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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #50 on: August 30, 2020, 12:04:14 pm »
Question to ponder:
Let's say this can magically scale to an EV sized battery. The radiation never stops producing energy, energy unless consumed in some other way will be given off as heat. Where does the waste heat go?
Useful on spacecaft, you can heat your electronics with it. In an EV, not so much...
My opinion on this it might have a low radiation leakage . If you remember way back they banned the old luminous watches as they gave off radiation .
As they could be a health hazard .
The Governments has Millions of tons of Nuke wast . and would cost $
$ millions to dump.   :wtf:
By putting a few ug of waste into trillions of batteries /TV remote's etc.etc
and sell them to us i.e. the dumb public . they solve their problem & make money
as well in the deal .. and when people start taking them a Part to see how they
work .. ( No names mentioned Dave ) And become ill from some weird poisoning
They win again Medical services etc . And the EKG they but us on does it also have these leaking Radiation cells ??
If my old luminous watch made a Geiger counter tick what do a dozen of these do!!  :scared: 
 And the waste heat is this infrared?? or some thing else heat radiation can
emanate as other unknowns  maybe harmful or not we are taking their word
 for this  :palm:

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #52 on: August 30, 2020, 03:11:54 pm »
Here's the competing technology, as noted in EDN...

« Last Edit: August 30, 2020, 04:58:35 pm by tggzzz »
There are lies, damned lies, statistics - and ADC/DAC specs.
Glider pilot's aphorism: "there is no substitute for span". Retort: "There is a substitute: skill+imagination. But you can buy span".
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #53 on: August 30, 2020, 04:55:45 pm »
Just love the phrase .
When the card senses a Power failure, EXPLOSIVE Bolts eject Moderator and control rods from the reactor's interior
within 20 us ..
This has a full rating of 20KW  That would power a few houses .
The BS battery is only 20uw   :-DD

  This would be worth having . A nuke in the cellar  >:D
 & The 200ft extension cord bit short ... I would op for a 2000 mtr   :-+
  + you can use 12 MS dos disk as a blast shield..
  & only $2.3 million   ... is that on  "Ali_achbar_explosive . com"

Cool find    :popcorn:
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #54 on: August 30, 2020, 04:59:54 pm »
Just love the phrase .
When the card senses a Power failure, EXPLOSIVE Bolts eject Moderator and control rods from the reactor's interior
within 20 us ..
This has a full rating of 20KW  That would power a few houses .
The BS battery is only 20uw   :-DD

  This would be worth having . A nuke in the cellar  >:D
 & The 200ft extension cord bit short ... I would op for a 2000 mtr   :-+
  + you can use 12 MS dos disk as a blast shield..
 
Cool find    :popcorn:

Re-finding it is more appropriate. I found that in '86.

Personally I like the delivery schedule
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #55 on: August 30, 2020, 07:17:00 pm »
The 23 volume evacuation manual  is a Must have   :-DD
The Blank form were not really to post . They were for the WC .
 Page 22 the instruction read
  "put your head between your Legs ... and Kiss your Ass good Bye.   >:D :wtf:

I have seen this manual cool reading . it was in an old Archive library in a high tec company
 I use to work for night shift got boring . many moons ago.

 I don't think that any of these were actual manufactured .
 and was started as a Bad April fools prank .  note the date April 1986

  There is a photo of Regus Patoff  (comic character )

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #56 on: August 30, 2020, 07:36:32 pm »
Here's the competing technology, as noted in EDN...



LOL, that April Fools reactor's price happens to be 2.3 million, the exact same figure as NDB's year one investment.

A coincidence?
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #57 on: August 30, 2020, 08:01:39 pm »
Quote
LOL, that April Fools reactor's price happens to be 2.3 million, the exact same figure as NDB's year one investment.

A coincidence?


 Yes.. it is Just an April fool ..  Look close at the picture .. scsi top casing module from a prototype
 that was being made in the same FAB . also just think for a moment 20kw reactor will great
too much heat to just have a H2o2 cooling system under the desk ..  :-DD
Regus Patoff   Taken from the comic ..  HA Ha its still fooling  :-DD :-DD :-DD
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #58 on: August 31, 2020, 12:05:42 am »
Is 100uW the continuous output or just the peak from the supercap?
 
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #59 on: August 31, 2020, 08:51:11 pm »
Is 100uW the continuous output or just the peak from the supercap?

It would be continuous.
The supercap is a completely different product. Its the AA battery form factor, which is just a design idea, not anything close to being made yet. Someone in the comments pointed out the PCB render was just a generic TP4056 charger board they grabbed online.
 
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #60 on: August 31, 2020, 11:21:10 pm »
Is 100uW the continuous output or just the peak from the supercap?
It would be continuous.
The supercap is a completely different product. Its the AA battery form factor, which is just a design idea, not anything close to being made yet.

So is the 100uW DIP chip  :-DD
 
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #61 on: September 01, 2020, 12:38:07 am »
Is 100uW the continuous output or just the peak from the supercap?
It would be continuous.
The supercap is a completely different product. Its the AA battery form factor, which is just a design idea, not anything close to being made yet.

So is the 100uW DIP chip  :-DD

100uW DIP chip that supplies power in all four directions.  Key selling point you missed there.

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #62 on: September 01, 2020, 01:15:37 am »
  There is a photo of Regus Patoff  (comic character )

Yes PO Box U-235  ::)
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #63 on: September 01, 2020, 02:28:48 am »
So is the 100uW DIP chip  :-DD
100uW DIP chip that supplies power in all four directions.  Key selling point you missed there.

I could have sworn the 'D' in "DIP" stood for "Dual".  :popcorn:
 

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #64 on: September 01, 2020, 05:17:00 am »
Saw this in the Google news feed today.

https://www.mining.com/nano-diamond-battery-that-lasts-for-28000-years-closer-to-becoming-commercial-product/

What does "40% charge" even mean???
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #65 on: September 01, 2020, 05:29:57 am »
Applications:

1. remote controls (TV, radio, garage door opener, etc):

Is there even enough energy for 2 or 3 hours of steady clicking? How powerful are those IR LEDs... 20 mA?
 

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #66 on: September 01, 2020, 05:38:54 am »
I just don't get the somewhat vicious negativity towards this thing.

What don't you get about scams? They're nothing new in Silicon Valley.

suppose that the're able to stuff lets say 100 of that DIP chip structures into a single modern package

You weren't paying attention. It's an energy source based on a radioactive substance. The volume is dictated by the quantity of that substance. It's not an electronic circuit that you can just scale down.

But it doesn't matter. Until we see a prototype, the device only exists in someone's imagination.
 

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« Reply #67 on: September 01, 2020, 05:44:07 am »
it will always have to be in a fully hermetic package, simply because you need to protect the inside carbon from oxygen, and also because to collect the electrons you will need a fairly high grade vacuum

The CEO claims that the device "requires access to natural air in order to power devices"
 

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #68 on: September 01, 2020, 05:49:28 am »
Saw this in the Google news feed today.

Three people have forwarded this to me in the last couple of days. I point out that it's about enough for a TV remote control but it'll cost as much as the TV and their reply is, "Well, it's just the first step".

 

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #69 on: September 01, 2020, 07:06:19 am »
A lot of nuclear batteries these days: https://www.wired.com/story/are-radioactive-diamond-batteries-a-cure-for-nuclear-waste/

Arkenlight, on the other hand, seems like a very legit company. Wired also does a proper job of reporting on it (unlike Techcrunch, who just repeated all the BS in NDBs press release unquestioned). Arkenlight also seems to think NDB is not a legit company
 

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #70 on: September 01, 2020, 09:07:40 am »
Hey Guys (and Girls) i saw a documentary or some similar about small transmitter who help resercher tracking Birds. The send only some thiny burst. So how about such system who store the energy and send them out as a burst in some ms or pico s?
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #71 on: September 01, 2020, 10:18:09 am »
Hey Guys (and Girls) i saw a documentary or some similar about small transmitter who help resercher tracking Birds. The send only some thiny burst. So how about such system who store the energy and send them out as a burst in some ms or pico s?

Nobody's denying that there might be niche applications for these. The problem is:
* In your application a CR2032 coin cell will probably work better/cheaper - birds don't live for 23,000 years so no need for this
* These batteries don't exist yet, all there is is a 3D rendered picture of a chip with a logo on it.
* These batteries aren't going to "revolutionize" anything. They won't charge your phone, they certainly won't power a car, as claimed.
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #72 on: September 01, 2020, 10:55:23 am »
  There is a photo of Regus Patoff  (comic character )

Yes PO Box U-235  ::)
You also forgot the delivery Time Seven years ..  .. I hope someone kept their 12inch floppy drive
  it should be arriving  any time sooooon .  :-DD   
 The Power connection not shown in the picture are on the bottom 2 ceramic 1inch BSF  terminals mounts.
 20kw @ voltage un really high.
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« Reply #73 on: September 02, 2020, 01:51:21 am »
And the DIP and QFP package images are now both completely gone from the Newatlas article! Replaced with the AA image.
And this page claims they have funding from Alchemist Accelerator, but there is no mention of this on their website at all.

https://angel.co/company/ndbtechnology/funding
 

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« Reply #74 on: September 02, 2020, 02:57:38 am »
How could you tell that the 100uW was coming from the nuclear diamond battery.  It's such a small figure that for all we know, it may just be the diamond tuning into and rectifying some local radio broadcast...

I bet I can get more DC power from an AM crystal radio's germanium diode with a good antenna tuned into a strong local station.
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