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Re: EEVblog #656 - Auction Score
« Reply #75 on: August 23, 2014, 01:53:56 am »
1. Keep the tear downs coming because I find them usefull comparisons when I design my own things.

But obviously not stuff I buy 2nd hand, right?
Because by your own words:
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It just doesn't look good Dave. I'm sure there were a lot of young players who would have loved not to have been out bid by a guy who gets his equipment for free.
 

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Re: EEVblog #656 - Auction Score
« Reply #76 on: August 23, 2014, 01:59:25 am »
exactly
no one will tell you they think you are disingenuous, you wont hear from them at all.

Again, demonstrably wrong.
I get emails and comments daily, day in day out, 365 days a year about how I'm disingenuous, wrong, an arsehole, shouldn't do this, should do this and that.
Every youtuber does once you reach a certain level.
I even get death threats.

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When I donate I am usually careful. I dont like being taken for a ride. If I suspect a person or organization is using my donation to support their hobby or to start some crazy business I go nuts. Im sure others are the same - at least those who frequently donate.

Quite a few people decide to stop donating because of something I said or did, or didn't do etc, and that's just fine.

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3. I suggest you may be missing out on a world of donations that you arent at all aware of.

Thanks, but no, I'm not, I'm pretty darn sure you are the only one, or one of a very few who think this.

possibly. I have a very sensitive radar I have been told.

just to be clear keep doing what you are doing Im happy with it ad so long as it remains educational Ill continue to support. I just thought its bad PR the way you go about it thats all. I didnt mean to start the schnitstorm I did.
 

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Re: EEVblog #656 - Auction Score
« Reply #77 on: August 23, 2014, 02:06:03 am »
just to be clear keep doing what you are doing Im happy with it ad so long as it remains educational Ill continue to support.

So you now think I was right to bid on this gear? And that I'm not depriving youngsters?
 

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Re: EEVblog #655 - Auction Score
« Reply #78 on: August 23, 2014, 02:25:17 am »
Was there any other spectacular gear on the auction that would have been nice for teardown?
 

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Re: EEVblog #656 - Auction Score
« Reply #79 on: August 23, 2014, 02:33:58 am »
just to be clear keep doing what you are doing Im happy with it ad so long as it remains educational Ill continue to support.

So you now think I was right to bid on this gear? And that I'm not depriving youngsters?

You were right to bid. I would be disappoint if you didn't.  However maybe not right to brag about it. That didn't look good
 

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Re: EEVblog #655 - Auction Score
« Reply #80 on: August 23, 2014, 02:43:10 am »
It did look good.
 

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Re: EEVblog #656 - Auction Score
« Reply #81 on: August 23, 2014, 02:51:34 am »
You were right to bid. I would be disappoint if you didn't.  However maybe not right to brag about it. That didn't look good

Dude, really? "It's okay to do it, you just can't be happy about it."

How does it hurt anyone if he buys stuff, talks about it, brags about it, whatever? That's why things are sold - so they can be bought.

nutso.

that's not nice.

You're right, I'm sorry.
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Re: EEVblog #656 - Auction Score
« Reply #82 on: August 23, 2014, 02:54:24 am »
You were right to bid. I would be disappoint if you didn't.  However maybe not right to brag about it. That didn't look good

Right. So you've gone from saying it's depriving some youngster of gear, to it now being ok. Thanks for clearing that up.
 

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« Reply #83 on: August 23, 2014, 03:36:12 am »
You were right to bid. I would be disappoint if you didn't.  However maybe not right to brag about it. That didn't look good

Right. So you've gone from saying it's depriving some youngster of gear, to it now being ok. Thanks for clearing that up.

That is one reason why it looks bad among other. Here's Smith. ."Good to see David biting so much great.  He can afford it so I don't need to donate"
I just think it looks bad right. Don't agree with me fine but don't put words in my mouth

 

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Re: EEVblog #655 - Auction Score
« Reply #84 on: August 23, 2014, 03:40:46 am »
But they are your words. They come from your keyboard.
 

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Re: EEVblog #655 - Auction Score
« Reply #85 on: August 23, 2014, 03:44:25 am »


This is how i picture you dave while reading this thread lol  :P

on a side note it was actually one of the early auction score videos that made me feel like some of this test equipment is obtainable, Compared to the prices seen on ebay. So keep up the good work and it would be interesting to see what this stuff is worth locally in Australia? I suspect its a fair bit less then in America.
 

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Re: EEVblog #655 - Auction Score
« Reply #86 on: August 23, 2014, 04:07:46 am »
Good on you Dave, hope you got the unit for a reasonable price and make a lot of money selling them on ebay.
We get the benefit of getting to know different types of gear and what they can do.

As for the youngster, who has no clue about auctions and doesn't understand lot pricing I would say, grow up! you are the only one who has a problem with this.
And yes people would say something.
 
 

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Re: EEVblog #656 - Auction Score
« Reply #87 on: August 23, 2014, 04:17:31 am »
"Good to see David biting so much great.  He can afford it so I don't need to donate"
I just think it looks bad right. Don't agree with me fine but don't put words in my mouth

I think and believe most of majority of Dave donators are thinking ... "Good to see he is biting again, so their penny worth of donation will help him to bite "MORE" in the future and hopefully supports him in getting MORE video's materials"  >:D
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Re: EEVblog #655 - Auction Score
« Reply #88 on: August 23, 2014, 04:34:51 am »
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Hey Dave, check these terminals out and see if they are the correct size for your Agilent PSUs' boards. Since Agilent used AMP (Tyco Electronics) fully insulated faston terminals on the wiring for the transformer taps and such, I'd be surprised if they hadn't also used PCB mounted terminals from AMP to bring out +/-/gnd from the board to the front panel too. (Likely the .250 [6.35mm] series)

http://www.te.com/commerce/DocumentDelivery/DDEController?Action=showdoc&DocId=Catalog+Section%7F82004_FASTON_PCB_Tabs_Receptacles%7F0311%7Fpdf%7FEnglish%7FENG_CS_82004_FASTON_PCB_Tabs_Receptacles_0311.pdf

http://www.te.com/commerce/DocumentDelivery/DDEController?Action=srchrtrv&DocNm=82004_FASTON_TERMINALS_-_FULL_CATALOG&DocType=CS&DocLang=EN

It also kinda looks like the front panel cutout might have been designed for up to 6 binding posts (possibly for some optional sense terminals?)

Does the schematic show if those output capacitors are X/Y safety rated? From the board layout, they look like they are film types, and since they connect to the chassis ground, they could possibly be safety rated types. [...and in looking at the video again, I see the same capacitors at the rear jacks are marked "10n Y2", so they are indeed Y2 safety rated] They are probably only there for EMI/RFI purposes though (I remember getting a lecture about a device without these being considered an "intentional radiator"), so if you were going to just keep these PSUs around for the lab, you could probably just omit them... ;)

In looking at the video again, those large white locking wire to board connectors are also AMP/Tyco (specifically their Universal Mate-n-lok in polyamide, which is why they are white instead of semi-translucent nylon) so I guess Agilent used AMP terminals and connectors extensively.

mmm cable porn ;)
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Re: EEVblog #656 - Auction Score
« Reply #89 on: August 23, 2014, 04:35:03 am »
I just think it looks bad right. Don't agree with me fine but don't put words in my mouth

I didn't, you are the one who said this, not me:
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Re: EEVblog #655 - Auction Score
« Reply #90 on: August 23, 2014, 04:37:19 am »
it would be interesting to see what this stuff is worth locally in Australia? I suspect its a fair bit less then in America.

The opposite in fact.
2nd hand test gear is much more expensive here than in the US because of limited availability.
It's very easy to buy gear from the US, pay a huge amount of postage and still re-sell it locally for a good profit.
 

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Re: EEVblog #655 - Auction Score
« Reply #91 on: August 23, 2014, 05:15:17 am »
Think Au is bad try ZA. Here it actually is cheaper to buy from Australia and ship here than pay local prices. I have done that. I also find a lot of eBay sellers will not deliver to here either, so have it shipped half way around the planet then shipped back. Amazing that it takes 4-12 weeks for stuff to get here from China, while for the same stuff to get delivered to the USA is around 4 business days.
 

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« Reply #92 on: August 23, 2014, 05:50:04 am »
Amazing that it takes 4-12 weeks for stuff to get here from China

China (and Hong Kong) used to be amazingly quick to Oz, as little as two days. More than a week and you knew something was wrong.
That was before all the new US imposed postage regulations et.al
Now it's several weeks minimum.
 

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Re: EEVblog #656 - Auction Score
« Reply #93 on: August 23, 2014, 06:01:08 am »
On this forum sure. Because everyone here is already a Dave fan.

Nope. By email, on the blog, on twitter, on youtube, you are the first ever that I can recall who thinks me doing this is a bad look.

exactly
no one will tell you they think you are disingenuous, you wont hear from them at all.

Horseshit. People argue with Dave all the time here, I've probably done it before. I definitely don't agree with everything he ever says or does. I just think you're nutso.

that's not nice.

It may not be nice, but that doesn't make it any less truthful.
 

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Re: EEVblog #656 - Auction Score
« Reply #94 on: August 23, 2014, 07:16:45 am »
I just think it looks bad right. Don't agree with me fine but don't put words in my mouth

I didn't, you are the one who said this, not me:
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It just doesn't look good Dave. I'm sure there were a lot of young players who would have loved not to have been out bid by a guy who gets his equipment for free.


Jesus read my first line "It just doesn't look good Dave....." 
 

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Re: EEVblog #655 - Auction Score
« Reply #95 on: August 23, 2014, 07:22:38 am »

4. Buying and selling gear for a living while accepting donations for your educational video's MAY (does to me) look suspicious IF you are buying 5 power supplies. Because at those quantities it looks like donations are supporting your buying/selling business rather than the actual educational videos.

I don't think you understand how proper equipment auctions work. The 5 PSUs were one lot. They are not interested in selling single items unless they are high value.  They are not interested in even the chance of missers bidding. A live auction will want substantial deposits paid before you can even bid.Items must be paid for by cash or bank transfer on the day. Plus tax and auctioneers fees are added to the hammer price. All in all they are not for the faint hatred. Oh and if the items don't work, that's the buyers problem.
What Dave will do by testing/calabrating/fixing and then eBaying them one at a time, adds back to the community.
 

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Re: EEVblog #656 - Auction Score
« Reply #96 on: August 23, 2014, 07:25:51 am »
On this forum sure. Because everyone here is already a Dave fan.

Nope. By email, on the blog, on twitter, on youtube, you are the first ever that I can recall who thinks me doing this is a bad look.

exactly
no one will tell you they think you are disingenuous, you wont hear from them at all.

Horseshit. People argue with Dave all the time here, I've probably done it before. I definitely don't agree with everything he ever says or does. I just think you're nutso.

that's not nice.

It may not be nice, but that doesn't make it any less truthful.

That's clever, you should start a blog.


 

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Re: EEVblog #655 - Auction Score
« Reply #97 on: August 23, 2014, 07:27:30 am »

4. Buying and selling gear for a living while accepting donations for your educational video's MAY (does to me) look suspicious IF you are buying 5 power supplies. Because at those quantities it looks like donations are supporting your buying/selling business rather than the actual educational videos.

I don't think you understand how proper equipment auctions work. The 5 PSUs were one lot. They are not interested in selling single items unless they are high value.  They are not interested in even the chance of missers bidding. A live auction will want substantial deposits paid before you can even bid.Items must be paid for by cash or bank transfer on the day. Plus tax and auctioneers fees are added to the hammer price. All in all they are not for the faint hatred. Oh and if the items don't work, that's the buyers problem.
What Dave will do by testing/calabrating/fixing and then eBaying them one at a time, adds back to the community.

What has this to do with core argument?
 

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Re: EEVblog #655 - Auction Score
« Reply #98 on: August 23, 2014, 08:04:19 am »
Core is Dave is risking HIS OWN MONEY on this. Auctions are Voetstots, meaning there is no warranty on the stuff, either implied or actual, and no return on them for any reason, as you are deemed to have bought after inspection and accept any defects or non working as part of the deal.

auctioneers do not have either the time, skill or any reason to actually test the stuff they sell. they are in the job of determining a "Fair market price" of the goods on each lot, and the work involved on each lot is pretty much the same irrespective of the actual amount of stuff on the sheet. If they see there is a lot of small lots from a same seller they often will consolidate them into larger bundles, as this both lessens the amount of time spent doing the suction and decreases the commissions paid by the seller. These typically are a per lot cost, with a variable commission on the sale price as well. Thus they will not sell as each, but will bundle till it fills a pallet typically for movable stuff. You might find a pallet of multimeters of assorted types, and this might have a large variety of different levels, but will go as a lot.

Typically if you ask an auctioneer to split out a part from a lot you will pay a lot higher price, often more than the rest of the lot as a whole. When I go to auctions and buy lots, I take the whole lot, and if I was only interested in a single item or two I often will place the rest on the next scheduled auction and get a part of the money back as well.
 

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Re: EEVblog #655 - Auction Score
« Reply #99 on: August 23, 2014, 08:50:52 am »
Dave

Please carry on buying test gear, either on Ebay or at auctions. Why?

1) I am quite sure that test gear which is surplus to requirements ends up sold by you on Ebay, AFTER being checked out and tested. This ensures that the purchaser gets a good item. A good example are the ex-Australian Air Force scopes.

2) We get to see test gear 'in the flesh' that we wouldn't normally see.

3) Teardowns  :)

4) It finances the blog, all those cameras are not cheap.

5) It means that you can split one big lot (such as the power supplies or scopes) into individual items and therefore makes it more affordable for those 'young players'.

6) Because you can! If anyone else wants to travel to the same auction as you and bid on the same items then they're welcome to do so, that's the way the system works and if you don't take part then you don't get the goodies.
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