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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #75 on: September 02, 2020, 03:08:51 am »
  There is a photo of Regus Patoff  (comic character )

Yes PO Box U-235  ::)
You also forgot the delivery Time Seven years ..  .. I hope someone kept their 12inch floppy drive
  it should be arriving  any time sooooon .  :-DD   
 The Power connection not shown in the picture are on the bottom 2 ceramic 1inch BSF  terminals mounts.
 20kw @ voltage un really high.
All the best to the author  Prof R. Patoff
Hun?  Don't they need to at least prove their claims to a any extent before selling any product.
Delivery Time Seven Centuries, not years.
How do they know the ICs and supercaps wont fail and rust a few hundred years in?
I will not throw out money on a battery which claims 28k years if it's only been in development for 6 years and manufactured during the last year.
How can they prove their 28K year claim?
If I'm going to buy a 28K year battery, I need proof it lasts at least a good century or two at a minimum.

At least the Oxford Electric Bell's battery has a proven 180 year track record.  If NDB cant show me at least this degree of proof, their BS.  Now if NDB said they would purchase the Oxford Electric Bell, dissect it's battery and replicate a modern version of it, then I would think about investing.


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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #76 on: September 02, 2020, 03:35:47 am »
How could you tell that the 100uW was coming from the nuclear diamond battery.  It's such a small figure that for all we know, it may just be the diamond tuning into and rectifying some local radio broadcast...

I bet I can get more DC power from an AM crystal radio's germanium diode with a good antenna tuned into a strong local station.

Good point. How much can ordinary/existing energy harvesting devices get?
 

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #77 on: September 02, 2020, 07:01:15 am »
And the DIP and QFP package images are now both completely gone from the Newatlas article! Replaced with the AA image.
And this page claims they have funding from Alchemist Accelerator, but there is no mention of this on their website at all.

https://angel.co/company/ndbtechnology/funding

Sounds like we have enough at this point to know for sure that this is a clear scam by someone with no intents to make anything. Their method of operation seem to be:
  • Copy-paste existing companies or start-ups, trends in the market, whatever. Chose a name and web addresses which make you similar to other companies (e.g. orb.group vs. orbgroup.co.uk/)
  • Add any number of buzzwords and world-problem-solving powers to your "tech"
  • Have an overwhelming, text-rich, "seemingly-technical-but-not-really" portfolio. Even better, be involved with multiple such "webpage-only" companies, such that it seems like you are really busy doing stuff.
  • Claim to be "present" in many places of the world by subscribing to any number of virtual "offices", e.g. from Regus https://www.regus.de/en-de/virtual-office?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI56yN5-_J6wIVhKZ3Ch06cAcuEAAYASAAEgLHvfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds. (I find it almost incredible that such a service can exist...)
  • ... profit?
I really wonder how well this works in the end. They got lucky this time around with Techcrunch unquestionably picking up on their press release (which is IMHO really the biggest issue here). Having a closer look at Arkenlight, it seems like that company has been one of the largest inspirations for NDB. Even their logos are very similar. Their CEO updated his comment I pictured above (attached here). They claim a journalist reached out to Lawrence Livermore Laboratory (which was name-dropped in the original NDB press release), and shockingly, Lawrence Livermore had never heard about NDB. Hopefully, someone will report on this soon and force Techcrunch to write an update article/officially redact the original article.
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #78 on: September 02, 2020, 09:05:37 am »
And the DIP and QFP package images are now both completely gone from the Newatlas article! Replaced with the AA image.
And this page claims they have funding from Alchemist Accelerator, but there is no mention of this on their website at all.

https://angel.co/company/ndbtechnology/funding

Sounds like we have enough at this point to know for sure that this is a clear scam by someone with no intents to make anything. Their method of operation seem to be:
  • Copy-paste existing companies or start-ups, trends in the market, whatever. Chose a name and web addresses which make you similar to other companies (e.g. orb.group vs. orbgroup.co.uk/)
  • Add any number of buzzwords and world-problem-solving powers to your "tech"
  • Have an overwhelming, text-rich, "seemingly-technical-but-not-really" portfolio. Even better, be involved with multiple such "webpage-only" companies, such that it seems like you are really busy doing stuff.
  • Claim to be "present" in many places of the world by subscribing to any number of virtual "offices", e.g. from Regus https://www.regus.de/en-de/virtual-office?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI56yN5-_J6wIVhKZ3Ch06cAcuEAAYASAAEgLHvfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds. (I find it almost incredible that such a service can exist...)
  • ... profit?

I really wonder how well this works in the end. They got lucky this time around with Techcrunch unquestionably picking up on their press release (which is IMHO really the biggest issue here). Having a closer look at Arkenlight, it seems like that company has been one of the largest inspirations for NDB. Even their logos are very similar. Their CEO updated his comment I pictured above (attached here). They claim a journalist reached out to Lawrence Livermore Laboratory (which was name-dropped in the original NDB press release), and shockingly, Lawrence Livermore had never heard about NDB. Hopefully, someone will report on this soon and force Techcrunch to write an update article/officially redact the original article.

I've heard on the street that there is no prototype.
I might contact LL myself.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #79 on: September 02, 2020, 09:35:51 am »
Found the PRweb press release:
https://www.prweb.com/releases/ndb_inc_announces_major_technological_laboratory_breakthrough_for_the_first_universal_self_charging_nano_diamond_battery_first_beta_customers/prweb17347911.htm
https://archive.vn/EyMWA

They make very specific claims about many high profile people being involved, I might see if I can ask them to confirm...
 
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« Reply #80 on: September 02, 2020, 10:14:36 am »
Found the PRweb press release:
https://www.prweb.com/releases/ndb_inc_announces_major_technological_laboratory_breakthrough_for_the_first_universal_self_charging_nano_diamond_battery_first_beta_customers/prweb17347911.htm
https://archive.vn/EyMWA

They make very specific claims about many high profile people being involved, I might see if I can ask them to confirm...

Yes, they include a lot of real people with real accomplishments (some of them are also listed on their Company page  https://ndb.technology/company/). I found that  none of them acknowledge any connection to NDB on their LinkedIn profiles at least. The pictures used on NDBs company page are generally cropped versions taken from Linked-In. I think it would be great if you could follow-up on this.
 
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #81 on: September 02, 2020, 12:23:52 pm »
Yes, they include a lot of real people with real accomplishments (some of them are also listed on their Company page  https://ndb.technology/company/). I found that  none of them acknowledge any connection to NDB on their LinkedIn profiles at least. The pictures used on NDBs company page are generally cropped versions taken from Linked-In.

If they're in LinkedIn then it's really easy to drop them a line and ask if they know their name is being used to promote this.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #82 on: September 02, 2020, 01:48:16 pm »
Yes, they include a lot of real people with real accomplishments (some of them are also listed on their Company page  https://ndb.technology/company/). I found that  none of them acknowledge any connection to NDB on their LinkedIn profiles at least. The pictures used on NDBs company page are generally cropped versions taken from Linked-In. I think it would be great if you could follow-up on this.

There was a plethora of real people with real accomplishments with uBeam, wasnt it.
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #83 on: September 02, 2020, 04:47:59 pm »
It’s not necessarily a scam. Just a not very useful product with extremely optimistic claims. We can’t prove their personal intentions one way or another.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #84 on: September 02, 2020, 06:10:41 pm »
How could you tell that the 100uW was coming from the nuclear diamond battery.  It's such a small figure that for all we know, it may just be the diamond tuning into and rectifying some local radio broadcast...


Good point. How much can ordinary/existing energy harvesting devices get?

Short all the terminal out . and Run and wait for the news to see what it was
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #85 on: September 02, 2020, 06:57:43 pm »
Did anyone notice the DIP is 22 pin (11+11)?
Rather nonstandard package....
 
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« Reply #86 on: September 02, 2020, 08:50:58 pm »
It’s not necessarily a scam. Just a not very useful product with extremely optimistic claims.

It's not actually a product... it's more of a "brochure" atm.

We can’t prove their personal intentions one way or another.

Not by the court-of-law definition of "prove", no.

But ... they're walking like ducks and quacking like ducks.  :-//
 

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« Reply #87 on: September 02, 2020, 11:34:55 pm »
Yes, they include a lot of real people with real accomplishments (some of them are also listed on their Company page  https://ndb.technology/company/). I found that  none of them acknowledge any connection to NDB on their LinkedIn profiles at least. The pictures used on NDBs company page are generally cropped versions taken from Linked-In. I think it would be great if you could follow-up on this.
There was a plethora of real people with real accomplishments with uBeam, wasnt it.

uBeam is very different.
It had major funding, and yes it did have some of the best talent in the world (I know several of them personally), and produced some excellent technology, but all that talent told Meredith it wasn't practical and that they should pivot into a niche. She didn't, so they all ultimately left.
 

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« Reply #88 on: September 02, 2020, 11:36:33 pm »
But ... they're walking like ducks and quacking like ducks.  :-//

It's amazing what you hear after you put out a public video like this  ;D
Yes, there is much waddling and quacking...
 

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #89 on: September 03, 2020, 07:26:01 am »
But ... they're walking like ducks and quacking like ducks.  :-//

It's amazing what you hear after you put out a public video like this  ;D
Yes, there is much waddling and quacking...

Plus they're not really bringing anything new to the table, these things exist.

 

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« Reply #90 on: September 05, 2020, 02:14:53 am »
It's still spreading.

"The battery can be used to power devices and machines of any size, from aircraft and rockets to electric vehicles and smartphones."


https://www.energylivenews.com/2020/09/02/us-startup-unveils-battery-made-from-nuclear-waste-that-could-last-up-to-28000-years/

 

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #91 on: September 05, 2020, 02:31:59 pm »
There is a practical use. Flash an LED every blue moon in my coffin. The entire circuit with the could be encapsulated in resin so it lasts until the Great Tribulation. At least I'll get some entertainment whilst waiting... waiting... waiting....

Notice the spelling on their AA cell (Dave seemed to have missed it). It says "Diamnond Battery." Along with the PTH pins on SMD parts, its a big red flag. I wonder if some of them work at the "Microsoft Help Desk" as their daytime job.
 
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« Reply #92 on: September 07, 2020, 03:18:43 am »
And coincidentally, orb.group have just removed all their old content:
https://orb.group/
Archive here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20200122153436/https://orb.group/



Their energy group is still there though:
https://orbep.com/
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« Reply #93 on: September 07, 2020, 03:23:23 am »
Plus they're not really bringing anything new to the table, these things exist.

Shame their prototype doesn't seem to exist either...
 

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #94 on: September 07, 2020, 01:31:52 pm »
There is a practical use. Flash an LED every blue moon in my coffin. The entire circuit with the could be encapsulated in resin so it lasts until the Great Tribulation. At least I'll get some entertainment whilst waiting... waiting... waiting....

Should be easy to do. 100uW is easily enough to power an Arduino in sleep mode with enough left over to charge a capacitor...
 

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #95 on: September 07, 2020, 02:42:02 pm »
There is a practical use. Flash an LED every blue moon in my coffin. The entire circuit with the could be encapsulated in resin so it lasts until the Great Tribulation. At least I'll get some entertainment whilst waiting... waiting... waiting....

Should be easy to do. 100uW is easily enough to power an Arduino in sleep mode with enough left over to charge a capacitor...
You would be better off planting a lemon tree an have a few copper & Zinc plates in a jam jars underneath
as the lemons fall from the tree you will have free energy and 3v @ 200 ma ..
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     :-+     Its also environmental friendly   :-+ 
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #96 on: September 08, 2020, 07:06:12 am »
Interesting. Application - watch industry for example. I would buy a wrist watch with this battery inside - no need to open the watch case for ~100 years would be a great option.
 

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« Reply #97 on: September 08, 2020, 08:20:16 am »
Interesting. Application - watch industry for example. I would buy a wrist watch with this battery inside - no need to open the watch case for ~100 years would be a great option.

I'm wearing a solar powered Casio G-Shock right now.

I can't see the solar panel anywhere but it definitely works - has a charge indicator.

(manual says it will run for six months in the dark)
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #98 on: September 08, 2020, 08:32:25 am »
Interesting. Application - watch industry for example. I would buy a wrist watch with this battery inside - no need to open the watch case for ~100 years would be a great option.

That's long been available with high-end purely mechanical wristwatches. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-winding_watch
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #99 on: September 08, 2020, 01:40:02 pm »
Interesting. Application - watch industry for example. I would buy a wrist watch with this battery inside - no need to open the watch case for ~100 years would be a great option.

I would be more interested to see the rest of the electronics inside, having a 100 year life span...

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