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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #700 on: May 12, 2015, 04:55:51 pm »
Bought a Genius G540 USB programmer. It programs 22V10's correctly.

Does it program Atmel's 22V10s? Those require a different algorithm than the Lattice/NatSemi/STMicro GALs.

It's in the component menu, but I have only tried with Lattice 22V10B and 22V10D chips. In view of my earlier experience with the TL866 I think you will only know for sure once somebody has tried it.
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #701 on: May 13, 2015, 02:04:08 pm »
What is so cool aboit this device? Are there other altrrnatives too? I would like tto get a programmer for Ave, reprimand and others.
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #702 on: May 13, 2015, 02:16:58 pm »
Quote from: Circuiteromalaguito on Today at 14:04:08
What is so cool aboit this device?


It's has a good price/performance ratio. But it has raise a bit lately.

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #703 on: May 13, 2015, 03:30:39 pm »
Quote from: Circuiteromalaguito on Today at 14:04:08
What is so cool aboit this device?


It's has a good price/performance ratio. But it has raise a bit lately.
Quote from: Circuiteromalaguito on Today at 14:04:08
What is so cool aboit this device?


It's has a good price/performance ratio. But it has raise a bit lately.
I see there are cheaper ones in eBay... 37-40usd

And native Linux support...
https://github.com/wd5gnr/qtl866
https://github.com/vdudouyt/minipro

There are other alternatives...

http://openprog.altervista.org/OP_eng.html
http://www.rvq.fr/tech/pgrm.php


I can't see the following wiki...
http://minipro.txt.si
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #704 on: May 18, 2015, 10:36:45 am »
hello is possible use this programmer for this ICflash ? :  TOSHIBA J93687 Taiwan 13429AE3 TC58NVG1S3ETA00
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #705 on: May 20, 2015, 04:40:48 pm »
No, nand memories are not supported. :--
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #706 on: May 25, 2015, 05:21:26 am »
Hi:

The v6.10 MiniPro not record the EEPROM
  24xx128
  24xx256
  24xx512
  24xx102x

http://www.microchip.com/pagehandler/en-us/products/memory/serialEEPROM/home.html

I've been comparing Willem program with TL886 and have yet to upgrade more. I tried to find the e-mail http://www.autoelectric.cn/ TL886CS web creator to communicate with them and ask them to add those that use EEPROM 24LCxx enough. If anyone knows, they can post it here.

One question.
At this time to record all sorts of memories. Is it advisable or TL886CS Willem?

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #707 on: May 25, 2015, 06:05:21 am »
No, nand memories are not supported. :--
Really? What's so difficult behind it? Are there other affordable alternatives supporting them and having a similar big spectrum suport degree too? And at similar price range? Maybe I'm asking too much.
« Last Edit: May 25, 2015, 10:38:02 am by Circuiteromalaguito »
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #708 on: May 27, 2015, 09:08:22 pm »
I think  "we" are asking too much of this programmer ...   I have a willem Gq4x and it won't do everything i need, i have the tl866, won't do everything either ...
Paid for a pickit 3, an avr dragon for Hv programming, stk500 clone,   etc ...  the list goes on,  my drawer is full of programmers.

Still miss something.

I am checking for a top3100 programmer for what it can do or not do.

There's no "universal" programmer who does it all ...   

We use at my job an old chipmaster 6000 "lpt", saved my ass a few times...    Searching for an used usb 6000 model for 2 years with no luck, i simply can't pay 500 to 1000$ ???

But buying "this" and "that", eventually i'll have paid that amount to do what i need .... avr, pic's, old xilinx cpld, freescale hc08, lot of eeproms, 8 and 16 bit mcu's, 89c51, motorola hc11 series.
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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #709 on: May 28, 2015, 01:52:45 am »
Quote from: coromonadalix
I think  "we" are asking too much of this programmer ...   I have a willem Gq4x and it won't do everything i need, i have the tl866, won't do everything either ...
Paid for a pickit 3, an avr dragon for Hv programming, stk500 clone,   etc ...  the list goes on,  my drawer is full of programmers.
....
There's no "universal" programmer who does it all ...     
+1
Same boat. Spent 10s of 1,000s of $$s over the last 20+ yrs. PLUS the several that I had to make MYSELF !!
The Universal programmer is just a dream :-)
Hello <tap> <tap> .. is this thing on?
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #710 on: June 03, 2015, 05:32:19 am »
Hi guys,

are the adapters for Willem and TL866 interchangeable? May I use Wille's adapters (I have many!) with TL866, and v/v?
Some says "yes" on different sites, some says "no". Confused, but don't want to invest in a new set of adapters for TL866 ONLY.

And another question pls: how may I read PAL16L8ACN chips (yup, those are old) and other PALs with TL866? If TL unable to read those in any means - would someone suggest me the cheap device (no need good one, I have <10 chips to be only read, no writing is required) that will do the trick?

Thanks guys.
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #711 on: June 05, 2015, 05:37:20 am »
I was wondering if someone tested the linux software on a Raspberry Pi. You can compile it, right ?

Edit: I posted and forgot to ask again to the people who programmed PALs/GALs which software did you use to "compile" ? I remember reading (somewhere once upon a time...) that AMD or Atmel had something for DOS... any ideas ?

thanx
« Last Edit: June 05, 2015, 05:40:03 am by ale500 »
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #712 on: June 07, 2015, 03:35:43 pm »
Some tl866 adapters have an eeprom on them to tell if they are genuine adapters or not, some have tempted to hack them  with no success, their content are crypted ???


The non genuine will make the software stop  and you have a warning,   there a lot of fake and outdated models on ebay,  even the makers have shown a list and pictures on how to recognize the false ones.

And please  guys   download the minipro software, run it,  and check their listed supported devices  .... if it's not there ...  the makers wont necessarily put it in the list ...
« Last Edit: June 07, 2015, 03:44:03 pm by coromonadalix »
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #713 on: June 11, 2015, 01:12:12 am »
THE 6.13 version just came out ...


The supported devices list :    http://www.autoelectric.cn/MiniPro/MiniProSupportList.txt
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #714 on: June 11, 2015, 07:03:38 am »
New supported devices from 6.10 to 6.13:

DS1245/DS1249/DS1250

 AM2716B SM8958A(TQFP44)

That's all folks!

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #715 on: June 14, 2015, 02:14:17 pm »
Hi Guys,

Has anyone had any luck using the tl866 with fujitsu flash chips? namely the MBM29DL322TE...

I have been trying for a few days now, finally stuck  |O

Its in the supported list, and it reads ok (after re seating a few times until the checksum stays the same), saved to file, but when trying to write to new ic (tried 4 new ones) or even another used ic, it fails at 0x000000 or 0x000001.

Initially it was coming up with overcurrent protection, so I fitted a bypass switch across c22  :-+, so I can switch as necessary.
Its an original tl866 on rev 6.16, and original adapters as it comes v3 on check.

Maybe the size, 32M, is the issue?, as I can successfully read/erase/write to a Fujitsu MBM29DL800, so the tsop 48 adapter seems good.

I'm trying to replace the ic with new, as I suspect its causing failure over time, and when reflowed the device works fine for a given amount of time before failing again.

Any help is appreciated
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #716 on: June 14, 2015, 07:17:31 pm »
New update. 6.16 version: CLICK!

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #717 on: June 15, 2015, 02:56:22 am »
I think  "we" are asking too much of this programmer ...   I have a willem Gq4x and it won't do everything i need, i have the tl866, won't do everything either ...
Paid for a pickit 3, an avr dragon for Hv programming, stk500 clone,   etc ...  the list goes on,  my drawer is full of programmers.

Still miss something.

I am checking for a top3100 programmer for what it can do or not do.

There's no "universal" programmer who does it all ...   

We use at my job an old chipmaster 6000 "lpt", saved my ass a few times...    Searching for an used usb 6000 model for 2 years with no luck, i simply can't pay 500 to 1000$ ???

But buying "this" and "that", eventually i'll have paid that amount to do what i need .... avr, pic's, old xilinx cpld, freescale hc08, lot of eeproms, 8 and 16 bit mcu's, 89c51, motorola hc11 series.

Hi:

Do you know any website to show you how indentificar which is the original and the fake TL866CS?

I see much buying and TL866CS Willem. Most opt for Willem, records more types of EEPROM that TL866CS.

Greetings.
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #718 on: June 15, 2015, 03:53:59 am »
well the problem is :

when you have newer versions of minipro   minipro will update the eeprom content of thoses "originals" adapters and make them "still genuine" for the minipro software. If it fails you will be warned ...

They are v3 versions out in the wild, they are supposed to support the latest version of minipro,  they are version v0 who will fail while upgrading ...

can't find you a good link,  i mostly found thoses infos on Russian and Chinese forums ???

 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #719 on: June 15, 2015, 08:53:26 am »
Hi!

does anyone know what the "Encrypt Ch" option does when programming GAL16V8 devices?



also anyone else noticed the programmer having troubles with eproms/eeproms/otp devices like W27C512 , 27SF0x0 etc? I can't get it to work reliably when with the same chips work perfect with a GQ-3X ... the following picture shows that problem with a W27C512 eeprom, just look at the code area and you'll notice the difference... not even device ID is correct  :-//



edit: I believe there is something wrong with my unit, no idea what to look to fix it though. It reads wrong IDs on W27C512/AT27C256 , I cannot write any of them without failing .... seems like some ZIF socket in/outputs are busted or something
« Last Edit: June 15, 2015, 01:00:49 pm by keropi »
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #720 on: June 17, 2015, 10:09:14 am »
woah   the 6.16 has gone out pretty fast

Version: V6.16 Support Chip number: 13216 --2015.06.12

Adjustments: for when individual ATMEGA8 programming configuration bit checksum error problem.
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #721 on: June 17, 2015, 10:40:13 am »
Hi:

As they are updated more often. What is your e-mail address?
I ask that your software will actualuce EEPROM and 24LC1026 24LC1025 www.microchip.com.

We will encourage you to update and do not leave it long forgotten.

Greetings.
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #722 on: June 17, 2015, 03:28:59 pm »
I would like to see support added for:
CY7C245A 2K x 8-Bit EPROM also has the same pin out as AM27S191.
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #723 on: June 17, 2015, 04:45:51 pm »
I would like to see support added for:
CY7C245A 2K x 8-Bit EPROM also has the same pin out as AM27S191.

I want to know how to contact them and tell them.

Quote
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??TL866CS??24LC105 EEPROM????24LC1026?

???Microchip.com?????????????????
http://www.microchip.com/pagehandler/en-us/products/memory/serialEEPROM/home.html

?????TL866CS??????

???

I sent this message to trasnlate.google Traditional Chinese.

Hi:

You can add 24LC105 EEPROM programmer and 24LC1026 in TL866CS?

They are Microchip.com manufacturer, here you can see your link.
http://www.microchip.com/pagehandler/en-us/products/memory/serialEEPROM/home.html

Very good job of creating the programmer TL866CS.

Greetings.
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #724 on: June 19, 2015, 11:11:24 pm »
Since one of the devices I wanted to read was not supported, I decided to build a hardware workaround kludge.
It actually worked.  I think there is probably other devices that are not supported but have close relatives.
This could be used in those situations as well.

Procedure To Read AM27S191 (2048X8) PROMS With MiniPro TL866:
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1. The AM27S191 is a (2048X8) Bipolar PROM.
2. There is no direct support on the MiniPro TL866 for the AM27S191 device.
3. One of the closest TL866 supported devices is X2816A but it requires rerouting 3 lines.
4. Created a 40-pin ZIF adapter that has jumpers that allow each pin to be jumped and feed directly from the TL866 ZIF socket to the adapters ZIF socked.  Alternatively the jumper can be removed (opened) to by pass normal feed from the TL866.  Then the chip pin can then be routed to a different signal from the TL866 ZIF output.
5. The pins on the AM27S191 and X2816A are the same except for four pins (18,19,20,21).
Chip      P18         P19         P20         P21
27S191      G3         G2         ~G1         A10
X2816A      ~CE         A10         ~OE         ~WE

REROUTE TABLE:
27S191 TO   ZIF
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P18         P24 (+5V)
P19         P24 (+5V)
P20         P20 (~OE/~G1) I decided to leave this jumper in since they seemed like the same function.
P21         P19 (A10)

Attached pictures of 40-ZIF adapter board.
 


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