the Forum's members lives in Ferrandina (MT) please contact me by private message: the package was delivered there. I would like to know what was inside the box....
Best regards
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: cgroen on October 31, 2019, 10:42:59 am
I was curious, no need such an instrument, but curiosity won and I ordered one at Aliexpress (vendor: My Cozy Life Store).
I got a tracking number, and the tracking reported the package  leaving China on October, 6th, then arriving in Italy on October 25, passing through different Poste Italiane logistic centers, then delivered on October 30th to someone (I cannot see the name and street address) in another town (about 900 km from me).
I contacted Poste Italiane, but they say that only the sender can get further informations.
Now I've opened a dispute with the seller, and will see what will happen.
I suspect they deliberately sent me a real tracking number but for another customer from Italy, and maybe for another item.
Don't care: I want my money back.
Interesting experience.
If some of the Forum's members lives in Ferrandina (MT) please contact me by private message: the package was delivered there. I would like to know what was inside the box....
Best regards


This was exactly what happened to me, only difference is that I bought from "Shenzhen SuperDeal Technology Co., Ltd."
I got a tracking number for someone living 60 km from me (in "Herning"). Details a couple of post above this one
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kjelt on October 31, 2019, 11:03:16 am
That makes the seller extra shady IMO.
Selling nothing and providing a fake tracking number and then cancelling the shipment or lying about it is one thing which already is not done,
but giving the buyer a duplicate tracking number for another customer is fraud in my book.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: cgroen on October 31, 2019, 11:08:25 am
That makes the seller extra shady IMO.
Selling nothing and providing a fake tracking number and then cancelling the shipment or lying about it is one thing which already is not done,
but giving the buyer a duplicate tracking number for another customer is fraud in my book.

Absolutely! I don't care about my $20, but I will do whatever I can to make them think twice about doing this stunt again in the future, and I don't care if opening a dispute "will hurt them heavily", I will follow this all the way with Aliexpress as I hate dishonest companies  :popcorn:
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Brumby on October 31, 2019, 01:40:38 pm
Response to my dispute:

"""friend,so sorry ,we can return the money to your PayPal account ,ok? ,please kindly CANCEL the dispute first ( please DON'T click """"""""agree """""""") please do as the steps in the link: <link provided> as it said ,please choose """"""""cancel """""""" after you do it, please tell us, and we will refund to you! thank you!"""" "

Not going to happen.

For starters, I'm not one to throw away the only (straightforward) leverage I have.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: madires on October 31, 2019, 02:18:35 pm
That makes the seller extra shady IMO.
Selling nothing and providing a fake tracking number and then cancelling the shipment or lying about it is one thing which already is not done,
but giving the buyer a duplicate tracking number for another customer is fraud in my book.

What I'm writing isn't meant to defend those sellers, just to explain what's going on. The whole mess started after Dave's video when many people ordered the process meter while only a low number was in stock actually (some batch of quality control rejects). The online shops overstated the stock since they are buying from the same company/warehouse. If that warehouse has 10 units in stock and ten shops list also 10 units being in stock you end up with 100 units in total. So the meter was oversold. Since AliExpress punishes sellers when not shipping the products sold the shops are trying to work around AliExpress by entering a valid tracking ID from some other sale (possibly from another market platform). Everything looks fine for AliExpress. Then they tell the buyer some excuse for not shipping and offering to send something else or to refund via PayPal. PayPal is outside of AliExpress' view. The buyers are refunded via PayPal, AliExpress sees normal sales and won't punish the shops, no harm done besides disappointed buyers. It isn't an intended fraud, it's the result of working around a system the shops can't change.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kjelt on October 31, 2019, 03:09:49 pm
What I'm writing isn't meant to defend those sellers, just to explain what's going on. The whole mess started after Dave's video when many people ordered the process meter while only a low number was in stock actually (some batch of quality control rejects). The online shops overstated the stock since they are buying from the same company/warehouse. If that warehouse has 10 units in stock and ten shops list also 10 units being in stock you end up with 100 units in total. So the meter was oversold. Since AliExpress punishes sellers when not shipping the products sold the shops are trying to work around AliExpress by entering a valid tracking ID from some other sale (possibly from another market platform). Everything looks fine for AliExpress. Then they tell the buyer some excuse for not shipping and offering to send something else or to refund via PayPal. PayPal is outside of AliExpress' view. The buyers are refunded via PayPal, AliExpress sees normal sales and won't punish the shops, no harm done besides disappointed buyers. It isn't an intended fraud, it's the result of working around a system the shops can't change.
So if you were selling a product lets say your Fluke multimeter on Ebay, would you list it ten times ? Ofcourse not.
So why do they list hundred items in stock while they have 0 in stock ? Only one answer: greed, at the risk of the customer.

The shops should list reasonable stock numbers lets say 10 meters or even 5 meters when they have no stock themselves.
After they ordered the next day and get a confirmation from the warehouse it was honoured, they could again raise the virtual stock level to 10 or 5.

This would insure:
1) That not 100 people or even more can buy this meter from you at the same time as now has happened.
2) You would worse case have to disappoint 5 persons which even with 5 x 1 star ratings should not be a problem
3) Honesty: you could tell the buyers that you were not able to get the requested item and can even give them a little 10% extra refund for their trouble.

But now they have dug a huge pitfall for themselves, not only do they get bad reviews and angry customers complaining to aliexpress, they also have lost one very important and expensive part of any business: goodwill and reputation. I guess they are finding that out now.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: nctnico on October 31, 2019, 03:19:56 pm
The buyers are refunded via PayPal, AliExpress sees normal sales and won't punish the shops, no harm done besides disappointed buyers. It isn't an intended fraud, it's the result of working around a system the shops can't change.
Sorry but in my book selling something you can't deliver is reason for a punishment. Besides that there are many webshops in Europe which do drop-shipping as well. These shops share a single warehouse stock level control where they can reserve goods the minute they are sold. Massive overselling just isn't possible. Maybe 1 or 2 pieces but the chances for that to happen are not high.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: sokoloff on October 31, 2019, 03:27:24 pm
Then they tell the buyer some excuse for not shipping and offering to send something else or to refund via PayPal. PayPal is outside of AliExpress' view. The buyers are refunded via PayPal, AliExpress sees normal sales and won't punish the shops, no harm done besides disappointed buyers. It isn't an intended fraud, it's the result of working around a system the shops can't change.
What part of knowingly and intentionally lying to customers, sending fake tracking information, and subverting established marketplace refund and review processes because they are (correctly and appropriately) disadvantageous to you is not fraud?

I can accept that being caught out of stock unexpectedly is not the result of fraud. It seems like everything after that is fraudulent or, if you want to be significantly charitable, untruthful.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: madires on October 31, 2019, 05:37:01 pm
I fully agree, from a westener's point of view it's fraud. But it isn't intended to scam you out of your money, it's meant to work around the market platform. Anyhow, I was just explaining what's going on.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: nctnico on October 31, 2019, 06:48:31 pm
I fully agree, from a westener's point of view it's fraud. But it isn't intended to scam you out of your money, it's meant to work around the market platform. Anyhow, I was just explaining what's going on.
But still... why send out fake tracking numbers? That is just fraudulent. And working around the market platform is also fraudulent as in not complying with the rules of the market platform. Some Chinese just have a lot to learn when it comes to doing business in a sustainable way and get rid of the hit&run mentality.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: blargg on October 31, 2019, 07:08:09 pm
The online shops overstated the stock since they are buying from the same company/warehouse. If that warehouse has 10 units in stock and ten shops list also 10 units being in stock you end up with 100 units in total. So the meter was oversold.

So basically like fractional reserve banking. /s

The one thing is that they raised the price on the meters even when they knew they couldn't deliver. Sounds like they realized they could make more of a profit (or so they thought).
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: madires on October 31, 2019, 07:59:46 pm
Could be possible, but I think the raised price is for the branded meter (which passed QC), despite the shops still showing images of the unbranded meter (too lazy to update the images or they don't grasp that there are two different types).
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: jazz on October 31, 2019, 09:10:02 pm
I think what madires is trying to point out is that at this point, they're not trying to fraud people for their money. They're trying to "fraud" AliExpress's feedback system, because in the end, their reputation on AliExpress is more important to their business than just what a bunch of people on other continents think of them.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ogden on October 31, 2019, 09:22:42 pm
I think what madires is trying to point out is that at this point, they're not trying to fraud people for their money.
Yes, fraud is financial term but anyway they are asking for positive feedback they did not earn. That is still unfair trade practice.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: nctnico on October 31, 2019, 09:29:02 pm
I think what madires is trying to point out is that at this point, they're not trying to fraud people for their money. They're trying to "fraud" AliExpress's feedback system, because in the end, their reputation on AliExpress is more important to their business than just what a bunch of people on other continents think of them.
But shouldn't the reputation on AliExpress be a reflection on what their customers think of them? What good does a falsely inflated rating do?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: sokoloff on October 31, 2019, 09:35:24 pm
I think what madires is trying to point out is that at this point, they're not trying to fraud people for their money.
Yes, fraud is financial term but anyway they are asking for positive feedback they did not earn. That is still unfair trade practice.
Fraud is not exclusively a financial term. If I get a drivers license with falsified documents, that’s fraud.

Avoiding the reputation / feedback score loss is a fraud with the purpose to secure orders from future prospective customers who see an artificially high rating reflective of a trustworthy store who has a demonstrated track record of delivering the goods that customers order.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: jazz on October 31, 2019, 10:10:32 pm
But shouldn't the reputation on AliExpress be a reflection on what their customers think of them? What good does a falsely inflated rating do?

Yes of course. But apparently AliExpress punishes a honest "sorry, we can't ship because we effed up, here's your refund" straight away harder than the chicken dance we're seeing now, so maybe it's more complicated.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ludzinc on October 31, 2019, 11:26:11 pm
The version I got:

Dear buyer,
sorry .we just got the information the parcel will been returned to us due to Crucial Defectives of the elements and function .
we need to return all of these items back to theirs factory for a Security Inspection until the issue solved.
in order to protect your right ,could you please tell us your paypal to get the refund back
or would you like to choose other item as replace in our store ?
sorry for the trouble again and waiting for quickly reply ,
nice day

I opened the dispute and got this reply:

[attachimg=1]

No deal.  Escalating!  My Cozy Life Store is going to suffer the consequences.

Aliexpress have now reviewed my dispute and make the follow 'recommendation':

[attachimg=1]

My reply:

[attachimg=2]

So, now a 3 day wait, errm, awaits!

Dispute closed.  I got a refund.

[attachimg=1]

It's just annoying that the reason is 'Delivered to Wrong Address'. 

There's the opportunity to leave feedback on the process (please add "Seller is a lying bastard" option) and I can still leave feedback on My Cosy Life store. 

Oh well, at least it was amusing for a while.  But when something looks too good to be true....
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: amspire on November 01, 2019, 01:17:26 am
Ludzinc,

I have a day to go of my dispute before AliExpress takes a look. I had a tracking number that was delivered to another address too, so I added evidence of this happening to others - including your package.

We will see what AliExpress decides - are they all "delivered to the wrong address"?

Cozy Life feedback rating is currently under 93% and that is before all the problems they will have with this meter. They delayed the meter delivery problems by using fake tracking numbers. We will see if AliExpress finally gets sick of it.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: blargg on November 01, 2019, 03:33:08 am
It's just annoying that the reason is 'Delivered to Wrong Address'. 

This is standard practice for eBay sellers: cancel transaction with reason "problem with address" to avoid a ding to seller account.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: member_xyz on November 01, 2019, 06:59:47 am
Yaseri from dhgate said multiple times that he does not have stock and can't ship the meter, yet mid October provided a tracking number that appears to be fake, same as many others. Deadline for delivery expired yesterday, response from Yaseri is that the package is lost, how convenient.  Selection on dhgate to file a dispute is absolutely ridiculous . Under item not received there is an option "Package is still on its way" or "package was intercepted by customs". Invalid tracking number can not be selected as "its still in transit and telling me to be patient". I don't really care about this meter, I jumped on the bandwagon for same reason as many others. But this whole thing highlights how corrupt the buying experience can be through these Chinese channels.

UPDATE

I'm not sure if I missed this information before but

Quote
Pending delivery confirmation Payment will be released to seller on 2020-02-08 08:56:49

Yaseri responded yesterday that whoever shipping agent was advised that "package was lost during shipping".
Does this mean that dhgate will let this scam drag on to Feb 2020?
How convenient for dhgate to hang onto my money.

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: CheckOne Two on November 01, 2019, 09:33:33 am
Yaseri from dhgate said multiple times that he does not have stock and can't ship the meter, yet mid October provided a tracking number that appears to be fake, same as many others. Deadline for delivery expired yesterday, response from Yaseri is that the package is lost, how convenient.  Selection on dhgate to file a dispute is absolutely ridiculous . Under item not received there is an option "Package is still on its way" or "package was intercepted by customs". Invalid tracking number can not be selected as "its still in transit and telling me to be patient". I don't really care about this meter, I jumped on the bandwagon for same reason as many others. But this whole thing highlights how corrupt the buying experience can be through these Chinese channels.

Same here .................. from tonehiny (who is also yaseri) showing as in transit although he has no stock, so dispute is delayed. I've just messaged to ask what has been sent

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: PA0PBZ on November 01, 2019, 11:01:19 am
So it was shipped out a day before it was prepared? Interesting...  :-//
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Xenoamor on November 01, 2019, 12:58:10 pm
Yaseri/tonehiny/bida openly admitted to me that they didn't ship my item despite there being a tracking number. They then later retracted that statement. I have to wait until the 15th unfortunately to dispute it. The full transcript is here for anyone who wants a laugh https://pastebin.com/RMXEP9sh

Waka Waka life Store have sent me the following:
Quote
dear
sorry to make you wait so long, we just got the information from the logistics company and your parcel was lost,maybe there is something wrong with your address or other reason we don't know .Even though,we still apologize for that.we want to resend,but we have no stock now ,how about we refund you ?
refund:do you have PayPal account to get the money?
OR you can choose other items from us ,ok?"
pls close the dispute
have a nice day
Of course I've rejected their "offer" and will be leaving negative feedback
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Nusa on November 02, 2019, 06:50:49 am
Well, I finally got home from my travels to see the meter that I DID receive. I won't have time to properly test it for a while, but what I immediately notice is that the AIMOmeter branding has NOT been scraped or removed in any way like it was in Dave's video. It looks factory fresh.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Brumby on November 02, 2019, 08:42:27 am
Well, I finally got home from my travels to see the meter that I DID receive. I won't have time to properly test it for a while, but what I immediately notice is that the AIMOmeter branding has NOT been scraped or removed in any way like it was in Dave's video. It looks factory fresh.

Drum roll...............
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Nusa on November 02, 2019, 09:31:52 pm
Well, I finally got home from my travels to see the meter that I DID receive. I won't have time to properly test it for a while, but what I immediately notice is that the AIMOmeter branding has NOT been scraped or removed in any way like it was in Dave's video. It looks factory fresh.

Drum roll...............

Among other priority tasks after being away from home for an entire month, I also have to go buy AAA batteries. So no testing. But here's a picture:
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Medtech1 on November 03, 2019, 04:43:54 pm
Cozy Life feedback rating is currently under 93% and that is before all the problems they will have with this meter. They delayed the meter delivery problems by using fake tracking numbers. We will see if AliExpress finally gets sick of it.

I'm curious how many disputes Cozy Life has over this Process Meter.  Mine has been sitting for a few weeks now without aliexpress doing much.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Spuddevans on November 03, 2019, 05:19:20 pm
Cozy Life feedback rating is currently under 93% and that is before all the problems they will have with this meter. They delayed the meter delivery problems by using fake tracking numbers. We will see if AliExpress finally gets sick of it.

I'm curious how many disputes Cozy Life has over this Process Meter.  Mine has been sitting for a few weeks now without aliexpress doing much.

I just had mine settled yesterday after I uploaded a screenshot of MyCozyLife messaging me to ask me to re-file a dispute and claim that I was mistaken in ordering it.

Refund from AliExpress followed an hour later, then I left negative feedback (which apparently takes 30 days to appear on the sellers feedback profile)
Tim
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: BravoV on November 03, 2019, 05:35:28 pm
I just had mine settled yesterday after I uploaded a screenshot of MyCozyLife messaging me to ask me to re-file a dispute and claim that I was mistaken in ordering it.

Refund from AliExpress followed an hour later, then I left negative feedback (which apparently takes 30 days to appear on the sellers feedback profile)
Tim

I'm in the same path, filed dispute, and provided the print screen of the chat with the shop that asking to refund through PayPal, and informed AliExpress that I don't have Paypal and also its not nice to by-pass AliExpress system, as I mentioned its not safe for buyer, especially in dispute with seller.

Currently waiting for the timer due, for AliExpress to chime in into the dispute.

Actually I do have Paypal, but for AliExpress orders, I used a CC that specifically opened for online shopping to minimize risk, as this particular CC issuer bank, diligently beeps me thru SMS at every transaction no matter how small it is, and has a decent currencies exchange rate too.  :P
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: BravoV on November 04, 2019, 04:40:56 am
AliExpress stepped in, and I guess AliExpress Case Management Team are seeing this pattern alot.

Quote
aliexpress@notice.aliexpress.com
   
Dear xxxxx,

The dispute (order id: xxxxx ) has been closed today and we have made a mediation. You can log in to <http:xxxxx> to check the details.

After checking, the tracking information shows "shipment cancelled" or "no records" , which means that seller didn't shipped the goods within required time.

In this case, your payment is expected to return to your credit card, please be patient to your bank statements. If you still want to get the goods, we warmly suggest you can contact seller and get a good solution.

Complaints from buyer - shipping abnormal
Judgement from AE - Valid
Invalid Reason - NA

Package Information
ePacket    LOxxxxx05CN shipping abnormal

Final resolution: full refund <full amount I paid>

Reminder: Normally buyer will receive the refund in 3-20 business days.

Please spare a few minutes to provide feedback on the service I have provided. We strive on improving our performance consistently, and feedback ratings help us evaluate our performance further.

Thank you for your cooperation and support, and hope you have a great experience shopping with AliExpress. Your understanding and cooperation will be appreciated.


Best regards,

AliExpress Case Management Team

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: mansaxel on November 04, 2019, 05:32:41 am
Aliexpress stepped in for me too, and now has proposed full refund, so MyCozyLife is getting one more well deserved pock mark.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Electro Detective on November 04, 2019, 09:13:55 am
Will there be a Patreon relief thing set up for donations
to assist the 'hurt' sellers  :( :'( through these unforeseen tragic events?

If everyone contributes 9 dollar each, that puts lots of maccas, tacos and souvs on the table
to feed these serial BS vending tossers

Yes? No? Maybe..  :-//

or beep the beeping beeps, let them burn in beeping ****  ?  >:D

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Brumby on November 04, 2019, 10:42:40 am
I've also had AliExpress step in and found in my favour.  Now just waiting for the refund.

Interestingly, once I had formally refused the Seller's proposal, there was no further contact.  The timer ran down without a whimper.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: DenCraw on November 04, 2019, 10:46:25 am

<snipped>
.......
-HAHAHA Lifestyle Store:
Dear friend,
We have been informed by the logistics company that your package has been returned by the shipping company
We are sorry to tell you that our provider informed us
The products ....<snipped>
Well, it won't be like that. Whether or not you return the money, I always win.
Because I was honest and you were not.
maybe, for you, Honesty, doesn't go along with business, ... for me, it does.
best regards.

Ali Express jump in and, since the fake EMS tracking number says that the package was delivered,
 they consider my dispute invalid unless I PRESENT A PROOF OF DELIVERY. WHAAAAT?
this is insane. They send a package, and they claim the proof of delivery? Shouldn't be they who must demonstrate the delivery?

EMS has no representation in Spain, no phone, no email to contact them. they only give a P.O Box in Switzerland.
The spanish mail "Correos España" say they don't recognize the tracking number, they have nothing in their database.

I have lost 68€.

If there is some one related to Ali express here,... i think you have to be very ashamed.

this is a big B.S., what can i do now?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ogden on November 04, 2019, 10:56:18 am
EMS has no representation in Spain, no phone, no email to contact them. they only give a P.O Box in Switzerland.
https://www.ems.post/en/global-network/ems-operators/ems-spain (https://www.ems.post/en/global-network/ems-operators/ems-spain)
There's email and phone as well.

Quote
The spanish mail "Correos España" say they don't recognize the tracking number, they have nothing in their database.
Ask them to issue *signed* document (scan .pdf and email you, save local copy) that states exactly that. It is The Proof that you did not receive package.

Quote
I have lost 68€.
If you did pay with credit card, consult your bank/card operator.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Xenoamor on November 04, 2019, 11:02:35 am
Banks can normally claw back debit card payments as well. This is something the bank should cover if Aliexpress won't.

Aliexpress sent me the following as a resolution along with a refund:
Quote
After checking, the tracking information shows "shipment cancelled" or "no records" , which means that seller didn't shipped the goods within required time. In this case, your payment is expected to return to your credit card, please be patient to your bank statements. If you still want to get the goods, we warmly suggest you can contact seller and get a good solution.
Looks like they aren't buying the fake tracking number they issued me

Only 10 days until I can dispute my DHGate order. That one should be more fun due to DHGate's T&Cs implying I'm entitled to $30 for a fake tracking number
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: DenCraw on November 04, 2019, 11:04:55 am
No.
the EMS phone number and email provided by you, (copied from the EMS page) are from CORREOS ESPAÑA, not from EMS.
EMS seems to be a platform only.

I will try that pdf signed by CORREOS ESPAÑA.

Thank you for your support.
Dennis.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ogden on November 04, 2019, 11:16:44 am
No.
the EMS phone number and email provided by you, (copied from the EMS page) are from CORREOS ESPAÑA, not from EMS.
EMS seems to be a platform only.
Yes indeed. EMS is cooperative, not corporation. CORREOS is correct contact. If in doubt, you would want to read following:

https://www.ems.post/en/about-us-contacts/about-us (https://www.ems.post/en/about-us-contacts/about-us)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: DenCraw on November 04, 2019, 11:27:45 am
No way.
CORREOS ESPAÑA told me that the track number provider is only valid for EMS platform.
If they has sent the package the code must be a long number starting with letters "PK"... I have nobody that can give me that number

well this is B.B.S.
Thank you .
to me this topic is closed. let´s move on.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: SantaClaw on November 04, 2019, 11:47:09 am
Well, I was provided a second tracking number today, showing it has indeed been shipped, and it should arrive in a few days.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Smokey on November 05, 2019, 10:21:46 am
Manbo Life Store = 0
Me =1
Dispute in my favor.  Refund processed.  Negative feedback left. 

Well that was fun. 

The question is, will I learn anything and stop jumping on EEVBlog "deals" with everyone else......
Gotta say that was more work than it was worth (or even would have been worth if I had actually got one of these crappy meters) dealing with all this.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: JackJones on November 05, 2019, 11:06:00 am
No way.
CORREOS ESPAÑA told me that the track number provider is only valid for EMS platform.
If they has sent the package the code must be a long number starting with letters "PK"... I have nobody that can give me that number

well this is B.B.S.
Thank you .
to me this topic is closed. let´s move on.

You can challenge the dispute resolution. There should be a link somewhere in the dispute page, worth a shot.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: blargg on November 05, 2019, 11:58:10 am
Refund from AliExpress followed an hour later, then I left negative feedback (which apparently takes 30 days to appear on the sellers feedback profile)

Maybe they have to ship negative feedback on a container ship as well...

for AliExpress orders, I used a CC that specifically opened for online shopping to minimize risk, as this particular CC issuer bank, diligently beeps me thru SMS at every transaction no matter how small it is

I recently tried buying something from AliExpress and my VISA would not take the charge no matter how many times I tried, even after calling and verifying the flagged transaction as not fraud. I guess they know something I don't know (AMEX card took it, though).
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: SantaClaw on November 05, 2019, 12:16:32 pm
Well, I was provided a second tracking number today, showing it has indeed been shipped, and that it should arrive in a few days.
AliExpress Refunded me non the less today, apparently they opened a case without my knowledge after "Tracking Irregularities". They where interested in the stores"offline" refund offer too.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Electro Detective on November 05, 2019, 10:24:58 pm
Refund from AliExpress followed an hour later, then I left negative feedback (which apparently takes 30 days to appear on the sellers feedback profile)

Maybe they have to ship negative feedback on a container ship as well...


 ;D

and chances are good if those pesky water pirates (seller's new son in law) jack that container ship too,
the seller won't get 'hurt' after all this

and move on to flogging 9 dollar pink process meetre,
the new 'Solly No Stock Mk11 Model'  :palm:

Seriously though: 30 days can get in a lot of suss trading before other unaware buyers get to make a choice as to whether that seller is worth a punt  :-//

Not good  :--

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: amspire on November 05, 2019, 11:21:15 pm
Refund from AliExpress followed an hour later, then I left negative feedback (which apparently takes 30 days to appear on the sellers feedback profile)
...

Seriously though: 30 days can get in a lot of suss trading before other unaware buyers get to make a choice as to whether that seller is worth a punt  :-//
I do not know where this 30 days came from. I can see feedback from 2 days ago.

Feedback I left for Manbo is there from 31st October for a faked shipping meter - the only trouble is it shows up as 5 stars. I gave five stars for the item description and one for everything else. Looks like the feedback summary only shows the stars for the item description. So don't give five stars for an item description unless you have received it.

I will be getting a refund from AliExpress soon for my Cozy Life order - they are still asking for me to cancel the dispute saying they are the victim. They have now offered me 3 refunds via PayPal and all of them are less then the amount I paid!
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: CheckOne Two on November 06, 2019, 04:07:02 am
Latest from DHgate tonethiny:

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LOL ... there is no "Package is still on way" option ......................  :horse:
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: BravoV on November 06, 2019, 05:59:37 am
AliExpress stepped in, and I guess AliExpress Case Management Team are seeing this pattern alot.

Quote
aliexpress@notice.aliexpress.com
   
Dear xxxxx,

The dispute (order id: xxxxx ) has been closed today and we have made a mediation. You can log in to <http:xxxxx> to check the details.

After checking, the tracking information shows "shipment cancelled" or "no records" , which means that seller didn't shipped the goods within required time.

In this case, your payment is expected to return to your credit card, please be patient to your bank statements. If you still want to get the goods, we warmly suggest you can contact seller and get a good solution.

Complaints from buyer - shipping abnormal
Judgement from AE - Valid
Invalid Reason - NA

Package Information
ePacket    LOxxxxx05CN shipping abnormal

Final resolution: full refund <full amount I paid>

Reminder: Normally buyer will receive the refund in 3-20 business days.

Please spare a few minutes to provide feedback on the service I have provided. We strive on improving our performance consistently, and feedback ratings help us evaluate our performance further.

Thank you for your cooperation and support, and hope you have a great experience shopping with AliExpress. Your understanding and cooperation will be appreciated.


Best regards,

AliExpress Case Management Team


Just fyi, as above email from AE dated on 4th Nov, just checked my CC, the refund credited into my CC account was happening at the same day, and due to currencies conversion fluctuations, actually I got more than I paid, not biggie though, in cents.   ::)

Regarding feedback, as soon AE closed the transaction dispute by refund decision, instantly I could filed a negative feedback (one star) + description, mentioned they lied on shipment using fake tracking code and also asked the refund thru paypal which is not legit way.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: BravoV on November 06, 2019, 07:14:56 am
for AliExpress orders, I used a CC that specifically opened for online shopping to minimize risk, as this particular CC issuer bank, diligently beeps me thru SMS at every transaction no matter how small it is

I recently tried buying something from AliExpress and my VISA would not take the charge no matter how many times I tried, even after calling and verifying the flagged transaction as not fraud. I guess they know something I don't know (AMEX card took it, though).

My credit card is VISA, so far I've been using it for shopping at AliExpress, eBay etc and for Paypal too, without any problem what so ever.  :-//
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kjelt on November 06, 2019, 08:10:04 am
New !!!! from the Unhappy customer - and the Manbo Jumbo - store:

"The invisible multimeterTM"  8)

This multimeter is unique, it is totally invisible, even better the package we will sent you is also totally invisible*.
Order now, only $9 .



*Due to the fact the package is invisible the tracking nrs might be messed up, don't worry this is completely normal and the package will probably be sent to someone else in your country.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Brumby on November 06, 2019, 10:40:14 am
Refund received.  Feedback left.

Now moving on ...
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: DenCraw on November 06, 2019, 11:01:41 am
I agree with you.

The tragic thing is that I smell organized random crime. With my payment they refund the little payments... since I get the 60€ one.
I think we have to study this behavior.
thank you very much for your words.


....Quod Petis Hic Est: est Ulubris, Animus si te non Deficit Aequus'... jeje,
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: innkeeper on November 06, 2019, 09:45:55 pm
DHGATE

so i opend a dispute, this is how it is going
Code: [Select]
yaseri 2019-11-06 09:43

Dear friends
We did send the parcel to you before.
But the freight forward tells us that your parcel was lost on the way.
We are really sorry
Because our warehouse is now out of stock.
So we have no way to resend your package now.
Can you help us change the dispute?
We can help you with a full refund.
Thank you
[/font]
my reply:

Code: [Select]
ME 2019-11-07 04:57

why has this happened to many people who ordered this same item?

i do not believe this was a real shipment as this happened to others who ordered the same item,  it is near impossible that all the orders were lost.

we can give evidence to dj gate and are prepared to do so.

I wish for dj gate to pay me the 30 usd for false tracking and, for you to have a negative strike against you for this bad practice.
You have caused me to now be unable to obtain this item due to your deceitful activities, and i intend to peruse this fully.

this is just not me but others who have ordered this item. we are in contact with each other on the eevblog forum. you can check this for yourself.

I do not intend to change the dispute.  i want dh gate to be aware of exactly what you did to me and to others.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: beanflying on November 07, 2019, 12:53:50 am
Well that is a WOFTAM and confirms what we already know dheadgate is off my shopping list in future :rant: :horse:

DhGate's system is built for the seller to abuse and hide behind using a valid but none the less FAKE tracking number.

http://help.dhgate.com/help/buyerhelpen.php?catid=3902#help_php-indexleft-20 (http://help.dhgate.com/help/buyerhelpen.php?catid=3902#help_php-indexleft-20)

[attachimg=1]

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Gretchen   2019-11-07 11:01:35
Hi! My name is Gretchen. May I know your name and concern please?
我   2019-11-07 11:01:38
I have a problem with my current order. The seller has provided a fake tracking number and has stopped replying to messages.They have lied from the beginning of the sale process including trying to get additional money from me to supply the item.
我   2019-11-07 11:01:47
Hi too :)
Gretchen   2019-11-07 11:02:06
I understand let me help you with that.
Gretchen   2019-11-07 11:02:17
Can I have the order number please so that I can verify it here?
我   2019-11-07 11:02:36
I3149753300
我   2019-11-07 11:03:45
Your system won't let me lodge a dispute for the false tracking number
我   2019-11-07 11:03:55
Sure I can wait
Gretchen   2019-11-07 11:04:32
Thank you so much.
Gretchen   2019-11-07 11:08:12
Thank you for waiting.
Gretchen   2019-11-07 11:09:27
For this order we suggest please open a dispute on this order for the reason of "item not received" since it's already beyond the guaranteed delivery date.
Gretchen   2019-11-07 11:09:40
Do you want me to send the steps on how to open a dispute?
我   2019-11-07 11:10:25
I am aware of how to open a dispute. I want to open one for the false tracking number and your system won't allow me to do this?
我   2019-11-07 11:10:58
The only reason allowed it the item is still in transit which it is not
Gretchen   2019-11-07 11:11:09
Yes I understand it won't allow you because the tracking number is not invalid it is just still in transit as of now.
我   2019-11-07 11:12:41
It is not in transit at all. The seller has acknowledged this in a private message. The made up a story that the number was incorrectly added to the invoice.
Gretchen   2019-11-07 11:13:01
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Gretchen   2019-11-07 11:14:13
Okay I understand that since you cannot open a diuspute for invalid tracking number we suggest please open a dispute for the reason of "item not recieved" so that you can successfully open the dispute.
我   2019-11-07 11:14:52
Why can I not select the TRUE reason for the dispute?
我   2019-11-07 11:15:27
Clearly this is outside this date?
我   2019-11-07 11:15:30
“Invalid tracking number” can not select as It's in transit and still within the range of the seller's delivery estimate time 2019-10-28,please be patient to wait or contact seller for help.
Gretchen   2019-11-07 11:16:17
Yes I understand that because the system is basing on the tracking information that shows it's still in transit
我   2019-11-07 11:16:56
But it was a fake number as admitted by the seller?
我   2019-11-07 11:17:30
This fake followed the demand for a lot more money to supply the item
我   2019-11-07 11:18:47
So how can you help me resolve this so the seller doesn't do this again to others?
Gretchen   2019-11-07 11:20:17
Okay I understand for now we will report this seller to the related team so that it will not happen again. For the meantime we also suggest please open a dispute for "item not receive" so that the dispute team can help you sort things out.
我   2019-11-07 11:20:53
I am trying to follow this procedure http://help.dhgate.com/help/buyerhelpen.php?catid=2405artid=9ACFF44CC9020EA2E0400A0AD20A71B2 (http://help.dhgate.com/help/buyerhelpen.php?catid=2405artid=9ACFF44CC9020EA2E0400A0AD20A71B2)
我   2019-11-07 11:21:24
It applies a penalty to the seller but your system won't allow me to use it?
Gretchen   2019-11-07 11:23:23
May I know what's this procedure please because I couldn't open the link here.
我   2019-11-07 11:24:14
It is on your site under "Tracking Your Items"
我   2019-11-07 11:24:53
It clearly sets out what to do but your system clearly doesn't allow it?
Gretchen   2019-11-07 11:25:33
Okay it maybe a Technical issue only. Can you try to refresh the page, delete cache and cookies, switch to other browsers like internet explorer or chrome and try to do it again?
我   2019-11-07 11:26:28
The procedure is to go to the dispute page and select "False Tracking Number" which I can not do? Why is that?
Gretchen   2019-11-07 11:30:05
Yes I understand as have said earlier the system won't allow you because it based on the tracking information that the tracking number is not invalid and it shows it is in transit that is why you cannot choose the invalid tracking number as option.
我   2019-11-07 11:31:18
So if the seller uses a valid but FAKE number I can not lodge a dispute for an invalid tracking number in spite of their admitting they added a FAKE one ?
Gretchen   2019-11-07 11:32:49
Yes because it shows not valid in the tracking information. No worries you can still open a dispute for "item not received" so that you can have a refund or replacement.
我   2019-11-07 11:34:12
So the seller gets away with it because they used your system to hide behind?
Gretchen   2019-11-07 11:34:59
No worries because we will report this seller so that the related team will take action on this.
我   2019-11-07 11:36:35
So your seller Guarantee is worthless?
Gretchen   2019-11-07 11:41:19
I understand that however what we can do here is that for you to open a dispute for this case since it has passed the guaranteed delivery and also to protect your payment from being released to the seller that is why we highly encourage buyers to open a dispute if something has gone wrong with the order.
我   2019-11-07 11:43:00
So your guarantee is clearly useless and the seller can manipulate it and get away without penalty. This is unacceptable!
Gretchen   2019-11-07 11:44:54
Yes I understand the related team will be the one whose going to punish the seller for doing this.
我   2019-11-07 11:46:29
Your system is broken if it will not allow my to claim appropriately
Gretchen   2019-11-07 11:50:51
Yes I do understand we highly suggest open a dispute for the reason of "item not received" and it will also be reflected on the record of the seller.
我   2019-11-07 11:52:00
As it is pointless to continue this further with you I am finishing this conversation. I do not blame you but I blame your system which is clearly at fault.
我   2019-11-07 11:52:06
thanks for your time
Gretchen   2019-11-07 11:52:52
Okay thank you for understanding.


Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: member_xyz on November 07, 2019, 09:40:08 am
Quote
Well that is a WOFTAM and confirms what we already know dheadgate is off my shopping list in future :rant: :horse:

DhGate's system is built for the seller to abuse and hide behind using a valid but none the less FAKE tracking number.

+1.

 Seller wanted more money, couldn't ship, but would co-operate for refund provided that there was no penalty and negative feedback. When that didn't work, seller resorted to "proven fail safe process" by providing a false tracking number.
After the original deadline for delivery expired, dhgate extended the funds release date to seller to Feb 2020, while shipping with fake tracking continued.

I got sick of the bullshit and agreed open the dispute under only one option that is available to buyers.

"Item not received", "shipping still in progress".

Seller agreed,  dhgate refunded full payment , case closed without any penalty to the seller.
For what its worth , I was able to give totally negative review to the seller and dhgate for their process in the survey that was provided by dhgate afterwords.

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: BravoV on November 07, 2019, 09:47:04 am
Just don't understand why purchase from dhgate ?  :-//

So if there is a fishy web sites that has similar offer, you guys will instantly jump on it as well ?  :palm:
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: beanflying on November 07, 2019, 09:54:05 am
Just don't understand why purchase from dhgate ?  :-//

So if there is a fishy web sites that has similar offer, you guys will instantly jump on it as well ?  :palm:

As dheadgate is one of the smaller platforms it's pitfalls and shortcomings are not widely known but we have now found some and more of us are aware.

As to your :palm: go take a long walk off a short pier !
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: mansaxel on November 07, 2019, 07:56:01 pm
Dispute handled by Aliexpress, money returned, 1-star feedback left.  :-+  Now I only need a precision voltage and current source!
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maginnovision on November 07, 2019, 11:09:19 pm
On one of mine Ali is refusing to force a refund. They keep telling me to wait and if I don't get it from the post office that's my fault. Despite the fact that I uploaded screenshots of the seller saying they will not ship and their official dispute response being that they want me to cancel dispute and then they'll refund via paypal.  :-// Oh well, onto a third dispute extension.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Macbeth on November 08, 2019, 12:01:28 am
On one of mine Ali is refusing to force a refund. They keep telling me to wait and if I don't get it from the post office that's my fault. Despite the fact that I uploaded screenshots of the seller saying they will not ship and their official dispute response being that they want me to cancel dispute and then they'll refund via paypal.  :-// Oh well, onto a third dispute extension.
Yes, same here. I got refunded by Ali from the Shenzhen Super seller quickly because he only had a fake tracking number. My Cozy Life are fucking criminals though - we have plenty of examples of them using duplicate tracking numbers that go to the destination country but to some other state.

In my case "Cozy Life" sent me a number of messages starting with "Shipper lost item in post - we don't have stock - please choose another item, or refund by paypal" to "please don't dispute - we can pay your friends or family paypal or you can open paypal here...".

Present this blatant evidence to AliExpress - they say "it's still in the tracking system and you have 10 days, the seller will be deemed to have correctly shipped the item if you can't give proof otherwise". Absolute fucking joke.  :palm:
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: beanflying on November 08, 2019, 04:13:35 am
One day later [attachimg=3] Should I fill out the customer survey before or after alcoholic beverages  >:D

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: RobertPS on November 08, 2019, 05:32:34 am
On one of mine Ali is refusing to force a refund. They keep telling me to wait and if I don't get it from the post office that's my fault. Despite the fact that I uploaded screenshots of the seller saying they will not ship and their official dispute response being that they want me to cancel dispute and then they'll refund via paypal.  :-// Oh well, onto a third dispute extension.
Same exact response here. I selected Aliexpress standard shipping. Seller provided fake EMS tracking number which is stuck on in transit status on Aliexpress tracking, but has reached status POD almost three weeks ago on China post EMS tracking.
I can' t track it with my postal code locally and nothing has been delivered. When questioned the seller send me a message that the package was returned and recalled to the factory. He can' t send it again and wants to refund with Paypal (I did not pay with Paypal). So I opened a dispute with screenshots asking for a refund from Aliexpress. Then a waiting period.
Seller's response was to ask me to cancel the dispute and then he would refund with Paypal. I refused.
After the waiting period Aliexpress steps in and denies my request for a refund, telling me to wait 10 days because the package is still on its way.  |O
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: DenCraw on November 08, 2019, 10:18:55 am
On one of mine Ali is refusing to force a refund. They keep telling me to wait and if I don't get it from the post office that's my fault. Despite the fact that I uploaded screenshots of the seller saying they will not ship and their official dispute response being that they want me to cancel dispute and then they'll refund via paypal.  :-// Oh well, onto a third dispute extension.

1. you have to screenshot the messages and put them as a proof.
2. write each day a message on the dispute board.
3. have a daily chat explaining the problem to the agent. they are like bot. I think they practice lobotomy on them before they take the job.

after a week of bombarding them i have received this e.mail from Ali dispute dept.

"Dear ES shopper,
Thank you for contacting AliExpress. I am sorry to hear that you are not satisfied with your order 80032XXXXXX889.
According to the latest information, inaccuracy is found in our previous email. Please take this one as reference. I am sorry that you didn't get an adequate solution from the seller. We checked the information and supportive evidence you provided for this dispute, your claim is accepted. For this dispute, Aliexpress can provide you the following solution: Full refund. Thank you in advance for your understanding and great cooperation.
"

this proves that they have a multiple escalating system.
if an order number reach certain number of inputs from the dipute board and from the chat agents they prioritize that order and read carefully the reasons.
just expose them. Never do paypal, nor positive feedback nor a dispute harmless for the seller. NEVER.

I call this strategy "gentle bombing the finest system" :box:
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maginnovision on November 08, 2019, 05:55:22 pm
At 20$ I'm not terribly worried, I really just want the seller to get a mark for a dispute settled against them. Then I can leave negative feedback too. The screenshots were uploaded on the 22nd when I opened the dispute. If I had time I'd do a chat every day, for now I'll try writing on the dispute every day. I suppose I'll just copy paste and change the order around or something.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: BravoV on November 08, 2019, 06:04:41 pm
Here my dispute log complete with date sequences from AE, and also the attached print screen of the chat provided as the evidence, hope this helps.

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ogden on November 08, 2019, 07:56:55 pm
I provided my paypal ID to seller, yet did not agree/confirm to refund through Paypal. Result: I got close to full refund in Paypal (due to commissions) *and* full refund through Ali dispute. Aliexpress seems did not even read whole story, just resolved in my favor in a snap. Seller seems to have bigger problems than this mistake. I do not feel like lost anything at all. Just some time and tears of laugh.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kean on November 09, 2019, 01:47:09 am
I provided my paypal ID to seller, yet did not agree/confirm to refund through Paypal. Result: I got close to full refund in Paypal (due to commissions) *and* full refund through Ali dispute. Aliexpress seems did not even read whole story, just resolved in my favor in a snap. Seller seems to have bigger problems than this mistake. I do not feel like lost anything at all. Just some time and tears of laugh.
Glad to hear it.  I'm surprised the seller didn't consider this as a potential outcome of offering refunds outside of AE.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ArthurDent on November 12, 2019, 07:43:28 pm
Since 9/27/2019 I've played the same game as other posters and it is almost over. On 10/25/2019 they said the package was delivered yet the tracking said it hadn't left China yet. I left messages on AliExpress and got no reply. I have left 1-star feedback for My Cozy Life because I couldn't leave zero and opened a dispute and have got the same reply as others.

Buyer requested a refund
Dispute Reason: No tracking information
Proposal: Refund US $ 18.20
Comments:
Order Number: 800xxxxxxxxx7528
Tracking number ASXXXXXXX105CN
What type of scam is being run here? Tracking shows my order hasn’t even left China yet but somehow it has been delivered and signed for in the U.S., which is an outright lie. This tracking is bogus and it seems hundreds of other customers from around the world have reported in an online blog that they are getting the same runaround on orders of this particular item from “My Cozy Life” and other sellers on Aliexpress. This is outright fraud!
_____________________________________________________________________________

Buyer rejected a proposal
Proposal: Refund US $ 0.00
Comments:
Dear buyer , sorry for the trouble.in order to protect your right ,how about we refund to your paypal ?or would you like to choose oother item you like in our store?sorry for the trouble again and hope you could give us a chance ,could you ? could you please cancel the dispute for us and contact us quickly ? you know we do business within the principal of good faith ,we will take charge for all orders . but the dispute is so harm for us , beg for your understanding , nice day
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wilfred on November 12, 2019, 10:14:22 pm
@ArthurDent yep, same here with Manbo Life Store. I rejected the paypal refund offer. Aliexpress has gone quiet. I suppose I will just have to wait until the clock calendar times out.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Medtech1 on November 12, 2019, 11:04:14 pm
I'm having a miserable time with Aliexpress Disputes and "My Cozy Life Store". I have provided repeated evidence since day one showing messages from the Seller stating:

"Dear
sorry
we  had sent for you before
 but we just got the information the parcel will been returned to us due to Crucial
Defectives of the elements and function .
we need to return all of these items back to theirs factory
for a Security Inspection until the issue solved.
in order to protect your right ,could you please tell us your paypal to get the refund back or would you like to choose other item as replace in our store ?
sorry for the trouble again and waiting for quickly reply ,
nice day."

and

"Dear buyer,
sorry for the trouble.
If you do have no paypal, and don't want to choose other item in our store ,
how about we refund you by aliexpress.
In this case,you need to confirm the receipt ,then  you can open a dispute, it would be highly appreciated if you can choose the reason "A. Personal Reasons
B. Easy return
C. Shipping method was not as described" after confrimed the receipt and then inform us?
Please follow below steps:
1-the first section please select return and refund.
2-after that please choose personal reason.
3-then please choose I ordered by mistake or I no longer need the product.
4- then put the amount that should be refunded.
5-then in the last section it ask to specify why I am requesting a refund. you can write that I ordered by mistake.
are these steps okay with you ?
Please advice,then we could refund for you as the platform rule
Nice day"

Aliexpress keeps telling me "after checking the tracking information, this order is still within purchase protection time, please be patience waiting for the international package."  The seller told me my package is not coming.. aliexpress ignores that evidence.   I ordered this on the release of Daves Patreon video.

btw, how are some of you able to leave feedback when the seller has not shipped the item and therefore you can't confirm receipt of the item?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: amspire on November 13, 2019, 12:02:49 am
btw, how are some of you able to leave feedback when the seller has not shipped the item and therefore you can't confirm receipt of the item?
In my case with both Manbo and Cozy (AliExpress refunded the money), I had the opportunity to leave feedback after AliExpress decided on the refund to end the order. I didn't have the option of leaving feedback before then. Maybe you can if tracking shows the item "delivered".

I have had another item that AliExpress made me wait for. At the end of the protection period, they made me wait 10 days, and then they decided on another extra 10 days just because the tracking seemed to show it might still be in transit. They do refund the money at the end of the waiting, but it is annoying.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ebclr on November 13, 2019, 03:24:15 am
All this mess on all orders and nobody pointed who start this? Who made the call to help everybody jump on a cliff?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: rsjsouza on November 13, 2019, 03:49:55 am
All this mess on all orders and nobody pointed who start this? Who made the call to help everybody jump on a cliff?
We are all adults here. One can jump off a cliff on his/her own will.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: beanflying on November 13, 2019, 04:21:46 am
Got my few pennies back from dheadgate late last week and left 'appropriate' comments regarding the seller and the behavior.

There is a lesson to be learned here is that we the customers should not have to put up with this sort of sh1T and the sellers and platforms need to take their licks and make it work.

If you don't have or can't get in a timely manner and deliver on time for a price don't offer. It is really that simple!
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Jai78 on November 13, 2019, 09:06:19 pm
Here is a link to the "2 in 1 Digital MultiMeter High Accuracy Mulitifuction Process Calibrator & DMM With 24V Loop Supply Low Battery Display"

https://www.dhgate.com/product/2-in-1-digital-multimeter-high-accuracy-mulitifuction/502649371.html?skuid=654188006353485832#s1-0-1;searl (https://www.dhgate.com/product/2-in-1-digital-multimeter-high-accuracy-mulitifuction/502649371.html?skuid=654188006353485832#s1-0-1;searl)|2650057694

Not as cheap as $9us but for $50.38 it's still a bargain you can't purchase here in Australia at this price.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Electro Detective on November 14, 2019, 10:05:15 am

"Hello Electrode Defective,

This 9 dollar metre business is no fix because no stock and many no truths from distibuter

so better for you plz request for refund or buy now better orange color metre

and for bonus we send includes dvd -once upon a time in holywood- cam movie

is latest movie with brad and leo pitts,
must listen to headphones sound and ignore subtitels and pawn clicks subscribe popups


Plz you tell other VEEblog members every sellers here is solly and not happen agains

Please not hurt us with bad feedbacks, we nice peoples like you try to put food on shop counter


Best Regrads,

Pinn Oh Kio

BS Team Leader,  Brightest Star Electronics"

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Mortymore on November 14, 2019, 01:46:23 pm
...
and for bonus we send includes dvd -once upon a time in holywood- cam movie

is latest movie with brad and leo pitts,
must listen to headphones sound and ignore subtitels and pawn clicks subscribe popups
...

 :wtf:

A bonus pirate movie...  :-DD
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: rsjsouza on November 14, 2019, 07:02:31 pm
...
and for bonus we send includes dvd -once upon a time in holywood- cam movie

is latest movie with brad and leo pitts,
must listen to headphones sound and ignore subtitels and pawn clicks subscribe popups
...

 :wtf:

A bonus pirate movie...  :-DD

Nevermind Electron Defective... He is just [attachimg=1]1

1 Image Credits (http://www.iconarchive.com/show/character-icons-by-martin-berube/Troll-icon.html)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: SantaClaw on November 14, 2019, 11:05:40 pm
Finally, Looks like I am getting it tomorrow, at least according to tracking, it should arrive tomorrow... It was ordered September 28'th, and it was refunded by AliExpress...

I don't have high hopes.. I did notice the same issue with shipping on a different order, from a different vendor, they upgraded to DHL express...
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Macbeth on November 15, 2019, 01:16:48 am
Here is a link to the "2 in 1 Digital MultiMeter High Accuracy Mulitifuction Process Calibrator & DMM With 24V Loop Supply Low Battery Display"

https://www.dhgate.com/product/2-in-1-digital-multimeter-high-accuracy-mulitifuction/502649371.html?skuid=654188006353485832#s1-0-1;searl (https://www.dhgate.com/product/2-in-1-digital-multimeter-high-accuracy-mulitifuction/502649371.html?skuid=654188006353485832#s1-0-1;searl)|2650057694

Not as cheap as $9us but for $50.38 it's still a bargain you can't purchase here in Australia at this price.

Oh look at the 1 post shill. Also check out the bargain listing (with no manufacturers logo so we know it is just the e-waste reject shit) it's now > $235 !!!

[attachimg=1]

Though I am surprised that at least one of our highly esteemed regular Latvian posters appears to have ordered from this shill merchant. I mean what are the odds? (and I don't think for one minute he is such an idiot unless he has money and time to burn)

[attachimg=2]

9$ was worth the "risk" seeing as Ali supposedly is risk free. I have now learned that perhaps it's risk free but you have to go through so many loops of providing evidence to clearly fraudulent practices, including admissions from the fraudulent seller that Ali subsequently ignore that it's been a revelation in how the Chinese do business. It's bordering on Google and Youtube levels of insanity.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: SantaClaw on November 15, 2019, 03:59:32 pm
I got a box, with a broken mug inside it... lol  :-DD

Glad I got my money back days ago..

(https://i.gyazo.com/cea981b96e34bc79ab49fe65156beee6.jpg)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ArthurDent on November 16, 2019, 12:31:46 am
After refusing to cancel the dispute that 'My Cozy Life' wanted, AliExpress did step in after the time to resolve ran out, and came to a resolution. Now to see how long it takes to show up in my account.

Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kjelt on November 16, 2019, 10:32:22 pm
I got a box, with a broken mug inside it... lol  :-DD

Glad I got my money back days ago..

(https://i.gyazo.com/cea981b96e34bc79ab49fe65156beee6.jpg)
Serious?  :wtf:
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: all_repair on November 17, 2019, 12:16:01 am

"Hello Electrode Defective,

This 9 dollar metre business is no fix because no stock and many no truths from distibuter

so better for you plz request for refund or buy now better orange color metre

and for bonus we send includes dvd -once upon a time in holywood- cam movie

Plz you tell other VEEblog members every sellers here is solly and not happen agains

Please not hurt us with bad feedbacks, we nice peoples like you try to put food on shop counter


Best Regrads,

Pinn Oh Kio

BS Team Leader,  Brightest Star Electronics"



This is very acceptable to me.  They oversold what they were promised by one of the suppliers.  It is common for suppliers to overstate to encourage enquiry.  If base on normal past sale which maybe few per month, then all shall be fine.  But Dave announce to the world, and all hell break loose.  If cozzy  store had given  me this reply, I would cancel the pending delivery right away.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maginnovision on November 17, 2019, 12:18:09 am

"Hello Electrode Defective,

This 9 dollar metre business is no fix because no stock and many no truths from distibuter

so better for you plz request for refund or buy now better orange color metre

and for bonus we send includes dvd -once upon a time in holywood- cam movie

Plz you tell other VEEblog members every sellers here is solly and not happen agains

Please not hurt us with bad feedbacks, we nice peoples like you try to put food on shop counter


Best Regrads,

Pinn Oh Kio

BS Team Leader,  Brightest Star Electronics"



This is very acceptable to me.  They oversold what they were promised by one of the suppliers.  It is common for suppliers to overstate to encourage enquiry.  If base on normal past sale which maybe few per month, then all shall be fine.  But Dave announce to the world, and all hell break loose.  If cozzy  store had given  me this reply, I would cancel the pending delivery right away.

You've been trolled all_repair. You think some chinese man named Pinocchio would tell you the truth and offer you a bootleg movie? Maybe you're trolling me.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Nusa on November 17, 2019, 12:19:03 am
Well, at least they didn't use a fake tracking number in your case, Santa!


As for the second unit I ordered, I ended up with (fake or wrong) tracking info that showed delivery last month, but never arrived. Feeble attempt to refund via paypal, time ran out, and aliexpress gave me the refund.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Mortymore on November 17, 2019, 12:24:23 am
...

Best Regrads,

Pinn Oh Kio

...

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/60/f5/91/60f5914b974cc39b6f1731e1619e3a8c.png)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: all_repair on November 17, 2019, 12:31:12 am
haha..  :palm:
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maginnovision on November 17, 2019, 06:47:21 am
I'm on day 50 now since this order was placed... Ali just told me that I should be responsible for not getting the package when it arrives.  :palm: I'm 100% certain they're not reading what I write or looking at the "evidence" because they actually think a package was sent. What part of this tracking data says legitimate package?  :-DD Also the order now just says finished. I'm confused how one order was refunded in a few days, and this one is almost 30 days. I hope they don't drag this on so long I can't leave 0 star feedback.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Electro Detective on November 17, 2019, 07:08:31 am


I got a box, with a broken mug inside it... lol  :-DD

Glad I got my money back days ago..




(https://i.gyazo.com/cea981b96e34bc79ab49fe65156beee6.jpg)

They got a good deal mate  :-+

I would have chased them up for the chipped bits, and tube of super glue,

otherwise Extreme Prejudice Feedback  >:D and minus 5 stars  :-- :-- :-- :-- :--

 ;D


 
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: all_repair on November 17, 2019, 10:11:02 am
I'm on day 50 now since this order was placed... Ali just told me that I should be responsible for not getting the package when it arrives.  :palm: I'm 100% certain they're not reading what I write or looking at the "evidence" because they actually think a package was sent. What part of this tracking data says legitimate package?  :-DD Also the order now just says finished. I'm confused how one order was refunded in a few days, and this one is almost 30 days. I hope they don't drag this on so long I can't leave 0 star feedback.
Happened to mine.  I have to waste time with the chat line of the local post office to get their confirmation the tracking number wasn't to me and my address.  They could not tell me who the sender, nor the delivered address were.  I took a screenshot and posted it as additional evidence.  After 3 days, aliexpress judged that I got a full refund.  I gave aliexpress on their survey of the additional pain they have caused. 
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maginnovision on November 17, 2019, 10:18:08 am
I'm on day 50 now since this order was placed... Ali just told me that I should be responsible for not getting the package when it arrives.  :palm: I'm 100% certain they're not reading what I write or looking at the "evidence" because they actually think a package was sent. What part of this tracking data says legitimate package?  :-DD Also the order now just says finished. I'm confused how one order was refunded in a few days, and this one is almost 30 days. I hope they don't drag this on so long I can't leave 0 star feedback.
Happened to mine.  I have to waste time with the chat line of the local post office to get their confirmation the tracking number wasn't to me and my address.  They could not tell me who the sender, nor the delivered address were.  I took a screenshot and posted it as additional evidence.  After 3 days, aliexpress judged that I got a full refund.  I gave aliexpress on their survey of the additional pain they have caused.

As of now the tracking number I've got shows 0 movement through any postal system. If only they'd sent something to someone I'd have a small amount of satisfaction.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Mortymore on November 17, 2019, 10:30:43 am
...

As of now the tracking number I've got shows 0 movement through any postal system. If only they'd sent something to someone I'd have a small amount of satisfaction.

Even if they had sent to someone a broken vase to have the right amount of weight, so the package had a greater chance of being received without suspicion?

I'd prefer to get nothing, than a broken vase that would be harder to refute as fraud, since something was sent and received.
The broken vase could be argued if it wasn't  switched with the real item by the costumer.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: all_repair on November 17, 2019, 11:49:10 am
For my case, there was no movement for a long time also.  They claimed they were using dpd, but no record from dpd.  After many weeks, got a notice it reached local airport, and 2 days later shown as delivered.  When it is shown as delivered, aliexpress gave me the 2nd judgment that they would release the fund to seller if I didn't object within 3 days.   Then you would have to get evidence to show the item wasn't delivered to you.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: ciccio on November 17, 2019, 03:50:06 pm
I got a refund from My Cozy Life Store, and It was very fast because I opted for cancelling the dispute as asked by the seller.
I decided to leave non feedback, nor negative nor positive, just NO, because this story has exausted all my patience.
I ordered the meter just because I was curious, but this adventure took too much of my time.
I've found other sellers on AliExpress who have shown respect for me as a customer and have done their best to solve problems, so it's not AliExpress' fault, and I will buy there if needed.
Best regards
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Macbeth on November 17, 2019, 10:44:26 pm
I got a refund from My Cozy Life Store, and It was very fast because I opted for cancelling the dispute as asked by the seller.
I decided to leave non feedback, nor negative nor positive, just NO, because this story has exausted all my patience.
As has already been mentioned, not only do you not get your full remittance back, but you incur the paypal fees. Ok, 10% of fuck all is 10% of fuck all, but you are being forced to beg them and go through blatantly false procedures to "resolve the dispute". When they are asking for "friends and family" they are not referring to the non-commercial paypal scheme, they are asking you to use your friends or family instead of your own paypal so they can then use the commercial paypal scheme which incurs the fee on your end and best of all, they then get to put in a claim later and get a refund after AliExpress declare the dispute resolved!  >:D
Quote
I ordered the meter just because I was curious, but this adventure took too much of my time.
I've found other sellers on AliExpress who have shown respect for me as a customer and have done their best to solve problems, so it's not AliExpress' fault, and I will buy there if needed.
Best regards
Nobody is saying it is AliExpress' fault. They know that Cozy Life are absolute scum but also they have to let them "save face" because China. So the blatant chicanery and false deliveries are allowed to run their course. I prefer to reward 1* even if I fail to get my $9 back rather than be a cuck. It's less work too.
It will be a hit to AliExpress if they allow this kind of mail tracking scam to go on because most of us will stop using them altogether. It's always been a bit "Wild East" compared to ebay and Amazon but this is taking the piss :-DD

I'm more interested in how the EMS tracking scam works - how do they have this whole charade of text updates that all end up with a destination country customs clearance, "Out for delivery" (on a Sunday - NOT!) - and then a "POD" a few days later (at an ungodly hour no Universal Postal Union worker works) - while all along AliExpress still have it in their system as never having left China? and destination countries (UK Royal Mail here) not having any record of the tracking number?  :-//
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wilfred on November 17, 2019, 10:58:38 pm
I got a refund from My Cozy Life Store, and It was very fast because I opted for cancelling the dispute as asked by the seller.
I decided to leave non feedback, nor negative nor positive, just NO, because this story has exausted all my patience.
I ordered the meter just because I was curious, but this adventure took too much of my time.
I've found other sellers on AliExpress who have shown respect for me as a customer and have done their best to solve problems, so it's not AliExpress' fault, and I will buy there if needed.
Best regards

I won't be taking a paypal refund from Manbo Life Store. I'll forfeit the cost if necessary and leave negative feedback regardless of whether AE eventually give a refund. Yes it was a waste if time which is a shame. But at least not a costly one.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: IanB on November 17, 2019, 11:07:44 pm
I asked the seller to refund my credit card. They said that as they had already received payment from AliExpress they couldn't, as only AliExpress can do credit card refunds. They offered a refund by Paypal, which I declined.

I filed a dispute. The seller once again offered a refund by Paypal, which I continued to decline.

Within a few days AliExpress said that since I couldn't reach agreement with the seller they would refund my card. Refund received.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wilfred on November 17, 2019, 11:10:31 pm
I asked the seller to refund my credit card. They said that as they had already received payment from AliExpress they couldn't, as only AliExpress can do credit card refunds. They offered a refund by Paypal, which I declined.

I filed a dispute. The seller once again offered a refund by Paypal, which I continued to decline.

Within a few days AliExpress said that since I couldn't reach agreement with the seller they would refund my card. Refund received.
You've been luckier than I have. I'm still waiting.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: SantaClaw on November 17, 2019, 11:12:20 pm
You've been luckier than I have. I'm still waiting.

Have you tried the live chat? They took like 3 minutes to resolve it for me.

You just need to find the "talk to a representative" button after chatting with their bot for a while
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Macbeth on November 17, 2019, 11:41:38 pm
Have you tried the live chat? They took like 3 minutes to resolve it for me.

You just need to find the "talk to a representative" button after chatting with their bot for a while
Please provide the script walthrough, SantaClaw-senpai  :-+
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: SantaClaw on November 17, 2019, 11:49:42 pm
I guess I was lucky, I am not able to replicate it now  :-DD

but I just kept clicking and the button appeared
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maginnovision on November 18, 2019, 12:06:15 am
Quote
Eva
15:55
Not receive goods


2 in 1 Digital MultiMeter High Accuracy Mulitifuction Process Calibrator
Ships From : China
No,I have not received my order

Sorry, I cannot provide an answer to your question, but I am working very hard to improve.

Dispute progress


2 in 1 Digital MultiMeter High Accuracy Mulitifuction Process Calibrator
Ships From : China
No,I have not received my order

After checking, the dispute is awaiting for you and seller's response now.

The responding time will end on 2019-11-17 22:24:02PST(Pacific Standard Time). After the responding time ends, the dispute agent will handle it and you will get result within 48 hours.

Your feedback makes us better!

15:58
Our agent will be with you shortly...

Camilla

customer service consultant

Our agent is now in the chat.

Hi! This is Camilla from AliExpress Customer Service Team.

Hi.

Here was my path through the text adventure. The support person says this should be the last time I'm told to keep waiting... I don't believe them but at least a human actually looked at the evidence.

EDIT: Also left thumbs down feedback when prompted by automated system for usefulness.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: IanB on November 18, 2019, 02:56:11 am
You've been luckier than I have. I'm still waiting.

I waited until the transaction was closed before filing the dispute. I don't know if that helped. It was more than a month after placing the order. As evidence for the dispute I included the seller's statement that "sorry, due to problems we cannot ship", and I included the tracking information showing that the package had not left China.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: beanflying on November 18, 2019, 06:56:33 am
Try Referring Ali Express et al to this thread if you are in a bind for a refund. Proof of systemic abuse by certain sellers.  :horse:
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Brumby on November 18, 2019, 08:52:28 am
I included a link to this thread in my dispute.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wilfred on November 18, 2019, 09:26:31 am
You've been luckier than I have. I'm still waiting.

I waited until the transaction was closed before filing the dispute. I don't know if that helped. It was more than a month after placing the order. As evidence for the dispute I included the seller's statement that "sorry, due to problems we cannot ship", and I included the tracking information showing that the package had not left China.

OK, good. I was too quick of the mark. Thanks
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: FrankBuss on November 19, 2019, 11:56:11 pm
One shop, "Sturdy Tool&Lighting Store", showed POD (proof of delivery) for the tracking status, but I didn't get it. I guess they used another tracking number for my order, I can't see any address in the tracking. I started a dispute, seller proposed "No return & No refund", but in the response text offered a refund, probably offsite. I like the smilies, and of course I rejected the offer. I hope Aliexpress will hurt the shop badly when it solves the dispute in 2 days for trying to this tracking number scam >:D

(https://i.imgur.com/UmORHH1.png)

The tracking for the other shop, "Manbo life Store" (I bought it from 2 sellers) just shows that the shipping information was submitted. I guess they printed a label, but didn't ship it. I started a dispute for it as well. Same proposal, no refund so far, offering offsite refund more bluntly:

(https://i.imgur.com/y7ZR00M.png)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Xenoamor on November 20, 2019, 10:09:47 am
Both my AliExpress and DhGate refunds have now been processed. Thanks all for playing I guess!

Doesn't seem like that many meters actually ever got shipped?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: rsjsouza on November 20, 2019, 03:42:21 pm
Just got a paypal refund - but from Aliexpress stepping in, not from a direct interaction with the My Cozy Life store. I also saw my one star feedback on the store page - I made sure to put everything as one star, not just one item or another (there are three items).

I can't fault Aliexpress on anything.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kosmic on November 21, 2019, 05:57:33 pm
For the record, I ordered before Dave's video from 3 sellers and received none. Got refunded for all of them though.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maginnovision on November 21, 2019, 08:33:46 pm
I finally got my final refund. 2 received 2 refunded(with 1 star feedback) here.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: FrankBuss on November 22, 2019, 03:47:05 am
Got a refund for one order as well:

(https://i.imgur.com/AFRvuOe.png)

Seems like Aliexpress is very professional. For the other store Aliexpress responded that I should wait 10 more days, even if the tracking status says "POD" (proof of delivery), which means I should already have it. But I guess they will refund this, too. I asked my local post office if they could check to which address the tracking number belongs to provide proof that they used the wrong tracking id.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: innkeeper on November 22, 2019, 08:21:44 am
Just a followup on my DH Gate saga.

after opening a dispute, DH Gate just didn't want to hear or care about the issues with seller and their bad practices and just wanted to issue a refund and sweep it under the carpet.
this is a similar experience to another poster about DH Gate. So i cant say i am surprised, however it does go to show its not an isolated thing.

DH Gate leaves loopholes in their policies so that those bad actors "in the know" can abuse them and stay in good standing. DH Gate has no desire to close them nor investigate such issues.

This creates a breading ground for scammers and those that have questionable practices that might otherwise be kicked off other platforms for the same practice. Definitely a lesson learned.


(edit to fix some typos)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: CheckOne Two on November 27, 2019, 12:47:43 am
Just a followup on my DH Gate saga.

after opening a dispute, DH Gate just didn't want to hear or care about the issues with seller and their bad practices and just wanted to issue a refund and sweep it under the carpet.
this is a similar experience to another poster about DH Gate. So i cant say i am surprised, howevr it dos go to show its not an isolated thing.

DH Gate leaves loopholes in their policies so that those bad actors "in the know" can abuse them and martian in good standing. DH Gate has no desire to close them nor investigate such issues.

This creates a breading ground for scammers and those that have questionable practices that might otherwise be kicked off other platforms for the same practice. Definitely a lesson learned.

Almost exact same thing happened here ... I agree a lesson learned ... Just a load of BS policies at DH Gate ...  :palm:
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wilfred on November 27, 2019, 12:54:01 am
<snipped>
 Definitely a lesson learned.

You got valuable experience and a refund. Not the worst result. You might have got the meter and regretted buying it. Anyway thanks for sharing your experiences.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: rsjsouza on November 27, 2019, 01:57:03 am
<snipped>
 Definitely a lesson learned.

You got valuable experience and a refund. Not the worst result. You might have got the meter and regretted buying it. Anyway thanks for sharing your experiences.
Same. Thanks for sharing and warning this entire community to stay away from DHgate.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: blargg on November 28, 2019, 03:36:35 pm
LOL, I was looking at DHGate's required evidence when opening a dispute, and saw some funny things as example pictures (NSFW).

http://help.dhgate.com/help/buyerhelpen.php?catid=3303&artid=BD4E28A5B7AEEB64E04010AC0B647863&language=en#help_php-listmiddel-2 (http://help.dhgate.com/help/buyerhelpen.php?catid=3303&artid=BD4E28A5B7AEEB64E04010AC0B647863&language=en#help_php-listmiddel-2)
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Macbeth on December 04, 2019, 01:39:10 am
PMSL at the faulty "sex doll" evidence required by DHGate...
[attachimg=1]

As for our Cozy Life Store that seems to be getting some ludicriously favourable chances by the AliExpress team...

[attachimg=2]

Every single one of those "AliExpress proposed a new solution" things was to postpone 10 days each time despite all the evidence that Cozy Life are liars and already offered to refund me many times by paypal and there is clearly no chance in hell that a fake shipment will ever turn up.

Interestingly the last "AliExpress proposed a new solution" has a 5 day timeout. We will see how it goes.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maginnovision on December 04, 2019, 02:08:12 am
I had a similar wait 10 days forever experience. I ended up talking to a real CS representative and it was refunded a couple days later. Not sure it did any good or 5 extensions was their limit but it did get done.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: BradC on December 04, 2019, 04:20:06 am
My refund was approved (after 3 rounds of "wait 10 days") on the 2nd of Dec. Money was refunded to my CC same day.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kjelt on December 04, 2019, 07:36:43 am
Perhaps they are overloaded due to some huge chinese shopping day a month ago comparable to black friday in the us.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maginnovision on December 04, 2019, 08:25:49 am
Perhaps they are overloaded due to some huge chinese shopping day a month ago comparable to black friday in the us.

So they can click the deny button but not approve... For over a month?
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Nusa on December 04, 2019, 10:20:57 am
Nah, it just means the initial Aliexpress handling is entirely automated and designed to give both sides incentive to settle and/or cave before they have to spend employee time on it. In the early stages, "evidence" is just for the other side to look at and react to. Which actually works fairly well in the cases where there is a legitimate misunderstanding between vendor and client and the party at fault actually wants to make it right.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maginnovision on December 04, 2019, 04:31:32 pm
In my case, and probably others, the dispute process ran for weeks even beyond the initial end time which was about a month after the case was opened. Ali "stepped in" to deny it multiple times. I don't necessarily doubt it's automated but they definitely didn't care. I was pretty certain I wasn't going to get a refund since the process ran so long that even purchase protection had run out for a week or two.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: FrankBuss on December 05, 2019, 02:00:12 am
Finally got a refund for my order from "Sturdy Tool&Lighting Store" as well, after multiple 10 days extension by Aliexpress when I opened the dispute. They handled it very professional. The seller provided a tracking number, so they couldn't be sure that I received it. After the dispute and refund was completed, I could leave a negative feedback as well.

They should really improve the tracking number system. If it were possible to look at the address associated with a tracking number, then such tracking number scams wouldn't be possible. But maybe for the cheap shipping services this would cost too much.

And I hope it is not like with eBay with this refund. Some weeks ago I bought a 18650 battery from a German eBay seller. Rated capacity was 8 times higher than measured capacity. The seller didn't want to refund, so I had to open a dispute at eBay and finally eBay refunded all. Then I asked the seller if he wants the battery back. But he answered that he doesn't care, because eBay paid the refund. At least I could leave a negative feedback as well. But he is still selling this crap battery and eBay doesn't care either.

I hope someday eBay will improve this, when it gets too expensive for them. But I guess they don't care. If a scam works and not too many customers complain, because in the case of the battery they can't measure the capacity, then it is a win-win situation for eBay and the seller.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: rsjsouza on December 05, 2019, 10:33:48 am
But he is still selling this crap battery and eBay doesn't care either.
I think eBay has a section that allows users to review the product itself. Perhaps do a 1 star review of it?

I hope someday eBay will improve this, when it gets too expensive for them. But I guess they don't care. If a scam works and not too many customers complain, because in the case of the battery they can't measure the capacity, then it is a win-win situation for eBay and the seller.
At the end of the day, the comission over the sales is what matters. Amazon did the same when they opened their portal for anyone that wants to make a buck - so many threads talking about fake and bad products sold, but at least they display these reviews proeminently on the product page.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: FrankBuss on December 05, 2019, 05:49:04 pm
I think eBay has a section that allows users to review the product itself. Perhaps do a 1 star review of it?

This is only available for some items. I can select this from my purchase history list. But looks like the items which ended in a dispute, are not listed anymore in my purchase history.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wilfred on December 06, 2019, 02:07:58 am
Finally got a refund for my order from "Sturdy Tool&Lighting Store" as well, after multiple 10 days extension by Aliexpress when I opened the dispute. They handled it very professional. The seller provided a tracking number, so they couldn't be sure that I received it. After the dispute and refund was completed, I could leave a negative feedback as well.

They should really improve the tracking number system. If it were possible to look at the address associated with a tracking number, then such tracking number scams wouldn't be possible. But maybe for the cheap shipping services this would cost too much.

And I hope it is not like with eBay with this refund. Some weeks ago I bought a 18650 battery from a German eBay seller. Rated capacity was 8 times higher than measured capacity. The seller didn't want to refund, so I had to open a dispute at eBay and finally eBay refunded all. Then I asked the seller if he wants the battery back. But he answered that he doesn't care, because eBay paid the refund. At least I could leave a negative feedback as well. But he is still selling this crap battery and eBay doesn't care either.

I hope someday eBay will improve this, when it gets too expensive for them. But I guess they don't care. If a scam works and not too many customers complain, because in the case of the battery they can't measure the capacity, then it is a win-win situation for eBay and the seller.

How is it a win for Ebay? If I understood what you said they paid the refund and they suffer the reputational loss from unhappy customers like yourself who post about it. They would care about both the reputation loss and the cost of the refund.  I wouldn't expect them to check items because that would be too expensive.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Brumby on December 06, 2019, 05:00:48 am
How is it a win for Ebay?
Let's think about this for a second... (that's all it takes).

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If I understood what you said they paid the refund and they suffer the reputational loss from unhappy customers like yourself who post about it.
That is a "Yes", followed by a "No".

Yes, they paid the refund - but by doing so, it wasn't eBay itself that suffered the reputational loss - it was the Seller.  If anything, eBay gained in the reputation stakes by giving the refund.  The only negative global effect on eBay is the reinforcement of the potential to find shady Sellers.

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They would care about both the reputation loss and the cost of the refund.  I wouldn't expect them to check items because that would be too expensive.
These points are correct, but the cost of the refund would simply be part of the cost of doing business.  Besides, they would have some measures in place to recover those costs wherever possible.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wilfred on December 06, 2019, 08:29:12 am
How is it a win for Ebay?
Let's think about this for a second... (that's all it takes).

Quote
If I understood what you said they paid the refund and they suffer the reputational loss from unhappy customers like yourself who post about it.
That is a "Yes", followed by a "No".

Yes, they paid the refund - but by doing so, it wasn't eBay itself that suffered the reputational loss - it was the Seller.  If anything, eBay gained in the reputation stakes by giving the refund.  The only negative global effect on eBay is the reinforcement of the potential to find shady Sellers.

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They would care about both the reputation loss and the cost of the refund.  I wouldn't expect them to check items because that would be too expensive.
These points are correct, but the cost of the refund would simply be part of the cost of doing business.  Besides, they would have some measures in place to recover those costs wherever possible.

IfI understood Frankbuss correctly he seems to suggest Ebay get a win along with the seller in perpetuating the scams (as FB characterises it).

I think that isn't correct. and it also goes to suggest Ebay can benefit from shady transactions. I think Ebay want to ensure buyers have as little resistance to choosing to buy on Ebay and that it is in Ebay's interest to see buyers get the refund and buy again hopefully from a more reliable seller.

Ebay et al often seem to get tarnished generically when a purchase goes bad. I often hear it said something bad was bought on Ebay, not from seller xyx2000. Sellers are mostly anonymous to buyers.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: FrankBuss on December 06, 2019, 02:30:56 pm
IfI understood Frankbuss correctly he seems to suggest Ebay get a win along with the seller in perpetuating the scams (as FB characterises it).

Right, this is what I meant, eBay gets the fees for each sold item. Of course, they don't support these scammers intentionally. But the way they handle it, like that you can't leave a review for items which were disputed, and that they don't look into the details (I provided even the discharge curve), encourages such scams.

I think that isn't correct. and it also goes to suggest Ebay can benefit from shady transactions. I think Ebay want to ensure buyers have as little resistance to choosing to buy on Ebay and that it is in Ebay's interest to see buyers get the refund and buy again hopefully from a more reliable seller.

Yes, this is probably what they want. But I wonder if it helps in the long term if they just refund it, without consequences for the seller. But I guess they can't spend much time on it, the platform is too big, and at least the negative feedback percentage is displayed. Fortunately most things I buy at eBay are working as advertised.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Xenoamor on December 06, 2019, 02:45:38 pm
For what it's worth FrankBuss I respect that you at least tried to sort it out. Your write up was good as well. Unsurprisingly a lot of people on this forum were saying that the fault is on the side of the consumer for not knowing that such capacities were impossible but we're not all electronic engineers.

The overrating of batteries is pandemic and it must seriously hurt legitimate companies. It's definitely not just isolated to eBay, it's pretty much any battery that comes out of China as well. If it's of any use we use the energizer AA non-rechargable batteries and they're excellent, lots of juice.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Kjelt on December 06, 2019, 06:26:53 pm
Quote from: Frank Buss
But the way they handle it, like that you can't leave a review for items which were disputed, and that they don't look into the details (I provided even the discharge curve), encourages such scams.
Look at the helpdesk jobs, the people working there at most finished high school.
None have an EE degree, and they can't have a specialist for each and every item they sell or they would not make any money at all.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: all_repair on December 07, 2019, 03:51:27 pm
Reason to pickup the meter was to standby as spare in case an equipment need more sources than what I have.  Price was right, and wasn't a bet that I could repair these QC rejects.
Now I can get some of this with the refund:

US $15.98  21%OFF | Analog 0-5V 0-10V 4-20mA Signal Generator with Rechargeable Battery Pocket Adjustable Voltage Current Simulator LB01G Calibrator
https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/oSd7C0fI
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: RobertPS on December 09, 2019, 12:08:30 am
Aliexpress decided to refund me on my order with the false EMS tracking number. The process took a long time, but the outcome is right. :clap:
........And a few hours later the order from our friends at 'My cozy life' store with fake TNT tracking number is also in the process of being refunded.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wilfred on December 17, 2019, 04:57:44 am
Thanks Aliexpress. I was just told I will receive a full refund. It seems Aliexpress' systems as soons as the delivery time expires and delivery hasn't happened just close out the dispute with a refund.

I wish they could have done it sooner once the vendor (Manbo Life Store) stated they couldn't ship and made several attempts to offer me a refund via Paypal. Which I repeatedly rejected because it just sounded shifty. You can't pay with PP on Aliexpress as far as I can tell so refunds by that method would just be invisible to Aliexpress.

Better late than never. Still have to wait for the money to appear in my credit card account though.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: FrankBuss on December 17, 2019, 06:24:00 am
I wish they could have done it sooner once the vendor (Manbo Life Store) stated they couldn't ship and made several attempts to offer me a refund via Paypal. Which I repeatedly rejected because it just sounded shifty. You can't pay with PP on Aliexpress as far as I can tell so refunds by that method would just be invisible to Aliexpress.

Right, never accept offsite payments from the seller. I think they offer this to avoid official refunds, which gives them negative ratings from the system. Hopefully when they get enough negative ratings, Aliexpress will shut down such shops. And don't forget to rate them, too, with appropriate comments, like "scammed shipment tracking ID" etc.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wilfred on December 17, 2019, 06:27:20 am
And don't forget to rate them, too, with appropriate comments, like "scammed shipment tracking ID" etc.
Good point. I was going to just wash my hands of them but downrating them would help others. I will.


edit: Money is now in my credit card account and I left one star review.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: sorenkir on December 20, 2019, 10:51:43 am
Mine is also marked as delivered by all sellers But is a deliver that the track does not work or update, as usual, finally yesterday, they assume with excuses, Be ready for the same on your orders, The fact only very few people had the meter really shipped, I'm on an early bird on this, bought few minutes after the post ( not the video ).

sorenkir  appear to be ones of those who will receive the meter

After 2 monthes, still nothing!
I opened a dispute, the seller proposed a PayPal refund and eventually I got a direct refund from AliExpress.

Michel.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: wilfred on December 20, 2019, 11:05:06 am
Mine is also marked as delivered by all sellers But is a deliver that the track does not work or update, as usual, finally yesterday, they assume with excuses, Be ready for the same on your orders, The fact only very few people had the meter really shipped, I'm on an early bird on this, bought few minutes after the post ( not the video ).

sorenkir  appear to be ones of those who will receive the meter

After 2 monthes, still nothing!
I opened a dispute, the seller proposed a PayPal refund and eventually I got a direct refund from AliExpress.

Michel.
I just got my refund and I left a 1 star review.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thinkfat on December 20, 2019, 11:15:06 am
Story over for me as well. Refund received through Aliexpress, left an appropriately worded 1-Star review.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: Brumby on December 23, 2019, 08:26:51 am
Was just checking over my bank statement regarding my experience... Between when I purchased and when I received my refund, the exchange rate had slipped a bit.  As a result, the exercise cost me 89 cents.

I'll wear that for the experience and entertainment value.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: CChin254 on August 01, 2020, 01:00:05 am
IC Identification for the AIMOmeter AMPX1 Meter:
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: CChin254 on August 17, 2020, 10:09:58 pm
I did a Cost Analysis on this device. The total cost to build the device is ~$30.60.

Since I did not have the exact measurements of the device, the non-electronics costs are estimated.

Cost Distribution:
[attachimg=1]

IC Manufacturer Distribution:
[attachimg=2]

The full Excel/PDF Bill of Materials sheet is attached below.
Excel: [attach=3]
PDF: [attach=4]

Please note that the PDF version does not seem to have the chart of the IC Manufacturer Distribution. That chart is attached above.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maginnovision on August 17, 2020, 10:23:33 pm
Where do you get an ADS1232 for $0.59(Finding >$4/ea for reels)? I'm also not seeing the LTC1446 for $3.07(Finding >$8/ea for reels).
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: thm_w on August 17, 2020, 11:12:41 pm
Where do you get an ADS1232 for $0.59(Finding >$4/ea for reels)? I'm also not seeing the LTC1446 for $3.07(Finding >$8/ea for reels).

$3.43/ea https://www.ti.com/store/ti/en/p/product/?p=ADS1232IPWR&HQS=OCB-tistore-null-storeinv-invf-store-octopart-wwe (https://www.ti.com/store/ti/en/p/product/?p=ADS1232IPWR&HQS=OCB-tistore-null-storeinv-invf-store-octopart-wwe)

I just bought some on taobao for ~$1.50 (not tested yet..), so 59c is crazy cheap.
LTC1446 is quite old, can be found for even less, but yeah definitely not from a trusted distributor at that price.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: maginnovision on August 17, 2020, 11:41:24 pm
Where do you get an ADS1232 for $0.59(Finding >$4/ea for reels)? I'm also not seeing the LTC1446 for $3.07(Finding >$8/ea for reels).

$3.43/ea https://www.ti.com/store/ti/en/p/product/?p=ADS1232IPWR&HQS=OCB-tistore-null-storeinv-invf-store-octopart-wwe (https://www.ti.com/store/ti/en/p/product/?p=ADS1232IPWR&HQS=OCB-tistore-null-storeinv-invf-store-octopart-wwe)

I just bought some on taobao for ~$1.50 (not tested yet..), so 59c is crazy cheap.
LTC1446 is quite old, can be found for even less, but yeah definitely not from a trusted distributor at that price.

Thanks, I was genuinely curious. Thought maybe there was a source I didn't know about. I typically don't check mfgr websites because the prices are no better but shipping is much slower so that's a surprise for the 1232. If you think about it maybe you can report back on those you bought from taobao.
Title: Re: EEVblog #1248 - INSANE A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF
Post by: CChin254 on August 18, 2020, 01:13:20 am
Updated Spreadsheet (Based on mainly Chinese Supplier prices):

Cost Distribution:
[attachimg=1]

IC Manufacturer Distribution:
[attachimg=2]

Spreadsheet:
Excel: [attach=3]
PDF: [attach=4]