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Title: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: peter.mitchell on April 23, 2013, 05:55:57 am
EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCmo5y4DqvU#ws)

Dave opens the mail!

Some nice postcards, a Jamma card for Daves arcade machine, some computer stuff, dummy load kit,  a calculator and a PLASMA SPEAKER!

In the package I sent includes;
Asus Radeon HD5870 v2 with EKWB waterblock.
http://www.asus.com.au/Graphics_Cards/AMD_Series/EAH58702DIS1GD5V2/ (http://www.asus.com.au/Graphics_Cards/AMD_Series/EAH58702DIS1GD5V2/)
http://www.ekwb.com/products/water-blocks/ (http://www.ekwb.com/products/water-blocks/)
4x Noctua NF-P12 ultra quiet, ultra high reliability fans (>150k hours MTBF, 6 year warranty) and some grills to protect fingers.
http://www.noctua.at/main.php?show=productview&products_id=12&lng=en&set=1 (http://www.noctua.at/main.php?show=productview&products_id=12&lng=en&set=1)
Swiftech MCP655 high reliability high pressure adjustable flow brushless pump (with EKWB top for different ports).
http://www.swiftech.com/mcp655.aspx (http://www.swiftech.com/mcp655.aspx)
XSPC EX360 triple fan radiator
http://www.xs-pc.com/products/radiators/ex-series-radiators/ex360-triple-fan-radiator/ (http://www.xs-pc.com/products/radiators/ex-series-radiators/ex360-triple-fan-radiator/)
EK-Ekoolant Clear coolant (goes in your car too)
http://www.ekwb.com/shop/accessories/water-additives-coolants/ekoolants/ek-ekoolant-clear-premix-1000ml.html (http://www.ekwb.com/shop/accessories/water-additives-coolants/ekoolants/ek-ekoolant-clear-premix-1000ml.html)
Lots of bubble wrap too!

If ya don't use the watercooler, I bet it could dissipate some heat for a dummy load :P
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: justanothercanuck on April 23, 2013, 10:04:23 am
I wonder what's wrong with that MVS...  I'd be interested to see if Dave is going to do any diag/repair vids on it...  I hope it's not something easy like a bad RAM chip.  ;D
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: EEVblog on April 23, 2013, 10:40:30 am
Wow, a huge thumbs down percentage for this mailbag!
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: peter.mitchell on April 23, 2013, 10:48:53 am
I dunno, the Americans seem pretty whiny in the comments though  :-//
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: hammil on April 23, 2013, 10:50:44 am
I would have killed to be in Sagan's position... At his age (perhaps a year or two older), I was similarly fascinated by electronics, and I loved to take stuff apart, but I just didn't have any resources or knowledgeable adults to help me develop further. It's great to see a kid enjoy his environment so much and take such an interest in the world around him, even if he doesn't get into electronics later on (though I highly suspect he will :P )

Dave is best father :D
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: BravoV on April 23, 2013, 11:04:40 am
Wow, a huge thumbs down percentage for this mailbag!

Maybe from those passionate and addicted heavy smokers ?  ... just kidding  ;D

Probably it has to do with the huge amount of distractions made by Sagan maybe ? Just a guess.  :-//
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: brainwash on April 23, 2013, 11:14:13 am
I think there were two main reasons for so much dislike but I'll tell them all:
- misinterpretation of that god thing and the usa. Btw, you'd have a better chance of running for president there as a muslim than as an atheist, so the polls say
- Sagan though cute distracting for people coming to see electronics stuff. I was raised with a different education (might be wrong) and I would not be allowed to do such stuff
- crackdown on smokers. That thumbs down was really unneeded, people got your first message anyway. If it was something else happening to someone else, you would have said: "Grow up, don't be such a baby"
- really expensive equipment being torn down by a kid without even being tested. Yes, I know that's the motto and also that no devices were hurt, but it's hard to judge on the other side of the tubes
- crackdown on cat lovers

Just saying what I saw wrong with the video. Btw, having a lot of dislikes does (should) not affect your income and they might actually drive the viewership up. It's only sad when subscribers are lost.
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: george graves on April 23, 2013, 11:25:28 am
Wow, a huge thumbs down percentage for this mailbag!

I love the mail bag segments! (well, I do skip ahead a lot - a 20 min videos takes 4 mins to watch) Would love it if you put timecodes in the description.   So people could skip to what interests them.

Almost 20% thumbs down?  Won't that hurt your over all google juice?

As a side - Segan is cute as a bell!  Good on you.  As it turns out - most people love their children!  Who knew!!!!  ;) 


Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: ecat on April 23, 2013, 11:29:18 am
Wow, a huge thumbs down percentage for this mailbag!

Maybe from those passionate and addicted heavy smokers ?  ... just kidding  ;D

Probably it has to do with the huge amount of distractions made by Sagan maybe ? Just a guess.  :-//

Or cat lovers really are psychotic lunatics?

Could be the interfering busybodies "Oh My God. Oh My God. Oh My God. He has that child in the same room as a screwdriver!!11!". Heh, do they have any idea how lethal the Austrian Australian outdoors and indoors can be?

Ah-ha, not once did Dave mention Austria.

Possibly the Apple logo t-shirt?

Most likely, and I agree with BravoV, other peoples children. Then again, as brainwash says above, some of these religious folks can be a bit touchy at times  :scared:. Some are worse than cat lovers  :-DD
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: Psi on April 23, 2013, 11:34:22 am
Maybe it was all the gamers cringing at the sight of Sagan attacking a ultra highend videocard with a screwdriver
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: peter.mitchell on April 23, 2013, 11:52:06 am
- crackdown on cat lovers
Yeah, cat people are crazy, this is actually what it probably is, cat people are genuinely nuts.
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: EEVblog on April 23, 2013, 12:00:09 pm
Maybe it was all the gamers cringing at the sight of Sagan attacking a ultra highend videocard with a screwdriver

I suspect it's the gaming fanboys, for me being stupid and not recognising the obvious "value" in those high end components, and ultimately not doing anything with them in the video.
Maybe I should clean up the crusty fans and fit them to my new PC I'm getting tomorrow?  :-//
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: EEVblog on April 23, 2013, 12:08:31 pm
- misinterpretation of that god thing and the usa.

What did I misinterpret?

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- crackdown on smokers. That thumbs down was really unneeded, people got your first message anyway. If it was something else happening to someone else, you would have said: "Grow up, don't be such a baby"

Nope. You send me stuff reeking of cigarette smoke and you automatically get two huge thumbs down. My lab stinks now (yes, I'm that sensitive to it).
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: hammy on April 23, 2013, 12:11:55 pm
Sagan is cute! A real enrichment for you mailbag videos!  :-+ :-+ :-+
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: nitro2k01 on April 23, 2013, 12:34:46 pm
I'm generally not a fan of kids. If I wasn't an EEVBlog fan, I'd probably find this video annoying.  To perhaps add insult to injury, I like cats. Maybe I would sympathize with their  plans to take over the world. :-//

At around 29 mark (showing the back side of the home made plasma board) I actually thought the drawn line on the top left part of the board was a long crack. :/

The plasma speaker reminds me of a different but similar technology, the flame speaker, of 1968 vintage. Instead of using a high voltage to generate a plasma arc to be able to whack some electrons through the air, they were using a acetylene flame "seeded", as they called it, with salts. The addition of salt got the impedance down from ~1M to 2.5k. Brilliant. Someone ought to try and build one. Comes with a simple schematic. All you need is 500V DC supply, audio amplifier, 25:1 transformer, suitable electrodes and an acetylene torch.

http://www.swtpc.com/mholley/PopularElectronics/May1968/Flame_Amplification.htm (http://www.swtpc.com/mholley/PopularElectronics/May1968/Flame_Amplification.htm)

Also attached, scans from a Swedish science magazine from about the same time on the same topic.

As for the choice of audio clips to try with the device.
"Retarded product of the week" No!
"Flying pigs" Potentially, if you don't know what you're listening to.
"I smell bullshit!" Well, I hear that ozone can remove rancid odors, including the smell of cattle manure.
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: Markybhoy on April 23, 2013, 01:26:40 pm
Sagen should be in more Mailbag vids its fun watching him messing around.

Dave for the MVS you can get a Vogatek supergun pcb that lets you hook it up to a normal tv so you can test/play without hooking it up to the arcade machine.
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: brainwash on April 23, 2013, 01:35:56 pm
- misinterpretation of that god thing and the usa.

What did I misinterpret?

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- crackdown on smokers. That thumbs down was really unneeded, people got your first message anyway. If it was something else happening to someone else, you would have said: "Grow up, don't be such a baby"

Nope. You send me stuff reeking of cigarette smoke and you automatically get two huge thumbs down. My lab stinks now (yes, I'm that sensitive to it).

Not your misinterpretation but 'theirs'. You said something along the lines 'nothing of that god bullshit' - I knew you were referring to all the slogans peppered everywhere with "In God We Trust". Even though I'm against ANY religion, especially when being spoon-fed to children, your remark seemed offensive to me. I believe in complete freedom, including religious one, and Australia and NZ are among the most tolerant countries in the world.
I guess from the comments the Vermont guys also got offended but that was a completely innocent joke.

Regarding smoke, I am a smoker but I don't smoke anywhere near my bed, equipment, food, in anyone's face or generally where a lot of non-smokers are present. I also hate the smell but it is a good way to socialize almost everywhere in Europe. If I happen to receive something reeking of smoke I let it sit outside for two weeks or give it a good wash.
That's me defending myself from what I interpreted as an overreaction. Remember when smoking was allowed everywhere? I would hate to live in those days, but everything now seems to be falling in the other extreme.

Sorry for bringing stuff up that has nothing to do with electronics, it's a waste of everybody's time.
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: EEVblog on April 23, 2013, 02:04:54 pm
Not your misinterpretation but 'theirs'. You said something along the lines 'nothing of that god bullshit' - I knew you were referring to all the slogans peppered everywhere with "In God We Trust". Even though I'm against ANY religion, especially when being spoon-fed to children, your remark seemed offensive to me. I believe in complete freedom, including religious one, and Australia and NZ are among the most tolerant countries in the world.

My comment in no way meant people should not have the right to believe that.
I will march in the street for everyones right to believe any religious fairytale they like, but that doesn't mean I have to be "respectful" to anyone for holding such silly beliefs. I'll make fun of things I find patently silly.
If you found that comment offensive, then that's your problem, not mine  ;D

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Remember when smoking was allowed everywhere? I would hate to live in those days, but everything now seems to be falling in the other extreme.

I remember those days (smoking in planes and buses and trains - ARGH!!), and I am glad they are over. Smoking is just like the religion point - do it all you want, I'll fight for your right to do that, but when it impacts me in a public space were everyone should have the right to clean air, that's when my tolerance of it stops.
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: brainwash on April 23, 2013, 02:11:00 pm
If you found that comment offensive, then that's your problem, not mine  ;D

No worries mate, I have much thicker skin than that. Just doing some psychoanalysis on the thumbs down.
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: Slothie on April 23, 2013, 02:19:05 pm
FYI Vermont produces 5.5% of the worlds supply of maple syrup (OK so Canada produces 80%, but 5.5% is still a lot - around 4 million litres!)

Vermonters would probably be miffed at your remarks because despite their lower volume of production their syrup is generally produced to the high quality end of the maple syrup market.

(Disclaimer: I am not from Vermont I just went there once!)
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: EEVblog on April 23, 2013, 02:26:01 pm
FYI Vermont produces 5.5% of the worlds supply of maple syrup (OK so Canada produces 80%, but 5.5% is still a lot - around 4 million litres!)

Interesting!
That's a buttload of syrup.
Title: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: ddavidebor on April 23, 2013, 04:05:09 pm
Dave i don't know if your little boy is more kid-like-superentusiastic than you.

I think no, you beat him.

Thumbs up for the video, your son is funny.
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: nitro2k01 on April 23, 2013, 04:16:41 pm
Not your misinterpretation but 'theirs'. You said something along the lines 'nothing of that god bullshit' - I knew you were referring to all the slogans peppered everywhere with "In God We Trust". Even though I'm against ANY religion, especially when being spoon-fed to children, your remark seemed offensive to me. I believe in complete freedom, including religious one, and Australia and NZ are among the most tolerant countries in the world.
With the risk of going down a dangerous path, on the note of religious freedom:
1) Freedom to believe does not freedom from criticism, or even offence. It might be a personal virtue to not offend, but it should not be morally required.
2) Freedom to believe does not mean freedom for the state to endorse religion, and a public motto is of course (even if a soft) state endorsement of religion.
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: smashedProton on April 23, 2013, 04:41:33 pm
Yes dave, you should put the fans in your pc.  And if you have enough, you should put them in your annoying test gear too.  They are considerably  quieter than most.

What really ticked me off was that you pretty much laughed at the plasma speaker guy when he was the one giving you stuff....  I know that you are a public figure.. but this crossed the line.
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: ChiefPFF on April 23, 2013, 05:03:10 pm
Rather surprised at the amount of folk having a hernia about the video card & screwdriver - especially considering the audience! I don't know why they're so worried about the bloody fan on the card when you've clearly been sent that stuff with the expectation of taking off the stock HS & fan and water-cooling it. Those 120mm fans btw are supposed to attach to the radiator! It's a pain in the arse installing a water cooling system - but with the thermal capacity of that bad boy you should be able to push the card to the limit (depending on the silicone of course!).

Thumbs up Dave.

(and down with cats  ;) )
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: Balaur on April 23, 2013, 05:09:18 pm
What really ticked me off was that you pretty much laughed at the plasma speaker guy when he was the one giving you stuff....  I know that you are a public figure.. but this crossed the line.

When did Dave laughed? I though he was rather appreciative.

I don't know. I may be too tough on this, but I have extreme difficulties to find any redeeming factors in plasma speakers. Frankly, if I would had an interest on this subject, I would keep all this for myself as a private hobby, as the engineer in me would be too embarrassed to show this to the world.
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: mariush on April 23, 2013, 05:19:35 pm
Same here, didn't seem to me Dave was laughing at anyone.

For a small part of the video my attention was focused on Sagan and his screwdriver... i kept saying "oh, I hope Sagan doesn't scratch the card's pcb with it or say goodbye to a 2-300$ card". He did put the screwdriver through the card's fan :)

Quite nice of that guy to send you such card along with water cooling kit for it.
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: PedroDaGr8 on April 23, 2013, 06:57:43 pm
The plasma speaker reminds me of an undergrad analytical chemistry (yes abbreviated anal chem) course, called instrumental analysis. Half of it as taught by a guy who designed instruments. We joked his half of the class was titled "How to take over a 3rd world country via chemistry" Anyways, he talked about making plasma balls in microwaves (he said panasonic microwaves worked the best) and using the plasma ball as a 3-d speaker. He said during x-mas time they would blare x-mas carols at night and that you could easily hear them on all 9 floors of the building.
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: N2IXK on April 23, 2013, 07:17:59 pm
Plasma speakers were actually available as a commercial product at one point:

http://www.roger-russell.com/ionovac/ionovac.htm (http://www.roger-russell.com/ionovac/ionovac.htm)
http://www.ionovac.com/ (http://www.ionovac.com/)

They used a vacuum tube RF oscillator (similar to a TV flyback circuit) to produce the high voltage arc. They used a long horn arrangement to achieve the desired SPL.



Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: M. András on April 23, 2013, 08:18:33 pm
btw the stock cooler on the card was replaced with the water block i bet, looking at those noctua fans and the dust layer it must run for years without cleaning, the card runs hot around 7-80celsius on the stock cooler and damn noisy thats why the water cooling kit is included the gpu block is nickel plated copper, for the fans those mounts to the radiator and very silent while moving decent amount of air, as for your son, i hope you will teach him not to scrape expensive parts with a screw driver, apart from this thumbs up for you to teach him to behave like he does, my cousin still drops everything if he loses intrest in it and he is like 6 years old now
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: c4757p on April 23, 2013, 08:19:16 pm
Dude. Your kid is freaking adorable. "It's a screwdriver!"  :-DD And your patience is admirable.

And the cat people with sand in their ass over one little remark are quite entertaining as well...
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: Monkeh on April 23, 2013, 08:31:00 pm
I suspect it's the gaming fanboys, for me being stupid and not recognising the obvious "value" in those high end components, and ultimately not doing anything with them in the video.
Maybe I should clean up the crusty fans and fit them to my new PC I'm getting tomorrow?  :-//

I did twitch a bit when Sagan was poking it with the screwdriver.. As for the value, well, value is relative, and the blog is about electronics, not plug and play computer parts (even I remember when you actually had to know things, not just drop something in the one slot it goes in and plug in the one cable which fits it) and cooling systems. Cool (and hopefully very useful!) donation, but not exactly a hot video topic!
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: peter.mitchell on April 23, 2013, 08:52:55 pm
btw the stock cooler on the card was replaced with the water block i bet, looking at those noctua fans and the dust layer it must run for years without cleaning, the card runs hot around 7-80celsius on the stock cooler and damn noisy thats why the water cooling kit is included the gpu block is nickel plated copper, for the fans those mounts to the radiator and very silent while moving decent amount of air, as for your son, i hope you will teach him not to scrape expensive parts with a screw driver, apart from this thumbs up for you to teach him to behave like he does, my cousin still drops everything if he loses intrest in it and he is like 6 years old now

yeah, the card was used with the water, but not because of noise; because there were several of them and they blocked each others fan intakes.

I suspect it's the gaming fanboys, for me being stupid and not recognising the obvious "value" in those high end components, and ultimately not doing anything with them in the video.
Maybe I should clean up the crusty fans and fit them to my new PC I'm getting tomorrow?  :-//

I did twitch a bit when Sagan was poking it with the screwdriver.. As for the value, well, value is relative, and the blog is about electronics, not plug and play computer parts (even I remember when you actually had to know things, not just drop something in the one slot it goes in and plug in the one cable which fits it) and cooling systems. Cool (and hopefully very useful!) donation, but not exactly a hot video topic!

exactly, i understand Dave may have no interest in this or use, i sent the video card for trying in his new build, the water block too because what use do i have for it without the card, and other stuff so if he did want to use it, he could.

TBH, i have no harsh opinion of anything in the video,  i, and others sent in free stuff, second hand, on a whim, i don't have any higher expectations for it than stuff in the trash or lying on the street.
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: Ferroto on April 23, 2013, 09:01:33 pm
FYI Vermont produces 5.5% of the worlds supply of maple syrup (OK so Canada produces 80%, but 5.5% is still a lot - around 4 million litres!

That's BS everyone knows Canada has the maple syrup market cornered. :D
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: Lightages on April 23, 2013, 09:28:34 pm
It is obvious that the thumbs down from people came from some of your negative remarks. I suppose some people would look at your bashing the smoker as kicking the gift giver in the face. You could have been less harsh about it and state that you prefer that you don't receive things with smoke smell but still appreciated the gift and the participation of a viewer who helps pay your bills.

I like cats, I like them more than dogs, but I find that some people are way over the top with their love of cats. Share your cat pictures like you would your home movies of your child! With no one! :=\

Sagan was a fun distraction in this video, but I am afraid despite the cuteness of it you will drive some people away who want to watch electronics and not children playing if you get too carried away with him being in videos. But as always, it is your blog, your business, and screw those who don't like it. Just be prepared for lower ad views in the end maybe.
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: Dave on April 23, 2013, 09:30:52 pm
When you were playing with that plasma speaker, you should have clipped the ends of those solid core wires at an angle, so you would have pointy tips. That would easily increase the spark length, as electric fields are much stronger on pointy objects (that's why lightning often hits pointy antennas during thunderstorms). ;)
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: joab on April 23, 2013, 09:32:32 pm
Hah, I also have an old TI-60 laying around. Well, it's not in one piece anymore, since I did exactly as in the video: I opened it up. It's now in one of my desk drawers, I think.
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: hammy on April 23, 2013, 09:48:57 pm
Sagan was a fun distraction in this video, but I am afraid despite the cuteness of it you will drive some people away who want to watch electronics and not children playing if you get too carried away with him being in videos. But as always, it is your blog, your business, and screw those who don't like it. Just be prepared for lower ad views in the end maybe.

Right. This is "only" a mailbag video and no teardown. And Sagan is now in one or two from more than 460 videos. There are a lot more videos for the people who want watch only electronics.
Sagan has every right to be in a video, his dad spend enough time for 460+ videos.
If some of you don't like kids so skip this video. Sagan is a part of Dave's life and he is more important than every video.  %-B
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: c4757p on April 23, 2013, 09:54:02 pm
It is obvious that the thumbs down from people came from some of your negative remarks. I suppose some people would look at your bashing the smoker as kicking the gift giver in the face. You could have been less harsh about it and state that you prefer that you don't receive things with smoke smell but still appreciated the gift and the participation of a viewer who helps pay your bills.

I didn't get the feeling that he was bashing the smoker or harsh at all.

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I like cats, I like them more than dogs, but I find that some people are way over the top with their love of cats.

That's for sure! I'm a really big "dog person". How much do I care if Dave likes dogs? Not a rat's ass. If somebody doesn't like broccoli I'm not going to stick some in their mouth when I see it open.

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Sagan was a fun distraction in this video, but I am afraid despite the cuteness of it you will drive some people away who want to watch electronics and not children playing if you get too carried away with him being in videos.

Yeah, I think it would get a bit annoying if Sagan became a regular, but I got the feeling this was a bit of a "take your child to work day" and cute as hell as a one-time thing.
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: LaurenceW on April 23, 2013, 09:56:38 pm
I learn several things.

The words "Health" and "Safety" rarely occur in the same sentence in Oz! (Children? Barefoot? Up on a work bench? With tools? <SHUDDER!>) I do have children of my own. Somewhere.

Cats are stupid. See here
 

Looks like cat lovers are even more stupid, if they are responsible for the thumbs down. I did have a cat, but it had to go. Well, the choice was between a cat or a printer.

Smokers genuinely don't realise that they STINK LIKE SH!T, do they? In the UK, smoking indoors in public building and workplaces is now banned, so the nicotine adicts are forced to nip outside every hour or two for a crafty drag. Then, they come back in and sit back at their desks, like nothing's happened. Only, everyone around them is suddenly wondering when the KIPPER FACTORY started up? Phwaor! No, I don't smoke. I love life and my senses too much.

Nah. I think the thumbs down is just a relflection by people (who, remember, come here to watch, but rarely offer anything themsleves) of how they rate THIS video against your other 459, Dave. You've set your own bar pretty high!

That, or the shocking sight of two bare menfeet.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSK1D3bZhRs#[/url)
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: DavidDLC on April 23, 2013, 10:02:50 pm
If there is another video with Sagan, I more likely will not see it.

It's nothing about him, I just think a kid does not belong to a electronic related video.

Also there is an accident waiting to happen with that knife and screwdriver close to him.

David.
Title: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: ddavidebor on April 23, 2013, 10:24:35 pm
For me, sagan presence is not good in tecnical video, but in mailbag, wich is like "oooh look at this nice bird on the postcard", you and your son are a great duo.
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: xrunner on April 23, 2013, 10:37:48 pm
I will march in the street for everyones right to believe any religious fairytale they like, but that doesn't mean I have to be "respectful" to anyone for holding such silly beliefs. I'll make fun of things I find patently silly.

 :-+
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: Psi on April 23, 2013, 10:46:22 pm
Cats are stupid
^Funny


Seriously though, just like any species including humans, some cats are stupid and some are so smart its scary.
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: DavidDLC on April 23, 2013, 10:52:40 pm
Maybe one of these cat lovers is making a monthly donation, or has donated at least once to the EEVBlog.

Maybe one of these smokers is making a monthly donation, or has donated at least once  to the EEVBlog.

Maybe they are buying on Amazon using the EEVBlog link, maybe they bought the uCurrent or some other stuff and more....
 
Don't care attitude from Dave has to be reviewed.
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: EEVblog on April 23, 2013, 11:08:16 pm
Maybe one of these cat lovers is making a monthly donation, or has donated at least once to the EEVBlog.
Maybe one of these smokers is making a monthly donation, or has donated at least once  to the EEVBlog.
Maybe they are buying on Amazon using the EEVBlog link, maybe they bought the uCurrent or some other stuff and more....
Don't care attitude from Dave has to be reviewed.

No, it doesn't, because that's not how I roll.
If people take offence to off-handed comments I make when I speak my mind, then I don't want their support, nor their views.
When you have a large audience, everything you say and do is going to piss of a least one person.
I'll take my chances and keep my freedom to say whatever I like, thanks.
Because if I can't say whatever I want lest I think it might offend someone, then I don't want to be in the game any more.
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: Len on April 23, 2013, 11:34:56 pm
i kept saying "oh, I hope Sagan doesn't scratch the card's pcb with it or say goodbye to a 2-300$ card".

Me too. I wrecked a computer motherboard that way, and I was way older than Sagan. But he was having so much fun... And now we know that Sagan is definitely a tool-using primate.  :-/O
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: David_AVD on April 24, 2013, 02:33:07 am
I have kids of my own, but do agree that watching someone else's kids for any length of time is not interesting.  I skipped most of that video as I watch them for the technical content mostly.  This is just my opinion of course, but feedback none the less.   :)
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: The_Penguin on April 24, 2013, 03:28:21 am
I would have killed to be in Sagan's position... At his age (perhaps a year or two older), I was similarly fascinated by electronics, and I loved to take stuff apart, but I just didn't have any resources or knowledgeable adults to help me develop further.

Yep, a great opportunity for sure.  Plus all that geeeear! :)
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: dexters_lab on April 24, 2013, 07:52:31 am
Loved the mailbag video Dave, no issues with me seeing Sagan in fact i found it quite entertaining, perfect for the mailbag section.

As for the controversial comments about smokers and religion, i'm a non smoking atheist so i'm  with you on those two points :-+

Keep up the great work!
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: george graves on April 25, 2013, 02:14:38 pm
Maybe one of these cat lovers is making a monthly donation, or has donated at least once to the EEVBlog.
Maybe one of these smokers is making a monthly donation, or has donated at least once  to the EEVBlog.
Maybe they are buying on Amazon using the EEVBlog link, maybe they bought the uCurrent or some other stuff and more....
Don't care attitude from Dave has to be reviewed.

Well.  This is not a cheer-ocracy, Dave is the cheer-tator, and dave will make the cheer-isions around here, and dave will deal with the cheer-onsequences.

But mentions of cats, 9/11 "inside job", and tinfoil hats stuff will get you down voted.

Personally - I could care less what Dave believes in.  Flying saucers took out the WTC?  What ever. It's almost funny.   I'm here for the knowledge.  I knew Dave was a freak from the get go.... :-DD  A really smart freak.
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: bitwelder on April 25, 2013, 06:10:45 pm
I liked the 'special guest' on this video.
Especially, it was fun to watch Sagan's expression (of the kind: :-//)  around 7:25 when daddy showed that a box in the middle of that goodness was empty  :-+
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: Ericho on April 26, 2013, 12:16:40 pm
Hi Dave,

In the last few months I watched all your videos, They are brilliant and Its a privilege to watch them. Many thanks.

There are many positive things to say about this one, #460, but it also triggers a lot of negative emotions, by far the most of all your videos.

-Seeing Sagan standing on a 1m high bench worry's me and gives me a bad feeling.
-The proximity of Sagan's Hand to your knife when you open one of the boxes almost made me mad.

I'm sure many of your viewers who are daddy's like myself will at least partly feel the same.

-The poking with a screw driver on the video card also annoyed me. I related to the soul that send you this and probably loved that card when it was part of his PC. He must have been very disappointed...I now I would be.

Consider it feedback. I hope you do not take this the wrong way.

Further more as to why so many thumbs down ?
A lot of your viewer are smokers, love cats and Gods.
Maybe something to keep in mind when you edit, I see humor in the remarks, many may not.


Kind regards,

Eric


 
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: EEVblog on April 26, 2013, 02:21:12 pm
But mentions of cats, 9/11 "inside job", and tinfoil hats stuff will get you down voted.
Personally - I could care less what Dave believes in.  Flying saucers took out the WTC?  What ever. It's almost funny.   

I don't think 9/11 was an inside job. The US government couldn't piss up a flag pole without screwing it up.
One comment I made on 9/11 once has been blown out of proportion.
What tinfoil hat stuff do I believe in?
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: EEVblog on April 26, 2013, 02:28:09 pm
-Seeing Sagan standing on a 1m high bench worry's me and gives me a bad feeling.

Your problem.
I know what I'm doing. Sagan was in absolutely no danger.

Quote
-The proximity of Sagan's Hand to your knife when you open one of the boxes almost made me mad.

Your problem.
I know what I'm doing. Sagan was in absolutely no danger.

Quote
I'm sure many of your viewers who are daddy's like myself will at least partly feel the same.

Their problem.
I know what I'm doing. Sagan was in absolutely no danger.
Anyone who thinks he was is wrong.

Quote
-The poking with a screw driver on the video card also annoyed me. I related to the soul that send you this and probably loved that card when it was part of his PC. He must have been very disappointed...I now I would be.

There was absolutely no damage to the card, so any people crying over that are just being silly.

Quote
A lot of your viewer are smokers, love cats and Gods.

It had nothing to do with smokers, cats, or imaginary friends. It was the silly computer fanboys.

Quote
Maybe something to keep in mind when you edit, I see humor in the remarks, many may not.

If you were a video blogger you'd understand that everything you do and say will always piss off someone, guaranteed.
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: Ericho on April 26, 2013, 03:38:56 pm
Quote
If you were a video blogger you'd understand that everything you do and say will always piss off someone, guaranteed.

I'm not a blogger, so I apologize for the feedback, Its not my place to comment.


brgds,

Eric
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: Monkeh on April 26, 2013, 03:40:31 pm
Quote
-The proximity of Sagan's Hand to your knife when you open one of the boxes almost made me mad.

Your problem.
I know what I'm doing. Sagan was in absolutely no danger.

B-b-b-but the knife! You can't allow such things! He must live in a padded room until he's 18!

Aaaand back to reality..
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: ahnuts72 on April 26, 2013, 04:13:01 pm
I wasn't gonna post but it's driving me mad all the negative comments.

The people making the negative comments are what's wrong with kids today.

All the don't touch anti-bacteria anti-viral anti-outside treatment is
what's wrong.

When I was young you got a cold there wasn't any trip to the doctor
for anti- biotics(which don't work any way).
You just ride it out.

As a child we went outside and played I've been cut,skinned up,
bit by snakes,spiders, stung by
wasp,bees and I'm fine.

Parents would slap a band-aid on it
and send back out into the wild.
Go back outside and play.


I haven't been sick with anything
but one cold in the last 8 to 10 years.
I attribute that to not being codled as a child.

I was probably 8 when my grandfather fave me my first knife.
Only words I remember hearing where don't cut yourself.

No learning institution will ever be able to compete with experience and time far better teachers.
 






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Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: xrunner on April 26, 2013, 04:51:58 pm
All I know is I'm glad I packed my mystery device well because I saw in the video Sagan stepped right on my box!  :)
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: DavidDLC on April 26, 2013, 05:06:26 pm
-Seeing Sagan standing on a 1m high bench worry's me and gives me a bad feeling.

Your problem.
I know what I'm doing. Sagan was in absolutely no danger.

Quote
-The proximity of Sagan's Hand to your knife when you open one of the boxes almost made me mad.

Your problem.
I know what I'm doing. Sagan was in absolutely no danger.

Quote
I'm sure many of your viewers who are daddy's like myself will at least partly feel the same.

Their problem.
I know what I'm doing. Sagan was in absolutely no danger.
Anyone who thinks he was is wrong.

Quote
-The poking with a screw driver on the video card also annoyed me. I related to the soul that send you this and probably loved that card when it was part of his PC. He must have been very disappointed...I now I would be.

There was absolutely no damage to the card, so any people crying over that are just being silly.

Quote
A lot of your viewer are smokers, love cats and Gods.

It had nothing to do with smokers, cats, or imaginary friends. It was the silly computer fanboys.

Quote
Maybe something to keep in mind when you edit, I see humor in the remarks, many may not.

If you were a video blogger you'd understand that everything you do and say will always piss off someone, guaranteed.

What a bad f*&@#$ing way to answer to somebody's comment, I know is your video, I know is your forum, I know is your stuff. But I still think is the wrong way to confront the situation.

And maybe this will not apply to you nor you care about it, but companies get in trouble because they do not listen to customer or they are arrogant, kind of you are doing here.

David.

Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: SeanB on April 26, 2013, 05:27:53 pm
Daves area, Daves  blog and Daves rules. plus his son, and he is looking out for him. I broke plenty of stuff when young, and played in the river ( bilharzia......) along with playing in the bush, up trees ( and syringias to boot, poisonous as well as incredibly weak) and all over. No broken bones, never got bitten by the black mambas in the bottom of the yard, had dogs, cats, pigeons and other assorted animals. Only broke bones later on.........
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: gxti on April 26, 2013, 06:29:35 pm
There's a name for it, too:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygiene_hypothesis
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: Lightages on April 26, 2013, 06:34:08 pm
Dave is a murdering, careless, negligent, cold hearted, blind, idiotic, uneducated, low IQ, apish moron. Only fish demonstrate less concern for their spawn.  :-DD

From what I saw, Dave is a caring, loving and intelligent person who wants his son to not be afraid of the shadows.

Lighten up people! If you really have that little respect for Dave's intelligence, go away!

Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: Alana on April 26, 2013, 06:49:53 pm
Dave - if you have daddy day care day, please keep pictures to yourself. I agree with those people who see that EEVblog is for technical stuff. Kid is ok, i may have been this way his age but IMO things just do not add up.
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: Excavatoree on April 26, 2013, 07:17:11 pm
Dave - if you have daddy day care day, please keep pictures to yourself. I agree with those people who see that EEVblog is for technical stuff. Kid is ok, i may have been this way his age but IMO things just do not add up.

One of the YouTube commenters expressed the same sentiments.   Dave replied it was a video with Sagan, or none at all.   The commenter replied that he or she would prefer no video.

That doesn't make any sense.   If you don't want to watch, then don't - it will be exactly as if Dave hadn't made it.   Those who don't mind can watch and enjoy.   

Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: ju1ce on April 26, 2013, 07:45:06 pm
I found Sagan distracting in this video, so I stopped watching it and gave it a thumbs down. Easy.
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: ahnuts72 on April 26, 2013, 08:24:04 pm
The commenter replied that he or she would prefer no video.


Which falls into the "If I don't like it no one should see,say or do it.
(Sorry one of my biggest pet peeves.)
To many people have to much control over what other people do in their lives when it doesn't even concern them.


I run heavy equipment for a living.

Many times I've took my daughters with me they loved riding on the bulldozers and excavators.
Safe maybe not to you not your choice mine,if something happened totaly my fault not yours.

I have my opinions and I have no prob voicing them.
Let me show you.
9/11 us gov didn't cause it but they knew about it.
They let it happen so they could start all this homeland security crap.
Start whitleing away at our freedoms.
Religion one of the three
biggest hypocrites on the planet.
Main reason colonist came to the Americas to escape church rule and religious persecution.


NOW WHERE'S MY TINFOIL HAT.


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Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: ddavidebor on April 26, 2013, 08:56:32 pm
this is not the place to discuss about 9/11 and war-based economy or politics of usa.
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: David_AVD on April 26, 2013, 10:03:32 pm
I skipped through the video (looking for the plasma speaker) as the Sagan parts didn't interest me, but didn't give it a thumbs up or down.

Will I watch more of Dave's videos?  Yes, of course.  Will I skip though some of them?  More than likely if the content (Sagan, technical or other) doesn't interest me.  It's pretty simple; if you don't like the content, skip or stop the video.

By the way, I'm sure Sagan was perfectly safe up on the bench and the camera would have been quickly dropped if he was about to come to any harm.   :)
Title: Re: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: ahnuts72 on April 26, 2013, 10:53:39 pm
this is not the place to discuss about 9/11 and war-based economy or politics of usa.
That didn't take long.
You missed my point.
Maybe I used a bad example but
it's all about opinions and everyones need to force theirs on someone else if they aren't the same as yours.

It comes back to if your not living the way I think you should be then its wrong and it needs to be changed.

Everyone needs to grow up and stop trying to control everyone else.

As far as Sagan is concerned I'm glad to see someone trying to include their child in their life.
Not just putting them in daycare,
a playpen or something and forgetting about them till whatever they are doing is done.

Maybe I'm to old to rap my head around not taking responsibility for my own life and letting
someone else tell me how I should live.

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Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: EEVblog on April 26, 2013, 11:52:59 pm
What a bad f*&@#$ing way to answer to somebody's comment, I know is your video, I know is your forum, I know is your stuff. But I still think is the wrong way to confront the situation.

It is a truthful and direct way to answer someone's comment.
The poster was simply wrong, Sagan was in no danger at all, the issue lies entirely with the posters thinking.
I gave as good as I got.
You want to tell me how to raise, protect, and care for my own child? - without being there and knowing the situation first hand. That's the response you'll get.
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: 6502Dude on April 27, 2013, 02:56:00 am

It had nothing to do with smokers, cats, or imaginary friends. It was the silly computer fanboys.


This perception is a bit myopic.  ::)
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: EEVblog on April 27, 2013, 04:24:56 am
This perception is a bit myopic.  ::)

No, it comes from making 500 videos and reading tens of thousands of comments.
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: Corporate666 on April 27, 2013, 04:25:40 am
If we're talking about likes and dislikes in the video, I will throw in my 2-cents. 

I *knew* people were going to complain about the kid having a sharp object in his hands, or banging stuff with the screwdriver, or standing on the packages, etc.  But it's Dave's kid and he can raise him as he likes and I was not going to jump to the same conclusions others were that the kid was in danger.  But as soon as I saw the screwdriver, I knew a lot of whining was coming :)

Regarding kids in videos... I am not a huge fan of children... they are universally 0.00001% as interesting as their parents think they are, so I tried to skip over the kid parts, but they were pretty constant so I ended up skipping much of the video.  Didn't offend me, just wasn't interesting.

The only thing I thought was a bit of a low blow was bashing the smoker guy.  He took the time and spent good money to send those parts... I think after the first comment (after sniffing the letter) it was enough and the subject should be dropped after.  Dave - you seem to have gotten slightly defensive when someone suggested you were making a mistake in how you parent your child.  Of course, anyone would be offended when someone preaches to them about how they should live their life.  But that's precisely what I thought was kind of shitty in this video... nobody wants to hear anti-smoking preaching either and my initial reaction was similar to your reaction when someone told you how to handle your kid :)

I agree that someone will always of offended no matter what you do - and I love the "no BS" attitude of the blog - *as it relates to electronics*.  If a piece of equipment is crap, I like to know that... if a new PIC chip lacks an obvious feature, I want to know.  But if I want to listen to no-BS opinions about health, religion or parenting, I would go elsewhere.  It turns me off on the blog.

(and I say that as someone who is probably infinitely less religious than Dave, and I HATE cats and don't smoke!) :)
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: ninn on April 29, 2013, 03:18:32 pm
Ah, I see controversy in here!

Just wanted to tell you, that this was the only and very fist episode I ever showed to my girlfriend.

There were two reasons for that:
 
First. I wanted to show her, that a child can survive in a lab enviroment without poking its eye out with the very first screwdriver.  :scared: At first, she could not believe that someone would put such a dangerous tool in the hands of a child, but when she saw Segan measuring the parcel on its own she was sold. She saw that under the eyes of a lovecaring parent this can actually work - I am sure she never saw something like that before. Thanks you for calming my girl down, making my future a bit easier!  ^-^


second reason: I was so very impressed with your reaction when Segan wanted to put the screwdriver in the cam - all the time - just like you were doing it:
"Thank you, Segan!"
"Thank you Segan!"
"Thank you segan"


Other parents would have already shouted at their child, "NO!", "NO!", "STOP IT!!" countless times.  :palm:

Your "Thank you" were so very impressive and they show that there are just top quality solderjoints in that relation! :-+


ninn

She liked Segan's Chubby feet btw.
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: mariush on April 29, 2013, 06:47:51 pm
To anyone complaining about Sagan stepping on the packages and whatnot...  the package is thrown into trucks, they get bumped to hell, packages weighing more than Sagan's weight (which is what, 20-30 Kg?) are stacked on top of that package... if Sagan would mess such a large package, there's really something wrong with the packaging.
 
And kid near knife, 1m above the floor... really ?!   What's the worst that can happen, getting a cut? He'll learn knives are sharp and won't do it second time. 

Fall off the desk? At worst case he'll break a hand or a leg, you don't falling from a meter on packages... you learn to live in real world. 
Sagan probably couldn't even move from that spot as the camera tripod and Dave were in front of him, and he had packages around the sides.

Jeesh, such people...

Like i said, the only thing I slightly cringed at was Sagan putting the screwdriver in the cooler... now I know there's plastic there and the card won't get damaged but it still felt a bit bad. You don't care that much when it's a gift but when you pay hundreds of dollars you're more attached to stuff.
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: jancumps on April 29, 2013, 07:14:44 pm
..., making my future a bit easier! .....

Right, dream on ;)
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: Mastro Gippo on May 02, 2013, 08:33:14 am
Ah, I see controversy in here!

Just wanted to tell you, that this was the only and very fist episode I ever showed to my girlfriend.

There were two reasons for that:
 
First. I wanted to show her, that a child can survive in a lab enviroment without poking its eye out with the very first screwdriver.  :scared: At first, she could not believe that someone would put such a dangerous tool in the hands of a child, but when she saw Segan measuring the parcel on its own she was sold. She saw that under the eyes of a lovecaring parent this can actually work - I am sure she never saw something like that before. Thanks you for calming my girl down, making my future a bit easier!  ^-^


second reason: I was so very impressed with your reaction when Segan wanted to put the screwdriver in the cam - all the time - just like you were doing it:
"Thank you, Segan!"
"Thank you Segan!"
"Thank you segan"


Other parents would have already shouted at their child, "NO!", "NO!", "STOP IT!!" countless times.  :palm:

Your "Thank you" were so very impressive and they show that there are just top quality solderjoints in that relation! :-+


ninn

She liked Segan's Chubby feet btw.

I came to this topic to write exactly these words, except that I haven't shown your video to my gf yet. Hopefully she'll get over your "annoying voice" (sorry - I like it) for long enough to let me prove my point. Also, your awesome parenting and the amazing response you get from Sagan makes me really really want to become a dad, but I still don't know if I well be good at it.
I'd love to see Project Sagan progress, please have him star on other videos!! I'd also love to see some videos/posts where you share parenting tips and stories. There should be a wiki for it!  :)
Keep up the good work!
MG
Title: Re: EEVblog #460 - Mailbag - Plasma Speaker
Post by: ddavidebor on May 02, 2013, 09:18:30 pm
god damn, you're making me want to be father.

and i'm 17!