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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1000 on: November 23, 2016, 11:37:25 pm »
Do you know what is a keyboard bios controller? Because you have already the answer...
I bought  rt 809 job done and I had a hope in this programmed, but unfortunately did not provide my need at work .Thank you
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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1001 on: December 07, 2016, 01:43:37 am »
If i recall correctly, the RT809F is mostly used for rewritting vga  Extended Display Identification Data (EDID) ...
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1002 on: December 07, 2016, 09:35:16 pm »
the company has release for rt809f extension PEB-1 Expansion board Support IT8586E IT8580E 29/39/49/50 series 32/40 /48 feet BIOS and kb9012 and more updates come for it even read and writ nand flash but slow speed .and there are new release from the same company  rt809h bater and faster and stable for eemc and nand but very expensive   
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1003 on: December 15, 2016, 03:45:27 pm »
Hi everyone. I am new to eprom programmers. I picked up this 866CS version to program some eproms used in Amiga computers and hardware. I have an adapter that allows me to program the 27c400 using the 27c4096 profile  and unchecking the ID box in the software. MY problem is using other chips. I am attempting to program a MBM27C1000-200 eprom which is used for the commodore CDTV extended ROM. I believe thats a Fujitsu. Problem is I dont see it in the database. Closest I see is MX27C1000. If I select that one I get an error every time the second it starts to programm, even if I uncheck ID. I have had the same issue with 27C256 chips and a couple others. I have ordered several of these from ebay and other sources and all fail like this. I dont think all of them can be bad?

What am I doing wrong? I have a UV eraser and I have put my chips in for 30 minutes and still no luck.
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1004 on: December 22, 2016, 01:55:18 pm »
Wauw I just received 5 chips (AM27C040) from this seller:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/171555241796

I made a ChipID check on all 5 and it gave me Chip ID 8F08 which is FM27C040 or NM27C040, which means that seller has sold me 5 eproms with a fake name convention as the correct ChipID is "019B".  :horse:

I dont know why those sellers dont check their chips before sending them out, but now Í have to open Paypal dispute  :palm:  :-BROKE
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1005 on: December 22, 2016, 02:10:52 pm »
I dont know why those sellers dont check their chips before sending them out, but now Í have to open Paypal dispute  :palm:  :-BROKE

Maybe AMD started to buy from Fairchild or National? Also, I don't think there is a real difference, why not just use them?
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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1006 on: December 22, 2016, 05:48:27 pm »
I dont know why those sellers dont check their chips before sending them out, but now Í have to open Paypal dispute  :palm:  :-BROKE

Maybe AMD started to buy from Fairchild or National? Also, I don't think there is a real difference, why not just use them?

I dont know, but if i try to reprogram the chips as FM27C040 or NM27C040, then I get this error and have to run them through a "Eprom Eraser" for 40 min before they are blank and that sucks!.
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1007 on: December 22, 2016, 06:00:43 pm »
I dont know, but if i try to reprogram the chips as FM27C040 or NM27C040, then I get this error and have to run them through a "Eprom Eraser" for 40 min before they are blank and that sucks!.

Yeah, that sucks. What happens if you try to program them as AMD?
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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1008 on: December 23, 2016, 08:59:01 am »
I dont know, but if i try to reprogram the chips as FM27C040 or NM27C040, then I get this error and have to run them through a "Eprom Eraser" for 40 min before they are blank and that sucks!.

Yeah, that sucks. What happens if you try to program them as AMD?

I can give it a shoot.

This is the image/.bin I want to burn: (Firmware OS 1.05 for Akai s-3200xl)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/c1pb6zesnm7lbd1/Akai%20s-3200XL%201.05.BIN?dl=0

In this case I have to set “Check ID” off, else the MiniPro will reject the programming due to the different ID.

an interesting observation is that the .bin file does not fully fill the chip capacity. Could this be the cause of my error below? Because the programming is ca. 50-60 % in process before this error occurs and the same error recurs, when I’m testing another chip. < Is there an option in MiniPro, which I should be aware of in this case?

This is what I get:
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1009 on: December 23, 2016, 10:07:46 am »
The first not FF byte in the file is at 4000, so I guess that programming fails from the start but it is not noticed because an empty eprom contains FF anyway.
Does your programmer work at all on other eproms?
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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1010 on: December 23, 2016, 10:55:02 am »
The first not FF byte in the file is at 4000, so I guess that programming fails from the start but it is not noticed because an empty eprom contains FF anyway.
Does your programmer work at all on other eproms?

Yeah, I have already programmed other eproms without any complications. This is first time I ran into such issues.

Another interesting observation is that the programming did something, as the software conclude "not empty", when I do a blank check after the error.

This means that I’m forced to perform a “eprom erasing” before I can do anything with the chip again.

Hmm trying to find the root cause of this problem:
•   Faulty .bin file?
•   Faulty setting in my program/software (Minipro)
•   Faulty eprom chip


I don’t think there is anything wrong with the programmer itself.

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« Reply #1011 on: December 23, 2016, 11:03:34 am »
Another interesting observation is that the programming did something, as the software conclude "not empty", when I do a blank check after the error.

That is strange because it fails to program the first byte that needs to be programmed as far as I can see.
Can you find out what address is no longer set to FF?

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1012 on: December 23, 2016, 12:08:50 pm »
Another interesting observation is that the programming did something, as the software conclude "not empty", when I do a blank check after the error.

That is strange because it fails to program the first byte that needs to be programmed as far as I can see.
Can you find out what address is no longer set to FF?

This is the exact message I get, when I do the ”blank check”. I double-checked the content including ASCII and there is nothing written to the Eprom as everything is “FF” from address 000000 to 07FFF0.


Please note, I’m first able to use this eprom again, when I run it through a “Eprom eraser”

Analyzing the .bin file provided above. The actual coding starts from address 040000 till 07FFF0.

I also downloaded a newer firmware OS (Version 2.00) and in this case its opposite where the actual code starts from 000000 to 040000 and everything beyond is empty:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/e9gebyy0x6xctvc/S350200.cod?dl=0
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1013 on: December 23, 2016, 12:35:02 pm »
So when programming it says it fails on the first (non-FF) byte which stays at FF, but when you do a blank check it shows that it programmed the first correctly...  :scared:
There must be something wrong in the protocol that the programmer uses, like the chip needs a longer delay between programming and reading back.
Some things come to mind:

- If you try to program it twice (without blank check), does it program the first 2 bytes correctly?
- Can you disable the verify after each write?
- Can you set the delay between write and verify? (I can't recall exactly what can and can't be set)

Interesting, here is someone with exactly the same problem: http://atariage.com/forums/topic/230587-burning-eproms/
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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1014 on: December 23, 2016, 01:46:39 pm »
So when programming it says it fails on the first (non-FF) byte which stays at FF, but when you do a blank check it shows that it programmed the first correctly...  :scared:
There must be something wrong in the protocol that the programmer uses, like the chip needs a longer delay between programming and reading back.
Some things come to mind:

- If you try to program it twice (without blank check), does it program the first 2 bytes correctly?
- Can you disable the verify after each write?
- Can you set the delay between write and verify? (I can't recall exactly what can and can't be set)

Interesting, here is someone with exactly the same problem: http://atariage.com/forums/topic/230587-burning-eproms/

Thanks for that link and its exactly the same chip (27C040-150DC) I have.

There is a guy in this topic who mentioned this counterfeit thing. I understand the idea of faking money, but faking a chip? *Facepalm*

UKRetrogamer from this link mentioned the following settings: (according to manufacturer data-sheet)
VPP: 12,5 V
VCC: 6,25 V
Pulse delay: 100 us

Below you can see the settings I will test now (you can also now see the available options)


When I click on program (it did not even start)


I sometimes wish, that someone would clean out those topics for junk. It looks like the guy (Topic maker) never managed to get it to work with TL866, but went to a friend.  :-BROKE (user didnt mention if that friend was using another Eprom burner or same kind)
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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1015 on: December 23, 2016, 02:45:25 pm »
Yes, sorry that there was no solution in the other thread, but I found it interesting that it was the same chip. I checked my stock of eproms but unfortunately no 27C040 in there, so  I can't test it. Your best bet would be to get some from another source and hope that the programmer will like these better.
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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1016 on: January 12, 2017, 09:48:49 pm »
does anyone know if would be possible to read 2gbit NAND flash using TL866CS? 
I've got 29F2G08ABAEA
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1017 on: January 14, 2017, 01:50:01 pm »
No, TL866 isn't a NAND reader and it will never be :P
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1018 on: January 14, 2017, 11:03:47 pm »
hello guys !  I just bought my TL866A :) and im just wondering, I have the TSOP48 ADAPTER. Anyway, my mision is to copy BIGGER NANDS, from TABLET PC OR LED TV, but I cannot find any compatible on the list of the MiniPro V6.50

Any suggestion is welcome. thanks in advance for your help!  ^-^
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1019 on: January 17, 2017, 03:53:36 pm »
hello there from greece i have a big problem and i want your knowlegde.... i have 4 sunblade 150 with timekeeps inside to keep the hostid and the mac address. before a few weeks the timekeepers stop working because they run out of battery. i have buy 8 of thems to replace them but when i put them on the sunblade 150 is all 00:00:00:00:00 i have see tha the tl866cs can read this chips, do you know how can i right the mac address that i want. because i have order from a store in usa and paid 400$ for 4 piece to right me the mac address that i want. so now i have 4 new from a company in usa and 8 new from ebay but with zeros on them can i copy them one by one. this is my chip http://www.memoryxsun.com/1006889.html      its a timekeeper ST M48T59Y-70PC1.... so what should i buy the minipro tl866cs and an eeprom eraser?
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1020 on: January 21, 2017, 05:47:19 pm »
hello there from greece i have a big problem and i want your knowlegde.... i have 4 sunblade 150 with timekeeps inside to keep the hostid and the mac address. before a few weeks the timekeepers stop working because they run out of battery. i have buy 8 of thems to replace them but when i put them on the sunblade 150 is all 00:00:00:00:00 i have see tha the tl866cs can read this chips, do you know how can i right the mac address that i want. because i have order from a store in usa and paid 400$ for 4 piece to right me the mac address that i want. so now i have 4 new from a company in usa and 8 new from ebay but with zeros on them can i copy them one by one. this is my chip http://www.memoryxsun.com/1006889.html      its a timekeeper ST M48T59Y-70PC1.... so what should i buy the minipro tl866cs and an eeprom eraser?

1. I dont think that M48T59Y is compatible with TL866 due to, that you cannot find it, when you search under "ICS" in the Minipro software.
2. This is a eeprom, so you erase it electronically. (example with your TL866 if it were compatible) aka you dont need to buy a "eeprom eraser"
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1021 on: February 07, 2017, 07:24:44 pm »
Hi friends, 2 days ago i buy the TL866CS to flash bios chips.

I started using but i am having problems flashing windbond W25Q32FV(soic 8) chips
After i select it on the software and load the .bin file the program process begin without any problems. At 100% verification the program gives an error. I attach the error image here.
The software i am using is the last one that appears on www.autoelectric.cn, the firmware of the TL866CS is the last one too available and i am running windows 10 64bits
I buy anothers windbond W25Q32FV soic8 chips, i flashed with the same .bin file and the error given by the program its the same. The same happens if i try a different .bin file.
I make a system check and no errors have been found, everything is perfect. the same with the 200mil adapter that holds the windbond chip, works ok.
I really need to program those chips because i have an electronical shop that fix notebook motherboards.
The driver of the TL866CS is installed ok on windows.
The last thing i did was this: after flashing the windbond chip i read it with the software and export to a .bin file. If i compare with an hex editor this .bin file with the original one its says that are the same, so i do not know what is happening.
Hope we can help me, i really apreaciate so much
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1022 on: February 07, 2017, 07:49:25 pm »
It is complaining about a CONFIG (register?), not about the normal program space. I quickly scanned the datasheet but didn't find anything. Did you try to use the chip?
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« Reply #1023 on: February 07, 2017, 08:36:56 pm »
Till friday i will not able to test the chip on motherboard. After i test it i will post results here. Do you think both programmer and chip are ok?
 

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« Reply #1024 on: February 07, 2017, 08:45:59 pm »
Till friday i will not able to test the chip on motherboard. After i test it i will post results here. Do you think both programmer and chip are ok?
I have no idea, but testing the chip should bring us closer to the truth.
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