Just got one for slightly more from here now that AliExpress stock is all gone: https://www.dhgate.com/product/2-in-1-digital-multimeter-high-accuracy-mulitifuction/486004131.html (https://www.dhgate.com/product/2-in-1-digital-multimeter-high-accuracy-mulitifuction/486004131.html)
I can confirm 150 sales through my links, almost everyone ordered 2 units, so that's 300 units total at least before the sub $10 party ended.
Just got one for slightly more from here now that AliExpress stock is all gone: https://www.dhgate.com/product/2-in-1-digital-multimeter-high-accuracy-mulitifuction/486004131.html (https://www.dhgate.com/product/2-in-1-digital-multimeter-high-accuracy-mulitifuction/486004131.html)thanks 0xDEADFEED
This is a great example of the perennial forum debates about just what relationship price has to value. At $9 it is clearly a bargain at runout prices and could never have been sold for this price. So should it be criticised as if it were a true $9 cheapy? What is the true value price point for this meter on the market?
Someone offered comment on the range switch, but what is it about the range switch that makes it poor. Is it simply that it was on a meter bought for $9. No objective testing has been done. I have heard of another meter not in the $9 class which had range switch issues. Aren't all range switches largely created equal?
They have a website but Google hates it it seems :-// http://www.aimometer.com (http://www.aimometer.com)
and http://www.aimometer.cn/ (http://www.aimometer.cn/)
They have a website but Google hates it it seems :-// http://www.aimometer.com (http://www.aimometer.com)
and http://www.aimometer.cn/ (http://www.aimometer.cn/)
Clicking on the link for the meter, which they advertise in the image slideshow on their main page, leads to a 404 webpage. And looks like in "products" it is not listed.
We still have to see if the various stores ship the meters. The ones I ordered Friday will expire if they are not shipped by Tuesday and I will just get my money refunded instead of receiving a meter.
Has anyone had any of the meters ordered since Dave mentioned them marked as "Shipped" yet?
Dhgate claims that if the seller cancels or fails to ship, you get a full refund plus $20-$30 extra credit. Win-win for anyone who missed out on Ali Express and paid $23 for the one on dhgate.Unfortunately, I missed out on that one too. :(
Well, Wish is a special case. They would have to pay me to get their junk. I would be highly cautious of giving them any money.I've never heard of them. They are claiming the price is reduced from $866. And you have to login before even browsing around. Forget it.
If they don't ship it I get my money back and $20 credit.
That's pretty good.
They got about 80 sales, they're potentially in the hole for $1600. Yikes.
If they don't ship it I get my money back and $20 credit.
That's pretty good.
They got about 80 sales, they're potentially in the hole for $1600. Yikes.
I wouldn't hold your breath for that offer .... from reading up online I see that offer seems to hardly ever be honoured .... :(
If they don't ship it I get my money back and $20 credit.
That's pretty good.
They got about 80 sales, they're potentially in the hole for $1600. Yikes.
I wouldn't hold your breath for that offer .... from reading up online I see that offer seems to hardly ever be honoured .... :(
I'm fairly confident I'll get my money back at least. Have shopped on many chinese websites before because cheaper price
Usually if they try to scam you they will use a fake tracking number to show the system that it was shipped. It's fairly obvious to the arbitrators that there's something shady going on.If they don't ship it I get my money back and $20 credit.
That's pretty good.
They got about 80 sales, they're potentially in the hole for $1600. Yikes.
I wouldn't hold your breath for that offer .... from reading up online I see that offer seems to hardly ever be honoured .... :(
I'm fairly confident I'll get my money back at least. Have shopped on many chinese websites before because cheaper price
Hope so .... I'll report back what happens here but apparently they will be on holiday now till the 8th ..............
I see we both got the same message word for word from "different" sellers so obviously same people .... I bought from "tonethiny" ....Same too.
yaseri 2019-09-29 14:44
Dear friends
Then are you willing to help us make up the difference?
Because our system had an error before
The price before the purchase of this product was wrong.
We just recommend you the product at the same price as the one you paid for.
If you want this product
Can you help us make up $65.36?
This is the lowest price we can give you.
The remaining loss is paid by us
Is this okay?
Please open the link below and put in the number 86
And complete the payment
We will arrange the delivery for you right away.
Thank you
https://www.dhgate.com/product/roadlover-additional-postage-for-express/476686118.html (https://www.dhgate.com/product/roadlover-additional-postage-for-express/476686118.html)
Yep,
Now asking for additional $65.36 to help him cover a loss.Quoteyaseri 2019-09-29 14:44
Dear friends
Then are you willing to help us make up the difference?
Because our system had an error before
The price before the purchase of this product was wrong.
We just recommend you the product at the same price as the one you paid for.
If you want this product
Can you help us make up $65.36?
This is the lowest price we can give you.
The remaining loss is paid by us
Is this okay?
Please open the link below and put in the number 86
And complete the payment
We will arrange the delivery for you right away.
Thank you
https://www.dhgate.com/product/roadlover-additional-postage-for-express/476686118.html (https://www.dhgate.com/product/roadlover-additional-postage-for-express/476686118.html)
I see we both got the same message word for word from "different" sellers so obviously same people .... I bought from "tonethiny" ....Same too.
I wonder how the site shows the transaction history on the product page. When I ordered, there was nothing, now there are 66 transactions and I'm on the first page, which means a lot of orders before mine.
You placed a listing to a price which I accepted and purchased the item this is forms a contract which you now want to renegotiate after I have paid for that contract?
This is not okay or acceptable and is you clearly trying to breech or not fulfill that contract.
You now seem to be saying you have the calibrators available to send straight away if I agree to your revised offer. So you were not telling the truth in your first message about still being in production?
Dear friends
I am very sorry to tell you.
We are no longer in stock
Can we help you with a refund?
Please open the dispute and choose the reason for the dispute: item now not required
Only for this reason can we help you with a quick refund
Please understand
Thank you
I bought one too. I got these messages:
(https://i.imgur.com/fcvlo4d.png)
They tried to scam me too by asking me to switch to a normal multimeter.
This is what they attached:
(https://i.imgur.com/dUAalAx.jpg)
I would research the reason for dispute. I bet it is not the only way they can "help". And that reason probably benefits them in some way.
Just checked. My Aliexpress guy doesn't look like he's trying any funny business. Still says "Awaiting Shipment", so I could probably see the thing show up in the next ... eventually.
I would research the reason for dispute. I bet it is not the only way they can "help". And that reason probably benefits them in some way.Perhaps the platform investigate when sellers cancel a lot of orders, and they get penalized.
I would research the reason for dispute. I bet it is not the only way they can "help". And that reason probably benefits them in some way.Perhaps the platform investigate when sellers cancel a lot of orders, and they get penalized.
Or maybe it reflects on the feedback score, if we can vote or not depending on the dispute reason. The two vendors from dhgate don't have a lot of reviews, so getting up to 60 negative ones would really affect their score.
They're collectively trying to get you to "fix" the problem from your end, which relieves them of any buyer protection policies that might apply. And at least in the case of Aliexpress, the opportunity to give publicly visible feedback on the transaction goes away if YOU cancel the order. Those stores live and die by their feedback scores, in some cases.
My advice to most of you is not to agree to anything and leave the onus of changing the contract to the seller, rather than giving them an easy out.
That the brand name was removed shows that this is not just stolen parts or so. It takes quite some effort to remove it, especially if the instrument is already assembled. My guess would be that the slightly unreliable operation that Dave had could be the cause and this could be something like a flawed first series or maybe returns that than get the brand name removed and sold for cheap instead of going to the waste.
I don't think it would be something as simple as failing on the EMI / FCC test - or the dodgy CAT III rating - the Chinese usually don't care much about these.
For DMM it is OK to have the USB only one direction, but for a calibrator one may like to have both directions.
Yep,
Now asking for additional $65.36 to help him cover a loss.Quoteyaseri 2019-09-29 14:44
Dear friends
Then are you willing to help us make up the difference?
Because our system had an error before
The price before the purchase of this product was wrong.
We just recommend you the product at the same price as the one you paid for.
If you want this product
Can you help us make up $65.36?
This is the lowest price we can give you.
The remaining loss is paid by us
Is this okay?
Please open the link below and put in the number 86
And complete the payment
We will arrange the delivery for you right away.
Thank you
https://www.dhgate.com/product/roadlover-additional-postage-for-express/476686118.html (https://www.dhgate.com/product/roadlover-additional-postage-for-express/476686118.html)
Yep,
Now asking for additional $65.36 to help him cover a loss.Quoteyaseri 2019-09-29 14:44
Dear friends
Then are you willing to help us make up the difference?
Because our system had an error before
The price before the purchase of this product was wrong.
We just recommend you the product at the same price as the one you paid for.
If you want this product
Can you help us make up $65.36?
This is the lowest price we can give you.
The remaining loss is paid by us
Is this okay?
Please open the link below and put in the number 86
And complete the payment
We will arrange the delivery for you right away.
Thank you
https://www.dhgate.com/product/roadlover-additional-postage-for-express/476686118.html (https://www.dhgate.com/product/roadlover-additional-postage-for-express/476686118.html)
What does 86 mean there? 86$? The asked for 65$ and then told you to input 86$?
2 of my AliExpress meters "shipped" yesterday. Tracking numbers are legitimate.
Dear friends
very sorry
We only recommended you to give you the same price as you.
We found that our product price has gone wrong.
And put it off the shelf and reset the price.
I hope you can understand
If you are not willing to pay more prices
We can help you with the refund
Please open the dispute and choose the reason: item now not required
Only for this reason can we help you with a refund
Please understand
Thank you
2 of my AliExpress meters "shipped" yesterday. Tracking numbers are legitimate.
Are you one of the original patreon buyers?
Dear friend,
Sorry, we just got the information from the warehouse when packing the parcels
there is some quality problems for this batch of this item, can not be shipped out .
We tried our best to correct it , but still can't fix it totally .
So we suggest to refund to you in case you have to wait too long
How about you cancel the order first?
And you can place the new order later if we figure the problems out.
Once again, we send our sincere apology and hope to hear from you soon.
if you want to cancel the order, could you choose the reason 1 or 2
for example : "buyer does not want to buy"or "other reason" for faster refund
There is not effect on you to choose which reason
Best regards
And the counter offer to not being prepared to renegotiate the sale. Time to chat to Dhgate about their 'trusted' seller.QuoteDear friends
very sorry
We only recommended you to give you the same price as you.
We found that our product price has gone wrong.
And put it off the shelf and reset the price.
I hope you can understand
If you are not willing to pay more prices
We can help you with the refund
Please open the dispute and choose the reason: item now not required
Only for this reason can we help you with a refund
Please understand
Thank you
They were ordered on the 26th, from My Cozy Life Store and House of Happiness Store.
2 of my AliExpress meters "shipped" yesterday. Tracking numbers are legitimate.
The online small sellers almost all do not have a physical store. Most are teens learning English or with some English ability. They help to list the item, do the description and then do customer service. They do not have stock also. And these teens do not have to in, or from, China.
Got a friend's daughter doing that as a sideline while she was doing her A level last two years. And she paid for some pop up advertisement and was making quite good pocket money.
And the counter offer to not being prepared to renegotiate the sale. Time to chat to Dhgate about their 'trusted' seller.QuoteDear friends
very sorry
We only recommended you to give you the same price as you.
We found that our product price has gone wrong.
And put it off the shelf and reset the price.
I hope you can understand
If you are not willing to pay more prices
We can help you with the refund
Please open the dispute and choose the reason: item now not required
Only for this reason can we help you with a refund
Please understand
Thank you
I got the same and one further message following that saying that if I didn't choose "item now not required" then the refund would not be quick:
"If you choose another reason
We won't refund you soon".
No movement yet for my 3 pcs from my cozy store placed on 27 1700hr. If the store came back and asked for help, I would let her (most likely) off. This is big adnormality created after Dave video came out. Hit them out of the blue. Don't think they are trying to make more, but trying not to be penalized.
Sent Dhgate a notice with some details asking them to get involved so see what comes back tomorrow.
Dhgate is further down the supply chain. Likely they are resellers of resellers. My feel is either there is no stock, they can't deliver and have to pay the non-delivery penalty, or their sources have only the more expensive goods to offer. The rejects have tiers too. Lowest tiers are only good for part savage.No movement yet for my 3 pcs from my cozy store placed on 27 1700hr. If the store came back and asked for help, I would let her (most likely) off. This is big adnormality created after Dave video came out. Hit them out of the blue. Don't think they are trying to make more, but trying not to be penalized.
I'd be perfectly fine with it... If they weren't lying to me. This also doesn't seem to be a Dave thing other than he helped drive demand. These people obviously weren't LOSING money or they wouldn't have listed them at these prices. Instead it seems they've decided they can get more money for them.
I encourage you to take mercy on your reluctant sellers, they aren't to blame in any of this. I understand your disappointment, I wasn't even nearly quickly enough.
I encourage you to take mercy on your reluctant sellers, they aren't to blame in any of this. I understand your disappointment, I wasn't even nearly quickly enough.That mercy takes the form of whatever the platform policy on refunds from a seller unilaterally canceling the sale after they chose the product, chose the price, made the offer, and took the order.
Dhgate is further down the supply chain. Likely they are resellers of resellers. My feel is either there is no stock, they can't deliver and have to pay the non-delivery penalty, or their sources have only the more expensive goods to offer. The rejects have tiers too. Lowest tiers are only good for part savage.The different AliExpress stores seem to have the same items on offer. Of the stores I have tested, if I search for "meters", I get exactly the same result. All the Stores look like they are based on the same design. They all look like the same company.
They have a website but Google hates it it seems :-// http://www.aimometer.com (http://www.aimometer.com)
and http://www.aimometer.cn/ (http://www.aimometer.cn/)
Clicking on the link for the meter, which they advertise in the image slideshow on their main page, leads to a 404 webpage. And looks like in "products" it is not listed.
Yep that's what I found too. Seems they have some sort of MASTEK relationship there is some AIMO branded Mastek products out in the wild in particular the anemometer, the Mastek process calibrator is available by the links. Maybe they have considered them slow sellers from a 2015 release or build and have dropped them?
They were ordered on the 26th, from My Cozy Life Store and House of Happiness Store.
I have a meter ordered from My Cozy Life Store on the 26th, so I have my fingers crossed. They haven't sent it yet.
I encourage you to take mercy on your reluctant sellers, they aren't to blame in any of this. I understand your disappointment, I wasn't even nearly quickly enough.
Insisting to get the order is a very unfair thing to do to the shop owners.Sorry. I simply cannot agree with that.
Most of those who ordered placed their order not because they were actively looking for a calibrator, but because knowing/hoping they'll get some undeserved advantage.What undeserved advantage?
Legal? Yes.Obviously.
Ethical? No.What? Our insistence on them delivering what was offered?
I won’t be canceling the order as “no longer required” or paying more. If they discover that their supply chain isn’t equipped to complete the offer they proposed and I accepted, they can take their lumps from their error.
IMO, they are absolutely responsible for their listings.
I didn't apply pressure to them to make the sale listing. They did completely of their own free will.Completely agree with both of these comments.
It was probably remainder of stock, unsupported by the manufacturer, and with some flaws, so they got it cheap. This could explain as well why the label was scraped off, because the original company didn't want to get a bad reputation for something that doesn't work perfectly.My theory as well.
You guys never learn, do you. There was a whole Cole Palmer fiasco and before, did not seem to stop you.
Just want to point that it's probably one guy, or group of people running multiple stores, they not make much of profit on the items but when they get high reputation on aliexpress they can sell the store itselfMore reasons to vote negative to the seller if they don't send the meter tomorrow.
It falls in the same category of free cheese. I am just saying my observation, not teaching morals.
So the whole thing is just a mistake in pricing :popcorn: You can't blame the seller for not sending the item. In the EU a seller isn't obliged to deliver an item if the price is obviously wrong. There have been several court cases where the buyers lost.Yep,
Now asking for additional $65.36 to help him cover a loss.Quoteyaseri 2019-09-29 14:44
Dear friends
Then are you willing to help us make up the difference?
Because our system had an error before
The price before the purchase of this product was wrong.
We just recommend you the product at the same price as the one you paid for.
If you want this product
Can you help us make up $65.36?
This is the lowest price we can give you.
The remaining loss is paid by us
Is this okay?
Please open the link below and put in the number 86
And complete the payment
We will arrange the delivery for you right away.
Thank you
https://www.dhgate.com/product/roadlover-additional-postage-for-express/476686118.html (https://www.dhgate.com/product/roadlover-additional-postage-for-express/476686118.html)
Yes exact same message going to everybody it seems ..... as I detailed in my last post I just replied saying with the high chance of faults I wasn't willing to pay more than the original price and didn't think the majority of others would either ...... so he was probably looking at a very high % of returns by trying to raise the price ......
So the whole thing is just a mistake in pricing :popcorn: You can't blame the seller for not sending the item. In the EU a seller isn't obliged to deliver an item if the price is obviously wrong. There have been several court cases where the buyers lost.
In case anyone is interested, this is the lowest I was able to find earlier:
https://www.wish.com/product/5d82eea61ac87a107be9016f (https://www.wish.com/product/5d82eea61ac87a107be9016f)
Use the promo code XMRDZNK.
How much discount with that code?100%. Wish is basically guaranteed scam. Seriously, don't give them any money, you won't see it back.
How much discount with that code?100%. Wish is basically guaranteed scam. Seriously, don't give them any money, you won't see it back.
So the whole thing is just a mistake in pricing :popcorn: You can't blame the seller for not sending the item. In the EU a seller isn't obliged to deliver an item if the price is obviously wrong. There have been several court cases where the buyers lost.
AliExpress and other small online shops does not have stock.I think it’s ethical as a customer to buy online from small shops and keep them accountable for the price + shipment costs they published online.
- The end customer place an online order to a small shop.
- After the payment was approved, the small shop place a centralized order to the warehouse.
At this point it is very clear that the warehouse changed the price, so the price jumped about 5-10 times over night. A small shop will not have money to take the hit, so they will try to mitigate the loss. No matter what, the shop will take some damage, either in money or in reputation.
Insisting to get the order is a very unfair thing to do to the shop owners. Most of those who ordered placed their order not because they were actively looking for a calibrator, but because knowing/hoping they'll get some undeserved advantage.
Legal? Yes.
Ethical? No.
They were ordered on the 26th, from My Cozy Life Store and House of Happiness Store.
I have a meter ordered from My Cozy Life Store on the 26th, so I have my fingers crossed. They haven't sent it yet.
Same, my 2 were from My Cozy Life Store and on 26th around 11pm.
Not shipped yet either.
Now THAT is the EEVBlog Effect.
6 pages in already, and it looks like everyone's about to get rolled and or consider chasing their money back = time wasted and blown NMD :-DMM expectations :(
Good day and thanks for contacting DHgate Customer Service.
At DHgate.com customer satisfaction is something that we take very seriously and would never compromise under any circumstances.
I have checked on your order and base on the records in our system, I see here that your seller is still preparing your order and making sure that it is in good quality before they shipped it to you. The tracking number will be available on or before 2019-10-09 09:08 Beijing time as the seller's given shipping deadline. Since the seller is refusing to honor the contract which we really don't allow on our website, we suggest that you cancel this order and re-order it to a guaranteed seller and make sure to inquire to the seller first before placing the order.
Here are the steps on how to cancel the order before Shipping:
1.) Log on to DHgate.com.
2.) Click on "My DHgate" located on the top part of the page and click "Orders" tab.
3.) Click on "Awaiting Shipment"
4.) Look for the order and click on "Request Refund"
5.) Select the reason "Items no longer required", and then click on the "Submit" button.
Please make sure to use a computer and use a web browser to access DHgate website so that you can open the dispute by following the steps mentioned above.
When requesting refund, we highly recommend that you contact your seller first so that they can be aware that you want to cancel this order and request a refund. Kindly give them the reason as well so that they could respond accordingly to your request.
Please wait for the seller to accept the request within 7 days. If the seller ignores your request, you will be automatically refunded by the system on the 8th day.
At the same time, we really appreciate you for letting us know about your concern with your seller. Rest assured that we will take actions on this and make sure that you won't be dealing with this kind of problem again with these sellers because here on our site we don't tolerate seller like them.
We appreciate your trust in DHGate.com, and we will do our best to give you the utmost service you deserve. If you have any other question, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Regards,
Daffy
Customer Service Center
DHgate.com
And the form letter reply from DHGate seemingly not read anything I typed but going down the path of least resistance :-- Needless to say I replied politely and firmly asking the to actually read what is being said by their 'Trusted Supplier'.
And yes the Englishified Name is as written ::)QuoteSince the seller is refusing to honor the contract which we really don't allow on our website, we suggest that you cancel this order and re-order it to a guaranteed seller and make sure to inquire to the seller first before placing the order.
[...]
5.) Select the reason "Items no longer required", and then click on the "Submit" button.
Even dhgate suggests that you pretend that you changed your mind rather than following their stated policy of full refund plus $20 bonus credit.
Even dhgate suggests that you pretend that you changed your mind rather than following their stated policy of full refund plus $20 bonus credit.
Where's this $20 credit mentioned on the dhgate website?
These rules do not apply to situation where the buyer cancelled the order because of items not now required.
Dispatch Pledge” service
Our Dispatch Pledge Guarantee applies to any product that is included as part of our Guarantee and includes the following conditions:
• When the seller does not dispatch the goods within the agreed processing time, our system will automatically return payment to the buyer and also deduct US $20 from the seller’s account to compensate the buyer;
• When the seller provides an invalid tracking number. In this case, upon notification from buyer, on his/her behalf, we will investigate the complaint. Once we have confirmed the tracking number to be invalid, sellers will be required to upload a valid tracking number at a specific time and if they are not able to do so, our system will deduct US $30 from the seller’s account to compensate the buyer.
These rules do not apply to situation where the buyer cancelled the order because of items not now required.
Dispatch Pledge (Special Condition)
If a customer places multiple orders for the same product to be shipped to the same address within a narrow timeframe (e.g. one month), these orders will be treated as one order if a seller violates our Dispatch Pledge Guarantee.
In such an instance, compensation to the buyer will be as follows:
• The seller does not dispatch the goods: $20
• The seller provides an invalid tracking number: $30
FAQs
1.If I cancel my order with or without negotiation with the seller, can I still apply for extra compensation?
No. Extra compensation is not awarded in cases where the buyer has cancelled the order.
2.What should I do if I think the tracking number the seller provided is invalid?
I ordered from "KingPet Market Store" just an hour or two after Dave released the video to Patreons.
Mine now shows up as shipped with a working tracking number.
I did pay an extra $9 for express shipping via "Fedex IP" but according to Aliexpress the seller used TNT.
In any case so far it looks alright.
It does look like the tracking number is a regular China Post one though.
I guess that is one way to recoup a bit of cost, in any case I'm fine as long as I get my two meters :)
I'd be perfectly fine with it... If they weren't lying to me. This also doesn't seem to be a Dave thing other than he helped drive demand. These people obviously weren't LOSING money or they wouldn't have listed them at these prices. Instead it seems they've decided they can get more money for them.
Net Dimensions (cm) 20.8*10.4*4.5
Net Weight (kg) 0.54
I think there will be a lot more cancellations when the AliExpress seller gets back to work from National Day.
I don't see a weight listed for the meter, but it looks like a heavy enough package that the cost of shipping would be more than the price charged.
Just another price mistake...
Worst case they ship a $5 meter, when you claim a dispute they will return the money, that way they loose less than actually fullfilling the order.
Dave. I bout a new Hantek Dso5102p on Ebay For $20.00 on Jun 8th. Frome someone in Hong Kong. Did you buy this clibraitor at about that time or just after? If so I think I know the story!
That PIC processor includes a LCD driver, and the multimeter IC has its LCD driver.
Is it a real 2 in 1 in that the LCD is driven by 2 different chips depending on the mode? That would mean the PIC chip firmware is limited to measuring and sourcing the 0-20V, 0-24mA. It is probably fairly simple firmware. You could change the PIC firmware without having to know how the multimeter chip works.
"Dear Friend, we solly to all VEEblog member for big mitsake in this meter.
We upgrade to Widnows 10 and online shop is go north and much data lost
But good news we have plenty more new meter coming in our store,
some is orange color like Fluke with biggest display, why is spend more?
Quote this number on next buy for good dicsount: 0055666
Thank you for understand
The BS Team at Brightest Star Electronic
PS: our computer is dual boot with Win 7 and Win 10 now, so maybe now is no more problem"
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Giggles aside folks, I doubt many of you will see these meters anytime before 3019,
so try and get your dough back asap,
and avoid messing with sellers Feedback at Ebay,
the sellers will get very protective, and well, think about that for a minute,
some/all may scuttle their webshops and start over, and you will lose money,
and perhaps on other unrelated gear on order with them too, and their 'affiliated' stores
i.e. let it slide this one time, I doubt it will happen again any time soon
just sayin.. :)
-snip-
Giggles aside folks, I doubt many of you will see these meters anytime before 3019,
so try and get your dough back asap,
and avoid messing with sellers Feedback at Ebay,
the sellers will get very protective, and well, think about that for a minute,
some/all may scuttle their webshops and start over, and you will lose money,
and perhaps on other unrelated gear on order with them too, and their 'affiliated' stores
i.e. let it slide this one time, I doubt it will happen again any time soon
just sayin.. :)
and avoid messing with sellers Feedback at Ebay,
the sellers will get very protective, and well, think about that for a minute,
some/all may scuttle their webshops and start over, and you will lose money,
Good day and thanks for getting back to us. I understand that but we are just giving this option to cancel the order because for sure the seller will not ship it if they cannot get the additional payment. Since you really wanted to get the item, we suggest you to try and negotiate with the seller how you both wanted this order to be since you wanted them to honor what they posted as the price on the product and the seller wants you to pay for additional.
If you will be paying for additional fees make sure to have the transaction through DHgate. To do this, kindly ask your seller to place a new listing for an "item" which is equivalent to your additional charges. Once your seller placed the listing for this "item", kindly pay for it and the payment will be forwarded to your seller. That way, if there is still some issue with regards to this additional charge, we can still assist you in resolving it for you.
Rest assured that everything is dealt with utmost urgency and we appreciate your trust in DHgate.com. Should you have any other concerns please do not hesitate to contact us.
Regards,
Daffy
Customer Service Center
DHgate.com
So looks like they are discontinued. This might be the reason why they are sold so cheap. It was probably remainder of stock, unsupported by the manufacturer, and with some flaws, so they got it cheap. This could explain as well why the label was scraped off, because the original company didn't want to get a bad reputation for something that doesn't work perfectly. The expensive eBay shops probably bought it when it was still in production and more expensive.Probably, my test unit I think had the AMOS label in the spot these are scratched off. The one I tested had a flaw in the protection and never clamped down. It actually measured 2.3kV DC before the chip had an internal short and the meter failed after that. It came with a ton of solder balls I removed before testing it and even in 2016 I was told it’s a pre-production model and this would be fixed. One button didn’t work, the USB part also didn’t work, and finicky switch and did not meet the claimed specs on half the functions.
The best I found at the time were from "Manbo life Store".Same here. I shall be interested in your experience.
I have 2 still waiting for shipment. No activity and no communication since placing the order.
The best I found at the time were from "Manbo life Store".Same here. I shall be interested in your experience.
I have 2 still waiting for shipment. No activity and no communication since placing the order.
I hope Dave will appreciate the knife in Police's logo.
That looks like a bayonet for AK-47.
Same here too.
My guess is nothing is going to happen, in 7 days when the shipping time frame expires it will auto refund me.
I know some people have had their meters ship from that store, but i suspect those were the last of what the store actually had in stock.
Did they have any in stock? I hadn't heard about dropshipping before this. Apparently stores can hold no stock at all and just acquire what they need as orders arrive.
The current celebrations in China do complicate things a bit since I don't know the normal Aliexpress shipping time under normal circumstances.
I had no idea Italy had a great firewall ....For what I know, Communications Police or Customs may signal a site who is offending the law to a Prosecutor's office, who can order to block (obscure) the site to all Italians ISP's by redirecting the site's DNS to this page.
From DHgate Customer Service. What part of this is not a refund case or am I going to 'negotiate' a higher price don't they understand :palm: Just realized there is no way to reply to this message seems case closed :wtf:QuoteGood day and thanks for getting back to us. I understand that but we are just giving this option to cancel the order because for sure the seller will not ship it if they cannot get the additional payment. Since you really wanted to get the item, we suggest you to try and negotiate with the seller how you both wanted this order to be since you wanted them to honor what they posted as the price on the product and the seller wants you to pay for additional.
If you will be paying for additional fees make sure to have the transaction through DHgate. To do this, kindly ask your seller to place a new listing for an "item" which is equivalent to your additional charges. Once your seller placed the listing for this "item", kindly pay for it and the payment will be forwarded to your seller. That way, if there is still some issue with regards to this additional charge, we can still assist you in resolving it for you.
Rest assured that everything is dealt with utmost urgency and we appreciate your trust in DHgate.com. Should you have any other concerns please do not hesitate to contact us.
Regards,
Daffy
Customer Service Center
DHgate.com
If returned due to timeout no feedback aloweed
Just checked in on my Sept 26 order from “House of Happiness” on AliEx; not shipped.The meters ordered on the 26th had only 4 days shipping set and they shipped on the 29th. Tracking seems to show parcels moving through the mail system. The ones ordered on the 27th and later had the shipping time to extend past October the 7th, so hopefully, the meters will ship on the 8th. I have another item on order and it is exactly the same. The sellers or maybe AliExpress deliberately extended the shipping period because of the holidays.
. Next big sale will be the November 11th, a crazy shopping festival in China.Yep, only crazy people would shop for anything from China on that day .
Yep, only crazy people would shop for anything from China on that day .I feel like 11/11 is even bigger scam than amazon prime day. Every year I try to see if there are any actual deals, and I'm coming up short.
Sorry could not resist :-DD
Yeah, if you snapshot prices prior to that, you may find that goods got 50% 'discount' but not actual price decrease.Yep, only crazy people would shop for anything from China on that day .I feel like 11/11 is even bigger scam than amazon prime day. Every year I try to see if there are any actual deals, and I'm coming up short.
Sorry could not resist :-DD
hi friend
hope you are well .
kind reminder the item you ordered is still under producing ,
would you like change to attached new style ?
it's really nice and hot selling , hope you like it .
thanks , we waiting for your feedback .
the following attachments:QuoteSent Dhgate a notice with some details asking them to get involved so see what comes back tomorrow.
Have sent message to DHgate customer service.
Stating that seller changed mind after the sale and wants much more money now to ship the product, breach of sales contract.
Not expecting anything more than a refund.
Nothing personal about these sellers, but they need to learn and pay consequences for dishonest behavior.
What is the advice on extending the Aliexpress awaiting shipment processing time? What happens if it runs out and I don't extend?
I asked mainly because of the holiday celebration week in China at tha moment. I've already been told 10 days is unusually long for Aliexpress processing time but I didn't know what to expect. I order very occasionally from Aliexpress.
After three days the money has been taken from my Visa so whether that is simply unconnected to delivery and happens automatically I don't know.
At the moment I don't have the same reasons to doubt I'll ever get it that the DHgate people do.
Just checked in on my Sept 26 order from “House of Happiness” on AliEx; not shipped.
Given the complication of the holiday til Oct 7, I decided to NOT let them off the hook and extended the processing time 10 days; then messaged them to please contact me ASAP if they cannot fulfill this order and to please note payment for expedited shipping.
We’ll see what happens. :o
mnem
Hopefully I’ll have touched down somewhere by then...
could this be a large scale scam?
Financially, the paid money is no biggie personally, and it will get returned eventually should they're not honoring the transaction by not shipping it.
But the plan is, I will extend the processing time, but only once.
If they keep doing that not shipping it at the 1st extended time, then I'll let the system fall back and process the refund.
... ... ...
Wish many will do the same.
Maybe the shop that served Dave recognized who he is just before shipping.
We still have to see if the various stores ship the meters. The ones I ordered Friday will expire if they are not shipped by Tuesday and I will just get my money refunded instead of receiving a meter.
Has anyone had any of the meters ordered since Dave mentioned them marked as "Shipped" yet?
(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/test-equipment-anonymous-(tea)-group-therapy-thread/?action=dlattach;attach=843688;image)
Mine ordered at 27th still in processing, and will expire in 9days 11hours as I typed now, lets wait & see. :P
My orders from both stores I ordered from have shipped on the 5th and 6th of October. This was updated today by AliExpress. I ordered a couple of hours before before the video was published from 'My CoZy Life Store' and 'Hey, Living Store'.Yes, I now also see shipped on 6th October for my one meter order at Manbo life store.
I'm in Montana, any chance I could order one and have it shipped to you? Can't seem to help myself with the fever of wanting one of these, figured I would employ some shameless scheme. I could paypal you the shipping cost and time for your trouble, if you could send it to me after I ordered it? Sorry to be unorthodox, it seems to be my normal mode.
Where would you order one? Everyone's out of stockI think he wants someone to ship him theirs. A "scheme" just as described.
:scared: WARNING WILL ROBINSON :scared:
I got the following message from the DHGATE sellerCode: [Select]hi friendthe following attachments:
hope you are well .
kind reminder the item you ordered is still under producing ,
would you like change to attached new style ?
it's really nice and hot selling , hope you like it .
thanks , we waiting for your feedback .
Yes, I now also see shipped on 6th October for my one meter order at Manbo life store.
My two meters were dispatched on the 6th from My Cozy Life Store. Let's see if the gamble pays off.Buying from Aliexpress should not be seen as a gamble. Several suppliers had this meter at a comparable price.
And also it is not clear that anyone has got yet one except for Dave.
"Hello again freind, we are still await for sky blue paint shipment to process the order meter
big problem with water pirates here, if catch must pay percent or stock is steal, delivery junk is sinked
and crew sold for slave job or other things
we not know status yet but pray for positive
If not happy we give refund you money back or upgrade to orange color meter with bigger display than Fluuke :-DMM
plus include new tecnology no oxygen test cables
Thank you for understand
Brightest Star Electronic"
Dear friends
very sorry
The products you ordered are not in stock for now.
Can we give you a refund?
Thank you
I have 3 packages on the way, and I just have to hope I haven't been upgraded to the orange meter that is better then Fluke. No messages, so they have probably sent the same package that you got.And also it is not clear that anyone has got yet one except for Dave.
That would be interesting. I suspected the stock numbers might not have been real, but dozens of people ordered one before the video was released, so I'm guessing they'd still be getting one.
Anyone?
"Hello again freind, we are still await for sky blue paint shipment to process the order meter
big problem with water pirates here, if catch must pay percent or stock is steal, delivery junk is sinked
and crew sold for slave job or other things
we not know status yet but pray for positive
If not happy we give refund you money back or upgrade to orange color meter with bigger display than Fluuke :-DMM
plus include new tecnology no oxygen test cables
Thank you for understand
Brightest Star Electronic"
That reply has gotta win some sort of award!
Today @ dhgateQuoteDear friends
very sorry
The products you ordered are not in stock for now.
Can we give you a refund?
Thank you
and at the same time give or take and note the non shipping details. :palm:
(Attachment Link)
I smell :bullshit: seems a magic number has now been added.......
(Attachment Link)
"Hello again freind, we are still await for sky blue paint shipment to process the order meter
big problem with water pirates here, if catch must pay percent or stock is steal, delivery junk is sinked
and crew sold for slave job or other things
we not know status yet but pray for positive
If not happy we give refund you money back or upgrade to orange color meter with bigger display than Fluuke :-DMM
plus include new tecnology no oxygen test cables
Thank you for understand
Brightest Star Electronic"
That reply has gotta win some sort of award!
Each to its own. Until the meter arrives and in working condition, I treat this as a gamble. Aliexpress or eBay.My two meters were dispatched on the 6th from My Cozy Life Store. Let's see if the gamble pays off.Buying from Aliexpress should not be seen as a gamble. Several suppliers had this meter at a comparable price.
I ordered from 2 sellers on 27/09. I've had no communications with either of them.
My Cozy Life meter was sent 06/10 by EMS with tracking (working). The Aliexpress timeout is 59 days.
Shenzhen SuperDeal Technology Co. meter was sent 06/10 by ePacket with a tracking number (not working yet). The timeout on that one is only 26 days.
Oh, interesting. That's about exactly the date I ordered mine from Cozy Life. It hasn't shipped yet.
My order with My Cozy Life Store is still in the queue, but good to know that they're actually shipping again. I also extended the processing time limit.
tonethiny 2019-10-08 15:13
Dear friends
very sorry
We are the number for the freight forwarder.
Our products are now out of stock.
Can we help you with a refund?
Thank you
I cannot believe it. I got one of my meters. :clap:The battery connection is the problem. If the tabs from the battery are not bent at the right angle, they can jam on the board before the power pads on the board and the meter never gets power.
It is great except for the fact it doesn't work at all right now.
So yes, they are alpha-quality products. Something similar to the Surpeer AV4 I hot a few months back (and has numerous inoperative functions).I cannot believe it. I got one of my meters. :clap:The battery connection is the problem. If the tabs from the battery are not bent at the right angle, they can jam on the board before the power pads on the board and the meter never gets power.
It is great except for the fact it doesn't work at all right now.
Looks like you want the tabs bent so there it is 32mm from the end of the tab and the outside of the case. Any less and the tab may miss the power pads on the PSC. Much more then that and they may never touch the pcb. I also deburred the edges of the battery tabs - they are pretty rough.
I am beginning to suspect that these meters are all manufacturer's rejects. I have it powered up, but I still haven't tested most of the functions - cannot even get connectors in the sockets. The meter sockets are the worse I have ever seen, and on mine, it is really hard to bend them into a shape that will allow a 4mm banana plug into the sockets. My 24V output was 23.2V and I couldn't vary this or get the 24mA current out. The fact that Dave's meter was calibrated and some others seem to be completely uncalibrated looks like a rejection in manufacturing testing. Might wait until I get a second meter before I waste too much time on this first one.
I am beginning to suspect that these meters are all manufacturer's rejects. I have it powered up, but I still haven't tested most of the functions - cannot even get connectors in the sockets. The meter sockets are the worse I have ever seen, and on mine, it is really hard to bend them into a shape that will allow a 4mm banana plug into the sockets. My 24V output was 23.2V and I couldn't vary this or get the 24mA current out. The fact that Dave's meter was calibrated and some others seem to be completely uncalibrated looks like a rejection in manufacturing testing. Might wait until I get a second meter before I waste too much time on this first one.
I got the reference voltage and current out working after I managed to find a connector that would fit and it was quite accurate. 10V was within 0.02%. I now realise that the 24V output has no accuracy rating so the 23.2 is irrelevant. It is just a source of around 24V. It may be settable by one of the potentiometers on the board.
Richard, you misquoted me. I haven't yet received mine. :-DDQuoteI am beginning to suspect that these meters are all manufacturer's rejects. I have it powered up,I got the reference voltage and current out working after I managed to find a connector that would fit and it was quite accurate. 10V was within 0.02%. I now realise that the 24V output has no accuracy rating so the 23.2 is irrelevant. It is just a source of around 24V. It may be settable by one of the potentiometers on the board.
Mmmm Someone else did it ::) The pile of lies is growing to cover their backsides and save them a penalty. Not sent yesterday then I get a tracking number showing transit through the postal system and today EXTREME :bullshit: to again get me to ask for a refund......Quotetonethiny 2019-10-08 15:13
Dear friends
very sorry
We are the number for the freight forwarder.
Our products are now out of stock.
Can we help you with a refund?
Thank you
Is this guy on DhGate admitting to falsely shipping an item?
See what dhgate says. I suspect I'll never order anything from there
Is this guy on DhGate admitting to falsely shipping an item?
Is this guy on DhGate admitting to falsely shipping an item?He's probably just doing what he always does: getting a shipping/tracking number, maybe preparing the box, so he can ship quickly when his supplier delivers the goods. These stores don't have stock for most items.
Is this guy on DhGate admitting to falsely shipping an item?He's probably just doing what he always does: getting a shipping/tracking number, maybe preparing the box, so he can ship quickly when his supplier delivers the goods. These stores don't have stock for most items.
In this case, there's no supply anymore, so he's stuck with the tracking numbers and no product. Just like you.
tonethiny 2019-10-09 17:25
Dear friends
very sorry
We have found a lot of homes
They all said that this product is out of stock now.
Ali and Taobao are also out of stock
We can only give you a refund now.
May I?
Please understand
Thank you
Is this guy on DhGate admitting to falsely shipping an item?He's probably just doing what he always does: getting a shipping/tracking number, maybe preparing the box, so he can ship quickly when his supplier delivers the goods. These stores don't have stock for most items.
In this case, there's no supply anymore, so he's stuck with the tracking numbers and no product. Just like you.
That is not correct in my case as the supposed parcel shows progress through the postal system with three stops. This is clearly a case of fake tracking numbers provided.
Just had a quick look at the serial output of the meter. It is actually very well isolated, and so this meter is a cheap way of data logging.
It appears the Semico CS7721CN chip is outputting data at 2400 baud in packages of 12 to 16 bytes - I haven't put a logic analyser on it yet. The sample rate period is about 700 ms.
I haven't found any data yet for the 7721 chip, so if anyone can find it, it would help.
Here's my message (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-1248-insane-a-0-02-process-meter-for-$9-wtf/msg2714930/#msg2714930) where I linked the Fortune Semiconductor equivalent of the chip used in this instrument.If it is the same, that is great as Sigrok supports a number of Fortune 9721 multimeters like the Uni-T UT60E. I will probably have to look at the Silabs serial chip data to find out how to get X-OFF/X-ON working. If you just read the chip continuously, most of the time you just get the last 4 bytes in the data buffer that looks something like "0x61 0x67 0x33 0x0A"
Looks like the serial protocol is nothing like the Fortune 9721 chip unfortunately.Here's my message (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-1248-insane-a-0-02-process-meter-for-$9-wtf/msg2714930/#msg2714930) where I linked the Fortune Semiconductor equivalent of the chip used in this instrument.If it is the same, that is great as Sigrok supports a number of Fortune 9721 multimeters like the Uni-T UT60E. I will probably have to look at the Silabs serial chip data to find out how to get X-OFF/X-ON working. If you just read the chip continuously, most of the time you just get the last 4 bytes in the data buffer that looks something like "0x61 0x67 0x33 0x0A"
mine ends in 056YP for what it is worth.
Damn,
guess I was not lucky after all!!
I guess nothing to do ?
"Security inspection" :-DD
This really appears to be a hit an miss business... I must have been one of the first to place an order, still before the "big hype" on 26th of september and my order was listed "shipped" but the tracing information stayed more than ten days on "waiting for pick-up by the carrier" or similar. Today I received this information:
...
So good luck to the other "contenders" ;)
Is this guy on DhGate admitting to falsely shipping an item?
Mine ordered from Manbo life Store on 28 Sept is awaiting shipment. I extended the processing time by 10 days. I'm going to let the clock run down and take the refund. I no longer expect to receive one.
I suppose I'm thankful for not getting BS emails.
mine is differentIs this guy on DhGate admitting to falsely shipping an item?
Also from same seller on dhgate, two tracking numbers show up in order details. Last digits:
885CN
635YP
Do these match yours? Anyone else, did seller give the same tracking numbers to us all?
Mine ordered from Manbo life Store on 28 Sept is awaiting shipment. I extended the processing time by 10 days.I ordered one from the Manbo life store on the 28th and didn't extend shipping. They "shipped" it with about 4 hours remaining, but the tracking shows only that they have created logistics information - no sign of an actual package yet. I do not have high hopes for this meter.
I was wondering what step to take next. ^^^ That was one.
Seeing that you are taking that path, I was thinking I might try sending the seller a message along the lines of "I've waited for the holiday to end plus your normal shipping time and the items have not yet been shipped. I trust you will attend to this matter soon as I am very keen to get these units."
Does anyone know if this is a good idea, a bad idea - or just a waste of time?
If I do go this way, I will be interested to see what response I get, if any.
We'll see which of us got lucky, I guess, in the weeks to come.Mine ordered from Manbo life Store on 28 Sept is awaiting shipment. I extended the processing time by 10 days.I ordered one from the Manbo life store on the 28th and didn't extend shipping. They "shipped" it with about 4 hours remaining, but the tracking shows only that they have created logistics information - no sign of an actual package yet. I do not have high hopes for this meter.
Payment Confirmed
2019-09-29 09:58:49
Products Prepared
2019-10-09 14:55:40
Package Shipped Out
2019-10-11 08:56:49
Package in transit
Delivery date Estimated delivery date 2019-10-31
Order Tracking is not available to most countries, including the following when using regular post United States, Britain, Canada, Australia, Germany and France.
Tracking number: UC56_____34YP Logistics: YANWEN Delivered time: 7-24 days
2019-10-10 08:03:26 Last mile=> Destination country post, number UT40_____63CN
2019-10-10 06:03:26 Departed from Yanwen Facility
2019-10-10 03:20:25 Process completed in Yanwen Facility
2019-10-09 21:21:27 Picked up
Mine ordered from Manbo life Store on 28 Sept is awaiting shipment. I extended the processing time by 10 days. I'm going to let the clock run down and take the refund. I no longer expect to receive one.
I suppose I'm thankful for not getting BS emails.
I was wondering what step to take next. ^^^ That was one.
Seeing that you are taking that path, I was thinking I might try sending the seller a message along the lines of "I've waited for the holiday to end plus your normal shipping time and the items have not yet been shipped. I trust you will attend to this matter soon as I am very keen to get these units."
Does anyone know if this is a good idea, a bad idea - or just a waste of time?
If I do go this way, I will be interested to see what response I get, if any.
Doesn't match, mine ends in 352YPIs this guy on DhGate admitting to falsely shipping an item?
Also from same seller on dhgate, two tracking numbers show up in order details. Last digits:
885CN
635YP
Do these match yours? Anyone else, did seller give the same tracking numbers to us all?
This really appears to be a hit an miss business... I must have been one of the first to place an order, still before the "big hype" on 26th of september and my order was listed "shipped" but the tracing information stayed more than ten days on "waiting for pick-up by the carrier" or similar. Today I received this information:
...
So good luck to the other "contenders" ;)
Yeah no thats not fair, you were the first person to link the meter.
If my two show up (both in customs now), one is going to you. Or I will pay cost and shipping of anyone else willing to send one to you (closer to Germany).
Ordered another from Amazon just in case there is leftover stock.
My order was shipped yesterday. Ordered from "My Cozy Life Store" on September 26 (before the video). If something show up i'm going to be very surprise :)
My order was shipped yesterday. Ordered from "My Cozy Life Store" on September 26 (before the video). If something show up i'm going to be very surprise :)
Well it's not going to make it :-\
They all are about the same. Try to do anything with eBay. It is hopeless.
Hasn't left country of origin yet.Similar scenario when I look at Aliexpress alone, but https://m.17track.net (recommended by Aliexpress) shows the journey with a bit better detail. The package didn't leave the country but it actually hopped across two sites in mainland and arrived at Hong Kong, where it was put in a vessel towards US.
Similar scenario when I look at Aliexpress alone, but https://m.17track.net (recommended by Aliexpress) shows the journey with a bit better detail.
Manbo life store:
Dear friend,
sorry to make you wait so long, we just got the information from the logistics company and your parcel was lost,maybe there is something wrong with your address or other reason we don't know .Even though,we still apologize for that.we want to resend,but we have no stock now ,how about we refund you ?
refund:do you have PayPal account to get the money?
OR you can choose other items from us ,ok?
if you don't have paypal account,please contact us first.
which is better for you? we hope we can try our best to make you satisfied .
waiting for reply
nice day"
I want to call them out for their lies but I don't think it will help me in any way so I guess I should just go for the refund...?
If I didn't asked "My Cozy Life Store", it wouldn't be lost.You could take them up on their offer.
Since I didn't saw further information in tracking apart from " Waiting for pick up 2019-09-28 22:20:49 [GMT+8] ", on Friday I asked if they actually sent the meter or not.
They replied today:
"Dear buyer,
we are so sorry to tell you that we just got the information from the shipping company that your parcel was lost on the way .
we want to resend it for you ,but been told by warehouse the item just sold out .
In order to protect your right ,how about we refund to your paypal ?or would you like to choose other item you like in our store?
sorry for the trouble and waiting for your quickly reply,
nice day ."
I'm not sure if asking has anything to do with it. My shipment from Shenzhen SuperDeal Technology also got cancelled today, after supposedly having been shipped last week. I didn't have any contact with the seller. Clearly they just got a tracking number without every sending anything:Hmm... Mine from the same store hasn't been cancelled and is still ready for dispatch. Looking at the shipment time mine was a couple of minutes after yours, but by "ePacket" instead of "AliExpress Standard Shipping"
If I didn't asked "My Cozy Life Store", it wouldn't be lost.You could take them up on their offer.
Since I didn't saw further information in tracking apart from " Waiting for pick up 2019-09-28 22:20:49 [GMT+8] ", on Friday I asked if they actually sent the meter or not.
They replied today:
"Dear buyer,
we are so sorry to tell you that we just got the information from the shipping company that your parcel was lost on the way .
we want to resend it for you ,but been told by warehouse the item just sold out .
In order to protect your right ,how about we refund to your paypal ?or would you like to choose other item you like in our store?
sorry for the trouble and waiting for your quickly reply,
nice day ."
Like a IR camera for a phone: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32966214689.html (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32966214689.html)
A nice electric screwdriver: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000128261651.html (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000128261651.html)
19999 count Aneng Multimeter: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000106560953.html (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000106560953.html)
I am interested in seeing how you go. I have a meter from Cozy Life stuck in the "Logistics Created" mode - so they cannot even say it has been lost. I do have another ordered from Cozy Life on the 26th that has just passed Australian Customs, so I am not worried about this last one.
My order was shipped yesterday. Ordered from "My Cozy Life Store" on September 26 (before the video). If something show up i'm going to be very surprise :)
(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-1248-insane-a-0-02-process-meter-for-$9-wtf/?action=dlattach;attach=852936;image)
Well it's not going to make it :-\
I also ended up getting a message from the seller. I will probably take the refund.For me "My Cozy Life Store" cancelled order w/o notice. Funny mass shopping spree experiment :clap: :clap:
@jancumps, still think that Aliexpress is a gamble-free environment? :scared:Each to its own. Until the meter arrives and in working condition, I treat this as a gamble. Aliexpress or eBay.My two meters were dispatched on the 6th from My Cozy Life Store. Let's see if the gamble pays off.Buying from Aliexpress should not be seen as a gamble. Several suppliers had this meter at a comparable price.
OTOH, getting back the money is not a gamble due to the buyer protections provided.
My order with "Cozy Life Store" has not been cancelled yet, but I don't have high hopes ;) I also hasn't shipped yet.
Good info on them selling the same items at a higher price, that will definitely help with the complaint process ;)
Anyone lodged a complaint with DHGate? My seller is now insisting they shipped the item which I'm 99% sure is a lie. I'm going to wait until whatever they did send arrives though before I lodge a complaint.:wtf: They really think you're an idiot...
My seller has stopped being so friendly for anyone who fancies a laugh
I figure the intention was to bolster the item with some good reviews and it was therefore listed super-cheap. Then they would change the price but the reviews would still be attached to the item.Maybe someone who made The Fuzz was affiliated? [kidding obviously] Shops involved will get tons of bad press in the end. Unless they are hopeless idiots, it was not planned. I agree to either of two versions already mentioned - price typing error or greed that kicked-in after demand spike. Could be so that such price "changes" happen in this "market", we just noticed it for first time.
And then some dork found the item and made a huge fuzz of it on Ze Internetz and they got bum-rushed with orders over their national holidays :-DD Talk about bad timing!
I note there are still 9 stores that have them listed. All for > $200
There is a chance that Aimo (the manufacturer) took notice of unbranded meters that were sent out to customers and they recalled these units from "the warehouse". There is also a chance someone stole the units from Aimo and they either seized or asked "the warehouse" to seize the remaining units. All of this is speculation of course, but if the newer listings have the brand marked on the face of the meter, the brand may have put their finger to tap this.
...
The one in Cozy Life Store doesn't have the brand on the meter. It's literally the same listing, nothing changed but the price.
Item is off the shelf, maybe you want another shit? Otherwise cancel order *yourself*, doing so please choose "other reason".In short: morons! :-DD
...Exactly!
The one in Cozy Life Store doesn't have the brand on the meter. It's literally the same listing, nothing changed but the price.
This thing must have hit Russia before us, by about two or three weeks, tons of positive russian reviews (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000057162875.html):Right. They did communicate using forum (in russian), without releasing most watched EE video of the month. So to say: one man's loss is another man's gain ;)
"the device weighs almost a kilogram as in the description!!! Purchase is satisfied!!!"
"the device weighs almost a kilogram as in the description!!! Purchase is satisfied!!!"There are a couple of reasons for a lot of strange Russian comments.
The media is likely to be defective.
113.9 MByte OK (233344 sectors)
125.0 MByte DATA LOST (256128 sectors)
Arrived, both meters from the same warehouse/shipper, but purchased from different sellers. :DCongratulations! The calibration file your calibration file is the same as mine, so that can be chucked.
I didn't find anyway to adjust the output values but dcv is the highest pot. I suspect the output values are all about the micro and dac(+ref).I am in the same position but with "my cozy life store". I would let the shop off if it is due to overbooking, problem now is the shop is selling the same reject (with brand and model removed) at US$155.03 . I would want to leave a negative rating.
Arrived, both meters from the same warehouse/shipper, but purchased from different sellers. :D
On its way (it seems)...Possible explanation: customs officer do not believe declared 9$ price because webpage say ~200$ :D You may be asked to provide payment documents. Just educated guess.
Not clear to me what does "Clearance Constraint" means ?
Other explanation: customs officer found it was full of rocks.On its way (it seems)...Possible explanation: customs officer do not believe declared 9$ price because webpage say ~200$ :D You may be asked to provide payment documents. Just educated guess.
Not clear to me what does "Clearance Constraint" means ?
On its way (it seems)...Mine is also showing Clearance Constraint on Ali.
Not clear to me what does "Clearance Constraint" means ?
16 Oct 2019
04:01
China Post
Planned handed over to airline ， Planed flight number TRUCK-GA857-714， Planed departure time 23:30
14 Oct 2019
05:29
China Post
Departed Shenzhen GuoJiDaZongYouJianChuLi ZhongXin , Next stop Shenzhen international
14 Oct 2019
00:38
China Post
Shenzhen Shenzhen GuoJiDaZongYouJianChuLiZhongXin received , The postman :WBLuLiangLiang
Shenzhen
On its way (it seems)...Don't get your hopes up, as long as it has not departed the country of origin the package might be a virtual number tossed around.
Not clear to me what does "Clearance Constraint" means ?
Parcel Status: Shipment cancelled by sellerWell it was too good to be true.
My order was shipped yesterday. Ordered from "My Cozy Life Store" on September 26 (before the video). If something show up i'm going to be very surprise :)
(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-1248-insane-a-0-02-process-meter-for-$9-wtf/?action=dlattach;attach=852936;image)
Well it's not going to make it :-\
I also ended up getting a message from the seller. I will probably take the refund.
(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-1248-insane-a-0-02-process-meter-for-$9-wtf/?action=dlattach;attach=854914;image)
Maybe also send a link to this thread to AliExpress customer protection department? If they take their job serious, this should result in some real trouble for several stores listed there.
Considering the now raised prices for the apparently "reappeared" stock: Since virtually all the instruments shipped seem to be flawed in some way and require maintenance, and may or may not be repairable, the previous price reflected their actual value. If someone really spends the money the stores are asking now, he will be pretty much disappointed of what he receives. Meaning MORE TROUBLE for the stores... :P
I feel somewhat bad for the sellers. We are all sitting here with plenty of time and disposable income on our hands. They are trying to make a living shipping 100 packages a day for $1 a box. So I think if one doesn't get this unreasonably good deal, there is no reason to complain.
Congratz :clap:
Which sellers (shop names) are they ? And date of purchase ?
I am seeing a pattern here with a few sellers
they offered it cheap as others...and sold some.
They discovered it was worth more then they were selling it for and up the price on their store.
tried to get as many people to cancel the existing orders, except some other item in exchange so they can sell more at a higher price, or even in once case try to get them to pay more.
Vout set - Vout actual
10 9.999V
9 8.998
5 4.994
1 0.991
mA set - mA actual
0 1.9uA
5u 7.5uA
50u 52.8uA
500u 503uA
10m 9.997mA
mV set - mV actual
0 -0.275mV
1 0.707mV
10 9.742mV
100 100.072mV
Power consumption: 0.13W, backlight on 0.24W (all ranges/all settings/USB on/off doesnt matter).
Backlight: shuts off automatically, so on the Vout setting it cannot be turned back on and you have to switch back to another setting.
Diode test: 1.65V output
Cap test: ~0.86V
Max 10V scale reading: 10.999V, hard clamps the input at 11.9V (so careful with this one)
24V output: 27mA current into short
The fact that they don't want to cancel the transaction and provided false tracking information is the reason why I’m going to complain. They should have cancelled the order when they realized they were not in measure to provide the product.
Congratz :clap:
Which sellers (shop names) are they ? And date of purchase ?
House of happiness Store - Sep 26 17:00
My Cozy Life Store - Sep 26 15:00
...In 1 year dealing with Aliexpress, the 11 deals I made, I'd say 1/3 ended with something went wrong...I was wondering if the Ali sellers are allocating stock on the basis of a buyers existing rep? Is there some kind of Chinese "Social Credit" score involved that sellers can see?
My two units from Manbo life Store are still showing as awaiting shipment. I just sent the message I mentioned earlier: "I've waited for the holiday to end plus your normal shipping time and the items have not yet been shipped. I trust you will attend to this matter soon as I am very keen to get these units."
There is 1 day 10 hours left on the processing time.
I will be curious as to what response I will get, if any.
Congratz :clap:
Which sellers (shop names) are they ? And date of purchase ?
House of happiness Store - Sep 26 17:00
My Cozy Life Store - Sep 26 15:00
But i would be interested to know if their units do actually ship.
They refused to cancel and told me to change the reason. Now they show 1 meter in stock.
Dear customer,
Sorry. The item is off shelf now and we can not send it to you. In order not to delay your time, how about change another item? Or if you do not want other items, could you please choose the "other reason" to cancel the order?
Hope your understanding!
Best regards.
Thanks, I guess timing was really critical, both mine from House of happiness Store bought on Sep 27th, although the current status is shipped, but still no tracking, chances of shipment failing still possibleWelcome to the House of Unhappy Customers store,
I just discovered one tracking site that actually has a little more info at least shows destination
It's getting close to 3 weeks and my 2 calibrators haven't left China yet. At this rate I might get them next summer, unless pirates get them first. 8)
I tried to cancel my order from Manbo life store, and I chose the reason "products out of stock". They refused to cancel and told me to change the reason. Now they show 1 meter in stock. :palm:I just queried Manbo about my meter meter and they replied with the sad story about how logistics had lost my meter. I did look to see whether their store had anything else I wanted and couldn't find a single thing. They want to refund via PayPal, and I refused. They are trying to avoid AliExpress seeing a huge number of fake shipping/fake lost item stories.
I am lucky - I ordered 4 meters and will get 3...
I've still got 2days left on the 10 day extension and still awaiting shipment. I've pretty well given up on ever receiving them(*). But my question is, is there any pros/cons to just cancelling the order? Mainly in respect of getting the refund from Aliexpress.
Since I haven't been BS'd I don't habour grudges against the seller Manbo Life store.
(*) TBH my initial enthusiasm for a bargain has waned considerably inview of some comments seen. Notwithstanding Dave's review.
Are they selling any at that price? The maximum I could imagine going myself for an unbranded meter like this is $50 if I was desperate.
I am lucky - I ordered 4 meters and will get 3...
Since they are listed for at least $150 now, and there is all this fuss about them, I'd say flip them for $100 each.
Dear seller,
I am disappointed that you are not honest to me, in fact I know that my parcel never left your office.
So I will not accept a refund until I can leave a negative feedback for your store.
I could change my mind if you send me my order or give me an honest reason why you are not sending me my items that I bought and payed for.
Apparently the "Cozy Life" sent me a message on the 12th. I wonder how I could have missed it, I was checking for messages, like, every other minute over the last few days :-DQuoteDear customer,
Sorry. The item is off shelf now and we can not send it to you. In order not to delay your time, how about change another item? Or if you do not want other items, could you please choose the "other reason" to cancel the order?
Hope your understanding!
Best regards.
This is while the shop's inventory shows two items in stock :-)
My reply was that "out of stock" is obviously not true and that I expect shipment of my purchase soon ;)
Apparently the "Cozy Life" sent me a message on the 12th. I wonder how I could have missed it, I was checking for messages, like, every other minute over the last few days :-DQuoteDear customer,
Sorry. The item is off shelf now and we can not send it to you. In order not to delay your time, how about change another item? Or if you do not want other items, could you please choose the "other reason" to cancel the order?
Hope your understanding!
Best regards.
This is while the shop's inventory shows two items in stock :-)
My reply was that "out of stock" is obviously not true and that I expect shipment of my purchase soon ;)
Ahaha :) Now the item shows as shipped! I'm pretty sure it will be stuck in customs or they will cancel the shipment in a bit :-)
I have got two meters from Cozy Life and one was sent EMS. The other was sent by DPD. I have no idea what DPD is, but it is incredible - it only took one week to get delivered to a regional PO in Australia. Australia Post is lucky to take 4 days! Cozy Life definitely had real stock. If they say they shipped it by EMS, it is very possible you will get it.
Ahaha :) Now the item shows as shipped! I'm pretty sure it will be stuck in customs or they will cancel the shipment in a bit :-)
Ah well. Noticed they chose EMS and not Aliexpress standard shipping. They're still trying to get out of it clean. I'm pretty sure they faked the shipment, as the shipping deadline was closing in and it's their only way of keeping Aliexpress out of it while they still have hope. The next deadline is "Delivery". I'll probably keep them simmering on small heat for a while now.
I will fight to help them learn to be honest, and work with honest behavior, not a dodgy seller creating lies, like quality problems, or lost in the parcel, things that do not happen without at least the tracking be running.
I have got two meters from Cozy Life and one was sent EMS. The other was sent by DPD. I have no idea what DPD is, but it is incredible - it only took one week to get delivered to a regional PO in Australia. Australia Post is lucky to take 4 days! Cozy Life definitely had real stock. If they say they shipped it by EMS, it is very possible you will get it.
Much solly again for this more bad luck
Yours sincerely,
Pinn Oh Kio
Team Leader
BS Team at Brightest Star Electronic
Brumby, at least they don't seem to have lied to you.
I have got two meters from Cozy Life and one was sent EMS. The other was sent by DPD. I have no idea what DPD is, but it is incredible - it only took one week to get delivered to a regional PO in Australia. Australia Post is lucky to take 4 days! Cozy Life definitely had real stock. If they say they shipped it by EMS, it is very possible you will get it.
Ahaha :) Now the item shows as shipped! I'm pretty sure it will be stuck in customs or they will cancel the shipment in a bit :-)
Ah well. Noticed they chose EMS and not Aliexpress standard shipping. They're still trying to get out of it clean. I'm pretty sure they faked the shipment, as the shipping deadline was closing in and it's their only way of keeping Aliexpress out of it while they still have hope. The next deadline is "Delivery". I'll probably keep them simmering on small heat for a while now.
Aliexpress has closed the dispute and refunded me.
However the $ has decreased vs the euro so i got €0,57 less back >:(
So they earned on this farce and I still can not give a bad feedback score to these fake sellers.
This really s*cks, I am going skip using aliexpress.
If I order again in the future, will the price be the same?... still has not had a response.
Aliexpress has closed the dispute and refunded me.
However the $ has decreased vs the euro so i got €0,57 less back >:(
So they earned on this farce and I still can not give a bad feedback score to these fake sellers.
This really s*cks, I am going skip using aliexpress.
That's pretty typical, refunds not including the transaction fee.
Paypal do that too.
Still wrong, but expected.
Mine is showing as inbound, tracking even works with Australia post!
Another update after post #408. My items are apparently moving again and they are marked as in transit after being under constraint. Maybe at the airport now but not necessarily on the plane yet, but on paper at least, closer to leaving China. At this point, what could possibly go wrong! ???
Dear buyer,
we are so sorry to tell you that we just got the information from the shipping company that your parcel was lost on the way .
we want to resend it for you ,but been told by warehouse the item just sold out .
In order to protect your right ,how about we refund to your paypal ?or would you like to choose other item you like in our store?
sorry for the trouble and waiting for your quickly reply,
nice day .
Here's another lie from My Cozy Life:QuoteDear buyer,
we are so sorry to tell you that we just got the information from the shipping company that your parcel was lost on the way .
we want to resend it for you ,but been told by warehouse the item just sold out .
In order to protect your right ,how about we refund to your paypal ?or would you like to choose other item you like in our store?
sorry for the trouble and waiting for your quickly reply,
nice day .
Here's another lie from My Cozy Life:QuoteDear buyer,
we are so sorry to tell you that we just got the information from the shipping company that your parcel was lost on the way .
we want to resend it for you ,but been told by warehouse the item just sold out .
In order to protect your right ,how about we refund to your paypal ?or would you like to choose other item you like in our store?
sorry for the trouble and waiting for your quickly reply,
nice day .
The version I got:
Dear buyer,
sorry .we just got the information the parcel will been returned to us due to Crucial Defectives of the elements and function .
we need to return all of these items back to theirs factory for a Security Inspection until the issue solved.
in order to protect your right ,could you please tell us your paypal to get the refund back
or would you like to choose other item as replace in our store ?
sorry for the trouble again and waiting for quickly reply ,
nice day
If I order again in the future, will the price be the same?
And it's delivered. To Katherine. In the Northern Territory. While I live in Adelaide, South Australia...
Rang Aussie post, they believe it's a fake tracking number and I should ask for a refund....
Here's another lie from My Cozy Life:QuoteDear buyer,
we are so sorry to tell you that we just got the information from the shipping company that your parcel was lost on the way .
we want to resend it for you ,but been told by warehouse the item just sold out .
In order to protect your right ,how about we refund to your paypal ?or would you like to choose other item you like in our store?
sorry for the trouble and waiting for your quickly reply,
nice day .
Yep I just got the same, (as in identical) reply from My Cosy Life. It was worth a try to buy the meter, but its a refund for me :--
Another update after post #408.
My items are apparently moving again and they are marked as in transit after being under constraint.
Maybe at the airport now but not necessarily on the plane yet, but on paper at least, closer to leaving China.
At this point, what could possibly go wrong!? ???
Under no situation should you cancel a dispute with Ali as in most cases you only are allowed to file a single dispute.
Your experiences here are typical - vendors will cajole and beg you not to report their shady actions to Ali. They'll ask to PayPal you, they'll file fake tracking numbers w/ Ali to make it look like they've shipped things, and will drag on the dispute process as long as possible, all while attempting to convince you to drop the dispute.
Don't fall for it. The dispute process can take weeks, but I've never had Ali fail to take my side so long as I stick to the process. Ignore everything the vendor says as they are in damage control mode and will not deal honestly with you.
Those who got the fob off messages from My Cozy Life can count yourselves lucky. They have clearly ripped me off, and I'm not sure how they wangled it. Apparently they have proof of delivery, despite the parcel being out for delivery on Sunday when the posties don't work, and then today they have proof of delivery (or "It's already cast") despite me being in all day today. The Royal Mail have no evidence of this parcel either.
The POD time and date is 23/10 at 02:20 - Shenzhen is 7 hours ahead of the UK, so that's 22/10 19:20 local time. It was pitch black out. Guess what? the posties don't work late in the evening either.
AliExpress tracking hasn't been updated with this proof of delivery yet, so its status is still that its in China despite the so called tracking showing it out for delivery on Sunday.
Those who got the fob off messages from My Cozy Life can count yourselves lucky.
The second column in the EMS website tracking is the country in Chinese. In my case this does translate to The Netherlands.
Also, why does it lose location information after leaving HK. It should say what country/city its in after that point, at least it does for canada.
Yep I just got the same, (as in identical) reply from My Cosy Life. It was worth a try to buy the meter, but its a refund for me :--
Did you actually get money? In my case when noticed that I want this nonsense to end now with refund, "Cozy" started stalling. They say that servers are under maintenance and they can process my refund only in two weeks or so :bullshit:
I wonder how this fake tracking resulting in a 'Proof Of Delivery' works. Looks like some hack job, or this is not the official EMS website.
The POD time and date is 23/10 at 02:20 - Shenzhen is 7 hours ahead of the UK, so that's 22/10 19:20 local time. It was pitch black out. Guess what? the posties don't work late in the evening either.
AliExpress tracking hasn't been updated with this proof of delivery yet, so its status is still that its in China despite the so called tracking showing it out for delivery on Sunday.
Typically they use a tracking number for another shipment, or, they might just ship you an empty box or an envelope. anything to get a tracking number and proof of delivery.
I wonder how this fake tracking resulting in a 'Proof Of Delivery' works.
The version I got:
Dear buyer,
sorry .we just got the information the parcel will been returned to us due to Crucial Defectives of the elements and function .
we need to return all of these items back to theirs factory for a Security Inspection until the issue solved.
in order to protect your right ,could you please tell us your paypal to get the refund back
or would you like to choose other item as replace in our store ?
sorry for the trouble again and waiting for quickly reply ,
nice day
Dear buyer,
sorry .we just got the information the parcel will been returned to us due to Crucial Defectives of the elements and function
we need to return all of these items back to theirs factory for a Security Inspection until the issue solved...
and also the right to comment on sellers feedback.How ? :-//
It’s possible that Ali caches the calculation and feedback for some period of time for performance reasons. (I’m guessing Ali’s site is optimized to handle a little more traffic and prioritize that over up to the instant discussion as might be typical for a forum.)
Also possible that there’s a review process for feedback (this is the case at Amazon for sure and I think for google reviews as well).
Give it until end of week before concluding it’s rigged.
Chinese seller:
1- can't deliver (warehouse out of stock, maybe warehouse also overstated stock)
2- tries to keep customer and market platform happy
3- enters tracking ID of another delivery to simulate normal processing (meant for the platform)
4- asks customer to choose some other product and also offers refund via PayPal (invisible to platform)
5- platform sees standard processing and customer gets refund or other product
6- no harm done and not losing face
7- no minus points for the social score?
Hrm, that looks suspiciously familiar, and while I was composing the message the tracking was updated to delivered. Which of course it hasn't been.Does yours track on Australia Posts website? Mine still doesn't show on Royal Mails. Normally international tracked post will track on your postal systems website after it gets into the country. I've never had a problem with this before.
A clash of cultures ;)
Westener about Chinese seller:
- sells product not in stock
- lists tracking ID for other delivery (must be fraud)
- lies about product not being in stock
- offers other product or refund via PayPal preventing negative feedback (yeah, scammer)
- tries to gain a few cents by miscalculating PayPal fees (200% sure he's a dirty little scammer)
Chinese seller:
- can't deliver (warehouse out of stock, maybe warehouse also overstated stock)
- tries to keep customer and market platform happy
- enters tracking ID of another delivery to simulate normal processing (meant for the platform)
- asks customer to choose some other product and also offers refund via PayPal (invisible to platform)
- platform sees standard processing and customer gets refund or other product
- no harm done and not losing face
- no minus points for the social score?
Dear friend,
sorry to make you wait so long, we just got the information from the logistics company and your parcel was lost,maybe there is something wrong with your address or other reason we don't know .Even though,we still apologize for that.we want to resend,but we have no stock now ,how about we refund you ?
refund:do you have PayPal account to get the money?
OR you can choose other items from us ,ok?
if you don't have paypal account,please contact us first.
which is better for you? we hope we can try our best to make you satisfied .
waiting for reply
nice day"
My reply ...
I'm expecting twice the compensation value, take it of leave it.
I got the "failed security check" BS reason the the shipment was cancelled. They had listed AliExpress Standard Shipping, so when I opened a dispute with AliExpress, it was decided in my favor within 5 minutes. I had my refund credited (I paid with PayPal) in less than an hour....For some reason I can’t choose PayPal when purchasing at AliExpress. They give a decent number of options here, but for Belgian customers seem to exclude PP.
For some reason I can’t choose PayPal when purchasing at AliExpress. They give a decent number of options here, but for Belgian customers seem to exclude PP.AliExpress used to offer PayPal, but PayPal became an eBay subsidary 2002 to 2014. AliExpress is eBay's biggest competitor, and eBay decided to ban AliExpress from using PayPal.
For some reason I can’t choose PayPal when purchasing at AliExpress. They give a decent number of options here, but for Belgian customers seem to exclude PP.AliExpress used to offer PayPal, but PayPal became an eBay subsidary 2002 to 2014. AliExpress is eBay's biggest competitor, and eBay decided to ban AliExpress from using PayPal.
I do not know if AliExpress could go back to PayPal now if it wanted to, but they had to develop their own alternatives and perhaps they do not want to let PayPal back in. eBay still has a very close contractual relationship to PayPal and that expires in 2020. After this, eBay will still support PayPal, but eBay will cease to give PayPal preference over other credit cards, and PayPal will no longer process credit card purchases for eBay.
It does look like there is limited support for PayPal on AliExpress, although I do not see it available in Australia buying from Chinese suppliers.For some reason I can’t choose PayPal when purchasing at AliExpress. They give a decent number of options here, but for Belgian customers seem to exclude PP.AliExpress used to offer PayPal, but PayPal became an eBay subsidary 2002 to 2014. AliExpress is eBay's biggest competitor, and eBay decided to ban AliExpress from using PayPal.
I do not know if AliExpress could go back to PayPal now if it wanted to, but they had to develop their own alternatives and perhaps they do not want to let PayPal back in. eBay still has a very close contractual relationship to PayPal and that expires in 2020. After this, eBay will still support PayPal, but eBay will cease to give PayPal preference over other credit cards, and PayPal will no longer process credit card purchases for eBay.
I pay all my purchases on Aliexpress through PayPal.
For some reason I can’t choose PayPal when purchasing at AliExpress. They give a decent number of options here, but for Belgian customers seem to exclude PP.AliExpress used to offer PayPal, but PayPal became an eBay subsidary 2002 to 2014. AliExpress is eBay's biggest competitor, and eBay decided to ban AliExpress from using PayPal.
I do not know if AliExpress could go back to PayPal now if it wanted to, but they had to develop their own alternatives and perhaps they do not want to let PayPal back in.
eBay still has a very close contractual relationship to PayPal and that expires in 2020.
After this, eBay will still support PayPal, but eBay will cease to give PayPal preference over other credit cards, and PayPal will no longer process credit card purchases for eBay.
Woo-Hoo! My tracking has been updated. The items still haven't left China but it appears they are sitting on the dock waiting to be shipped (or grabbed by pirates). Until, and if I get a chance to open the package and actually see the items, I won't believe this is real.
Number: AZ98*******CN
Package status: In transit
Country: China -> Canada
Destination:
Origin:
2019-10-22 01:51, Guangzhou City, leaving the "International Express Plum Garden" And the next stop , "Shenzhen Post Express Limited"
2019-10-22 00:31, Guangzhou City, "International Express Mei Garden Touting Department" has received, agent: Peng Ming, Tel: 13913913900
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Another update on my order after update posts #408 and #418. The "tracking" shows the items are out for delivery but tracking doesn't show the items have even been loaded on a plane or left China yet. Maybe they went by a very fast boat and the rest of delivery (including customs) only took 4 days where it took almost 4 weeks to get to the dock. :-//This is what's bugging me. I already mentioned that my tracking shows the Royal Mail (equivalent of USPS and China Post) should be tracking the parcel once it is in the destination country. But there is no record of it. Have you checked usps.com with the tracking number? because that would confirm if it's in the USA or not. Though "it" could be something else in the country like a different customers order and going to another state entirely.
If you're going to fake something, at least make it look reasonable.
Dear customer
the item do lost
if the item is on the way to you ,there is no reason for us to cheat you
we want give full refund to you
hope you can understand.
The version I got:
Dear buyer,
sorry .we just got the information the parcel will been returned to us due to Crucial Defectives of the elements and function .
we need to return all of these items back to theirs factory for a Security Inspection until the issue solved.
in order to protect your right ,could you please tell us your paypal to get the refund back
or would you like to choose other item as replace in our store ?
sorry for the trouble again and waiting for quickly reply ,
nice day
I opened the dispute and got this reply:
(Attachment Link)
No deal. Escalating! My Cozy Life Store is going to suffer the consequences.
I ordered two more from My Cozy Life Store after the video came out and I just got them :-+You didn't have a tracking number ending in "3480CN" by any chance? I would love to know who ended up with the package I have been following for weeks.
Haven't tested yet.
I ordered two more from My Cozy Life Store after the video came out and I just got them :-+
Haven't tested yet.
DJ should buy up the lot, flog them here, and end this fiasco :clap:
I ordered two more from My Cozy Life Store after the video came out and I just got them :-+
Haven't tested yet.
I ordered two more from My Cozy Life Store after the video came out and I just got them :-+
Haven't tested yet.
to beanflying,seems like tonethiny has closed his shop,can’t find him anymore
If you have a chance maybe you could trace the calibrator output back to the source. It should be coming from the MCU but I can't seem to find anything that makes sense on my broken unit.
If you have a chance maybe you could trace the calibrator output back to the source. It should be coming from the MCU but I can't seem to find anything that makes sense on my broken unit.
Here you go, circuit shows 10V output state.
Gnd = - source terminal.
mAIN = the output terminal
Oh well, have to raise a dispute.Right. Seems like they are getting so many disputes regarding "process meter WTF insanity" that they do not even read your claim carefully, just decide in your favor full refund amount in a snap.
In my humble opinion, they are manufacture quality control rejects sold on the salvage market When the people in China realized that they couldn't supply the huge demand , that's when they did the bait and switch or raised the price on the meters that made the grade when it came to the quality control specifications
Why would you want a thing like this.
The version I got:
Dear buyer,
sorry .we just got the information the parcel will been returned to us due to Crucial Defectives of the elements and function .
we need to return all of these items back to theirs factory for a Security Inspection until the issue solved.
in order to protect your right ,could you please tell us your paypal to get the refund back
or would you like to choose other item as replace in our store ?
sorry for the trouble again and waiting for quickly reply ,
nice day
I opened the dispute and got this reply:
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No deal. Escalating! My Cozy Life Store is going to suffer the consequences.
In my humble opinion, they are manufacture quality control rejects sold on the salvage market When the people in China realized that they couldn't supply the huge demand , that's when they did the bait and switch or raised the price on the meters that made the grade when it came to the quality control specifications
I got 2 and both failed the same way. If they're qa rejects it's still a little curious as they worked out of the box. Only when I tested them, gently, did they fail. I think the DACs failed but I still need to check the DAC spi comms before I'm sure. Even if it is the DACs... They probably aren't worth the $20 a piece to fix.
Same situation for me with Cozy Life.... same excuse from them.. same suggestion.. lies... wanting me to close the dispute or they won't refund. Now, the waiting game for my refund. I'm done using Aliexpress.... Ebay is so much easier dealing with crooked sellers... and Aliexpress is full of dishonest ones.
Nah, don't generalize like that. There's weird people on Ebay, too.
I ordered from "KingPet Market Store" just an hour or two after Dave released the video to Patreons.Well it was all a lie, the seller provided that tracking number that shows the item going to Sweden.
Mine now shows up as shipped with a working tracking number.
I did pay an extra $9 for express shipping via "Fedex IP" but according to Aliexpress the seller used TNT.
In any case so far it looks alright.
It does look like the tracking number is a regular China Post one though.
I guess that is one way to recoup a bit of cost, in any case I'm fine as long as I get my two meters :)
Seller actually never shipped the item but provided a fake tracking number so it looked like it was shipped to AliExpress. He then wanted to refund directly via Paypal so that AliExpress would never see that he did not ship the item.
Also low rating for product description because the LCD display is photoshopped where it shows a reading.
Aliexpress feedback system favours the sellers over the buyers... in the case of the seller not shipping the item, you cannot even select that as the reason for asking for a refund, which is ridiculous. They don't even let you give feedback for when a seller neglects to ship you an item, unless you lie and say you received it... (a total oxymoron).
I got 2 and both failed the same way. If they're qa rejects it's still a little curious as they worked out of the box. Only when I tested them, gently, did they fail. I think the DACs failed but I still need to check the DAC spi comms before I'm sure. Even if it is the DACs... They probably aren't worth the $20 a piece to fix.
so... what am I supposed to do with this process meter ? what is it used for ?
Low level signals being applied and sourced to/from source/sim "ports". I did 4-20 mA, 150mV, 1.5V and 10V while on input mode. Shortly after while comparing its output to a stable dc calibrator output using a null meter the outputs started doing the stair stepping.
EDIT: Attached a picture of the output I had posted this before in the TE thread. They both do this now.
I've been on Ebay for 20 years.. have 1000 feedbacks, it was rare to have to do a negative feedback.
Aliexpress feedback system favours the sellers over the buyers... in the case of the seller not shipping the item, you cannot even select that as the reason for asking for a refund, which is ridiculous. They don't even let you give feedback for when a seller neglects to ship you an item, unless you lie and say you received it... (a total oxymoron).
It depend on your luck. Trust me, the seasoned seller can game the ebay system very well too. I got hit, and at the end not able to get refund of USD150 and also not able to leave negative feedback as the feedback window was overed. Ebay basically rule in the seller's favour, and did not bother to go through the messages that the seller was misleading me every steps along the way to go against ebay rules on the retun procedure. Ebay has since changed some of the rules I heard but has lost me forever . Likewise these sellers know the aliexpress system much better than aliexpress, and is able to game their system by generating fake shipping information. But in aliexpress, the money does not go to the seller until you accept the deal. The money is with aliexpress, once you ack receipt OK, the deal is considered done well and considered close and seller shall not be bothered with you anymore after your feedback.
For this case, seller use fake shipping and make delivery date very late (2 month) for my order. After 10 days, I asked aliexpress through the chat to override their long window and let let me raise a dispute. I would actually let the seller off for this case if they do not fake delivery and just ACK that they do not have stock. But apparently listing and selling when they do not stock is a big NO NO in aliexpress rule.
so... what am I supposed to do with this process meter ?You actually got one or is this a hypothetical question :-DD
Updated readings:
- pin 14 on the ADS1232 is the input for the V and mV ranges. It is protected with 100R, a big cap, and some kind of zener or schottky diode.
- On both the working and non-working meter, *the same* voltages reach pin 14:
- 0.495V with 5V input (V)
- 0.555V with 50mV input (mV)
The mV range does work on both meters, which is confusing because that means the ADC and front end is working fine. Unless the reference is being screwed with when we range switch (should be the 2.5V diode below the chip), I can't see how this is not firmware or CAL related.
I'll add the ADC to my schematic tomorrow, and maybe get some idea of how the reference zener is being controlled.
Dear friend,
we want to resend,but we have no stock now
would you mind choose other item with similar price in our store?
or do you have other solution ?
we try our best to solve the problem
best regards
I just got my money back from Manbo store. Of course Aliexpress is the one who made that decision, Manbo tried to wriggle out of it until the end.Same here. Just gave them a 1 star rating. Now just waiting on my Cozy Life dispute. Cozy just offered to pay me back by PayPal with an amount less then I had paid! That offer worked well. :-DD
My Cozy Life Store has offered me a similar standard text and the pre-selected "no return, no refund" proposal, which I have rejected. No, I will not retract my dispute ;-)
I just got my money back from Manbo store. Of course Aliexpress is the one who made that decision, Manbo tried to wriggle out of it until the end.Same here. Just gave them a 1 star rating. Now just waiting on my Cozy Life dispute. Cozy just offered to pay me back by PayPal with an amount less then I had paid! That offer worked well. :-DD
Well it was all a lie, the seller provided that tracking number that shows the item going to Sweden.
It has been "delivered to air transport in Shenzhen" since the 28:th of September, I think the plane is running low on fuel if they have not landed yet!
What pisses me off is that the seller had written me a message, but I did not see that message when I logged in to AliExpress.
And neither did I got any notification of such via e-mail, it was the same message about "quality problems" and that they cannot ship.
Well, it's called mail fraud to then enter a tracking number into the system that is completely faked!
AliExpress sided with me and have given a full refund, the seller of course wanted to settle outside of AlieExpress...
But apparently listing and selling when they do not stock is a big NO NO in aliexpress rule.My Cozy Life Store, 3893 items across a variety of categories, you think they have all that in stock?
I would contact the company that actually makes the REAL VERSION and see if they have a clue.... I am sure they know EXACTLY what happened, how their dodgy batch was picked up or dumped to recycling and perhaps who grabbed the lot and started to sell it.Yes, please contact the company that actually makes the REAL VERSION and tell us what they say.
I found out that the website http://www.ems.com.cn (http://www.ems.com.cn) seems to be a spoof of http://ems.com.cn (http://ems.com.cn)You can't spoof a sub-domain unless someone has access to the DNS configuration for the primary domain so it is likely a server configuration or cookie issue.
I suspect that these were meters that failed spec or from a bad batch using dodgy/fake components that didn't meet the original specifications, or some other hardware issue that was more expensive to correct than to recycle. I bet you all of these meters were destined for the dumpster when they got intercepted by some opportunists who figured they could pawn them off... and at $9, even if they are faulty, customers would likely not put up too much of a complaint. Unfortunately they didn't divulge any details in their item description that would hint at trouble.
Are you kidding, expecting a $200 to 300 hundred selling at $9 to be not a rejected item.Indeed. It shall be expected as e-waste item. I bet it
It could be a misconfiguration, but if someone had access to the server, there is a way to serve a similar page with a slightly different address and redirect data out of it. A few months ago I had a given e-mail/password combination stolen due to the exact same combination of "www/non www".I found out that the website http://www.ems.com.cn (http://www.ems.com.cn) seems to be a spoof of http://ems.com.cn (http://ems.com.cn)You can't spoof a sub-domain unless someone has access to the DNS configuration for the primary domain so it is likely a server configuration or cookie issue.
If someone has access to server, it does not have to do anything with www/ non www. Also I doubt it was stolen there and not somewhere else. It's like almost all of the websites will work with either variant, some redirecting to single version, other just staying as you entered the address.It could be a misconfiguration, but if someone had access to the server, there is a way to serve a similar page with a slightly different address and redirect data out of it. A few months ago I had a given e-mail/password combination stolen due to the exact same combination of "www/non www".I found out that the website http://www.ems.com.cn (http://www.ems.com.cn) seems to be a spoof of http://ems.com.cn (http://ems.com.cn)You can't spoof a sub-domain unless someone has access to the DNS configuration for the primary domain so it is likely a server configuration or cookie issue.
I found out that the website http://www.ems.com.cn (http://www.ems.com.cn) seems to be a spoof of http://ems.com.cn (http://ems.com.cn)
In the first I can't track my package at all, while on the second it shows up with all details.
Does anybody else see that?
Does anyone know how to make that ems.com.cn tracking site work? Whenever I try it I get some kind of unsolvable jigsaw puzzle that I can't get past.
-HAHAHA Lifestyle Store:
Dear friend,
We have been informed by the logistics company that your package has been returned by the shipping company
We are sorry to tell you that our provider informed us
The products are defective in material and function
And we have to return all these items to the factory
or a safety inspection until the problem is resolved
Use multiple tracking number search box. It works fine unlike single track number search above it. That's if you repeatedly get another puzzle after solving previous one. As of solving puzzle itself, as said above by BravoV.I found out that the website http://www.ems.com.cn (http://www.ems.com.cn) seems to be a spoof of http://ems.com.cn (http://ems.com.cn)
In the first I can't track my package at all, while on the second it shows up with all details.
Does anybody else see that?
Does anyone know how to make that ems.com.cn tracking site work? Whenever I try it I get some kind of unsolvable jigsaw puzzle that I can't get past.
You know, at this point I don't think I even care about the meter I ordered. Sounds like it's going to have lots of problems. Still going to neg the seller once their time runs out.
Looking at the power supply section now:
The bad meter happens to have R8 not populated. I'm guessing R8 is switched to 24V/Vout when you move the dial to the 'V/mV' range to drop the supply output voltage to ~12V.
Since you only need 10V max output/input perhaps this saves power or reduces power dissipation. Something getting 24V when it expected 10V could have caused an issue.
I'll try populating R8 but I'm thinking the damage is already done.
Also note the use of a 25V cap on 24V supply 8).
edit: R8 drops the boost supply output to 10V when it is in DMM mode or the dial is between indents. All process ranges sit at 24V, so those shouldn't be affected.
edit2: U5 is the 2.5V reference, pinout matches LM236 or LM136-2.5, 20ppm. Its marked '10091', so maybe from a custom order?
And so it begins :
Dear friend, Thanks for reaching out to us and sorry for the troubles We can refund FULL for you but could you please cancel the dispute at first and promised never open a dispute again.
If you agree plz cancel the dispute then contact us and we can REFUND you asap Hope you understand and thanks in advance Best Regards.
If they transfer money to paypal, then they can open dispute and claim it back.
If they transfer money to paypal, then they can open dispute and claim it back.
Exactly.
My understanding is that they can only claim it back under PayPal Purchase Protection for Buyers, by claiming that a (fictional) service was never fulfilled. This, however, requires the payment being sent for goods and services - so as long as you get the refund as payment for friends & family, it's all good.And how many people do know this? And you need explicitly ask them to do transfer this way.
My understanding is that they can only claim it back under PayPal Purchase Protection for Buyers, by claiming that a (fictional) service was never fulfilled. This, however, requires the payment being sent for goods and services - so as long as you get the refund as payment for friends & family, it's all good.And how many people do know this? And you need explicitly ask them to do transfer this way.
so... what am I supposed to do with this process meter ?You actually got one or is this a hypothetical question :-DD
The reason everyone ordered this meter was to curse and insult the chinese sellers, that part succeeded. :-DD
Use it to tell you when it is time for a Beer ;)I thought it was always time for a Beer ? :)
Use it to tell you when it is time for a Beer ;)I thought it was always time for a Beer ? :)
I was curious, no need such an instrument, but curiosity won and I ordered one at Aliexpress (vendor: My Cozy Life Store).
I got a tracking number, and the tracking reported the package leaving China on October, 6th, then arriving in Italy on October 25, passing through different Poste Italiane logistic centers, then delivered on October 30th to someone (I cannot see the name and street address) in another town (about 900 km from me).
I contacted Poste Italiane, but they say that only the sender can get further informations.
Now I've opened a dispute with the seller, and will see what will happen.
I suspect they deliberately sent me a real tracking number but for another customer from Italy, and maybe for another item.
Don't care: I want my money back.
Interesting experience.
If some of the Forum's members lives in Ferrandina (MT) please contact me by private message: the package was delivered there. I would like to know what was inside the box....
Best regards
That makes the seller extra shady IMO.
Selling nothing and providing a fake tracking number and then cancelling the shipment or lying about it is one thing which already is not done,
but giving the buyer a duplicate tracking number for another customer is fraud in my book.
That makes the seller extra shady IMO.
Selling nothing and providing a fake tracking number and then cancelling the shipment or lying about it is one thing which already is not done,
but giving the buyer a duplicate tracking number for another customer is fraud in my book.
What I'm writing isn't meant to defend those sellers, just to explain what's going on. The whole mess started after Dave's video when many people ordered the process meter while only a low number was in stock actually (some batch of quality control rejects). The online shops overstated the stock since they are buying from the same company/warehouse. If that warehouse has 10 units in stock and ten shops list also 10 units being in stock you end up with 100 units in total. So the meter was oversold. Since AliExpress punishes sellers when not shipping the products sold the shops are trying to work around AliExpress by entering a valid tracking ID from some other sale (possibly from another market platform). Everything looks fine for AliExpress. Then they tell the buyer some excuse for not shipping and offering to send something else or to refund via PayPal. PayPal is outside of AliExpress' view. The buyers are refunded via PayPal, AliExpress sees normal sales and won't punish the shops, no harm done besides disappointed buyers. It isn't an intended fraud, it's the result of working around a system the shops can't change.So if you were selling a product lets say your Fluke multimeter on Ebay, would you list it ten times ? Ofcourse not.
The buyers are refunded via PayPal, AliExpress sees normal sales and won't punish the shops, no harm done besides disappointed buyers. It isn't an intended fraud, it's the result of working around a system the shops can't change.Sorry but in my book selling something you can't deliver is reason for a punishment. Besides that there are many webshops in Europe which do drop-shipping as well. These shops share a single warehouse stock level control where they can reserve goods the minute they are sold. Massive overselling just isn't possible. Maybe 1 or 2 pieces but the chances for that to happen are not high.
Then they tell the buyer some excuse for not shipping and offering to send something else or to refund via PayPal. PayPal is outside of AliExpress' view. The buyers are refunded via PayPal, AliExpress sees normal sales and won't punish the shops, no harm done besides disappointed buyers. It isn't an intended fraud, it's the result of working around a system the shops can't change.What part of knowingly and intentionally lying to customers, sending fake tracking information, and subverting established marketplace refund and review processes because they are (correctly and appropriately) disadvantageous to you is not fraud?
I fully agree, from a westener's point of view it's fraud. But it isn't intended to scam you out of your money, it's meant to work around the market platform. Anyhow, I was just explaining what's going on.But still... why send out fake tracking numbers? That is just fraudulent. And working around the market platform is also fraudulent as in not complying with the rules of the market platform. Some Chinese just have a lot to learn when it comes to doing business in a sustainable way and get rid of the hit&run mentality.
The online shops overstated the stock since they are buying from the same company/warehouse. If that warehouse has 10 units in stock and ten shops list also 10 units being in stock you end up with 100 units in total. So the meter was oversold.
I think what madires is trying to point out is that at this point, they're not trying to fraud people for their money.Yes, fraud is financial term but anyway they are asking for positive feedback they did not earn. That is still unfair trade practice.
I think what madires is trying to point out is that at this point, they're not trying to fraud people for their money. They're trying to "fraud" AliExpress's feedback system, because in the end, their reputation on AliExpress is more important to their business than just what a bunch of people on other continents think of them.But shouldn't the reputation on AliExpress be a reflection on what their customers think of them? What good does a falsely inflated rating do?
Fraud is not exclusively a financial term. If I get a drivers license with falsified documents, that’s fraud.I think what madires is trying to point out is that at this point, they're not trying to fraud people for their money.Yes, fraud is financial term but anyway they are asking for positive feedback they did not earn. That is still unfair trade practice.
But shouldn't the reputation on AliExpress be a reflection on what their customers think of them? What good does a falsely inflated rating do?
The version I got:
Dear buyer,
sorry .we just got the information the parcel will been returned to us due to Crucial Defectives of the elements and function .
we need to return all of these items back to theirs factory for a Security Inspection until the issue solved.
in order to protect your right ,could you please tell us your paypal to get the refund back
or would you like to choose other item as replace in our store ?
sorry for the trouble again and waiting for quickly reply ,
nice day
I opened the dispute and got this reply:
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No deal. Escalating! My Cozy Life Store is going to suffer the consequences.
Aliexpress have now reviewed my dispute and make the follow 'recommendation':
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My reply:
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So, now a 3 day wait, errm, awaits!
It's just annoying that the reason is 'Delivered to Wrong Address'.
Pending delivery confirmation Payment will be released to seller on 2020-02-08 08:56:49
Yaseri from dhgate said multiple times that he does not have stock and can't ship the meter, yet mid October provided a tracking number that appears to be fake, same as many others. Deadline for delivery expired yesterday, response from Yaseri is that the package is lost, how convenient. Selection on dhgate to file a dispute is absolutely ridiculous . Under item not received there is an option "Package is still on its way" or "package was intercepted by customs". Invalid tracking number can not be selected as "its still in transit and telling me to be patient". I don't really care about this meter, I jumped on the bandwagon for same reason as many others. But this whole thing highlights how corrupt the buying experience can be through these Chinese channels.
dearOf course I've rejected their "offer" and will be leaving negative feedback
sorry to make you wait so long, we just got the information from the logistics company and your parcel was lost,maybe there is something wrong with your address or other reason we don't know .Even though,we still apologize for that.we want to resend,but we have no stock now ,how about we refund you ?
refund:do you have PayPal account to get the money?
OR you can choose other items from us ,ok?"
pls close the dispute
have a nice day
Well, I finally got home from my travels to see the meter that I DID receive. I won't have time to properly test it for a while, but what I immediately notice is that the AIMOmeter branding has NOT been scraped or removed in any way like it was in Dave's video. It looks factory fresh.
Well, I finally got home from my travels to see the meter that I DID receive. I won't have time to properly test it for a while, but what I immediately notice is that the AIMOmeter branding has NOT been scraped or removed in any way like it was in Dave's video. It looks factory fresh.
Drum roll...............
Cozy Life feedback rating is currently under 93% and that is before all the problems they will have with this meter. They delayed the meter delivery problems by using fake tracking numbers. We will see if AliExpress finally gets sick of it.
Cozy Life feedback rating is currently under 93% and that is before all the problems they will have with this meter. They delayed the meter delivery problems by using fake tracking numbers. We will see if AliExpress finally gets sick of it.
I'm curious how many disputes Cozy Life has over this Process Meter. Mine has been sitting for a few weeks now without aliexpress doing much.
I just had mine settled yesterday after I uploaded a screenshot of MyCozyLife messaging me to ask me to re-file a dispute and claim that I was mistaken in ordering it.
Refund from AliExpress followed an hour later, then I left negative feedback (which apparently takes 30 days to appear on the sellers feedback profile)
Tim
aliexpress@notice.aliexpress.com
Dear xxxxx,
The dispute (order id: xxxxx ) has been closed today and we have made a mediation. You can log in to <http:xxxxx> to check the details.
After checking, the tracking information shows "shipment cancelled" or "no records" , which means that seller didn't shipped the goods within required time.
In this case, your payment is expected to return to your credit card, please be patient to your bank statements. If you still want to get the goods, we warmly suggest you can contact seller and get a good solution.
Complaints from buyer - shipping abnormal
Judgement from AE - Valid
Invalid Reason - NA
Package Information
ePacket LOxxxxx05CN shipping abnormal
Final resolution: full refund <full amount I paid>
Reminder: Normally buyer will receive the refund in 3-20 business days.
Please spare a few minutes to provide feedback on the service I have provided. We strive on improving our performance consistently, and feedback ratings help us evaluate our performance further.
Thank you for your cooperation and support, and hope you have a great experience shopping with AliExpress. Your understanding and cooperation will be appreciated.
Best regards,
AliExpress Case Management Team
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.......
-HAHAHA Lifestyle Store:
Dear friend,
We have been informed by the logistics company that your package has been returned by the shipping company
We are sorry to tell you that our provider informed us
The products ....<snipped>
Well, it won't be like that. Whether or not you return the money, I always win.
Because I was honest and you were not.
maybe, for you, Honesty, doesn't go along with business, ... for me, it does.
best regards.
EMS has no representation in Spain, no phone, no email to contact them. they only give a P.O Box in Switzerland.https://www.ems.post/en/global-network/ems-operators/ems-spain (https://www.ems.post/en/global-network/ems-operators/ems-spain)
The spanish mail "Correos España" say they don't recognize the tracking number, they have nothing in their database.Ask them to issue *signed* document (scan .pdf and email you, save local copy) that states exactly that. It is The Proof that you did not receive package.
I have lost 68€.If you did pay with credit card, consult your bank/card operator.
After checking, the tracking information shows "shipment cancelled" or "no records" , which means that seller didn't shipped the goods within required time. In this case, your payment is expected to return to your credit card, please be patient to your bank statements. If you still want to get the goods, we warmly suggest you can contact seller and get a good solution.Looks like they aren't buying the fake tracking number they issued me
No.Yes indeed. EMS is cooperative, not corporation. CORREOS is correct contact. If in doubt, you would want to read following:
the EMS phone number and email provided by you, (copied from the EMS page) are from CORREOS ESPAÑA, not from EMS.
EMS seems to be a platform only.
No way.
CORREOS ESPAÑA told me that the track number provider is only valid for EMS platform.
If they has sent the package the code must be a long number starting with letters "PK"... I have nobody that can give me that number
well this is B.B.S.
Thank you .
to me this topic is closed. let´s move on.
Refund from AliExpress followed an hour later, then I left negative feedback (which apparently takes 30 days to appear on the sellers feedback profile)
for AliExpress orders, I used a CC that specifically opened for online shopping to minimize risk, as this particular CC issuer bank, diligently beeps me thru SMS at every transaction no matter how small it is
Well, I was provided a second tracking number today, showing it has indeed been shipped, and that it should arrive in a few days.AliExpress Refunded me non the less today, apparently they opened a case without my knowledge after "Tracking Irregularities". They where interested in the stores"offline" refund offer too.
Refund from AliExpress followed an hour later, then I left negative feedback (which apparently takes 30 days to appear on the sellers feedback profile)
Maybe they have to ship negative feedback on a container ship as well...
I do not know where this 30 days came from. I can see feedback from 2 days ago.Refund from AliExpress followed an hour later, then I left negative feedback (which apparently takes 30 days to appear on the sellers feedback profile)...
Seriously though: 30 days can get in a lot of suss trading before other unaware buyers get to make a choice as to whether that seller is worth a punt :-//
AliExpress stepped in, and I guess AliExpress Case Management Team are seeing this pattern alot.Quotealiexpress@notice.aliexpress.com
Dear xxxxx,
The dispute (order id: xxxxx ) has been closed today and we have made a mediation. You can log in to <http:xxxxx> to check the details.
After checking, the tracking information shows "shipment cancelled" or "no records" , which means that seller didn't shipped the goods within required time.
In this case, your payment is expected to return to your credit card, please be patient to your bank statements. If you still want to get the goods, we warmly suggest you can contact seller and get a good solution.
Complaints from buyer - shipping abnormal
Judgement from AE - Valid
Invalid Reason - NA
Package Information
ePacket LOxxxxx05CN shipping abnormal
Final resolution: full refund <full amount I paid>
Reminder: Normally buyer will receive the refund in 3-20 business days.
Please spare a few minutes to provide feedback on the service I have provided. We strive on improving our performance consistently, and feedback ratings help us evaluate our performance further.
Thank you for your cooperation and support, and hope you have a great experience shopping with AliExpress. Your understanding and cooperation will be appreciated.
Best regards,
AliExpress Case Management Team
for AliExpress orders, I used a CC that specifically opened for online shopping to minimize risk, as this particular CC issuer bank, diligently beeps me thru SMS at every transaction no matter how small it is
I recently tried buying something from AliExpress and my VISA would not take the charge no matter how many times I tried, even after calling and verifying the flagged transaction as not fraud. I guess they know something I don't know (AMEX card took it, though).
yaseri 2019-11-06 09:43
Dear friends
We did send the parcel to you before.
But the freight forward tells us that your parcel was lost on the way.
We are really sorry
Because our warehouse is now out of stock.
So we have no way to resend your package now.
Can you help us change the dispute?
We can help you with a full refund.
Thank you
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my reply:ME 2019-11-07 04:57
why has this happened to many people who ordered this same item?
i do not believe this was a real shipment as this happened to others who ordered the same item, it is near impossible that all the orders were lost.
we can give evidence to dj gate and are prepared to do so.
I wish for dj gate to pay me the 30 usd for false tracking and, for you to have a negative strike against you for this bad practice.
You have caused me to now be unable to obtain this item due to your deceitful activities, and i intend to peruse this fully.
this is just not me but others who have ordered this item. we are in contact with each other on the eevblog forum. you can check this for yourself.
I do not intend to change the dispute. i want dh gate to be aware of exactly what you did to me and to others.
Gretchen 2019-11-07 11:01:35
Hi! My name is Gretchen. May I know your name and concern please?
我 2019-11-07 11:01:38
I have a problem with my current order. The seller has provided a fake tracking number and has stopped replying to messages.They have lied from the beginning of the sale process including trying to get additional money from me to supply the item.
我 2019-11-07 11:01:47
Hi too :)
Gretchen 2019-11-07 11:02:06
I understand let me help you with that.
Gretchen 2019-11-07 11:02:17
Can I have the order number please so that I can verify it here?
我 2019-11-07 11:02:36
I3149753300
我 2019-11-07 11:03:45
Your system won't let me lodge a dispute for the false tracking number
我 2019-11-07 11:03:55
Sure I can wait
Gretchen 2019-11-07 11:04:32
Thank you so much.
Gretchen 2019-11-07 11:08:12
Thank you for waiting.
Gretchen 2019-11-07 11:09:27
For this order we suggest please open a dispute on this order for the reason of "item not received" since it's already beyond the guaranteed delivery date.
Gretchen 2019-11-07 11:09:40
Do you want me to send the steps on how to open a dispute?
我 2019-11-07 11:10:25
I am aware of how to open a dispute. I want to open one for the false tracking number and your system won't allow me to do this?
我 2019-11-07 11:10:58
The only reason allowed it the item is still in transit which it is not
Gretchen 2019-11-07 11:11:09
Yes I understand it won't allow you because the tracking number is not invalid it is just still in transit as of now.
我 2019-11-07 11:12:41
It is not in transit at all. The seller has acknowledged this in a private message. The made up a story that the number was incorrectly added to the invoice.
Gretchen 2019-11-07 11:13:01
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Gretchen 2019-11-07 11:14:13
Okay I understand that since you cannot open a diuspute for invalid tracking number we suggest please open a dispute for the reason of "item not recieved" so that you can successfully open the dispute.
我 2019-11-07 11:14:52
Why can I not select the TRUE reason for the dispute?
我 2019-11-07 11:15:27
Clearly this is outside this date?
我 2019-11-07 11:15:30
“Invalid tracking number” can not select as It's in transit and still within the range of the seller's delivery estimate time 2019-10-28，please be patient to wait or contact seller for help.
Gretchen 2019-11-07 11:16:17
Yes I understand that because the system is basing on the tracking information that shows it's still in transit
我 2019-11-07 11:16:56
But it was a fake number as admitted by the seller?
我 2019-11-07 11:17:30
This fake followed the demand for a lot more money to supply the item
我 2019-11-07 11:18:47
So how can you help me resolve this so the seller doesn't do this again to others?
Gretchen 2019-11-07 11:20:17
Okay I understand for now we will report this seller to the related team so that it will not happen again. For the meantime we also suggest please open a dispute for "item not receive" so that the dispute team can help you sort things out.
我 2019-11-07 11:20:53
I am trying to follow this procedure [url]http://help.dhgate.com/help/buyerhelpen.php?catid=2405artid=9ACFF44CC9020EA2E0400A0AD20A71B2[/url] ([url]http://help.dhgate.com/help/buyerhelpen.php?catid=2405artid=9ACFF44CC9020EA2E0400A0AD20A71B2[/url])
我 2019-11-07 11:21:24
It applies a penalty to the seller but your system won't allow me to use it?
Gretchen 2019-11-07 11:23:23
May I know what's this procedure please because I couldn't open the link here.
我 2019-11-07 11:24:14
It is on your site under "Tracking Your Items"
我 2019-11-07 11:24:53
It clearly sets out what to do but your system clearly doesn't allow it?
Gretchen 2019-11-07 11:25:33
Okay it maybe a Technical issue only. Can you try to refresh the page, delete cache and cookies, switch to other browsers like internet explorer or chrome and try to do it again?
我 2019-11-07 11:26:28
The procedure is to go to the dispute page and select "False Tracking Number" which I can not do? Why is that?
Gretchen 2019-11-07 11:30:05
Yes I understand as have said earlier the system won't allow you because it based on the tracking information that the tracking number is not invalid and it shows it is in transit that is why you cannot choose the invalid tracking number as option.
我 2019-11-07 11:31:18
So if the seller uses a valid but FAKE number I can not lodge a dispute for an invalid tracking number in spite of their admitting they added a FAKE one ?
Gretchen 2019-11-07 11:32:49
Yes because it shows not valid in the tracking information. No worries you can still open a dispute for "item not received" so that you can have a refund or replacement.
我 2019-11-07 11:34:12
So the seller gets away with it because they used your system to hide behind?
Gretchen 2019-11-07 11:34:59
No worries because we will report this seller so that the related team will take action on this.
我 2019-11-07 11:36:35
So your seller Guarantee is worthless?
Gretchen 2019-11-07 11:41:19
I understand that however what we can do here is that for you to open a dispute for this case since it has passed the guaranteed delivery and also to protect your payment from being released to the seller that is why we highly encourage buyers to open a dispute if something has gone wrong with the order.
我 2019-11-07 11:43:00
So your guarantee is clearly useless and the seller can manipulate it and get away without penalty. This is unacceptable!
Gretchen 2019-11-07 11:44:54
Yes I understand the related team will be the one whose going to punish the seller for doing this.
我 2019-11-07 11:46:29
Your system is broken if it will not allow my to claim appropriately
Gretchen 2019-11-07 11:50:51
Yes I do understand we highly suggest open a dispute for the reason of "item not received" and it will also be reflected on the record of the seller.
我 2019-11-07 11:52:00
As it is pointless to continue this further with you I am finishing this conversation. I do not blame you but I blame your system which is clearly at fault.
我 2019-11-07 11:52:06
thanks for your time
Gretchen 2019-11-07 11:52:52
Okay thank you for understanding.
Well that is a WOFTAM and confirms what we already know dheadgate is off my shopping list in future :rant: :horse:
DhGate's system is built for the seller to abuse and hide behind using a valid but none the less FAKE tracking number.
Just don't understand why purchase from dhgate ? :-//
So if there is a fishy web sites that has similar offer, you guys will instantly jump on it as well ? :palm:
On one of mine Ali is refusing to force a refund. They keep telling me to wait and if I don't get it from the post office that's my fault. Despite the fact that I uploaded screenshots of the seller saying they will not ship and their official dispute response being that they want me to cancel dispute and then they'll refund via paypal. :-// Oh well, onto a third dispute extension.Yes, same here. I got refunded by Ali from the Shenzhen Super seller quickly because he only had a fake tracking number. My Cozy Life are fucking criminals though - we have plenty of examples of them using duplicate tracking numbers that go to the destination country but to some other state.
On one of mine Ali is refusing to force a refund. They keep telling me to wait and if I don't get it from the post office that's my fault. Despite the fact that I uploaded screenshots of the seller saying they will not ship and their official dispute response being that they want me to cancel dispute and then they'll refund via paypal. :-// Oh well, onto a third dispute extension.Same exact response here. I selected Aliexpress standard shipping. Seller provided fake EMS tracking number which is stuck on in transit status on Aliexpress tracking, but has reached status POD almost three weeks ago on China post EMS tracking.
On one of mine Ali is refusing to force a refund. They keep telling me to wait and if I don't get it from the post office that's my fault. Despite the fact that I uploaded screenshots of the seller saying they will not ship and their official dispute response being that they want me to cancel dispute and then they'll refund via paypal. :-// Oh well, onto a third dispute extension.
I provided my paypal ID to seller, yet did not agree/confirm to refund through Paypal. Result: I got close to full refund in Paypal (due to commissions) *and* full refund through Ali dispute. Aliexpress seems did not even read whole story, just resolved in my favor in a snap. Seller seems to have bigger problems than this mistake. I do not feel like lost anything at all. Just some time and tears of laugh.Glad to hear it. I'm surprised the seller didn't consider this as a potential outcome of offering refunds outside of AE.
btw, how are some of you able to leave feedback when the seller has not shipped the item and therefore you can't confirm receipt of the item?In my case with both Manbo and Cozy (AliExpress refunded the money), I had the opportunity to leave feedback after AliExpress decided on the refund to end the order. I didn't have the option of leaving feedback before then. Maybe you can if tracking shows the item "delivered".
All this mess on all orders and nobody pointed who start this? Who made the call to help everybody jump on a cliff?We are all adults here. One can jump off a cliff on his/her own will.
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is latest movie with brad and leo pitts,
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and for bonus we send includes dvd -once upon a time in holywood- cam movie
is latest movie with brad and leo pitts,
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A bonus pirate movie... :-DD
Here is a link to the "2 in 1 Digital MultiMeter High Accuracy Mulitifuction Process Calibrator & DMM With 24V Loop Supply Low Battery Display"
https://www.dhgate.com/product/2-in-1-digital-multimeter-high-accuracy-mulitifuction/502649371.html?skuid=654188006353485832#s1-0-1;searl (https://www.dhgate.com/product/2-in-1-digital-multimeter-high-accuracy-mulitifuction/502649371.html?skuid=654188006353485832#s1-0-1;searl)|2650057694
Not as cheap as $9us but for $50.38 it's still a bargain you can't purchase here in Australia at this price.
I got a box, with a broken mug inside it... lol :-DDSerious? :wtf:
Glad I got my money back days ago..
(https://i.gyazo.com/cea981b96e34bc79ab49fe65156beee6.jpg)
"Hello Electrode Defective,
This 9 dollar metre business is no fix because no stock and many no truths from distibuter
so better for you plz request for refund or buy now better orange color metre
and for bonus we send includes dvd -once upon a time in holywood- cam movie
Plz you tell other VEEblog members every sellers here is solly and not happen agains
Please not hurt us with bad feedbacks, we nice peoples like you try to put food on shop counter
Best Regrads,
Pinn Oh Kio
BS Team Leader, Brightest Star Electronics"
"Hello Electrode Defective,
This 9 dollar metre business is no fix because no stock and many no truths from distibuter
so better for you plz request for refund or buy now better orange color metre
and for bonus we send includes dvd -once upon a time in holywood- cam movie
Plz you tell other VEEblog members every sellers here is solly and not happen agains
Please not hurt us with bad feedbacks, we nice peoples like you try to put food on shop counter
Best Regrads,
Pinn Oh Kio
BS Team Leader, Brightest Star Electronics"
This is very acceptable to me. They oversold what they were promised by one of the suppliers. It is common for suppliers to overstate to encourage enquiry. If base on normal past sale which maybe few per month, then all shall be fine. But Dave announce to the world, and all hell break loose. If cozzy store had given me this reply, I would cancel the pending delivery right away.
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Best Regrads,
Pinn Oh Kio
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I got a box, with a broken mug inside it... lol :-DD
Glad I got my money back days ago..
(https://i.gyazo.com/cea981b96e34bc79ab49fe65156beee6.jpg)
I'm on day 50 now since this order was placed... Ali just told me that I should be responsible for not getting the package when it arrives. :palm: I'm 100% certain they're not reading what I write or looking at the "evidence" because they actually think a package was sent. What part of this tracking data says legitimate package? :-DD Also the order now just says finished. I'm confused how one order was refunded in a few days, and this one is almost 30 days. I hope they don't drag this on so long I can't leave 0 star feedback.Happened to mine. I have to waste time with the chat line of the local post office to get their confirmation the tracking number wasn't to me and my address. They could not tell me who the sender, nor the delivered address were. I took a screenshot and posted it as additional evidence. After 3 days, aliexpress judged that I got a full refund. I gave aliexpress on their survey of the additional pain they have caused.
I'm on day 50 now since this order was placed... Ali just told me that I should be responsible for not getting the package when it arrives. :palm: I'm 100% certain they're not reading what I write or looking at the "evidence" because they actually think a package was sent. What part of this tracking data says legitimate package? :-DD Also the order now just says finished. I'm confused how one order was refunded in a few days, and this one is almost 30 days. I hope they don't drag this on so long I can't leave 0 star feedback.Happened to mine. I have to waste time with the chat line of the local post office to get their confirmation the tracking number wasn't to me and my address. They could not tell me who the sender, nor the delivered address were. I took a screenshot and posted it as additional evidence. After 3 days, aliexpress judged that I got a full refund. I gave aliexpress on their survey of the additional pain they have caused.
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As of now the tracking number I've got shows 0 movement through any postal system. If only they'd sent something to someone I'd have a small amount of satisfaction.
I got a refund from My Cozy Life Store, and It was very fast because I opted for cancelling the dispute as asked by the seller.As has already been mentioned, not only do you not get your full remittance back, but you incur the paypal fees. Ok, 10% of fuck all is 10% of fuck all, but you are being forced to beg them and go through blatantly false procedures to "resolve the dispute". When they are asking for "friends and family" they are not referring to the non-commercial paypal scheme, they are asking you to use your friends or family instead of your own paypal so they can then use the commercial paypal scheme which incurs the fee on your end and best of all, they then get to put in a claim later and get a refund after AliExpress declare the dispute resolved! >:D
I decided to leave non feedback, nor negative nor positive, just NO, because this story has exausted all my patience.
I ordered the meter just because I was curious, but this adventure took too much of my time.Nobody is saying it is AliExpress' fault. They know that Cozy Life are absolute scum but also they have to let them "save face" because China. So the blatant chicanery and false deliveries are allowed to run their course. I prefer to reward 1* even if I fail to get my $9 back rather than be a cuck. It's less work too.
I've found other sellers on AliExpress who have shown respect for me as a customer and have done their best to solve problems, so it's not AliExpress' fault, and I will buy there if needed.
Best regards
I got a refund from My Cozy Life Store, and It was very fast because I opted for cancelling the dispute as asked by the seller.
I decided to leave non feedback, nor negative nor positive, just NO, because this story has exausted all my patience.
I ordered the meter just because I was curious, but this adventure took too much of my time.
I've found other sellers on AliExpress who have shown respect for me as a customer and have done their best to solve problems, so it's not AliExpress' fault, and I will buy there if needed.
Best regards
I asked the seller to refund my credit card. They said that as they had already received payment from AliExpress they couldn't, as only AliExpress can do credit card refunds. They offered a refund by Paypal, which I declined.You've been luckier than I have. I'm still waiting.
I filed a dispute. The seller once again offered a refund by Paypal, which I continued to decline.
Within a few days AliExpress said that since I couldn't reach agreement with the seller they would refund my card. Refund received.
You've been luckier than I have. I'm still waiting.
Have you tried the live chat? They took like 3 minutes to resolve it for me.Please provide the script walthrough, SantaClaw-senpai :-+
You just need to find the "talk to a representative" button after chatting with their bot for a while
Eva
15:55
Not receive goods
2 in 1 Digital MultiMeter High Accuracy Mulitifuction Process Calibrator
Ships From : China
No，I have not received my order
Sorry, I cannot provide an answer to your question, but I am working very hard to improve.
Dispute progress
2 in 1 Digital MultiMeter High Accuracy Mulitifuction Process Calibrator
Ships From : China
No，I have not received my order
After checking, the dispute is awaiting for you and seller's response now.
The responding time will end on 2019-11-17 22:24:02PST(Pacific Standard Time). After the responding time ends, the dispute agent will handle it and you will get result within 48 hours.
Your feedback makes us better!
15:58
Our agent will be with you shortly...
Camilla
customer service consultant
Our agent is now in the chat.
Hi! This is Camilla from AliExpress Customer Service Team.
Hi.
You've been luckier than I have. I'm still waiting.
You've been luckier than I have. I'm still waiting.
I waited until the transaction was closed before filing the dispute. I don't know if that helped. It was more than a month after placing the order. As evidence for the dispute I included the seller's statement that "sorry, due to problems we cannot ship", and I included the tracking information showing that the package had not left China.
Just a followup on my DH Gate saga.
after opening a dispute, DH Gate just didn't want to hear or care about the issues with seller and their bad practices and just wanted to issue a refund and sweep it under the carpet.
this is a similar experience to another poster about DH Gate. So i cant say i am surprised, howevr it dos go to show its not an isolated thing.
DH Gate leaves loopholes in their policies so that those bad actors "in the know" can abuse them and martian in good standing. DH Gate has no desire to close them nor investigate such issues.
This creates a breading ground for scammers and those that have questionable practices that might otherwise be kicked off other platforms for the same practice. Definitely a lesson learned.
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Definitely a lesson learned.
Same. Thanks for sharing and warning this entire community to stay away from DHgate.<snipped>
Definitely a lesson learned.
You got valuable experience and a refund. Not the worst result. You might have got the meter and regretted buying it. Anyway thanks for sharing your experiences.
Perhaps they are overloaded due to some huge chinese shopping day a month ago comparable to black friday in the us.
But he is still selling this crap battery and eBay doesn't care either.I think eBay has a section that allows users to review the product itself. Perhaps do a 1 star review of it?
I hope someday eBay will improve this, when it gets too expensive for them. But I guess they don't care. If a scam works and not too many customers complain, because in the case of the battery they can't measure the capacity, then it is a win-win situation for eBay and the seller.At the end of the day, the comission over the sales is what matters. Amazon did the same when they opened their portal for anyone that wants to make a buck - so many threads talking about fake and bad products sold, but at least they display these reviews proeminently on the product page.
I think eBay has a section that allows users to review the product itself. Perhaps do a 1 star review of it?
Finally got a refund for my order from "Sturdy Tool&Lighting Store" as well, after multiple 10 days extension by Aliexpress when I opened the dispute. They handled it very professional. The seller provided a tracking number, so they couldn't be sure that I received it. After the dispute and refund was completed, I could leave a negative feedback as well.
They should really improve the tracking number system. If it were possible to look at the address associated with a tracking number, then such tracking number scams wouldn't be possible. But maybe for the cheap shipping services this would cost too much.
And I hope it is not like with eBay with this refund. Some weeks ago I bought a 18650 battery from a German eBay seller. Rated capacity was 8 times higher than measured capacity. The seller didn't want to refund, so I had to open a dispute at eBay and finally eBay refunded all. Then I asked the seller if he wants the battery back. But he answered that he doesn't care, because eBay paid the refund. At least I could leave a negative feedback as well. But he is still selling this crap battery and eBay doesn't care either.
I hope someday eBay will improve this, when it gets too expensive for them. But I guess they don't care. If a scam works and not too many customers complain, because in the case of the battery they can't measure the capacity, then it is a win-win situation for eBay and the seller.
How is it a win for Ebay?Let's think about this for a second... (that's all it takes).
If I understood what you said they paid the refund and they suffer the reputational loss from unhappy customers like yourself who post about it.That is a "Yes", followed by a "No".
They would care about both the reputation loss and the cost of the refund. I wouldn't expect them to check items because that would be too expensive.These points are correct, but the cost of the refund would simply be part of the cost of doing business. Besides, they would have some measures in place to recover those costs wherever possible.
How is it a win for Ebay?Let's think about this for a second... (that's all it takes).QuoteIf I understood what you said they paid the refund and they suffer the reputational loss from unhappy customers like yourself who post about it.That is a "Yes", followed by a "No".
Yes, they paid the refund - but by doing so, it wasn't eBay itself that suffered the reputational loss - it was the Seller. If anything, eBay gained in the reputation stakes by giving the refund. The only negative global effect on eBay is the reinforcement of the potential to find shady Sellers.QuoteThey would care about both the reputation loss and the cost of the refund. I wouldn't expect them to check items because that would be too expensive.These points are correct, but the cost of the refund would simply be part of the cost of doing business. Besides, they would have some measures in place to recover those costs wherever possible.
IfI understood Frankbuss correctly he seems to suggest Ebay get a win along with the seller in perpetuating the scams (as FB characterises it).
I think that isn't correct. and it also goes to suggest Ebay can benefit from shady transactions. I think Ebay want to ensure buyers have as little resistance to choosing to buy on Ebay and that it is in Ebay's interest to see buyers get the refund and buy again hopefully from a more reliable seller.
But the way they handle it, like that you can't leave a review for items which were disputed, and that they don't look into the details (I provided even the discharge curve), encourages such scams.Look at the helpdesk jobs, the people working there at most finished high school.
I wish they could have done it sooner once the vendor (Manbo Life Store) stated they couldn't ship and made several attempts to offer me a refund via Paypal. Which I repeatedly rejected because it just sounded shifty. You can't pay with PP on Aliexpress as far as I can tell so refunds by that method would just be invisible to Aliexpress.
And don't forget to rate them, too, with appropriate comments, like "scammed shipment tracking ID" etc.Good point. I was going to just wash my hands of them but downrating them would help others. I will.
Mine is also marked as delivered by all sellers But is a deliver that the track does not work or update, as usual, finally yesterday, they assume with excuses, Be ready for the same on your orders, The fact only very few people had the meter really shipped, I'm on an early bird on this, bought few minutes after the post ( not the video ).
sorenkir appear to be ones of those who will receive the meter
I just got my refund and I left a 1 star review.Mine is also marked as delivered by all sellers But is a deliver that the track does not work or update, as usual, finally yesterday, they assume with excuses, Be ready for the same on your orders, The fact only very few people had the meter really shipped, I'm on an early bird on this, bought few minutes after the post ( not the video ).
sorenkir appear to be ones of those who will receive the meter
After 2 monthes, still nothing!
I opened a dispute, the seller proposed a PayPal refund and eventually I got a direct refund from AliExpress.
Michel.
Where do you get an ADS1232 for $0.59(Finding >$4/ea for reels)? I'm also not seeing the LTC1446 for $3.07(Finding >$8/ea for reels).
Where do you get an ADS1232 for $0.59(Finding >$4/ea for reels)? I'm also not seeing the LTC1446 for $3.07(Finding >$8/ea for reels).
$3.43/ea https://www.ti.com/store/ti/en/p/product/?p=ADS1232IPWR&HQS=OCB-tistore-null-storeinv-invf-store-octopart-wwe (https://www.ti.com/store/ti/en/p/product/?p=ADS1232IPWR&HQS=OCB-tistore-null-storeinv-invf-store-octopart-wwe)
I just bought some on taobao for ~$1.50 (not tested yet..), so 59c is crazy cheap.
LTC1446 is quite old, can be found for even less, but yeah definitely not from a trusted distributor at that price.