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EEVblog 1441 - Electric Buses are NOT a SCAM (Adam Something)

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--- Quote from: nctnico on December 22, 2021, 09:16:47 am ---In the end it is better to compare cost based on distance travelled (cost per km) instead of obsessing over seemingly big ticket items.

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And that's what the local private bus company has done here in Sydney. The numbers are clear, EV's win hands down on cost alone, let alone the other huge benefits of reduced polution, maintenance, and smooth and silent operation. And we have zero EV government subsidies here.
Since my videos on this, a large number of people in other cities have said the same thing, the local companies are moving to EV's for the same reasons.
I'm not aware of a company that has tried them and gone nope, we are going back to diesel buses.

nctnico:
In the end it all comes down to costs and fuel/energy costs are the most significant cost factor of operating any vehicle. If electricity prices go up then diesel may be cheaper to run:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-14/u-k-freight-train-operator-turns-to-diesel-as-electricity-soars

thm_w:

--- Quote from: nctnico on December 23, 2021, 02:17:33 pm ---In the end it all comes down to costs and fuel/energy costs are the most significant cost factor of operating any vehicle. If electricity prices go up then diesel may be cheaper to run:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-14/u-k-freight-train-operator-turns-to-diesel-as-electricity-soars

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Sure, but any sensible country will have flat or reducing energy costs over time as they rely more on renewables.


--- Quote ---Most of the UK’s electricity is produced by burning fossil fuels, mainly natural gas (42% in 2016) and coal (9% in 2016). 21% of our electricity comes from nuclear reactors, in which uranium atoms are split up to produce heat using a process known as fission. The UK’s nuclear power stations will close gradually over the next decade or so, with all but one expected to stop running by 2035. Renewable technologies use natural energy to make electricity. Fuel sources include wind, wave, marine, hydro, biomass and solar. It made up 24.5% of electricity generated in 2016
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--- Quote ---Nuclear energy averages 0.4 euro ¢/kWh, much the same as hydro; coal is over 4.0 ¢/kWh (4.1-7.3), gas ranges 1.3-2.3 ¢/kWh and only wind shows up better than nuclear, at 0.1-0.2 ¢/kWh average.
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EEVblog:

--- Quote from: nctnico on December 23, 2021, 02:17:33 pm ---In the end it all comes down to costs and fuel/energy costs are the most significant cost factor of operating any vehicle. If electricity prices go up then diesel may be cheaper to run:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-14/u-k-freight-train-operator-turns-to-diesel-as-electricity-soars

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With electric busses though you can always invest in the solar charging infrastructure yourself to offset the ongoing cost. Bus depots usually have no shortage of surface area to put panels.

james_s:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on December 23, 2021, 11:40:18 pm ---With electric busses though you can always invest in the solar charging infrastructure yourself to offset the ongoing cost. Bus depots usually have no shortage of surface area to put panels.

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Not to mention buses themselves have large, flat roofs and being utilitarian vehicles they are not nearly as bound by the whims of consumer fashion and styling. They are one of the few vehicles where it might actually make sense to put solar panels on top of them, if only to make up for the draw from the HVAC and auxiliary stuff.

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