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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #50 on: August 30, 2020, 04:59:54 pm »
Just love the phrase .
When the card senses a Power failure, EXPLOSIVE Bolts eject Moderator and control rods from the reactor's interior
within 20 us ..
This has a full rating of 20KW  That would power a few houses .
The BS battery is only 20uw   :-DD

  This would be worth having . A nuke in the cellar  >:D
 & The 200ft extension cord bit short ... I would op for a 2000 mtr   :-+
  + you can use 12 MS dos disk as a blast shield..
 
Cool find    :popcorn:

Re-finding it is more appropriate. I found that in '86.

Personally I like the delivery schedule
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #51 on: August 30, 2020, 07:17:00 pm »
The 23 volume evacuation manual  is a Must have   :-DD
The Blank form were not really to post . They were for the WC .
 Page 22 the instruction read
  "put your head between your Legs ... and Kiss your Ass good Bye.   >:D :wtf:

I have seen this manual cool reading . it was in an old Archive library in a high tec company
 I use to work for night shift got boring . many moons ago.

 I don't think that any of these were actual manufactured .
 and was started as a Bad April fools prank .  note the date April 1986

  There is a photo of Regus Patoff  (comic character )

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #52 on: August 30, 2020, 07:36:32 pm »
Here's the competing technology, as noted in EDN...



LOL, that April Fools reactor's price happens to be 2.3 million, the exact same figure as NDB's year one investment.

A coincidence?
 

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #53 on: August 30, 2020, 08:01:39 pm »
Quote
LOL, that April Fools reactor's price happens to be 2.3 million, the exact same figure as NDB's year one investment.

A coincidence?


 Yes.. it is Just an April fool ..  Look close at the picture .. scsi top casing module from a prototype
 that was being made in the same FAB . also just think for a moment 20kw reactor will great
too much heat to just have a H2o2 cooling system under the desk ..  :-DD
Regus Patoff   Taken from the comic ..  HA Ha its still fooling  :-DD :-DD :-DD
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #54 on: August 31, 2020, 12:05:42 am »
Is 100uW the continuous output or just the peak from the supercap?
 
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #55 on: August 31, 2020, 08:51:11 pm »
Is 100uW the continuous output or just the peak from the supercap?

It would be continuous.
The supercap is a completely different product. Its the AA battery form factor, which is just a design idea, not anything close to being made yet. Someone in the comments pointed out the PCB render was just a generic TP4056 charger board they grabbed online.
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #56 on: August 31, 2020, 11:21:10 pm »
Is 100uW the continuous output or just the peak from the supercap?
It would be continuous.
The supercap is a completely different product. Its the AA battery form factor, which is just a design idea, not anything close to being made yet.

So is the 100uW DIP chip  :-DD
 
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #57 on: September 01, 2020, 12:38:07 am »
Is 100uW the continuous output or just the peak from the supercap?
It would be continuous.
The supercap is a completely different product. Its the AA battery form factor, which is just a design idea, not anything close to being made yet.

So is the 100uW DIP chip  :-DD

100uW DIP chip that supplies power in all four directions.  Key selling point you missed there.

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #58 on: September 01, 2020, 01:15:37 am »
  There is a photo of Regus Patoff  (comic character )

Yes PO Box U-235  ::)
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #59 on: September 01, 2020, 02:28:48 am »
So is the 100uW DIP chip  :-DD
100uW DIP chip that supplies power in all four directions.  Key selling point you missed there.

I could have sworn the 'D' in "DIP" stood for "Dual".  :popcorn:
 

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #60 on: September 01, 2020, 05:17:00 am »
Saw this in the Google news feed today.

https://www.mining.com/nano-diamond-battery-that-lasts-for-28000-years-closer-to-becoming-commercial-product/

What does "40% charge" even mean???
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #61 on: September 01, 2020, 05:29:57 am »
Applications:

1. remote controls (TV, radio, garage door opener, etc):

Is there even enough energy for 2 or 3 hours of steady clicking? How powerful are those IR LEDs... 20 mA?
 

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #62 on: September 01, 2020, 05:38:54 am »
I just don't get the somewhat vicious negativity towards this thing.

What don't you get about scams? They're nothing new in Silicon Valley.

suppose that the're able to stuff lets say 100 of that DIP chip structures into a single modern package

You weren't paying attention. It's an energy source based on a radioactive substance. The volume is dictated by the quantity of that substance. It's not an electronic circuit that you can just scale down.

But it doesn't matter. Until we see a prototype, the device only exists in someone's imagination.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #63 on: September 01, 2020, 05:44:07 am »
it will always have to be in a fully hermetic package, simply because you need to protect the inside carbon from oxygen, and also because to collect the electrons you will need a fairly high grade vacuum

The CEO claims that the device "requires access to natural air in order to power devices"
 

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #64 on: September 01, 2020, 05:49:28 am »
Saw this in the Google news feed today.

Three people have forwarded this to me in the last couple of days. I point out that it's about enough for a TV remote control but it'll cost as much as the TV and their reply is, "Well, it's just the first step".

 

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #65 on: September 01, 2020, 09:07:40 am »
Hey Guys (and Girls) i saw a documentary or some similar about small transmitter who help resercher tracking Birds. The send only some thiny burst. So how about such system who store the energy and send them out as a burst in some ms or pico s?
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #66 on: September 01, 2020, 10:18:09 am »
Hey Guys (and Girls) i saw a documentary or some similar about small transmitter who help resercher tracking Birds. The send only some thiny burst. So how about such system who store the energy and send them out as a burst in some ms or pico s?

Nobody's denying that there might be niche applications for these. The problem is:
* In your application a CR2032 coin cell will probably work better/cheaper - birds don't live for 23,000 years so no need for this
* These batteries don't exist yet, all there is is a 3D rendered picture of a chip with a logo on it.
* These batteries aren't going to "revolutionize" anything. They won't charge your phone, they certainly won't power a car, as claimed.
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #67 on: September 01, 2020, 10:55:23 am »
  There is a photo of Regus Patoff  (comic character )

Yes PO Box U-235  ::)
You also forgot the delivery Time Seven years ..  .. I hope someone kept their 12inch floppy drive
  it should be arriving  any time sooooon .  :-DD   
 The Power connection not shown in the picture are on the bottom 2 ceramic 1inch BSF  terminals mounts.
 20kw @ voltage un really high.
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #68 on: September 02, 2020, 01:51:21 am »
And the DIP and QFP package images are now both completely gone from the Newatlas article! Replaced with the AA image.
And this page claims they have funding from Alchemist Accelerator, but there is no mention of this on their website at all.

https://angel.co/company/ndbtechnology/funding
 

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #69 on: September 02, 2020, 02:57:38 am »
How could you tell that the 100uW was coming from the nuclear diamond battery.  It's such a small figure that for all we know, it may just be the diamond tuning into and rectifying some local radio broadcast...

I bet I can get more DC power from an AM crystal radio's germanium diode with a good antenna tuned into a strong local station.
 
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #70 on: September 02, 2020, 03:08:51 am »
  There is a photo of Regus Patoff  (comic character )

Yes PO Box U-235  ::)
You also forgot the delivery Time Seven years ..  .. I hope someone kept their 12inch floppy drive
  it should be arriving  any time sooooon .  :-DD   
 The Power connection not shown in the picture are on the bottom 2 ceramic 1inch BSF  terminals mounts.
 20kw @ voltage un really high.
All the best to the author  Prof R. Patoff
Hun?  Don't they need to at least prove their claims to a any extent before selling any product.
Delivery Time Seven Centuries, not years.
How do they know the ICs and supercaps wont fail and rust a few hundred years in?
I will not throw out money on a battery which claims 28k years if it's only been in development for 6 years and manufactured during the last year.
How can they prove their 28K year claim?
If I'm going to buy a 28K year battery, I need proof it lasts at least a good century or two at a minimum.

At least the Oxford Electric Bell's battery has a proven 180 year track record.  If NDB cant show me at least this degree of proof, their BS.  Now if NDB said they would purchase the Oxford Electric Bell, dissect it's battery and replicate a modern version of it, then I would think about investing.


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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #71 on: September 02, 2020, 03:35:47 am »
How could you tell that the 100uW was coming from the nuclear diamond battery.  It's such a small figure that for all we know, it may just be the diamond tuning into and rectifying some local radio broadcast...

I bet I can get more DC power from an AM crystal radio's germanium diode with a good antenna tuned into a strong local station.

Good point. How much can ordinary/existing energy harvesting devices get?
 

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #72 on: September 02, 2020, 09:05:37 am »
And the DIP and QFP package images are now both completely gone from the Newatlas article! Replaced with the AA image.
And this page claims they have funding from Alchemist Accelerator, but there is no mention of this on their website at all.

https://angel.co/company/ndbtechnology/funding

Sounds like we have enough at this point to know for sure that this is a clear scam by someone with no intents to make anything. Their method of operation seem to be:
  • Copy-paste existing companies or start-ups, trends in the market, whatever. Chose a name and web addresses which make you similar to other companies (e.g. orb.group vs. orbgroup.co.uk/)
  • Add any number of buzzwords and world-problem-solving powers to your "tech"
  • Have an overwhelming, text-rich, "seemingly-technical-but-not-really" portfolio. Even better, be involved with multiple such "webpage-only" companies, such that it seems like you are really busy doing stuff.
  • Claim to be "present" in many places of the world by subscribing to any number of virtual "offices", e.g. from Regus https://www.regus.de/en-de/virtual-office?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI56yN5-_J6wIVhKZ3Ch06cAcuEAAYASAAEgLHvfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds. (I find it almost incredible that such a service can exist...)
  • ... profit?

I really wonder how well this works in the end. They got lucky this time around with Techcrunch unquestionably picking up on their press release (which is IMHO really the biggest issue here). Having a closer look at Arkenlight, it seems like that company has been one of the largest inspirations for NDB. Even their logos are very similar. Their CEO updated his comment I pictured above (attached here). They claim a journalist reached out to Lawrence Livermore Laboratory (which was name-dropped in the original NDB press release), and shockingly, Lawrence Livermore had never heard about NDB. Hopefully, someone will report on this soon and force Techcrunch to write an update article/officially redact the original article.

I've heard on the street that there is no prototype.
I might contact LL myself.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #73 on: September 02, 2020, 09:35:51 am »
Found the PRweb press release:
https://www.prweb.com/releases/ndb_inc_announces_major_technological_laboratory_breakthrough_for_the_first_universal_self_charging_nano_diamond_battery_first_beta_customers/prweb17347911.htm
https://archive.vn/EyMWA

They make very specific claims about many high profile people being involved, I might see if I can ask them to confirm...
 
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #74 on: September 02, 2020, 12:23:52 pm »
Yes, they include a lot of real people with real accomplishments (some of them are also listed on their Company page  https://ndb.technology/company/). I found that  none of them acknowledge any connection to NDB on their LinkedIn profiles at least. The pictures used on NDBs company page are generally cropped versions taken from Linked-In.

If they're in LinkedIn then it's really easy to drop them a line and ask if they know their name is being used to promote this.
 


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