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EEVblog #321 - Google Nexus 7 Tablet Teardown
« on: July 24, 2012, 02:38:33 pm »


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Re: EEVblog #321 - Google Nexus 7 Tablet Teardown
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2012, 02:59:29 pm »
GLONASS is useful because the network is complete and supplies almost as much satellites as GPS. While you may receive 6 satellites from GPS at a specific moment, you may actually also receive additional 6 from GLONASS. Combined you have 12, so you get better accuracy :) I believe many receiver chips come with both frontend these days.

I have 'sat' behind some RTK DGPS receivers for days (project.. :) ) and with GPS+GLONASS I never saw it drop below 9 or 10 satellites in total. And that wasn't even in an open field (office with antenna on the roof)..

Funny, according to Maxim the MAX77612  doesn't even exists  :-\

Oh, here is more:
http://www.ubmtechinsights.com/uploadedImages/Public_Website/Content_-_Primary/Teardowns/2012/Google_Nexus_7/google-nexus-7-comm-front.jpg (FRONT)
http://www.ubmtechinsights.com/uploadedImages/Public_Website/Content_-_Primary/Teardowns/2012/Google_Nexus_7/google-nexus-7-comm-back.jpg (BACK)
So indeed, FLASH and more SDRAM on the back, and the audio and display driver chipsets.
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Re: EEVblog #321 - Google Nexus 7 Tablet Teardown
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2012, 03:50:15 pm »
If you knock two digits off that Maxim part you get the MAX776 a -15V or Adjustable, High-Efficiency, Low IQ Inverting DC-to-DC Controller.

"Negative LCD Bias Supply Is Capable of Generating Very High Negative Voltages, Delivers Up to 1A"

Webpage: http://www.maxim-ic.com/datasheet/index.mvp/id/1177
Datasheet: http://datasheets.maxim-ic.com/en/ds/MAX774-MAX776.pdf

But the above part isn't available in a BGA package. So either MAX77612A is a completely different part or it's the above part in a BGA package.

Although I'm not sure why you would want a BGA package for a 8 pin device...
 

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Re: EEVblog #321 - Google Nexus 7 Tablet Teardown
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2012, 06:32:21 pm »
in the power supply section you missed out the big flip chip device right off and below the inductors ( silvery chip )
that is actually a naked pieceof silicon with solder balls deposited straight on the die so it looks like a bga.

you don't see too manyoftose , unless in smartphones where integration is even tighter
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Re: EEVblog #321 - Google Nexus 7 Tablet Teardown
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2012, 06:42:59 pm »
I will guess the cutout with nothing in it in the top is for the rear facing camera in the REV2 version.
 

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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2012, 08:23:14 pm »
i hope you pressed that copper foil back where it was and approx same places before you pulled it up, i bet it acts as heatsink on that tegra too not just emi shielding
 

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Re: EEVblog #321 - Google Nexus 7 Tablet Teardown
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2012, 08:36:20 pm »
My first smartphone was a Asus P320 and clearly they still keep the same sensible all-out circuit design that they did!
i hope you pressed that copper foil back where it was and approx same places before you pulled it up, i bet it acts as heatsink on that tegra too not just emi shielding

Yes, it's a heatsink too. since looking at the IHS on the tegra 3... it can draw quite a bit of power. Still not half as much as the outdated iPad 3
 

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Re: EEVblog #321 - Google Nexus 7 Tablet Teardown
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2012, 09:46:37 pm »
I'm not sure a thin piece of copper will do anything to cool the processor.

I would say it's there for sheilding and no other reason!
 

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Re: EEVblog #321 - Google Nexus 7 Tablet Teardown
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2012, 10:58:09 pm »
The reason for the epoxy on the corners of the NVidia Tegra is that this is a mobile device and the Tegra is a BGA device. If the Nexus is shocked by dropping it, then the circuit board will flex and this plays havoc with BGAs by cracking its balls. I know I have had to change 1000s of em (very expensive parts). The physically weakest points of any BGA are the corners. This is because the corner balls there have the least support from the balls around it and so get the most stress. When I troubleshoot boards with BGAs the problems are most often with signals near the corners of the BGA parts. Second most likely are along the sides. I used to keep a notebook and track failures with drawings of the bad ball locations and it showed the significance of this problem. If the board is never shocked (in shipping or customers dropping it or whatever) the BGAs are very reliable. Anyway, the epoxy is to add support for those weak areas. I really hate BGAs in portable products though it depends on the mechanical design of the chassis and board mount positions. I wonder how well the epoxy method works.
 

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Re: EEVblog #321 - Google Nexus 7 Tablet Teardown
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2012, 01:02:44 am »
I'm 4th on Youtube search for "Nexus 7 teardown" already, and 2nd for "google nexus 7 teardown", behind the iFixIt chick.
That search engine works quick...

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Re: EEVblog #321 - Google Nexus 7 Tablet Teardown
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2012, 01:23:40 am »
I'm 4th on Youtube search for "Nexus 7 teardown" already, and 2nd for "google nexus 7 teardown", behind the iFixIt chick.
That search engine works quick...

Dave.

Probably helps that a Google employee reshared my G+ post about the teardown internally less than ten minutes after I made it. Not just the engine which works fast.
 

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Re: EEVblog #321 - Google Nexus 7 Tablet Teardown
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2012, 02:34:06 am »
Probably helps that a Google employee reshared my G+ post about the teardown internally less than ten minutes after I made it. Not just the engine which works fast.

Can you drop a hint that Google should fix the inability to reply to YouTube comments if you have a G+ account? That is getting old really fast...
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Re: EEVblog #321 - Google Nexus 7 Tablet Teardown
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2012, 02:58:38 am »
Probably helps that a Google employee reshared my G+ post about the teardown internally less than ten minutes after I made it. Not just the engine which works fast.

Can you drop a hint that Google should fix the inability to reply to YouTube comments if you have a G+ account? That is getting old really fast...

They're aware of the issue. It's flaky, sometimes you can, sometimes you can't.
 

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« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2012, 03:06:13 am »
They're aware of the issue. It's flaky, sometimes you can, sometimes you can't.

Always I can't.
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Re: EEVblog #321 - Google Nexus 7 Tablet Teardown
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2012, 04:47:15 am »
I do not have that problem ( touches wood/head) as the commens always work for me.
 

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« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2012, 12:26:22 pm »
They're aware of the issue. It's flaky, sometimes you can, sometimes you can't.

Always I can't.

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Re: EEVblog #321 - Google Nexus 7 Tablet Teardown
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2012, 02:52:00 pm »
I think the copper is for heat dissipation. If it were primarily for shielding, there are much cheaper alternatives, like aluminium.

What is the thing that looks like a mini-SD or SIM socket?
 

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Re: EEVblog #321 - Google Nexus 7 Tablet Teardown
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2012, 03:02:34 pm »
I'm not sure a thin piece of copper will do anything to cool the processor.

I would say it's there for sheilding and no other reason!
copper is pretty good heat conductor even in form of that 0.5mm foil that mobile tegra i doubt will generate that much heat what this huge copper foil couldnt handle, i bet the shell of the whole device is magnesium alloy too. so it will acts as a bigger heatsink
 

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« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2012, 04:03:17 pm »
I wonder's what's the retails price going to be when this thing hits mid-eastern europe. As far as i know in UK it's been priced at ~200-250 pounds for 16GB version retail. It closely approaches the price tag which is not acceptable for a TOY/gadget (let's face it - you can get full featured Asus/Acer netbook for that price).
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« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2012, 04:05:41 pm »
I wonder's what's the retails price going to be when this thing hits mid-eastern europe. As far as i know in UK it's been priced at ~200-250 pounds for 16GB version retail. It closely approaches the price tag which is not acceptable for a TOY/gadget (let's face it - you can get full featured Asus/Acer netbook for that price).

8GB = £159.00
16GB = £199.00
 

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Re: EEVblog #321 - Google Nexus 7 Tablet Teardown
« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2012, 08:58:11 pm »
I think the copper is for heat dissipation. If it were primarily for shielding, there are much cheaper alternatives, like aluminium.

What is the thing that looks like a mini-SD or SIM socket?

Aluminum is a very poor shielding material, that's why you normally either see the steel can or copper foil shielding used. For an equivalent amount of shielding, you need a significantly thicker amount of aluminum when comparing against copper.
 

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« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2012, 08:33:34 am »
I wonder's what's the retails price going to be when this thing hits mid-eastern europe. As far as i know in UK it's been priced at ~200-250 pounds for 16GB version retail. It closely approaches the price tag which is not acceptable for a TOY/gadget (let's face it - you can get full featured Asus/Acer netbook for that price).

ANDDDD... So the 400pound ( about there, at least 1k here ) iPad is even more not acceptable for a TOY/gadget!
 

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Re: EEVblog #321 - Google Nexus 7 Tablet Teardown
« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2012, 09:49:56 am »
Aluminum is a very poor shielding material, that's why you normally either see the steel can or copper foil shielding used. For an equivalent amount of shielding, you need a significantly thicker amount of aluminum when comparing against copper.

Aluminum is a perfectly cromulent shielding material.  It does need to be slightly thicker than the equivalent in copper but not by much.  Neither work well at screening low-frequency magnetic fields which is why steel cans are preferred for shielding SMPS transformers.  The problem with aluminum as a screening material is the formation of the insulating oxide layer which makes it hard to make reliable electrical contact.  With copper you can just push a bronze spring contact against the shield or solder directly to it.  With aluminum you need to either scrape it with something that breaks through the oxide layer (easy to do on a die cast case, but hard to do on a thin foil) or spot-weld contacts to it.
 

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Re: EEVblog #321 - Google Nexus 7 Tablet Teardown
« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2012, 08:17:05 pm »
I'm 4th on Youtube search for "Nexus 7 teardown" already, and 2nd for "google nexus 7 teardown", behind the iFixIt chick.
That search engine works quick...

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Re: EEVblog #321 - Google Nexus 7 Tablet Teardown
« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2012, 01:07:23 am »
Hi Dave,

Is audio coming from the processor through a external amp or does speakers have some dedicated codec chip?

Thanks,
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« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2012, 05:33:04 pm »
Always a dedicated QFN/UFBGA codec+Class D chip, never straight.
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Re: EEVblog #321 - Google Nexus 7 Tablet Teardown
« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2012, 05:17:33 pm »
I will guess the cutout with nothing in it in the top is for the rear facing camera in the REV2 version.

My guess also
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Re: EEVblog #321 - Google Nexus 7 Tablet Teardown
« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2012, 10:48:14 pm »
Hmm - not sure I buy the "copper = heat-sink" argument. Consider this.

It's a single cell lithium battery, so that's about 3.7V. The mAH rating was something like 4300, so that gives the cell a total energy storage of around 16 WHr. Now, if the device is slated to run for around 8 (or more) hours, it can only be drawing that energy at a rate - power - of 2 (or less) watts.

That's the WHOLE device - processor, screen, backlight, memory, Wifi, audio, other devices, etc. It's hardly going to break out into a sweat at these power levels, is it?

With a plastic back and tough EMI regulations, that copper is there to stop the tablet from interfering with grandma's AM radio.
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Re: EEVblog #321 - Google Nexus 7 Tablet Teardown
« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2012, 12:43:19 pm »
I got one of these as my first tablet, mostly to read pdfs.  Its decent enough for older eyes, but its still easier on a bigger screen, like the iPad, which I do not own or will not buy because it doesn't give me control of the software or hardware like Android does.

A great job with the tear down.  Even with competitors doing similar tasks, eevblog's version has a unique flavor as you dig into the component level, while most stay at the board level.

Here are some of the best:

http://www.informationweek.com/byte/news/galleries/personal-tech/tablets/240003315

http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/News/pages/Low-End-Google-Nexus-7-Carries-$157-BOM-Teardown-Reveals.aspx

Some insights from all the non-eevblog teardowns:

The BOM suggest the Nexus 7 is a loss leader, it costs more to make than its being sold.

Given how fast things are going in the tablet market,  Nexus 7 is essentially disposable. It will probably be obsolete in 1-2 years, way before the LiPo battery gives out.  Nevertheless, its so easy to work with and modular that when used Nexus 7s hit eBay in a few years, it should be easy to repair with cannibalized parts, it would be worth it if a fresh battery is still around and economical to buy.

The PSU has a load sensor, as drops charge rate if you use certain microUSB cables.  Cables dedicated to charging, such as the OEM Motorola Droid cables are no problem, but some 3rd party cables I have reduce the current flow.

Wifi supports n protocol, but no 5 GHz radio.

Complaints on-line for US users with production hardware defects, estimating Amazon complaints its about 10-20%, rated 4/5 stars.  The defects seem batch related, Amazon and Google Store has gotten a fair share, as Staples.com related sales have ne'er a complaint, and their market is not tech savvy either, rated 4.75 stars.  Amazon and Staples have about a similar number of reviews, ~ 90. 

The defects are:

battery = dies spontaneously, fail to charge after 1 week of use, and shows itself as erratic operation and unexplained shut downs with a full charge

glass panel separation = unit operates but causes clicking sound
glass is not Gorilla glass, just 'Corning' glass.  Some folks have shattered their screens when dropped yet online reviews show it resists cracking when dropped [ full youtube videos of iPads vs Nexus 7 being dropped from 3 feet] but will crack if the glass separates from the LCD. 

capacitive sensor attachment = loosens, leading to dead spots on the screen, squeezing the screen can correct the issue

mic failure = fails to receive input after some time

Android OS is is 4.1.1 released 7/12 and is glitch free, so far.  Install was as smooth as Dave showed it and effortless. Apps seem to be bug free.

In toto, don't throw away the box for at least 12 months, to avail of the warranty.  If you do buy one, buy it retail so its easier to return because the prices are actually much higher online, than retail!
« Last Edit: September 04, 2012, 07:21:04 pm by saturation »
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Re: EEVblog #321 - Google Nexus 7 Tablet Teardown
« Reply #30 on: September 04, 2012, 06:31:26 pm »
So your same "not gorilla" analogy speaks for Samsung's Crap SIII not being Gorilla II?
 

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Re: EEVblog #321 - Google Nexus 7 Tablet Teardown
« Reply #31 on: September 04, 2012, 07:18:50 pm »
I don't really know T4P, Corning has a site listing all Gorilla glass products, and most phones and pads I know using it rarely are reported broken.  On some Nexus 7, the screen breaks somewhat easily.  Nexus 7 is not listed on the Gorilla site, and confirms what other reviews suggest.

http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/



OTAH, there is this test:






So your same "not gorilla" analogy speaks for Samsung's Crap SIII not being Gorilla II?
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