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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #75 on: September 02, 2020, 01:48:16 pm »
Yes, they include a lot of real people with real accomplishments (some of them are also listed on their Company page  https://ndb.technology/company/). I found that  none of them acknowledge any connection to NDB on their LinkedIn profiles at least. The pictures used on NDBs company page are generally cropped versions taken from Linked-In. I think it would be great if you could follow-up on this.

There was a plethora of real people with real accomplishments with uBeam, wasnt it.
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #76 on: September 02, 2020, 04:47:59 pm »
It’s not necessarily a scam. Just a not very useful product with extremely optimistic claims. We can’t prove their personal intentions one way or another.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #77 on: September 02, 2020, 06:10:41 pm »
How could you tell that the 100uW was coming from the nuclear diamond battery.  It's such a small figure that for all we know, it may just be the diamond tuning into and rectifying some local radio broadcast...


Good point. How much can ordinary/existing energy harvesting devices get?

Short all the terminal out . and Run and wait for the news to see what it was
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #78 on: September 02, 2020, 06:57:43 pm »
Did anyone notice the DIP is 22 pin (11+11)?
Rather nonstandard package....
 
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #79 on: September 02, 2020, 08:50:58 pm »
It’s not necessarily a scam. Just a not very useful product with extremely optimistic claims.

It's not actually a product... it's more of a "brochure" atm.

We can’t prove their personal intentions one way or another.

Not by the court-of-law definition of "prove", no.

But ... they're walking like ducks and quacking like ducks.  :-//
 

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #80 on: September 02, 2020, 11:34:55 pm »
Yes, they include a lot of real people with real accomplishments (some of them are also listed on their Company page  https://ndb.technology/company/). I found that  none of them acknowledge any connection to NDB on their LinkedIn profiles at least. The pictures used on NDBs company page are generally cropped versions taken from Linked-In. I think it would be great if you could follow-up on this.
There was a plethora of real people with real accomplishments with uBeam, wasnt it.

uBeam is very different.
It had major funding, and yes it did have some of the best talent in the world (I know several of them personally), and produced some excellent technology, but all that talent told Meredith it wasn't practical and that they should pivot into a niche. She didn't, so they all ultimately left.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #81 on: September 02, 2020, 11:36:33 pm »
But ... they're walking like ducks and quacking like ducks.  :-//

It's amazing what you hear after you put out a public video like this  ;D
Yes, there is much waddling and quacking...
 

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #82 on: September 03, 2020, 07:26:01 am »
But ... they're walking like ducks and quacking like ducks.  :-//

It's amazing what you hear after you put out a public video like this  ;D
Yes, there is much waddling and quacking...

Plus they're not really bringing anything new to the table, these things exist.

 

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #83 on: September 05, 2020, 02:14:53 am »
It's still spreading.

"The battery can be used to power devices and machines of any size, from aircraft and rockets to electric vehicles and smartphones."


https://www.energylivenews.com/2020/09/02/us-startup-unveils-battery-made-from-nuclear-waste-that-could-last-up-to-28000-years/

 

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #84 on: September 05, 2020, 02:31:59 pm »
There is a practical use. Flash an LED every blue moon in my coffin. The entire circuit with the could be encapsulated in resin so it lasts until the Great Tribulation. At least I'll get some entertainment whilst waiting... waiting... waiting....

Notice the spelling on their AA cell (Dave seemed to have missed it). It says "Diamnond Battery." Along with the PTH pins on SMD parts, its a big red flag. I wonder if some of them work at the "Microsoft Help Desk" as their daytime job.
 
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #85 on: September 07, 2020, 03:18:43 am »
And coincidentally, orb.group have just removed all their old content:
https://orb.group/
Archive here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20200122153436/https://orb.group/



Their energy group is still there though:
https://orbep.com/
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #86 on: September 07, 2020, 03:23:23 am »
Plus they're not really bringing anything new to the table, these things exist.

Shame their prototype doesn't seem to exist either...
 

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #87 on: September 07, 2020, 01:31:52 pm »
There is a practical use. Flash an LED every blue moon in my coffin. The entire circuit with the could be encapsulated in resin so it lasts until the Great Tribulation. At least I'll get some entertainment whilst waiting... waiting... waiting....

Should be easy to do. 100uW is easily enough to power an Arduino in sleep mode with enough left over to charge a capacitor...
 

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #88 on: September 07, 2020, 02:42:02 pm »
There is a practical use. Flash an LED every blue moon in my coffin. The entire circuit with the could be encapsulated in resin so it lasts until the Great Tribulation. At least I'll get some entertainment whilst waiting... waiting... waiting....

Should be easy to do. 100uW is easily enough to power an Arduino in sleep mode with enough left over to charge a capacitor...
You would be better off planting a lemon tree an have a few copper & Zinc plates in a jam jars underneath
as the lemons fall from the tree you will have free energy and 3v @ 200 ma ..
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #89 on: September 08, 2020, 07:06:12 am »
Interesting. Application - watch industry for example. I would buy a wrist watch with this battery inside - no need to open the watch case for ~100 years would be a great option.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #90 on: September 08, 2020, 08:20:16 am »
Interesting. Application - watch industry for example. I would buy a wrist watch with this battery inside - no need to open the watch case for ~100 years would be a great option.

I'm wearing a solar powered Casio G-Shock right now.

I can't see the solar panel anywhere but it definitely works - has a charge indicator.

(manual says it will run for six months in the dark)
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #91 on: September 08, 2020, 08:32:25 am »
Interesting. Application - watch industry for example. I would buy a wrist watch with this battery inside - no need to open the watch case for ~100 years would be a great option.

That's long been available with high-end purely mechanical wristwatches. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-winding_watch
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #92 on: September 08, 2020, 01:40:02 pm »
Interesting. Application - watch industry for example. I would buy a wrist watch with this battery inside - no need to open the watch case for ~100 years would be a great option.

I would be more interested to see the rest of the electronics inside, having a 100 year life span...

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #93 on: October 01, 2020, 04:28:27 pm »
University of Bristol responds to Dave's debunking video.

https://newatlas.com/energy/arkenlight-nuclear-diamond-batteries/


They are working on putting it in pacemakers, but apparently it doesn't scale up.

"The amount of carbon-14 you'd need to power a cell phone would ... require a mass greater than the phone itself."
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #94 on: October 01, 2020, 09:39:45 pm »
University of Bristol responds to Dave's debunking video.

https://newatlas.com/energy/arkenlight-nuclear-diamond-batteries/


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The second thing is that this is a major game changer. We now have efficiencies where this becomes commercially relevant. It would still be considered a microbattery, but say for example, 200 microwatts. That's how much energy is needed to power a pacemaker.

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For a single microwatt, we're talking about something 4 mm x 4 mm (0.15 x 0.15 in) in width and length, that's very, very shallow. The size of a fingernail, but thinner. You can mechanically stack these in any number.

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Well, a device that's 10-mm (0.39-in) square, and less than 0.5 mm (0.019 in) in depth, would yield tens of microwatts. The amount of carbon-14 you'd need to power a cell phone would be about the size of a tub of vegetable spread. It can be done, but the physical bounds of carbon-14 diamond would require a mass greater than the phone itself.

So nothing has really changed here.

AA battery = 50x14mm = 2500mm2
4x4x0.5mm claimed 1uW = 8mm2
So theoretically a perfectly packed AA battery would be ~300uW. Which is not bad, but realistically with the supercap and other stuff in there, ~100uW sounds about right.
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #95 on: October 01, 2020, 10:50:11 pm »
 :-DD  Well it depend what are you want to do with that energy. A Traditional Smartphone draw a lot of power for sure. There you can replace then but a Pacemaker? Do you want get cut open for a recharge?  :scared:
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #96 on: October 02, 2020, 02:05:58 am »
:-DD  Well it depend what are you want to do with that energy. A Traditional Smartphone draw a lot of power for sure. There you can replace then but a Pacemaker? Do you want get cut open for a recharge?  :scared:

It's almost as if you don't know you can charge phones wirelessly these days.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #97 on: October 02, 2020, 09:37:18 am »
Sure I do but when there is a huge power outage like a Hurricane would you like hear a beep who maybe indicate that you should recharge your pacemaker?
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #98 on: October 02, 2020, 04:35:01 pm »
https://newatlas.com/energy/arkenlight-nuclear-diamond-batteries/

Looks like NDB has patents issues now. Arkenlight has the diamond patent.
 
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Re: EEVblog #1333 - Nano Diamond Self-Charging Battery DEBUNKED!
« Reply #99 on: October 03, 2020, 02:39:26 am »
Sure I do but when there is a huge power outage like a Hurricane would you like hear a beep who maybe indicate that you should recharge your pacemaker?

They don't actually recharge them AFAIK. The pacemaker is under the skin near the surface and they replace the entire thing every ten years, battery and all.

And (b): Modern pacemakers are passive. They only kick in when they detect your heart going out of rhythm. You can live perfectly without one so long as you don't do anything strenuous like fighting off zombies.
 


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